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China Signs Anti-Spam Pact
Iphtashu Fitz writes "The Chinese government has joined an international anti-spam effort started by the U.S. and UK. Over the weekend China stated that it would join international enforcement efforts against spam by adopting the London Action Plan on Spam Enforcement Collaboration. The London Action Plan was launched after a conference on spam enforcement hosted jointly by the UK Office of Fair Trading and the US Federal Trade Commission in London in October 2004. It was the first international forum to focus exclusively on spam enforcement. China is well known for being one of the biggest origins of spam, with as much as 20% of all junk e-mail originating from within its borders."
China is a very distant 4th place when it comes to spam. You want to know who leads the world in spam output; its the wealthy EU countries followed very closely by Japan-Korea and the US. I don't know where that 20% for china comes from. From a study done in March of 2005:
1) Europe(*) 24.70
2) Japan-Korea 24.24
3) US 22.80
4) Greater China(**) 14.45
(*) European Union countries: 21.85%; Top spam-distributors: French, Spain, Germany, UK
** Including: China, Taiwan, Hong Kong.
source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/email/article
Of course, I also see numbers like this from a slightly older article:
"Sophos, Inc., an anti-virus and anti-spam company based in Lynnfield, Mass., reports that the U.S. -- sending out 42.53 percent of all spam -- sits far atop its list of the world's Top 12 Spam-Producing Countries."
So, just depends on who you ask on how it breaks down, however, either way, it isn't China.
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Just think, SpamAssassin on a cluster of Crays.
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China is being really smart. This is not just a move to demonstrate they are against spam or limit liability; I think it's to show that they can be a lovable government. Would Mao care about spammers? China appears to be taking a page from Canada in how to be a liked country. They are ratifying a London anti-spam accord and that to me spells maybe some change in their normally opressive attitudes? How long before China starts ratifying UN human rights accords and the like? It could not be soon enough and this is a sign that they are moving in the right direction. I applaud this and only hope that it is as good as it looks. Please, China, keep progressing towards a free society. (and I could say as much for the USA, too)
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This is going to be a hard one as most spam coming from China is either from sold botnets or router international traffic. The purpose of this Act is to increase cooperation between countries to share information but this isn't going to help much with China.
In Communist China, computers spam you...
China can stop spam much more easily because the state has control over the internet... Sort of like how my parents used to have more control over me when I lived with them (what are these Kmart Brassiere Catalogs doing under your mattress) than they do now, when I live with my grandmother.
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It seems to me that a tremendous amount of SPAM comes from Florida, USA! So, when will the US decide to sign a similar pact to deal with it?
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
In related news, China will continue to be the world's leading supplier of hacked DVDs and CDS, they're just promising not to pester you about buying them.
Screensavers as Corporate Message Boards?
China is well known for being one of the biggest origins of spam, with as much as 20% of all junk e-mail originating from within its borders.
But what about the so called "bullet proof" hosting that you can get in China? A lot of the Viagra spammers have their ordering site in China and no number of complaints filed make any difference. I think that might be a bigger issue than spam originating *from* China.
I hope China takes this more seriously than they have taken their commitments to prevent piracy in the past.
I maen seriously, the US is in on it, but what are they doing to that lamer who makes a living by running spamming servers? I mean, isn't that considered a "spam zombie"?
BTW, when will Nigeria join the anti-spam ring? I mean honestly, with the bajillion dollars that each citizen has over there that they are dying to get off their country, it's a surprise they don't agree to have better computer protection worldwide.
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I'm assuming your friend's school has no Chinese students that would never need to keep in touch with family and friends back home? If I tried that at my workplace I'd be keelhauled (on a junk, but keelhauled nonetheless)
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I just had this weird idea and I can't imagine that it's a "new" idea by any means, but I would be curious as to why people think it wouldn't work:
Make commercial emailing legal, but tax and regulate the hell out of it. Make rules that make it easy to block them where they are unwanted and all that... nothing new there (CAN-SPAM) but taxing it will give added muscle to encorcement since almost anything they do to skirt regulations might be twisted or spun into some form of tax evasion or another. (We know that while spam emails often come from other countries, the actual source and instigator is most likely somewhere in the U.S.)
