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Homeland Security Adds Cybersecurity Position

Matimus writes "Information Week has a story about the new Cybersecurity position in the Department of Homeland Security. They have stated IT management is one of their six major concerns." From the article: "Homeland Security's decision to create an assistant secretary for cybersecurity and telecommunications is expected to be well received by Congress and IT advocates calling for better use of technology in securing the country's physical and virtual borders. In May, the House of Representatives passed a $34 billion budget for Homeland Security that called for elevating the nation's head cybersecurity official to assistant secretary status."

153 comments

  1. Technical or Political? by lecithin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are the qualifications?

    Will this be any type of technical position, or will it be political?

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    1. Re:Technical or Political? by sleeper0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ??? You have to ask that? This is a political appointment, no position that high up or even several levels below would ever be considered technical.

    2. Re:Technical or Political? by simp · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Anyone with a bit of common sense will do. And anyone with a bit of common sense will get rid of that awful word "cyber"... So jumping to a conclusion: They're doomed. They will do all the wrong things for the wrong reasons. It will take a generation or 2 before there will be people in the governement that understand IT.

    3. Re:Technical or Political? by adamplas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I imagine it would be a bit of both. However, as politics and technology never seem to work well together, it would end up being the appointee's job to explain technical issues such as virus protection or cyber-attacks to those who have the power and money. I'd have to lean towards mostly political, and I think most IT workers would agree - just think of trying to convince a manager that a new firewall or server is needed. So, technical in the nature of keeping up on the current technology, but political in trying to convince lawmakers that the new technology is needed.

    4. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seeing how a spyware company executive is appointed to the Department of Homeland Security's privacy advisory board, I think you can guess the answer.

    5. Re:Technical or Political? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Well, as of about 12 Noon today, I heard that HP will be laying off some 10,000 to 25,000, purportedly according to the SJ Mercury News dated for today. I wonder if any poor layoffee of HP will be qualified for that job...

      OTOH, maybe some of that cyber security will go toward defending the infrastructure from attacks from within, especially if more and more people keep getting laid off. If a sizable chunk of this round of layoffs is bulk AND immediate, and if even 1/2 of them are in silly conjob alley, the real estate market here could be in for a JOLT, "the Big One" the employees expect, and the "big one" the R/E industry wants to dismiss...

      Interesting times we live in...

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    6. Re:Technical or Political? by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > It will take a generation or 2 before there will be people in the governement that understand IT.

      There will NEVER be people in government that understand IT. The mindsets are mutually exclusive.

      One deals with hard facts which, when ignored, cause problems.

      The other deals with sound bites that appeal to emotions; facts are irrelevant.

      It has always been this way, and it always will... because in order to rise in politics you must win the approval of masses of people who don't understand the issues you are discussing, and you must currie favors with others in power and marginalize your opponents (whether or not they are "right" about any particular issue).

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    7. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the qualifications?

      Just a guess:

      Sycophancy, abject incompetence and the supreme desire and undying will to wrestle the evil-doing ungodly file-sharing menace into the ground once and for all.

    8. Re:Technical or Political? by coflow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with your assessment, but I think it might not have always been this way. I think there was a short period of time when the founding fathers of the US moved from being revolutionaries to government officials that they were able to get actual work done. (Such as Hamilton's construction of the Treasury Department or Jefferson's State Department). I know the lack of partisan bickering didn't last long and modern political BS soon found its way, but I'd at least like to think there were at least a few years of real work being done by the govt.

    9. Re:Technical or Political? by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      I wonder how dependent upon contractors this will be...
      I think a lot of security is independent of lawmakers... The old quote that the president isn't the seat of power, he is there to draw attention away from power....
      If I didn't believe that somewhere out there there are people in charge who truly care about our security and not just politics and sound bites, I couldn't sleep at night.
      And yes, i do wear a tinfoil hat, but I think we can be pretty sure that a lot of this is already being conducted under a mountain somewhere.

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    10. Re:Technical or Political? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > Seeing how a spyware company executive is appointed to the Department of Homeland Security's privacy advisory board, I think you can guess the answer.

      Yeah, but Gator's not spyware. Take it up with chick from Doubleclick, who now serves as HomeSec's Chief Privacy Officer.

      Since we're now talking about a security position, can any of you Microsofties tell us if the guy who came up with Internet Explorer's zone-based security architecture is the same guy as the one who came up with the idea of integrating the web browser into the desktop? Because if they're the same person, I think we know who the cybersecurity czar's gonna be.

    11. Re:Technical or Political? by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      There will NEVER be people in government that understand IT. The mindsets are mutually exclusive.

      What the hell are you talking about? The creator of the Internet served for eight years as Vice President!

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    12. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a former executive of Microsoft. Who knows more about security attacks?

    13. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's my insightful mod points when I need 'em?
      You are, unfortunately, too right.

    14. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG God!!! That was Soooo funny!!! I've never heard that one before!!!!

    15. Re:Technical or Political? by CompressedAir · · Score: 1

      Um, are you familar with the civil service?

      1. They don't get elected.

      2. They can be very technically skilled in their field of study.

      3. Only very top level positions in the government are political appointies. The ones who actually do the work are civil service.

      You are aware that NASA "deals in hard facts which, when ignored, cause problems" right? You are aware that NASA is a government agency, right?

      The CIA/FBI/DOE/etc. are much the same.

    16. Re:Technical or Political? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "2. They can be very technically skilled in their field of study."

      However, in so many cases....the tech work itself is now done by contractors, and the gov. is actively getting itself OUT of the technical end of most gov. projects.....and only allowing the govy's to provide oversite.

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    17. Re:Technical or Political? by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      How much do you want to bet that an official at "assistant secretary" level is chosen for his political status and not his technical skills?

      The same is true for the upper level officials at CIA, FBI, DOE, and yes, even NASA.

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    18. Re:Technical or Political? by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1
      OMFG God!!! That was Soooo funny!!! I've never heard that one before!!!!

      You must be new here.



      (Hint to mods: this is funny, because it consists of a slashdot cliché. Those are always funny.)

    19. Re:Technical or Political? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you talking about? The creator of the Internet served for eight years as Vice President!

      Yeah, it's funny and all - but Al Gore deserves some credit - as a young politician, he did recognize te power of the Internet, and did do significant work to see its development.

      Don't forget to give credt where it's actually due, eh?

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    20. Re:Technical or Political? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someday, somewhere on the Internet, somebody is going to crack an "Al Gore invented the Internet" joke without some pedantic and humorless fuck insisting on spelling out the complete history behind the former Vice President's poorly-chosen remark, as if there's even one person left in the universe who would get the joke and not already know it, ruining an otherwise perfectly entertaining moment of levity for everyone.

