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Drupal Needs a New Home
reardonsteel writes "All of the Drupal websites were offline for about two days because of a server meltdown at the organization's hosting provider. The main Drupal website is back up with a single temporary page and they've announced a fund-raising drive to raise US$3000 for a new server to be hosted at the Open Source Lab at Oregon State University's server farm. Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc." At this point, all they need is an actual server, too: the OSL has agreed to provide rack space, bandwidth, power, backup facilities and support.
So now we'll go ahead and destroy the temporary server too. Good work.
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In only 12 hours, they have already raised nearly 2000 dollars for the new server, PRIOR to the posting on slashdot. People who care change the world for the BETTER, while those who don't impact it terribly.
If you don't know anything about the software I listed above, just google them!
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Why do i care about this project?
It needs your money.
What was its place
drupal.org
and its goals?
Collect $3000.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
The first several google links all appear to point to the site that is down. Even the cached links I read didn't get to the part that actually described what it was. Hope that helps.
Kirby
They have a server meltdown, so Slashdot gives them another?
:)
tim, I think you should watch your (real life) Karma...That's not very nice
Certainly could. But I've never heard about the Mamboserver project ( http://www.mamboserver.com/ ) before. But they dont claim to be leading in the CMS business, just among the most powerful *shrug*
What I don't get is why they aren't renting their own dedicated box, so they don't have to own the hardware. You can get a dual Xeon configuration for about $200-300/month and with about 2TB of bandwidth. Of course now they won't have a monthly bill, but every time they need to upgrade the machine or repair it, there are going to be costs.
see a Text Widget
Parent? Meet Google. I know it's hard to believe, but this is a site that catalogs the entire internet and allows you to search through them for the information you seek. For example, if you were to type "Drupal" in the text box and hit enter, the website would return thousands of pages that use that term, and would further enlighten you to
Or you could just use Wikipedia, which, of course, has a wonderful page up about Drupal. Oh, but I forgot. You're too busy to do any of that. We should just explain everything to you. Who do you think you are, man? Seriously? Not a web developer, obviously.
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Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
Once they have a new box, why don't they distribute their software and docs up on P2P? surely that'll lighten the network load and cost them less.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Seriously, I have never heard of Drupal until I saw this article. It may be useful software, very useful, but who knows? FA like this should really start off like this:
Then maybe
To answer the question, what is Drupal...
Drupal is the open-source CMS behind:
and many more sites. Even if you don't know Drupal, you've probably visited a Drupal site before. Drupal is known for its modular architecture, clean code and developer friendlyness.
Today I was reading an entry in Eugenia Loli-Queru's Slashdot journal. It was discussing the recent defacing of TuxTops.com.
Now, looking at the source code to the main page of TuxTops.com I noticed that it includes a CSS file "misc/drupal.css". That would lead me to believe that they are using Drupal as their content management system. Please verify this for yourself if you do not believe me.
My question is: why was their site defaced so easily? Was it because Drupal itself is an inherently insecure system? Or was it just improperly installed?
Can anybody shed some light on this? I would like to use it, but seeing stuff like that makes me nervous.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Server meltdown? Oh let's /. them now that they are back online.
I offered them a free Dual Xeon 2.8GHz server, 1GB RAM, 1x80GB hard drive with 500GB transfer a month, hosted at Simpli (my hosting company). We host several Drupal sites and I'd be happy to have them on board. I asked for a text link back to Simpli. I haven't heard back from them, so I guess they'd rather beg their users for money than take a free dedicated server. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed, but it's their money and their choice.
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From the single page, it says:
Fundraise status
Start date:
13 hours 5 min ago
Received:
$6468 USD
Target:
$3000 USD
Last updated:
2 min 56 sec ago
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
liqbase
As a minor contributor to the Drupal project, I can tell you it rocks. It's a very well written piece of code. Much more than a CMS, it's a platform on which communities can be launched and mini applications can be written. I believe that Drupal could help revolutionize web site development for inidividuals, small non-profits, and small businesses. It's an extremely flexible and powerful platform. What's more, the main developers of Drupal are pure to the free software philosophy.
When the site comes back up, you should check it out.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
...seeing as the main drupal tarball is only ~450k.
I am NaN
So when MS went down because of a DOS attack, they makes them a poor business partner? They are the richest company in the world, they should always be up right? My point is that sometimes things happen in business that you cannot plan for. Perhaps they were planning on upgrading. I doubt very much this will have ANY impact on drupal's long term acceptance in the community.
BTW I find the lectures about what you think customers want somewhat annoying. Customers care about having their own systems up and running. While it might be a cause for concern, it's hardly world ending.
Thalasar
xfce just got donated a new server from 2x.com For less than 1600 dollars. 3000? gimme a break!
I think that Drupal wants something more than a toy. A box full of a bunch of no-name, el-cheapo hardware isn't really going to cut it. $3K for a low to mid level, brand name server with some guts to it and a real warranty is a fair price.