So just tax it and put'm in jail for tax evasion and be done with it.
Now that is cool. At least there we can hope for the death penalty for spammers. Go on, admit it - YOU want to wring their filthy necks every time your mailbox fills up. China will DO it, instead of the PC slap on the wrist the US/UK/Euro courts impose.
LAPSEC? Damn, that came one letter away from making an acronym where I could really get behind this plan.
At least in China, it might be possible for spammers to get the death penalty.
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I have an easy solution, provided by a friend of mine at a major local university -- Block ALL mail from China.
I work at a university and about 1/3 of my email is between people in China. So, how is this solution supposed to work? Perhaps we need a better solution: Block all email from Earth!
The previous comment is purposely vague and generalized, but all of the facts are completely true.
Let's find better technological solutions to spam control, and less government-based solutions.
After all, government never get it quite right. Moreover, there is the enforcement issue. It's just not workable. Anyone can purchase a web server in any other country other than the one they live in, so enforcement becomes a joke at best, or worse becomes so draconian that it will hurt hammers as well as spammers (or may not hurt spammers at all, since they can skate the loopholes in the system).
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Spam could potentially provide China's citizens with additional knowledge the government doesn't want them to know about.
It also cuts down on the amount of bulk China has to process to know what's happening with "its" internet. If China doesn't have to contend with spam, it can devote more resources to scanning their citizens software for disent.
Hey, I just thought of something: Maybe spam isn't a malicious, egregious and unsolicited marketing technique after all! Maybe it's just those countries trying to clog the internet filters with junk so they can disguise their normal communications. Spam is freeeeedom! If you try to squash spam, you're just one of them!
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Mod this as troll, mod it as flamebait. Apply Godwin's law (which is nothing but a dodge anyway...).
Then read about how Hitler signed a treaty with Joe Stalin saying the Germans wouldn't attack.
SKEM ( /usr/ports/mail/milter-skem on FreeBSD) will not eliminate spam, but it will throttle the volume of it arriving from rogue servers and hi-jacked PCs, while the worst effect of a false-positive is delayed (rather than rejected) legitimate e-mail.
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Needless to say, spam is one big outside influence! Most spammers are from the US, right?
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The US is already in on the pact, along with the EU. But the plan doesn't say "Do not spam"; it's the beginning of a process for fighting spam.
Yeah, you know spam when you see it, but it's a little harder when you tell a country to filter every outgoing email. What's required is a lot more complex: a mechanism for coordinating, tracking, and aggregating complaints; for tracking down offenders across countries without violating sovereignty; resolving problems with private individuals in foreign countries.
Just defining "spam" is incredibly hard; look at the way the US government botched it. They called it "unsolicited commercial email", which is wrong. Not all spam is commercial, and not all unsolicited commercial email is necessarily spam.
This is just the beginning and it's going to be a long time before this yields any actual spam reduction.
the brutality of their human rights situation. While American spammers get off easy with a mere 9 years of taxpayer-subsidized television and weightlifting, we can expect Chinese spammers to receive the torture and hard labor they so richly deserve...
And how many extrajudicial executions still happen in China? How about the laogai? Buy something at Wal-Mart lately? Well it could have been made with slave^H^H^H^H^Hprison labor. Tibet, the Uhigurs in Western China, the censorship of the internet, their bellicosity toward Taiwan, aborting babies because they're girls and more. Oh and they pretty much let their hackers take pot shots at the US' infrastructure with maybe a slap on the wrist.
The US, EU and Japan aren't perfect, but they are a lot better than China. For my money, I blame it on the "middle kingdom complex." Let's be realistic, China doesn't even really pretend to care about any law other than what it creates, and even that is flimsy as there are numerous loopholes for the state to get out of trouble with. China isn't going to really do anything to stop spammers unless it means they might not get the 2008 olympics or they might lose their MFN status in the US and neither of those will happen over spam.
