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Cometary Fireworks Go Off Without Hitch
PingXao writes "The JPL Deep Impact mission has successfully slammed a sattelite into Tempel 1 at 23,000 mph. (37,000 kph). The autonomous navigation system was primed for up to 3 course corrections in the final 2 hours of flight but only had to execute two of them. The second was so small - expending less than a pound of propellant - that impact would have occurred without it. Initially thought to be shaped like a pickle, it came to resemble more of a banana shape as comet Tempel I drew closer. Impact was estimated to have released 19 Gigajoules of energy, or the equivalent of 4.5 tons of TNT."
No stars in the backgrounds? this most obviously be a hoax created by our American Overlords just like the moon landings! Those tricky bastards won't trick ME again!
... what did the explosion sound like.
Seems like NASA has missed the chance to answer this profound question raised by Sci-Fi enthusiast by not putting a microphone onboard the flyby probe.
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1 tonne of TNT = 4.184 x 10^9 joule = 4.184 Gigajoules/tonne
:-)
19/4.184 ~ 4.5 tonnes TNT
TNT has a lot of energy
NASA headshots Tempel 1 >(x.x)-
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Bruce Willis declined to comment on his upcoming engagement, however insider sources were heard to say that he was looking forward to having a 'smashing time'.
With all that outgassing, you would think a comet's surface would be a lot more sharp -- full of crevasses and ridges (like it was on Deep Impact) But this one seemed almost smooth, like an asteroid. I wonder if this will change the theory of how comets are constructed?
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> If the internal makeup of this comet does represent the compounds present at the start of the solar system, there could be some serious head scratching and changing of theories going on if amino acids are found, let alone any more complex organic compounds like RNA/DNA, however unlikely.
We already know that amino acids are present in deep space. Slightly more complex molecules too, IIRC.
Of course, that just means they're relatively easy to form by non-biological processes, so it doesn't necessarily follow that they originated on earth by falling from space.
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This is quite likely the finest result Nasa has had for a long time. To quote a professor who was quite surprised by the event :
"It was like mosquito hitting a 747. What we've found is that the mosquito didn't splat on the surface, it's actually gone through the windscreen."
The photos too, are quite amazing. A huge amount of stellar dust, ice, and rock exploded out of Tempel 1's surface. All from the impact of a probe just the size of a washing machine.
Over the following few days, the second module of the mission will further analyse the materials ejected from the comet, and it is believed scientists will discover much about the creation of the universe (some of the material hasn't been disturbed in over 4 billion years) and the composition of comets in general over the next few months as they complete their analysis of this great event.
I wonder if it will be friends with me?
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Or the equivalent of a Supersized meal from McDonalds...
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This is a gif animation of the impact as observed from the Lowell Observatory.
Where was the loud, comet shattering kaboom? I'll tell you what, Mars will not be happy when they hear this, or that they didn't hear this.
Oh Well. Guess next time I will have to use an Illudium-Q-36 Space Modulator.
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btw: The pictures are just breathtaking... on them it really looks like 4.5kt (which is a testemony of the amazing light collection power of current telescopes and quantum efficiency of CCD arrays)
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the apparent 'explosion' visible in the images is due to sunlight illuminating the plume of dust produced by the impact. Comet nuclei are pretty dark, so I suppose the exposure times were probably cranked right up to see anything of the nucleus itself.
This is all guesswork, of course, but I remember a similar explanation of the 'explosions' visible when the Shoemaker Levy 9 comet fragments hit Jupiter. Mankind has kind of built our own tiny version of that!
Of course, the above could all be utterly incorrect...
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Did someone think this wouldn't work?
NASA have proven quite adept at smashing space craft into various celestial bodies.
Oh hang on...maybe they weren't suppose to do that!
A Russian astrologist who says NASA has altered her horoscope by crashing a spacecraft into a comet is suing the U.S. space agency for damages of $300 million.6 93.htm
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1406
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/07/04/deep
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It's not the explosion that detects the presence of organic compounds but the observations you can make about the generated blast debris. Either mid or infra-red spectroscopy or radio emissions reveal what compounds are present by their signatures.
Think CSI in space :-)
Sir Bedevere: ...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.
King Arthur: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
(Okay! I know it is not about the Earth, but anyway...)
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"Washing machine sized", they say. I'm lost, help me out here. That must be a tecchie unit of measurement that is only used internally by NASA or something. Can someone put that in terms of "Volkswagens" or "Libraries of Congress" for me?
Maybe the Unix "units" program will do it for me.
Let's see:
$ units
1989 units, 71 prefixes, 32 nonlinear units
You have: washingmachine
You want: volkswagen
* 0.25
/ 4
You have: washingmachine
You want: librariesofcongress
* 0.0001
/ 10000
Ah, now I can visual it.
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Is this the day the comet people, after an uprovoked robotic suicide bombing, begin their war on the people of earth? After all, the freedom of the Oort cloud is at stake.
Tempel: 1
Impactor: 0
http://edition.cnn.com/ International headline: 'NASA probe collides with comet'
So CNN has an official policy of only providing cheesy headlines to Americans? That's a policy I can live with though.