      Someday, but obviously not today. Alas.

      You're just as bad as those dicks who rush to the defense of Dan Quayle every time somebody makes a "potatoe" quip.

  2. nice by syncore · · Score: 2, Funny

    What a good way to spend taxpayers' money.

  3. Isolationist? by JossiRossi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somehow I feel that the US government will not be happy until we have "secured our borders" until the government is entirely isolated.

    Not the country mind you, just the government. I often seem to feel that the US government would be ALOT happier without citizens to get in the way too.

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    1. Re:Isolationist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ...what would they control then? A whole shitload of land? A country's most important resource is its citizenry. If you think the government doesn't know that, you're a moron.

      The kind of moron who doesn't know "a" and "lot" are seperate words.

    2. Re:Isolationist? by Kainaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I often seem to feel that the US government would be ALOT happier without citizens to get in the way too.

      And what business is different? I worked at Burger King and everyone complained that it would be so much easier without the customers. I worked at AMC theater and everyone complained that it would be so much easier without the patrons. I worked for a film company and everyone complained that it would be so much easier if they didn't have to distribute and show the movies. I taught at a university and everyone complained that it would be so much easier without the students. I'm now doing research at a hospital and everyone complains that it would be so much easier without all the patients. Why wouldn't the government find it easier without all the bothersome citizens?

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    3. Re:Isolationist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not isolationist. If GWB wanted us to be an isolationist nation, he wouldn't want to fucking invade every last country in the middle east.

      This is just a "wah, everything we do sucks! lets keep throwing money at shitty solutions until maybe they'll work".

    4. Re:Isolationist? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      Like the Despair poster for Apathy says, "If We Don't Take Care of the Customer, Maybe They'll Stop Bugging Us."

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    5. Re:Isolationist? by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      I often seem to feel that the US government would be ALOT happier without citizens to get in the way too.

      No, no, no. Shining city on the hill, remember -- home of the free, land of the brave -- a fine example for the democratically challenged rest of us.

      Oh, wait.

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    6. Re:Isolationist? by demachina · · Score: 1

      "Somehow I feel that the US government will not be happy until we have "secured our borders" until the government is entirely isolated."

      I think you misstated the situation. The Bush adminsration and homeland security are really only striving to secure our borders against people who are trying to get here legally and through legitimate channels. Its become incredibly hard to get a visa to live in the U.S. so people who have them now and are living law abiding productive lives here, and I know a few, are being forced to leave when their visa expires, and a lot of very talented undergraduate and graduate students, engineers, etc who have provided a lot of highly educated talent to America's universities and economy are either not able to get in to the U.S. or opting not to try because its to dangerous to come to the U.S. as a non citizen. The U.S. government is establishing a track record of harrassment, denying basic due process(access to a lawyer and your embassy if you are arrested something all civilized countris honer), artbitrary and indefinite arrests, deportations to 3rd world countries for torture etc. so the U.S. is no longer viewed as a safe place for the best and brightest from around the world to come and study or work, especially if you are or look Arab or Muslim. End result massive damage to the economy of a country with a generally bad education system and which is very dependent on foreign educated talent.

      But here is the rub, the Dept. of Homeland Security has done next to NOTHING to stem the tide of illegal aliens pouring in to the U.S. especially across the U.S. Mexican border, nor will they other than put on a show now and then. Those illegal aliens represent a vast pool of hard working, easily exploited, ultra low wage labor. Many U.S. businesses are completely dependent on it to compete, and they in turn are pressuring politicians to turn a blind eye to illegal immigrations across the border or illegal immigrants once they are here.

      So the irony is its increasingly impossible for the world's best and brightest to get in the the U.S. legally, but if you are unskilled, uneducated, or a suicide bomber, and are willing to swim the Rio Grande its NO problem coming to the U.S. and probably living out your life there, which might be brief in the case of the suicide bomber.

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    7. Re:Isolationist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't the government find it easier without all the bothersome citizens?

      Because government and the citizens are supposed to be the same thing.

    8. Re:Isolationist? by Kainaw · · Score: 1

      Because government and the citizens are supposed to be the same thing.

      Only in a communist society where all people are of an equal class/caste. In a republic (the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy), there is a class system. Private citizens are not government. Government officials are not private citizens. The military is part of the government. It is very easy to look at the rights of a military member and the rights of a private citizen and see the differences. You can even look at the President. Do you think you'd be threatened with impeachment for screwing around with some office worker?

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    9. Re:Isolationist? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Well, it's just human nature. On the other hand though, it's a little different for government. They not only volunteered for the post, they spent a fair amount of time, money and effort convincing the very people they're now wishing weren't there that they were the right person for the job, that they'd represent their needs and the needs of the country as a whole better than anyone else going for the job.

      They stood up and said "pick me to represent you, I'll do a good job, I have your best interests at heart", got picked, and are now saying "God, I wish I didn't have to represent these people"

    10. Re:Isolationist? by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      "Why wouldn't the government find it easier without all the bothersome citizens?"

      This statement brings several very interesting video clips from M.Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" documentary to mind:

      (1) a quick Dubya quip about "how much easier it would be to govern a dictatorship"

      (2) a Washington gala fundraiser, during which Dubya is quoted as saying "Some consider you the elite. I consider you my base."

      (3) two video clips, one of Condi Rice and the other of Colin Powell, each stating during the first 90 days of Dubya's inaguration "Saddam has no WMD. We have prevented him from being a threat to his people, or to his neighbors."

      The larger point that I am trying to make is that Dubya ran for president as an isolationist (, or at least as a non-interventionist,) as a "compassionate" conservative, and as "a uniter, not a divider". In each and every instance, these have been revealed as bold-faced lies to the American people by Dubya's subsequent actions and revelations.

      The one thing I have learned from the "Dubya experience" is that politicians cannot be trusted, beyond their lust for power. I am hoping that we all (myself, the USA, and the rest of the world) will survive this "experience".

    11. Re:Isolationist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      LOL. Dubya is way too compassionate for his conservative base. Ask them sometime (without coming across as confrontational.)

      And he certainly did unite the two parties after Sept 11th. He had them all singing the same tune on Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. -- right up until the elections loomed. Then the Democrats couldn't bottle up their partisan angst anymore.

      Quoting a blatent propagandist like M. Moore doesn't make a good case, by the way.

    12. Re:Isolationist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Do you think you'd be threatened with impeachment for screwing around with some office worker?