Move on kids, this is just another feel good thing by the politicians. Nothing to see here that you couldn't see on C-Span.
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There's no indication on the spammer forums of any fears about China-based hosting yet.
So, thus far, any crackdown is vaporware.
Damn me and my double negatives. I'll never never do that again.
I'm assuming your friend's school has no Chinese students that would never need to keep in touch with family and friends back home?
That's what whitelists are for.
...when they shoot some in the back of the head and bill the family for the bullet.
And I won't shed any tears. If they're going to be a murderous dictatorship, they could at least kill some people who deserve it. (No, I'm not defending dictatorships, I just hate spammers.)
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London Action Plan Designating Allowable Non-Commercial Email?
Your post advocates a
( ) technical (x) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
(x) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
(x) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
(x) Jurisdictional problems
(x) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
(x) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
(x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
(x) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(x) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
(x) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(x) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
(x) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
Even Spam is made in China! Is there anything that they don't make? Will they put those little gold stickers on spam?
This is even funnier than "China has software patents".
this will only block 20% of all spam
a more effective way is to BLOCK ALL EMAILS
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Gotta add wings to the spam piggie for this article.
Castro also agreed to the anti-spam pact. They now will no longer send spam (except those about Havana Club liquor and last-minute travels jokes!!!)
I actually do this. I don't know anyone in China, Korea, Nigeria, Russia or several other countries so I just block all email from them via blackholes.us. I see a ton of attempted spam connections getting dropped from this and it definitely made a big difference in the amount of spam processed. Of course I also use various other RBLs to block a lot of the spam from elsewhere.
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China has one ISP effectively, the government runs it all. So in that light it can be seen as the single biggest spam ISP. Now previously they just blew off e-mails reporting spam hosts. Now, hopefully they'll start doign something about it.
So it could make a major impact, at least so long as they maintain state control over the Internet in their country.
Seriously, I haven't had a single spam get through my SpamBayes filter in months, and I rarely get any of my valid mail dumped in "unsure". I see no reason why anyone with a modicum of technical nous should even be caring about spam, unless they are paying for metered bandwidth.
I'll tell you why they're doing this. It's not just because almost all Chinese IP space is now RBL'd, it's because many ISPs like mine have gone beyond this and simply filtered all Chinese IP traffic of all types from ever hitting our servers. It's not just about spam. Chinese IP space is also responsible for the lion's share of system probes and DoS activity. I got tired of seeing 5000 connection attempts so we've just wholesale blocked their entire IP space at the router level -- it's not like there's any legitimate TCP activity coming from that space that any of my clients care about.
Until these countries can regulate the illegal activity of their systems, they don't deserve to have unfettered access to the Internet IMO... not when the abuse-to-legitimate traffic ratio is 1000000 to 1.
but it seems people like the piracy news from china, and this anti-piracy news about china never becomes headlines. link here
"a major local university"
Only in America!
According to Spamhaus, whom I completely agree with based on my own experience, 80% of all known spam originates from no more than 200 "spam gangs", most of whom are in the United States. If China cooperates by providing U.S. Authorities with the missing logs to track the illegal activities of these groups so that law enforcement can prosecute them, that will be a good thing. But it still comes down to law enforcement going after the spammers, which is something that's not being done. If just a few of these 200 spam gangs were criminally prosecuted, we'd probably see spam levels drop dramatically. So everyone should contact their District Attorney and demand that they pursue and prosecute these cases.
And then you have big corporations that are deliberately sabotaging anti-spam efforts. AT&T for example is hacking their nameservers to be authoritative for anti-spam RBLs so their users are unable to filter mail based on these services. That's unconscionable, and reason # 87,343 why you shouldn't do business with a provider like AT&T who is not only being ambivalent about spam, but actively interfering with their customers' own attempts to find superior solutions.