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There's a handy tool for doing that kind of calculations, called 'units'.
A marsbar (65g) has about 294 kilocalories (source: http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calo rie_counter/chocolate_sweets.htm)
So, we edit /usr/share/misc/units.dat (may wary depending on distro) to add the line:
marsbar 294 kilocalorieWe then launch units:
%units2085 units, 71 prefixes, 32 nonlinear units
You have: 19 gigajoules
You want: marsbars
* 15435.619
/ 6.4785221e-05
You have:
So apparently, 19 gigajoules of energy equals ~15436 mars bars.
until we send manned probes crashing into comets.
1 Kcal = 4186 J
1 Snickers contains 280 Kcal = 1172080 J = 0.00117208 GJ
19 / 0.00117208 ~ 16210.5 Snickers
So the amount of energy released is the equivalent of about 16.2 Megasnickers.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
Just think of it as a rapidly-decaying orbit...
Seems the electrical universe people haven't had time to update their website about their prediction about the results. IIRC, they were saying that the results would be much less spectacular than predicted, and yet a few hours ago I heard some of the NASA people expressing surprise because the impact released a lot more material than most of them expected. The electric universe proponents also seemed to think that the impactor electrical systems would fail before it reached the comet (because of "megalightning" and all that), while they seem to have have lasted right up until the impact.
So....will they do the right thing and modify their theory to fit the observations, or will we be treated to a lot of hand-wringing about how the theory actually predicted this result (but us non-electrodynamical people just don't understand the theory and its implications)?
And will /. post a follow-up article about the electric universe proponents' reaction to the results, or is that not news for nerds?
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You mean the Rosetta mission?
Currently en route to a close rendezvous with comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko, to be followed by releasing a lander (which will use a harpoon to cling to the surface). It was in a position to make distant observations of comet Tempel for the current fireworks show.
It won't do what you describe but will instead take a roundabout route that will allow it to basically sneak up on the comet.
Oh, and it's European, not American :-)
No, really: Tunguska, June 30th 1908. :)
I took a look at that website and I can see that they're a bunch of loons. It surprises me when I read websites made by someone who obviously has a good grasp on math and science, but apparently little to no grasp on reality. I find it strange that people can turn out that way.
What's the name of that condition? They can accurately calculate the energy released when they open a bottle of soda, but when they can't find a belonging of theirs, the notion that a space alien came by and collected it for testing seems just as plausible to them as the possibility that they just misplaced it. No grasp on reality.
You are absolutely wrong. Gasses are fluids. Fluid is a term used to describe both gasses and liquids. Surface tension is unique to liquids. It has nothing to do with being a fluid.
Definition:
fluid
n.
A continuous, amorphous substance whose molecules move freely past one another and that has the tendency to assume the shape of its container; a liquid or gas.
Random and weird software I've written.
Next time would be better if:
You obviously don't know what's going on. First of all, most of the data has not been received yet. Its still being transmitted to NASA from the probe. Right now we're only getting low res pictures because that's all that's been sent. The priority right now is data gathering, not data transmittal.
Second, automated image enhancement is pointless. As an amateur photographer, I know that each picture needs to be optimized manually, and using automatic settings often works, but not always. You'll get good pictures, but not 12 hours after impact. Plus I'm sure much of what they received wasn't good anyway and had to be thrown out.
Third, you obviously don't know the complexity of these projects. Most of the public doesn't really care about the low resolution pictures - they'll see the high res pictures when they're broadcast by the media. Which means that there's no point for NASA to deal with the 0.1% of the public who think they deserve to get access to those pictures.
Fourth, I'm really rather insulted by your pompous attitude regarding the people at NASA. No, I don't work at NASA. Nor can I call myself a scientist yet. But I'm an undergraduate physics major and so far my plans are to go on to grad school. Right now I'm spending the summer at the biggest NSF-funded project (not hard to figure out which one it is) and I will tell you that the people who run the project are brilliant and have no time to deal with whiners like you. If you really wanted to work on these kinds of missions, why didn't you dedicate your life to science instead of just whining about how you don't have access to all the data. Because I doubt you can figure out much from the data, and I find your arrogance to be purely insulting.
Think about it from the frame of reference of the sun. The earth is orbiting the earth. Now this little copper thing the size of an oil barrel (the impactor) and the satellite leave earth orbit **just barely** by increasing its velocity beyond the velocity of the earth. That is, escaping earth's gravitational well. From the point of view of the sun, the impactor and satellite are still orbiting it. It doesnt matter if it did complete an orbit. Unimpeded it would have.
... ask a real rocket scientist or astrophysicist. That's the problem with you whipersnappers nowadays... ;)
Second point of view: the velocity of the impactor was less than the escape velocity required to escape orbit from the sun. Therefore it had to be orbiting the sun.
Not to mention, astrophysicists and rocket scientists will routinely refer to hyperbolic orbits as orbits, even though they will never complete a revolution. In fact, at infinite time they will approach 180 degrees. But it is perfectly acceptable to consider this an orbit. (consult Brown, "Elements of Spacecraft Design" or any orbital mechanics text)
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