-h-
Today, CivicSpace is a distribution of Drupal: their core is unforked, and their modules are developed and stored in the main Drupal repository. They contribute patches to the main project as well as work on their own stuff.
Here is your one stop place to compare CMS ... cmsmatrix.org
No sig for now.
To the naysayers out there, you should know that Drupal got 11 "Summer of Code" developers. Do the folks at Google obviously think very highly of this open source project.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
Yes and where were you before the actual problem? This was already in the works for the last few weeks.
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.... unfortunate.
It is better to OWN your core resources and leverage the other stuff that OSL is offering. They also provide mirroring, 24x7 admin staff familier with and specializing in open source software.
OSL does NOT REQUIRE an AD for this service. IT's just what they do. What happends when Drupal goes beyond 500GB/month? All this for the price of owning a server. I own my server and you seem to own yours.
For four years a very few people have born the expense of this while growing at a phenominal rate. While lots of happy users [and some that chose other products
Your post just seems a little
I'd be cautious grouping it with Slash or nuke. Those are previous-generation CMS systems, and are becoming quite dated.
Newer stuff such as Drupal, Mambo (which I personally dislike), Textpattern, and other newer CMS systems have embraced emerging web technologies (Ajax, CSS) and are generally written with extremely clean code and have very simplistic ways of operating (mac-like if you would care to make the analogy)
Slash and nuke are dinosaurs. They may still work fine, but if you're going to make a new site, you'd do yourself a favor to research the newer options. Development on all of the 'old' CMSes has stalled, and little work is being done to improve them.
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Or maybe there was some misunderstanding you could clear up?
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
That is just absurd. Your saying that if people cannot write their own CMS they shouldn't have a website? Some people spend less than 6 hours a day in front of a computer, does that entitle them to anything less on the internet?
Go troll somewhere, please.
Slashdot taught me how to use the preview button!
Bull. I used to write all of the code for my own website. It probably took me about a week of full-time-equivalent work, and it worked OK, but that's still a far cry from half an hour. Don't give me any of that crap about it being because you're a better programmer, either. I work on kernels and distributed systems for a living, and have done for over a decade. Web programming is something I do as a break from real work because it's so easy by comparison. Nonetheless, all you can get in half an hour is something that sucks. If you want something that's modular and maintainable, that takes more time. If you want something that's database-efficient, that takes more time...and flat-file-based systems are even worse so don't go there. If you want something that's standards-compliant, that takes more time...and your main page generated 130 errors when I ran it through the W3C validator. If you want it not to look like crap (again unlike your site) that takes more time. If you want to have features like markup in comments and comment preview, decent archive management, categories, and search (again unlike...) that takes more time. If you want to do all of those things and have it be secure, that takes more time; not knowing how to implement features securely is a poor excuse for having a low-functionality site. Do all that in under the week it took me, and I'll be impressed. So far, not even close.
My guess, based on your comment, is that you're another victim of the rewrite bug that often afflicts junior programmers. Writing code is not necessarily more efficient than reading other people's, but it is generally more fun so kiddies always want to rewrite everything in sight. What they end up with isn't usually any better, though. Most code that's written as an excuse not to understand something that already existed sucks far worse than what it replaces. That's why most of the people who roll their own website never even have the balls to make the result available for others to see. They know that it's a lot easier to claim superiority than to prove it.
That's the most offensive thing about your post, and why I went out of my way to be offensive right back. Sure, maybe you and I can (with varying degrees of success) write code to do the things that a typical weblog does, but why should we be the only ones to have sites? Why shouldn't high-school students and grandmothers have them too? Sure, most of what they write is crap, but so is most of what geeks write (including here). What purpose is served by having someone who might be able to contribute code in some other domain that you know nothing about have to learn your most treasured skills as the price of entry to the world of website ownership? What if their contribution is something other than code - like scientific knowledge or political insight? Aren't those valuable too? Thinking that everyone should value what you value is beyond elitist, and contrary to the spirit of free enterprise. It's just a crutch for insecurity, not a valid or useful attitude. It's almost as pathetic as posting fake-IQ-test results to your blog.
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Well, it turns out, you're right. I went to his site and thought, "hmm, a blog system with comments and trackbacks, maybe he does have a point if he built this whole thing in 30 minutes." But then I tried his system. Anyone can add comments -- comment spam could (and probably eventually will) overrun his system. In addition, I was able to easily drop JavaScript code into the comments and it was executed! Of course, I only dropped in a harmless JavaScript alert, as I don't want to get in trouble for "hacking" a neophyte's crappy blog system.
But in any case, to the grandparent post: my God, man, you cannot build such a shoddy, terrible system, and then tout the benefits of reinventing the wheel. Your wheel is awful, and better people before you have built wheels that put yours to shame. Yours is bad enough to actually be dangerous. It's a black-hat's wet dream. SQL injection, code insertion, you don't even launder your input! I fear for your site and the server that hosts it.
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All of the Drupal websites were offline for about two days because of a server meltdown at the organization's hosting provider.
Nucular computers is bad, mm'kay! Don't support it. This is what happens, things melt down and people are left without homes.