You can do even better and protect yourself from all other attack vectors from China, like cracking, dictionary attacks, not just spam. All you need to do is to help China with their "Great Firewall of China" project, by firewalling them on your side. This will do the trick on *nix machines with iptables:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables save
# wget -N http://blackholes.us/zones/country/china.txt
# iptables -N CHINAWALL
# for CHINARANGE in `cat china.txt | awk '{print $2}'`; do iptables -A CHINAWALL -s $CHINARANGE -p TCP --syn -j DROP; iptables -A CHINAWALL -s $CHINARANGE -p UDP ! --sport 53 -j DROP; done
# iptables -A CHINAWALL -j RETURN
# iptables -I INPUT -j CHINAWALL
#
You still can initiate connections if you want to deal with China-hosted spam (like WHOISing, sending complaints), but no connections from that side will be allowed, at all. Will reduce your mailserver and security logs a great deal, too.
might as well block all html messages as well since spammers are embedding hidden messages within tables and other misc html stuff to get through spam filters.
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Block ALL mail from China.
This is very good advice, but I got a better one, block all mail. That way you won't get any spam at all.
And if you think my idea is stupid, look into the mirror first.
200 of them are spam. 30 are mailing lists, either digests or individual messages. 10 are press-releases (I'm a journalist.)
That leaves 10 "normal" mails a day.
Yes, I have SpamBayes for Outlook, which works great. Opera's M2 has a spam filter that works great too. Other desktop clients has various spam filters that work with varying degrees of success (glares at Thunderbird).
That's all fine and dandy until I'm on the road and want to get my email, and then BAM, I've got 250 messages to download to my wireless-enabled palm pilot over a CDMA connection for every 24 hour period. Needless to say, that's totally useless.
Ultimately, I ran (run?) my own mailserver. Blacklists filter out 80% of the spam, for better or worse (but almost always for the better). Bayesien routines get the other 20%. Keyword-based filters send list-messages and press releases to a different mailbox. What remains is just 15 messages a day, which is just fine for slow wireless Palm Pilot access.
I don't expect people to have to run their own mail servers in order to have useful wireless email access, but as wireless access becomes more common, killing spam at the ROOT of the problem becomes more important.
Who knows how effective this will be, but I suspect that politicians are starting to get hip to this subject because THEIR wireless devices are becomming useless due to spam...
I'm sending the Chinese government all the Chinese language spam I've been getting. I don't read Chinese, and I'll leave it to them to find the people who sent it to me.
I'm also sending a note to Vladimir about all of the Russian spam I've been getting. I do read Russian, and it's pissing me off.
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just for your information, people in china can easiely recognize whether a product is made by prisioners since such products are usually branded as "XinSheng" which means "re-born". those kinds of products are very rare in the market now. years ago, about more than ten years ago, my mom boght a soap which is made by prisoners. before i left china five years ago, you can rarely find such products in the market and it is mainly because those products are very low-quality and nobody likes it. that is true the prisoners need to work to support themselves, but they just work on low-quality soap or gloves. nothing you buy from wal-mart is possibbly made by chinese prisoners. as a matter of fact, prisoners now usually work on local city construction projects, such as dig a hole, fix the road, etc., not your wal-mart products. aborting babies is another famous rumor about china. it happens (not very common) maybe ten years ago. but now, for most families, baby girls are equally popular as baby boys. recently, there are some by-laws established in some cities which say aborting is not allowed if the woman is pregananet for more than four months, no matter for what reasons.
I don't know why, but Gmail seem to be completely useless at filtering japanese spam. I don't know how many times I've told it "YES, this is spam!" and it keeps sending me. I'm sure a major part of the Gmail user base is doing the same. I rarely get English spam in my inbox nowadays, and it's very accurate there, but with japanese spam being such a common problem I can't see why Google isn't doing something about it. It's almost as if their spam filter don't even support unicode so it just let all those mails pass unchecked. :-p
So then I tried to just block *.jp, but Gmail doesn't support blocking by the hidden "Received" header the mail server set, where I could clearly see it came from Japan, despite the "From" field OF COURSE being faked.