      In a CEO/staff intern relationship? Certainly not. The CEO would have been able to get that staff intern her dream job in NY no questioned asked.
      In a more equitable office drone relationship both would be fired summarily with security on their heels right to the door. In government offices they would at worst be transferred, with a promotion if neccesary, if neither complained.

      The inequity you refer to has nothing to do with government/citizen interrelationship and is (for the most part) the inverse of what you propose.
    13. Re:Isolationist? by ThreeE · · Score: 1
      a country with a generally bad education system

      Your post is in reference to the higher education system in America -- one that is universally known as the best in the world. If you were referring to the primary or secondary systems, I might give you some credit, but the University system in the US is sought out worldwide.

      if you are unskilled, uneducated, or a suicide bomber, and are willing to swim the Rio Grande its NO problem

      When was the last time we had a suicide bomber in the US? I guess you might consider the 9/11 hijackers suicide bombers, but even that weak analogy was almost 4 years ago.

    14. Re:Isolationist? by demachina · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't be "stalking" me would you Threeep :)

      "Your post is in reference to the higher education system in America -- one that is universally known as the best in the world. If you were referring to the primary or secondary systems, I might give you some credit, but the University system in the US is sought out worldwide."

      If you followed what I was saying which you obviously didn't....AGAIN, primary and secondary eduction in the U.S. sucks so U.S. universities are extremely dependent on a big influx of people educated in other countries, especially for graduate studies and professors. The visa hurdles, rising hostility to foreigners in the U.S. are drying up that inflow, it will take a while but it will eventually severly damage the U.S. economy and higher education. Of course election statistics show most well educated people can't stand the people who are know running the U.S. so most of the best and brightest in the world don't want anything to do with the U.S at this point whatever the Visa hurdles.

      Of course most companies are moving their R&D centers to China and India to circumvent the problem anyway. I recently heard the number 700+ western companies have opened R&D centers in China in the last couple years. Saves the U.S. visa hassles, wage rates are low. good education all the way through at least for the best and brightest in those two countries. Oppressive government leads to obedient workers. Only down side is there is a vast transfer of IP, expertise and knowledge to China at the same time.

      India and China actually value academics and academic performers versus the U.S. where we value jocks, soldiers, sales, marketing and cheerleaders. For Indians cricket is about the only sport they care about it.

      "When was the last time we had a suicide bomber in the US?"

      I think you missed the point again, it wasn't that Al Qaeda is exploiting that avenue, its that there is absolutely nothing stopping them. While the U.S. is massively hasseling affluent and well educated who want to come to the U.S. legally ANYBODY can get in to the U.S. illegally and thousands do everyday.

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  4. Difficulty filling position by coflow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how they plan to compete with commercial interests that are willing to pay top dollar for individuals suitable to the task. I can't imagine DHS would pay what a Bank of America or Walmart would .

    1. Re:Difficulty filling position by Gillious · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? This is a technician's dream. You'll work for a company that can't sell you, downsize you, or fire you. You'll make more than you are worth, plus never have to show any "real" results. Who wouldn't want to work for the government?

    2. Re:Difficulty filling position by coflow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can get fired at the level that this position is (although in the current administration it seems to be difficult to be fired). I don't think it's really a technician position. And I'll restate my claim that this position can't possibly pay what a bank or large retail operation would pay. I call on CIO's in both government and commercial settings, and the discrepancy in pay is amazing.

    3. Re:Difficulty filling position by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      Yeah but govt hours are good!

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    4. Re:Difficulty filling position by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      I call on CIO's in both government and commercial settings, and the discrepancy in pay is amazing.

      Does the competency of the CIO correlate to the pay?

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    5. Re:Difficulty filling position by Daedala · · Score: 1

      The problem is not competing on the basis of money. Anyone who takes that job will, upon leaving it, have the Platinum Lobby Parachute that our administration kindly provides all its personnel. The problem is that many of the people who would actually be good at the job would have too much integrity to take it, or -- to be fair -- if they did take it, probably have too much integrity to do very well at it. That is why so many of the previous cybersecurityczarwhatevers resigned.

      And the competition is NOT large corporations, who don't necessarily pay their in-house security staff very well (she said bitterly). It's the consulting firms that are the competition.

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    6. Re:Difficulty filling position by J+Barnes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're really curious, the payscales are published here:

      http://www.opm.gov/oca/05tables/

      Also, while the actual work in securing the IT network of a company like Walmart may be more substantial in some ways, having a credential like DHS on your resume and the associated security clearance would greatly increase your marketability once you have left the organization for the private sector.

      If you're marketing yourself towards the security field, any security consulting company would salivate to have a high-level ex-government information security officer on the payroll.

    7. Re:Difficulty filling position by coflow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess it depends on how you define competency. In the commercial world, in theory it should. But the reality is that many companies evaluate the CIO on how much they cut costs, not on the amount of value they drive. To me, that doesn't seem like it aligns pay with performance of the IT dept. And the CIO position is such a revolving door position. I think I read somewhere that the average tenure for a Fortune X00 CIO was on the order of 18 months.

    8. Re:Difficulty filling position by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      And the CIO position is such a revolving door position. I think I read somewhere that the average tenure for a Fortune X00 CIO was on the order of 18 months.

      How can you get anything done (or screw anything up) in that short amount of time?

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    9. Re:Difficulty filling position by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      I would work this position for free for one year. Afterward I would have a resume worth much more than 1 year's salary of Bank of America's CSO.

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    10. Re:Difficulty filling position by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1
      Screwing things up is easy to do in a short amount of time.

      Getting things done is harder, but sometimes, things can be improved simply by identifying who is screwing things up and firing them or promoting them into another department.

  5. Jealous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I wish someone would elevate my role in the IT world to assistant-secretary status!

    1. Re:Jealous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I wish someone would elevate my role in the IT world to assistant-secretary status!

      This stack of hand-written documents needs to be typed up. I'm expecting 40 phone-calls from prospective clients that I'll need you to handle while the head-secretary and I are gone in Tahiti. Oh, and the espresso machine is broken. Sorry, we don't have any IT problems at the moment that the regular IT team can't handle on its own. Anyways, see you next week.

  6. Well... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Technically, it will be political, of course!

    1. Re:Well... by jd0g85 · · Score: 1

      But politically, it must have technical grounding! Oh wait, no, that's not right...

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  7. We're doomed. by BaronSprite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another puppet official to tell us we need the death penalty for hackers?

    I wonder how much of the money will go towards research to blow "terrorists" computers up, then since the technology is already around, let's just finish off all the file sharers.

    1. Re:We're doomed. by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another puppet official to tell us we need the death penalty for hackers?

      So, when a political party you like better happens to hold office, are the people they appoint to federal positions "puppets" too? Is anyone that's hired to do a particular job, including following the policy guidance of the people that hired them, a puppet?

      Have you ever had a job? Or better: have you ever hired anyone? If you did hire someone, would you only respect them if they did something other than what you asked them to do? See, because then they wouldn't be a puppet, right?

      I wonder how much of the money will go towards research to blow "terrorists" computers up

      Actually, that's more DOD's job. If a hostile network or group of people started using our networks to cause more damage than is already being done, you can bet that we can and should at the very least trash the networks they're using. Just like they'd do to us. When you consider that strictly "private sector" Russian mobsters can extort untold thousands of dollars from companies by coordinating massive DDoS attacks, imagine what, say, the government of China might try if they got pissy over Taiwan. We absolutely need people focusing on how to unplug them as needed. At the very least.

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    2. Re:We're doomed. by RickPartin · · Score: 1

      The person who made the "Death penalty for hackers" comment was not a government official, and it was a joke.

    3. Re:We're doomed. by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      We absolutely need people focusing on how to unplug them as needed. At the very least.

      YES! YES! We ABSOLUTELY need COMPETENT people focusing on how to unplug assholes as needed. Not know-nothing morons, crownies, or yes-men. I am all in favor of nuking our current public employees, and starting from scratch. I don't care about conservatives, librals, or whatever other label that one can come up with, what's going on now is total bullshit.

      Either that, or get me off this planet, and I'll go help build it with those who DO care, and ARE competent. Hello? I'm ready for beam-out. Hello?

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  8. Round 2 by esmokey · · Score: 3, Funny
    "That person also will be called upon to gather critical-infrastructure threat information and lead the national response to cyber and telecommunications attacks."

    They're trying to break up Microsoft again?!

  9. What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will this position's office have a revolving door, like the previous "cybersecurity czar" gig at DHS?

    The position is one of complete and utter impotence. Microsoft calls the shots in the industry. They have little interest in changing/fixing their shit beyond getting suckers to pay to upgrade.

    Microsoft helped put Bush in office so they'd get away from the whole antitrust thing with a little slap on the wrist. That same government is still in power, and will not lean very hard on Microsoft to clean up the information security mess their shitty products have made.

    1. Re:What a joke by coflow · · Score: 1

      I wish I had more mod points so I could give this post four thumbs down.

    2. Re:What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess there aren't many Dave Chappelle fans moderating today?

    3. Re:What a joke by Capt.+Caneyebus · · Score: 1

      You do realize that cyber security is not just about your OS there chief. You also have to deal with routers and other things that have vulnerabilities. Microsoft isn't the only company to have security problems.

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    4. Re:What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? He's entitled to his opinion. He's on-topic. He's half-close to being right, and expressing an opinion held by many.
      Oh. I see. You want to mod him down because you don't agree with him.
      Jerk.

    5. Re:What a joke by coflow · · Score: 1

      Slow down tiger. First point: it's a joke. It's from the Charlie Murphy Real Hollywood Stories. Lighten up. Second point: the claim about Microsoft calling the shots in the industry is probably more based on emotion and knee jerk than on reality. As another poster pointed out, there are many more parts involved in security than the OS. And even in the OS arena, there are still plenty of non-MS servers. Third point: Microsoft helped put Bush in office? Come on, claims like this have no factual basis, whether you like Bush or not. In the scheme of things Microsoft does not contribute all that much money to the two parties (not compared to pharma, law firms, banks, oil, and tobacco).

  10. Honestly... . by guildsolutions · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We would never in a million years read private, innocent citizens emails. Why on earth would you think we would even want to?

    Oh Btw, your under arrest for sharing Peter Pan on Kaaza

    1. Re:Honestly... . by edbarrett · · Score: 1
      Oh Btw, your under arrest for sharing Peter Pan on Kaaza
      As well you should be!
  11. America doesn't have any virtual boarders by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...otherwise how in the world can we arrest an Australian for software piracy???

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:America doesn't have any virtual boarders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      virtual boarders

      Is that like letting Max Headroom stay at your house for awhile?

    2. Re:America doesn't have any virtual boarders by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Argh! You're right...I did slip an extra letter in there, didn't I? *oops*

      Tell you what. Let's make them pure virtual boarders. They'll be empty rooms that somehow still pay rent. ;^)

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      Weaselmancer
      rediculous.
  12. Great Firewall of USA ?!?!? by morcego · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Securing the virtual border ?
    I'm not sure about you, but that smells like they are planning to firewall USA ?
    Whats next ? Content filtering ?

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    morcego
    1. Re:Great Firewall of USA ?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There already is content filtering.

      you can get arreted for posting the followingthe following on the web

      child porn (including "children" just under 18)

      porn that does not meet other federal standards.

      any links to bomb making from a political site.

      any links to radical politics from a bomb making site.

      really just anything about bombs

      file sharing sites (legal or illegal files)

      Threatening a specific group or person with violent action.

      I am sure I am missing a few, but the point is we are already filtered.

    2. Re:Great Firewall of USA ?!?!? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Securing the virtual border ? I'm not sure about you, but that smells like they are planning to firewall USA ? Whats next ? Content filtering ?

      I think that's being used more as a metaphor. The point is that there networked systems that are vital to our internal security and daily economic interests. They (those things we operate and use) are "inside" the conceptual border, and are domestic - and hence in DHS's mandate. Besides, everything that counts within our domestically internetworked world had better ALREADY be firewalled. By the people that run them. And that's part of this guy's job: to preach on that very subject and people to shore things up. Just like DHS also tries to get companies to have plans for their other infrastructure.

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    3. Re:Great Firewall of USA ?!?!? by sharkey · · Score: 1, Funny
      Whats next ? Content filtering ?

      Lord knows it's way overdue. Just look at all the threats to our moral purity we face every day, even during wholesome family shows. Womens' breasts are threatening the very moral fabric of this country!!!

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  13. Where's garcia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that left-wing dirty hippy conspiracy theorizing communist bastard sick or something? I'm worried about him.

  14. This actually is a BIG DEAL... by nweaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    The previous cybersecurity position in the DHS (where the directors had the job expectation of a Drummer in Spinal Tap) was several rungs lower on the totem pole.

    Making it an assistant secretary position is a big increase in authority, which should (hopefully) translate into some significant action.

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    Test your net with Netalyzr
    1. Re:This actually is a BIG DEAL... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah. It's the "significant action" we're worried about.

      Linux is Communism.
      File sharing is Terrorism.
      Encryption is Treason.