Gmail is a great service, but it sure isn't perfect, and blocking on custom mail headers doesn't seem like a too hard work for their developers either, as all the headers are stored like regular text in the mails anyway.
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Gotta disagree with you there, my friend. A former employer (why I'm posting anonymously) is still importing guitar bags (guitar soft cases)that are made in a fine prison factory down Guangzhou way. They're not the hardest things in the world to make, but if they can do those, they can do luggage, etc.
I'm willing to bet that there's at least one product in Wal-Mart right now that was made by prisoners. At leat one and probably more. Frnakly, it doesn't bother me too much...the poor bastards gotta do something, right?
but unless they force their ISPs to actually do something about complaints, other than redirect them to /dev/null, nothing is going to happen
the issue is not the source of the spams (usually zombies), but the spammers sites hosted in china that need to be nuked. Kill the sites, and the spammers are fscked
not done a hoster check on my domain block list in a while, but last time, about 70% where hosted in mainland china, with the rest spread over eastern europe and asia
don't know about anyone else, but the whole of china stays blocked until the spam stops
Why would anyone enforce spam?
You want to know who leads the world in spam output; its the wealthy EU countries ....
Both the USA and the EU have approximately the same number of internet users (US 200 million vs. EU 215 million as of March 2005) and their share of the total spam generation rate (US 22.8% vs. EU 24.7%) roughly roughly corresponds to those numbers. This is not surprising since alot of the spam generators are zombie Windows boxen owned and operated by people with a very limited computer knowledge. It seems to me that all we can conclude from these statistics is that the level of 'computer-cluelessness' among the general public is about the same on both sides of the pond. Even so, I care fairly little about where the actual Spam Servers/Zombie PCs churning out the crap mail are located. What would be more interesting is a statistical analysis of where the people owning or controlling all these spam servers and zombies are located? Which countries are failing to deal with the spam companies causing the problem? Take a look at the top ten list at the bottom of this page the USA claims no less than six of the top ten ROKSO spammers I don't see a single spam king from an EU country on that list.
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Right, so by that logic, China's "brutal" human rights record is actually justified. DIE SPAMMERS DIE. :-P
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The US is also a signatory to the international anti-torture laws, and the Geneva Conventions. The US has enacted its own national laws to put that treaty into effect. Yet the US tortures prisoners and violates the Geneva Conventions. Countries sign treaties to get diplomats off their backs. Then they abide by those treaties when it suits them.
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Here is my China-Korea spam-blocking script: #!/bin/sh #firewall for china and korea, port 25. #http://www.okean.com/iptables/rc.firewall.sinokor ea #send comments, corrections, and additions to: submit@okean.com #last updated 2005.06.05 1054 PDT (UTC -7) iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.14.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.16.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.20.0.0/16 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.22.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.24.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.30.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.32.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.40.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.42.0.0/16 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.44.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.48.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.65.64.0/18 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.66.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.72.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.82.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.87.64.0/18 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.102.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.116.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.120.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.128.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.140.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.144.0.0/16 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.145.0.0/17 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.148.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.192.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.200.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 58.240.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.0.0.0/11 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.32.0.0/12 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.48.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.52.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.56.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.64.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.72.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.77.0.0/16 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.78.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.80.0.0/14 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.107.0.0/17 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.108.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.150.0.0/16 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.151.0.0/17 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.186.0.0/15 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.191.0.0/17 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 59.192.0.0/10 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 60.0.0.0/13 --destination-port 25 -j DROP iptables -
The Great Firewall of China has a lot of hype about preventing Chinese people from receiving politically incorrect information, but as far as I can tell, it puts entirely no effort into policing English-language spammer sites, machines infected with viruses, consumer-broadband zombies, or anything like that. It's possible that they police English-language pr0n in China, and probable that they police English-Language Falun Gong sites, but they certainly don't have a problem with mortgage spammers, medicine spammers, or other scams that are directed toward outside barbarians.