      --
      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  15. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, I feel safe from all the terrorists and evil doers. Finally!

  16. Yeah, right by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    And we're all going to take computer security advice from an organization that's known to not get it right itself? Why not just listen to the many people out there who have offered their advice for free? Most organizations' security situations are easily improved - it's more a matter of willingness than of knowledge.

    --
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  17. Secretary Duties by silentcyph3r · · Score: 1

    The assistant secretary... will he have to do jobs like answer the phone and take messages?

    1. Re:Secretary Duties by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny
      "The assistant secretary... will he have to do jobs like answer the phone and take messages?"

      American government department bosses are called secretaries, which leads many non-Americans to wonder if all they do is sit and answer the phone. Non-American government department bosses are called ministers, which leads many Americans to wonder why foreign governments seem to all be run by clergy.

      --
      Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    2. Re:Secretary Duties by the_weasel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes the whole system is quite confusing. I suggest we adopt the following system.

      The assistant to the government boss can be called an Earl. His boss will be a duke. The leader of the nation shall be called King, who will be served by His Grand Viziers, drawn from the Dukes who have been most loyal, or who have helped keep the King in power.

      Naturally after some time, his son the Prince can take over when the King mucst step down - though there may be a short term of unpleasentness as the Regent governs for a period.

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  18. Job interview: by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I understand you want to be in charge of cyber security. This interview will be short. There is just one question. Which OS do you have on your home computer?"

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    1. Re:Job interview: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      interviewee: internet explorer interviewer: hired

    2. Re:Job interview: by Sethus · · Score: 1

      Three I bet.

      What is your name?
      Which OS do you have on your home computer?
      What is the airspeed velocity of an unaladen swallow?

      --
      Posting with out proof reading since 2001.
    3. Re:Job interview: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah! The only relavent question:

      "how much did you give to my political party?"

    4. Re:Job interview: by frankm_slashdot · · Score: 1

      1) al-swalaries jokamo
      2) windows 3.11
      3) is it african or english?

  19. Virtual borders? What about real interests? by joelsanda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Homeland Security's decision to create an assistant secretary for cybersecurity and telecommunications is expected to be well received by Congress and IT advocates calling for better use of technology in securing the country's physical and virtual borders.

    Why do people insist on seeing borders on the Internet? The word itself is composed of "inter" and "network". By applying the metaphor of "border" (either physical or (duck ... incoming cliche) "virtual") they're in essence calling the "internet" an "innerlan".

    I hope the DHS can move beyond that limited and sophmoric understanding and instead realize we have interests - not borders. There are no borders on the Internet (excusing the valiant if not wrong efforts of the Chineses).

    What if DHS instead focused on our interests: a secure platform for business and government and an accessible platform for communication? What they do afterwards is debatable from now until way past the end of time, but I think their metaphors are so misguided they jeopardize later efforts.

    In focusing on the concept of 'borders' on the Internet the leave the chute with shaky reasoning and risk all the problems always associated with a poor meta-understanding of their goals.

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    The Luddites were ahead of their time.
    1. Re:Virtual borders? What about real interests? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The Internet does have borders. You have LAN and WAN. Is a LAN part of the WAN? Not necessarily.

      Another exmple would be my home network and the network I have at work. Sometimes I can VPN to the office network. Other times My network is separate. That would be an amazing trick with your so called "borderless" internet.

      The machines that run the internet physically exist, as does the structures in place to relay the data. Sever these streams and the data reroutes itself to get to the desired destination. It takes a border to make an obstruction. Take this one step further and sever all data conduits. You now have an island, and that has borders.

      Your "Inter" and "network" statement is not quite accurate either. "Inter" also means between. Between networks would be a more accurate definition.

      And what is Meta - understanding? Comprehension of the particulars of understanding? Their goals would seem to be to regulate certain traffic between specific points of the internet, mainly those that physically reside within the US borders. They need a guy to show them how. So I think they have the Meta-understanding thing under grasp.

      Yet, I do believe that whomever they chose, he will F it up royally.

    2. Re:Virtual borders? What about real interests? by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      Another exmple would be my home network and the network I have at work. Sometimes I can VPN to the office network. Other times My network is separate. That would be an amazing trick with your so called "borderless" internet.

      That's a specific named network though - not unlike my home network and my neighbors'. They're seperate and not necessarily connected. But the 'entire' Internet is a whole different question.

      I think the focus on the Internet having borders is quite silly. What borders does Yahoo or Google or Slashdot have? Will there be a google.com.us and google.com.** to distinguish between us and them? What does that mean? Only Americans can access .us? What about Americans travelling abroad?

      The article compares phsycial borders and 'virtual' borders. That comparison is just wrong, because the Internet was built to, among many other things, transcend that and ensure communication can happen anywhere anytime - I believe in the event of a catostrophic nuclear war.

      Physical geographic borders have very few logical equivalents when we're talking about the Internet. They make perfect sense with home or small networks, but not necessarily a network of networks, which span borders all the time.

      --
      The Luddites were ahead of their time.
    3. Re:Virtual borders? What about real interests? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1
      What borders does Yahoo or Google or Slashdot have? Will there be a google.com.us and google.com.** to distinguish between us and them?

      Actually, Google does have separate servers for the UK and the US. They also have different data centers for all around the globe, multiple in the US even. A search made in the UK comes up significanly different than a search in the US. Also, some countries have differing laws on what can be presented to a person on the internet while they reside in the geographic borders of that country. Yahoo and Slashdot both have the borders of their physical networks. Any time code is executed on their servers, it is "inside" their borders. That definition can be applied to any larger area or entity.

      Now, if we are using the term internet as a concept, the cultural entity created by the free trade of information, then I would agree that the border debate is pointless. That is not what is being talked about here.

      The cybersecurity secretary (or whatever the position is called) is in charge of securing the hardware that is the backbone of the our internet. Which is to say, all servers and data passing infrustructure within our geographic borders. These physical borders do not mirror the conceptual borders of the internet, yet they do have a parallel. Defacing a website that is not your own, or hacking a server to steal information, is very much crossing a border. It has a physical representation in the world AND it has a conceptual equivalent "on the internet". While the two are related in terms of vocabulry and concept sharing, their definitions are not the same.

  20. Great timing! by teneighty · · Score: 1

    When Microsoft goes through with their plans to buy Gator... uh, I mean Claria, there's bound to be layoffs. But not to worry: the Department of Homeland Security is always eager to hire spyware and adware company employees.

    Good to see the government looking out for the best interests of American citizens!

    1. Re:Great timing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmm... why not: have all actions filter for possible commercial and for the war on terrorism (and other offences) activities and let the bussiness pay for it. Bet any governmental secret service is going to love this one.

      It can be done see the european guideline for storing internet traffic data. The ISPs are going to pay. (In Holland at least, other contries I do not know about, but I don't think they'll be inclined to do otherwise.)

  21. Robocop for Internet security by stoph+ct · · Score: 1

    Why not Peter Weller?

    He was the original Robocop

  22. Gov and Technology by Hategiants · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a firm believer that the DHS has no place in its present state dealing with 'technology.' They clearly have their hands full with remarkably menial tasks.

    Even so it is yet another powerless position that we as tax payers must foot the bill for, let the bloating continue!

  23. This is a good thing... by B11 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe now it'll be easier to stop all this rampant cyber-terrorism. Or maybe it'll just make it easier for government to snoop on us. Or maybe it'll just make it easier to get rid of those pesky pirates, yarr.

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    insert inflammatory anti-microsoft comment here
  24. No more spam e-mail from Osama??? by RamboIII · · Score: 1
    He'll be really upset. I can hear him now:

    "SHAKA LAKA DERKA DERKA! JEHAD DARKA ALAH!

    He'll then see how much of the American people's tax dollars are being spent. His face will begin to brighten. Then to a small smile, until he is rolling on the floor laughing.

    Then he'll say "Oh, derka derka derka..."

    --
    Time is comparison of movement to other movement.
  25. What will you say? by grimharvest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of these days you'll be telling your grandchildren what it was like to have an internet be as free and open as the frontier once was (though obviously with perils of its own just like the frontier had). If the kids ask which you prefered, chaotic but free, or secure but controlled, what will you say?

    1. Re:What will you say? by Doctor+O · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, these are my grandchildren. They were raised by one of my children who was raised by me and who, therefore, has been greatly exposed to my attitude towards many of those complex social and technological issues the net gives us. I doubt they'll ask me such a stupid question at all.

      Or so I hope, my children are both still quite young, and after all they're unique individuals anyway, so anything might happen. Maybe they even don't develop any interest for computers, and I sure won't be pressing them into it for we all know how shitty working with computers is most of the time in the Real World(TM) for most of the people.

      But I digress. Back in the old days in CompuServe, there was a time when they were checking ID and not allowing people to 'join' without. Only real names were allowed and set by CIS according to your ID. That was actually a Good Thing. I talked to Al Gore and can say for sure that it was him. That was back in 1994. Heck, I even talked to Douglas Adams and can be sure it was really him. (His style was very characteristic anyways, which was great fun.) If someone stalked or harassed you, you'd simply submit his message or mail to the CIS sysops and they'd take care of it, even banning people for continued harassing. They usually couldn't rejoin CIS without a change of ID (see above).

      Those were Great Times. There was a very friendly atmosphere. There was no spam. I say it again so that it can sink into your conscious mind. There. Was. No. Spam. I remember years of email without a single spam. I remember finding the first one really odd (it was the notorious Svetlana stuff, Russian brides for sale) and thinking that this is so pointless that it won't be successful and dying out. The problem was only beginning when they opened their system to the Internet in around 1995. The restrictive access was a good thing.

      So actually, to finally get back on topic, things aren't that easy. "Freedom and chaos" aren't inherently good, it's a *lot* more complex. Accountability would solve almost all of the problems we have today. Think about spam. Think about DDoS. Think about the social consequences. Hell, even think of arbritary things like ecommerce, it would be secure for both sides. The back side, of course, stays the surveillance scenario everyone of us fears. I am German. I for sure don't want to live in a country ruled by all-knowing totalitarists, my grandparents told me enough about it.

      Which closes the circle. I really need recovery. *goes off to de.alt.sysadmin.recovery*

      --
      Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
  26. u wanna cyber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    honestly, can't they avoid such a hackneyed term?
    do you cybermail? anybody browse the cyberweb? go to work to fix lusers cyberstations? didn't think so.

  27. I nominate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Martha Stewart. With people from Doubleclick and Gator in the house, why not ad another criminal to the mix?

    *ducks the troll/flamebait mod by posting as AC*

  28. Re:Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
    Ahh a time cube fan I see.

  29. Security of Personal Records by Scoria · · Score: 1

    The assistant secretary will be responsible for identifying and assessing the vulnerability of critical telecommunications infrastructure and assets. That person also will be called upon to gather critical-infrastructure threat information and lead the national response to cyber and telecommunications attacks, according to information available on Homeland Security's Web site.

    So, how about the protection of our personal records? Maybe the DHS should hire an individual responsible for ensuring that the personal records maintained by large corporations and credit reporting agencies are kept secure as well.

    It's funny, actually. Couldn't a well-funded "cyberterrorist" theoretically compromise one of those organizations, engage in identity theft, and then use their stolen identity to help them commit a "real world" terrorist act?

    --
    Do you like German cars?
  30. He may suggest, but who will listen? by hode · · Score: 1
    I can see it now:

    One of his first suggestions will be to switch all critical machines to a more secure, non-windows OS (I'll leave the /. crowd to debate which one). Microsoft will lobby against it. Lawmakers will notice that we have the rest of the world paying the Microsoft tax, which is in turn taxed by the US government, and decide to keep Microsoft around. Nothing will change except the occasional yellow or orange fear alert light.

  31. What will he be a fanboy of? by millahtime · · Score: 1

    So, I wonder what this new person will be a fanboy of? Will it be Linux, BSD, Microsoft, Unix? Or will he be a fanboy of doing it the right way in the right situation?

    I have a funny feeling that he will be a unix or windows only fanboy who leads down one bastardized road. Trying to please corperate masters rather than do something that works. But, I pray he does a real good job.

    1. Re:What will he be a fanboy of? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I'll believe this position actually has power when he/she bring down any non-secure OS. Namely M$ windows.

  32. Hopefully they appoint someone smart enough.... by Kulaid982 · · Score: 1

    I hope that whoever is appointed has the intelligence to realize that the biggest cyber-threat to the government is extremely exploitable evil software. Maybe they'll wise up and move government systems to something a bit more SECURE, for Homeland SECURITY'S sake?

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    Isn't it interesting how you come to recognize posters based solely on their sigs???
  33. Doh by sickboy85 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damnit. Now worms etc will become a matter of "national security" and they'll be able to prosecute the hell out of whoever crafts them.