Sending complaint email to abuse@ at the major Chinese ISPs has no discernable effect. If this new agreement includes a spam-complaint email address, cool, I'll be happy to Cc: them.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
But the scalability problems are much different when you're a government bureaucracy looking for politically incorrect material to censor, when the people who want to make it available are trying to hide it from you, than when hundreds of millions of people are forwarding complaints to you about messages they've received. You're outsourcing the detection problem to people willing to do it for free. Even if you just do a crude filtering process to require N complaints from N different IP addresses before you respond to a complaint, to keep your signal-to-noise ratio down, it's easy to find the big offenders.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
You can also use this to help reduce spam sent from China to your Chinese students - if somebody who doesn't want mail from China receives mail from a given Chinese IP address, greylist that address for everybody and/or direct mail from it to your Spamassassin server instead of your regular mail server.
Besides, with China, the big problem isn't email that they send - it's web sites that get used for responses. It's much harder to filter through email message bodies looking for websites, resolving any obfuscation and DNS queries, and then deciding if they're in China before you deliver it to the user. It's much more scalable if the user's PC does that themselves, though you can still provide the country lists.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Yes, the Mounties don't massacre large bunches of students in big city squares, not that they're especially friendly to large anti-government protests. But the relationships with the First Nations have not always been good - you may remember the standoff in 1990 in Oka between the Akwesasne Mohawks and the various Canadian army, etc. forces.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Well. After that little spat a couple of hundred years ago, it looks like they've kissed and made up. I can hear the head board banging against the wall now. I wonder who's on top. Turns out it was a match made in heaven. Independance indeed.
I'm the Nigerian Ministry of Telecommunications liason to the London Anti-Spam agreement. You can send me email about any specific problems and I'll be glad to have the authorities intercept any corrupt email users and confiscate their equipment. There's a small fee for registering yourself as an agent for serving processes in Nigeria, and while we accept standard credit cards, we need supplemental processing information including your Social Insurance Number and a bank account number.
China is well known for being one of the biggest origins of spam
I don't know about anybody else, but 99% of the spam I get (and I average one every four minutes) is in English, with prices in US dollars.
China may be relaying the spam, but almost all of it ORIGINATES in America, and is funded by Americans buying from the spammers.
We had a university try that on us once (I work for a technology incubator in Japan). We were going to pay one of their professors a sum in the low five figures (USD) to come out here and give a conference. He never got the invitation due to spam filtering. I wasn't in the room when that prof chewed out his IT department, obviously, but I was in the room when our boss chewed out him on the telephone for trying to justify the policy (direct quote: "Japan is not #$#$$&$%# China, dickwad" -- my boss studied at Harvard and apparently majored in Intercultural Cursing, because I've seen him do it in four languages now).
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
why a news of spamer can let you talk so much politics . slasdot is a technical site ,not a political brainwashing site.
chinese goverment may be sometimes evil,but even in china there are rules,laws,moral,human rights,all goodes not differ from US, EU and Japan.china is not hell.
...lameness filter THAT!
Before you mod me funny, think, perhaps I was insightfully funny?
This is a generalization of how I recieve my own mails. I have a script set up that polls POP3, filters through SpamBayes and then into Courier maildrop with a .mailfiler file to sort them into maildirs. These are them made locally available to any mail client via Courier IMAP. They're remotely available too. For all it sounds complicated it's really just 2 programs (Courier and SpamBayes) and 5 minutes of perl mucking about with POP3.
An arrangement like that could be set up on a rented box (you don't need to pay extra to run your own SMTP server) rather than locally as I have it, and it would let a wireless user browse mails efficiently.
Activation Machine...
Imagine if China clones spam. It could send it as popups to all the people inside China. Maybe they might want to edit the incoming spam (keep the party censors at work) and change the spam to say what China wants. It could make it look like the spam comes from Amelika.