  34. Richard Clarke recommendations by Nohea · · Score: 1

    I like how he was in this position, but now thinks dept homeland security can't hack it.

    http://appserv.gcn.com/22_20/news/22904-1.html

    He thinks vendors need to come up with a standardizes vulnerability test bed. I'm not sure exactly how this would be done (hackers do non-standard testing), but it sounds interesting. At least it could be a baseline over companies whose policy is "we don't get hacked".

  35. We're doomed by Gothmolly · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This person will be either a Gartner-reading FUD-gobbler, or some clueless government hack. Either way, real security will not be important. Appearances will be.

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  36. RoboFed solves all conundrums... by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    Cybersecurity eh? How about RoboFed! He's like RoboCop, but with incredible form filing powers...

    Human or otherwise, I expect this position will finally crack down on P2P terrorists and the like.

    --
    crazy dynamite monkey
  37. Oh yeah.... that'll help by MosesJones · · Score: 1

    Sorry to think this is nothing more than a headline, and another piece of evidence that the "War on Terror" is more about headlines than anything else. What ACTUALLY does this guy intent to do? "Securing borders", it might be slightly more effective to concentrate on intelligence programmes and having more arabic speakers than spending millions on an office that can do bugger all.

    But then recruiting arabic speakers is hard, and never gets you the press coverage, its so much more important to be SEEN to be doing things than actually doing things.

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    An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
    1. Re:Oh yeah.... that'll help by scolby · · Score: 1

      You've got that part right. This whole War on Terror is nothing more than a rehash of the War on Drugs with a different target. They're not actually doing anything useful; they're just making it look like they are, while using it as an excuse to cut a few civil liberties.

    2. Re:Oh yeah.... that'll help by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're being fair. I mean, the War On Poverty worked out OK, didn't it?

      --
      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
    3. Re:Oh yeah.... that'll help by frankm_slashdot · · Score: 1

      mod parent up +1 funny

  38. Well, yeah... by Rafikichi · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here. The US was, until the early 1900s, politically isolationist. It was the ever-increasing deviance from that doctrine that got it into more and more trouble, though history has shown isolationism today would be impossible and a stupid effort considering the rise of trans-nationalism and a globalized society. Remember the US denial of the communist Chinese government?

    If the U.S. hadn't of gotten involved in the Soviet/Afghan war against communism and THEN left behind bases controlled by the U.S. in the supposed Holy land... Bin Laden and the supposed alQaeda would have never gotten their start because the presence of these bases were thier main bitch.

    Also, the last time I checked, the citizens still had indirect control over who is the "government". If you don't like it then put more effort and analysis into who you vote for next time around.

    1. Re:Well, yeah... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "If you don't like it then put more effort and analysis into who you vote for next time around."

      That's a pretty stupid notion. There is no amount of effort and analysis by me that would result in anything other than a Republican or a Democrat's election to high office.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  39. Re:Shit. by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Funny

    Offtopic? The government tends to screw up most things it touches and the idea that it wants to grope the net even more than it already does is slightly annoying/disturbing - especially from the department of homeland security!

    "We must censor the internet or else the terrorists will crash a web server into the White House! Think of the children on tours!"

  40. Help Wanted -- MCP over the age of 9. by infonography · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apply Homeland Security Administration Dept of Buzzwording. Security Clearance not required.

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    Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
  41. Not great for the resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll be the nation's head of cybersecurity, but it'll still say "Assistant Secretary" on your resume.

  42. They definitely need the help by IO+ERROR · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
  43. Cyberfoo by GileadGreene · · Score: 3, Informative
    Can I just mention that I think the term "Cybersecurity" is stupid. Really, really stupid. really, really, really stupid. Actually, that goes for all the other Cyber- stuff that seems to pervade the internet these days too.

    "Cyber" is derived from the Greek word for "pilot", or "controller". Norbert Wiener introduced the term into English when he started talking about "Cybernetics" - which was his term for complex feedback control systems (Cyber. Control systems. Kinda makes sense, huh?). How we morphed from Wiener's original usage to the current fad for prefixing "Cyber" onto some random word in order to make it seem computer-related (not even control-related!) is beyond me. Although I'm sure William Gibson deserves a pretty large portion of the blame.

    1. Re:Cyberfoo by kalislashdot · · Score: 1

      I was going to say the same thing. "I hate the word cyber" So instead of starting my own thread I am commneting on this one, saying I concur.

  44. Pay is not the only benefit by J+Barnes · · Score: 1

    Well, there's always the substantial aftermarket for ex-government employees. Typically, they have a score of inside contacts, a government pedigree and difficult to obtain security clearances that all increase the earning power of any person on the consulting market.

    So there is some incentive to working in the government.

    I'd also suggest that there still exist a number of people in the federal government who are there to actually serve the country instead of simply being employed by it.

  45. More secure? by Socket790 · · Score: 1

    This from a department who's failed every single one of their own security audits?

    I feel safer already.

  46. I've got a bad feeling about this... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 2, Funny

    Today in computer security news, Homeland Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the new Director of Cybersecurity will be Jeff McFadden, former president and CEO of the Claria Corporation. Citing Claria's extensive presence at the forefront of the cyber security wars raging across the Internet, Chertoff said he couldn't think of another candidate better suited to the job.

    --

    I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

    1. Re:I've got a bad feeling about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that if that is true, then Michael Chertoff would have his inbox flooded with Claria software from millions of irate people?

  47. And Who Else but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who else to take up this position than the out-of-work creator of the Internet - AL GORE! He would know the most about cybersecurity, having created the Internet, right?

  48. Respect? by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you did hire someone, would you only respect them if they did something other than what you asked them to do? See, because then they wouldn't be a puppet, right

    Depends on presentation. If said person showed me I was doing something wrong, and offered a better way I'd be happy. Their job is more efficient, mine is easier... works great. The difference is in agenda. The current agenda of the government often seems contrary to the needs or well-being of its citizens, but the purpose of the government is to meet the needs of said citizens. Thus, when government creates a position which under the mystique works against the citizens, it is working against the purposet of the position.

    It is the fact that the government itself is corrupt to the point where they directly oppose the purpose of their own creation that puppets origate.

    1. Re:Respect? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but the purpose of the government is to meet the needs of said citizens.

      But that's just not true! It's up to you, and to me, to meet our own needs. There are certain select things that are best met by using our taxes and working with an authority than can act on our behalf. National defense is probably the single most important and appropriate example of that. That our nation absolutely faces real threats - large and puny - from people taking advantage of our highly networked society means that it's totally appropriate for an agency like DHS to have a person in the role mentioned. There's no "mystique" involved, other than that which you manufacturer just by saying it exists (without mentioning what exactly about that person's role is contrary to our interests).

      It is the fact that the government itself is corrupt to the point where they directly oppose the purpose of their own creation that puppets origate.

      Do you mean that the form of government (a republic) is inherently corrupt? It's got plenty of rough spots, but it's less corrupt than any other form of government yet seen. And when we don't like the way it's run, or what it costs, or how it does or doesn't defend us, we just swap out the employees for another set. That's the exact and ongoing cure for corruption. Certainly you don't want people selling overnights in the Lincoln Bedroom for political contributions, or taking large sums of campaign money from Chinese interests through California monestaries, or mysteriously "finding" long-ago-suboeonaed law firm records on a table in the White House, or using the last hour or two of your administration to issue pardons to aggregious international money launderers with family members funding your personal library project, or not liking the way that an election turned out and picking just a few zip codes where you know you might find more votes and getting a state court to invent some new rules allowing you to pick and choose how you want them counted... you're right, corruption is definately an issue to watch for.

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      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  49. He's doing your Mom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should be back online in a few minutes, she's not that good.

  50. What I find terrifying by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

    Is that you have accepted the existence of the DHS at all.

    1. Re:What I find terrifying by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      Is that you have accepted the existence of the DHS at all.

      As opposed to what? Ignoring it? That's a response that doesn't work - even for the ostrich.

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    2. Re:What I find terrifying by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      As opposed to what? Ignoring it?

      If I need to tell you, you'll never know.

    3. Re:What I find terrifying by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1
      You have to accept it's existence - it's real.

      What you don't have to do is recognize it's authority.

    4. Re:What I find terrifying by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      If I need to tell you, you'll never know.

      LOL ... you have got to be kidding. Though thanks for sparing me "If I told you, I'd have to kill you. " I suppose it's better to be out of the know than dead?

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    5. Re:What I find terrifying by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      Rather than see an implicit threat, why don't you think about the implicit statement that if you haven't figured for yourself out why the dhs should not be accepted, its most likely that no amount of painstaking, crayon-drawing-aided explanations are going to help you to understand, so why bother trying?

    6. Re:What I find terrifying by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      Rather than see an implicit threat, why don't you think about the implicit statement that if you haven't figured for yourself out why the dhs should not be accepted, its most likely that no amount of painstaking, crayon-drawing-aided explanations are going to help you to understand, so why bother trying?

      "Why bother trying?" You've gone to great lengths to explain why you will not articulate your point, including a stab at humor with the crayon remark. What this tells me is: 1) you don't have an argument, 2) you can't articulate your argument, or 3) it's an ideological derivative that you can't articulate because it's based on your political ideology and not an articulated position.

      I think it's 3 - so you're right - don't bother.

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    7. Re:What I find terrifying by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      Your initial inability to grasp the point, instead flying off on what can best be described as a wild tangent, moving on to accusations of conspiracy theories, and finishing up with a point by point analysis of your strawman take on the whole situation (with aspirations to verbosity), merely reinforce my position, which is that its not, indeed, worth my time to explain. That its worth my time to explain why I won't explain can probably be called feeding the trolls, which I think is a habit I should break.

  51. Citizens != Customers by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    We're CITIZENS, not customers! This is something that our current government seems to forget these days. Maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing, though, imagine the competition -- you don't like your vendor (Gov't), choose another one! Also, think about what service-level-agreements would be like -- imagine not having to pay taxes for this year, because your level of service wasn't up to snuff!

    That's what I'm talking about!

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    1. Re:Citizens != Customers by Kainaw · · Score: 1

      ou don't like your vendor (Gov't), choose another one!

      There's a thing called immigration. If you like another government more, it is YOUR responsibilty to move - that is unless you want to be the guy in Taco Bell complaining that the tacos don't taste like a Big Mac.

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  52. Re:Shit. by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1

    Spaceballs... Watch out, 'cause we're the Spaceballs! http://members.aol.com/houdini994/index6.html/

  53. Tom would be proud by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    Insert mandatory NetForce reference here.

    Of course, this is Homeland Security, and NetForce is supposed to be FBI and later DoD.

    1. Re:Tom would be proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that is the case then there isn't much to worry about considering how even with all their new powers they can barely find a few hookers in a whorehouse.

  54. I wonder who the first one hired will be? by Ferromancer · · Score: 1

    Probably a former employee of Claria Networks I'm sure :-/

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  55. Can we get Amit Yoran back? by Animats · · Score: 1
    For a while, DHS actually had someone with a clue in that job. But Amit Yoran got fed up and quit, because he didn't have enough clout to do anything. He'd previously been the head of Riptech, a security company he sold to Symantec.

    The current head of cybersecurity is a lawyer and TV producer. But he's a placeholder.

    The new guy will probably be from Microsoft.

    The new head of DHS, Chertoff, actually has more of a clue than his predecessor, and he's getting flak for it. Chertoff has been saying that we need to focus on ways somebody can kill thousands of people, and not waste effort on lower-priority threats like ordinary suicide bombers. This is unpopular politically. It means doing hard things like incoming freight container and truck inspection, instead of silly stuff like the "no fly list".

  56. okay, I'm waiting for the call by mswope · · Score: 1

    Or email. Surely they've seen my resume' on Monster.com...

  57. dhs bureaucracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    DHS already takes security seriously (/obvious), but bureaucracy makes compliance and documentation very tedious. Combine that with some VERY aggressive schedules, and the result should be obvious. The situation is usually made even more complex by the introduction of multiple contractors and subcontractors to perform the work, often at cross-purposes. I know these problems are not specific to DHS, but they are certainly very evident there.
    To the subject of TFA; from what I see of the DHS structure it should be useful to have someone to speak for infosec as something other than a means to an end. Cybersecurity is a goal, not just a tool. I hope the new Assistant Secretary is strong-willed and vocal, we need it. DHS has had a VERY high turnover rate in their IT management structure. We could use someone with a clear vision of what is needed.

  58. Czarist Tyranny by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    DHS has had a "cybersecurity" chief for years. The first one, Richard Clarke (with years of counterterrorism experience in successive White Houses), quit in disgust after his work and warnings were ignored. His successor, Amit Yoran left Symantec's security division for DHS, then quit in disgust after his work and warnings were ignored. Every cybersecurity czar has quit in disgust, saying the job was impossible. Now we've got a new guy, in a newly "tweaked" position, to be the cybersecurity czar. Stewart Baker was the NSA lawyer who championed the Clipper Chip, key escrow, and the "trust the government" approach to info security - while attacking crypto like PGP as a threat to national security.

    Somehow, I don't feel any safer with failed spook lawyers taking over from the counterterrorism and cybersecurity professionals.

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