Be good
Be honest
Love your government
Be wary of certain words...
do you notice the first post?most spam do not come from china, and even most illegal activity of systems do not happen only in china , why you dont filter all IP space all theses illegal happened? some numbers you should know :china has 52.99 million PCs,is third of the world.There are over 100 millon internet users in china.what you have done make these people isolated from your world.maybe you think them not important,but what you have done is unfair to them
China is fighting spam? Do they even get spam?
I obviously don't get out much, does anyone else in the world except the United States get spam? Does spam even come in non-English flavors?
Everyone talks about where spam comes from, does that mean we all kinda agree on where it's going? Maybe a little splashes up on some European shores, but China?
Who sends spam to China? What are they advertising? Do they really get spam?
Direct away from face when opening.
Does your car not have license plates? Prisons in my country often do laundry service for-profit. How is this any different?
their bellicosity toward Taiwan
Any superpower would regard a self-proclaimed "independent" sub-state in the same way. Did you miss they day in school they talked about why July 4th is popular in America?
aborting babies because they're girls and more
We have "designer babies", where the parents are choosing the genes, not just the sex!! And if any of the eggs turn out to be the wrong sex, they will not be selected for insamination. No different.
The aborting girls thing is mostly an racist urban myth. Apparently they eat babies over there.
they pretty much let their hackers take pot shots at the US' infrastructure with maybe a slap on the wrist
Gimmie ONE case of a US citizen being punished for hacking into an enemy superpower's infrastructure. Fuck, they'd get offered a job in NSA instantly!
The US, EU and Japan aren't perfect, but they are a lot better than China.
Agreed. However, China isn't as bad as it's made out to be by all the propaganda, and many of the people we call allies, e.g. Saudi Arabia are FAR worse than they are. How "good" country is in another countries eyes has nothing to do with idealism and everything to do with interoperability. If you are a dictator that's open to business, then great! If you are democratically elected and opposed to business, a coup will be along any time now...
This is about as good as a Nerf vibrator...
"Wrecked'um? Damn near killed him!" - Men in Black II
In other words, it's a country with a big enough military to defend itself and a vibrant enough economy to risk pissing some of its partners off. Every country that has the power to do so follows that path at some point. China and the US are the current obvious examples but you don't have to look too far in history to find plenty of others.
Isn't the Government against piracy? They just don't do very much about it.
"I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes" ~ Laughing Man - GITS:SAC
When the policy is going against the natural market force, there's not much the government can do. You can raid the markets and factories that sell and manufacture the illegal material, but the market demand will eventually cause them to revive somewhere else. America's anti-alchohol legislation is a great example of such bad policies. During the 1930's, the law enforcement tried their best to stop selling liquor, but the bootleg movement surpassed the law enforcement and eventually led to the abolishment of the legislation.
Here in the U.S. we should be all too familiar with leaders that sign treaties or agreements and then go against their word when it is in their best interest (the wonderful world of baby Bush)... Likewise, China is not going to decrease the amount of spam that comes out of its borders because it is not in their self-interest. Once again, money is the motivator... anyone surprised? As long as someone can make a buck filling your email inbox with penis enlargement ads, they will continue to do so. It's not rocket science kids, it is economics. There is a great article (http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend22_20021122. htm)about a 57 year old man that has made a living off spamming. As long as the capability is there it will be manipulated. So, thank you China for coughing up your John Hancock, but please forgive me if I'm a tad unenthusiastic.
This is funny why I was moderated -1!
/etc/mail/access file, and add to it.
HOnestly, and truthfully, I do block all of china. Doing this, I just don't get the 700k+ SPAM emails per day -- they're blocked.
I also publish my blocklist at one of my websites. I really do just take his
You moderators are fucked-up sometimes!
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Uh, huh? Local to me, it's one of two major universities. SO, since I'm in Pittsburgh, that would be either the University of Pittsburgh, or Carnegie Mellon University. Which one do you think it could be?
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