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Happy Birthday, Amiga
Sebby writes "Today is the Amiga's 20th anniversary. Commodore officially introduced the Amiga 1000 with much fanfare at the Lincoln Center in New York on July 23, 1985. It was the most advanced computer of its day. The Amiga 1000 was originally conceived a few years earlier by a small California company called Amiga, Inc. and was financed by a group of Florida doctors looking to invest in a killer game machine."
It was the most advanced computer of its day.
Funny, I always thought the Cray-2, also released in 1985, held that title.
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I can remember back with the old systems like the Amiga. I was completely amazed when I first got to use one, and I thought that computers had reached perfection. Now if I was to show someone one they would laugh and think it was something a high school kid built in his garage.
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Now, my 3000 is relegated to playing Settlers once in a while.
I would expect many here to know, but people still do run Amiga hardware. In fact, when the company that made Fusion, a Macintosh 680x0 emulator, first started making a PPC emulator, they wrote it first to run with Amigas that were upgraded with PPC chips.
I don't get it.
The real problems that plagued the Amiga was the lack of cheap hard disks from Commodore, Later in the Amigas life the lack of memory protection started to plauge the users too... If they actually released, standardized the platform perhaps it would have helped...
On the otherhad the killer is that everyone that has bought the IP has either died, or promised to do something with it, and done nothing.
As a plus Amiga's gave rise to smart GPU's, offloaded IO & a better less cpu centric design of cheap computers.
Please... do not remind me. I still have an Amiga 3000 at home and my wife wants "to take that piece of junk out of the room".
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Debugging. Coolest system error name...
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Sigh.. had they marketed it right, we'd not be talking about MS Windows at all. A machine and OS far ahead of its time.
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..the Amiga was a nice machine for its time. I remember checking an A1000 out at a friends place many, many years ago. The graphics and sound on the machine were quite amazing, compared to what was available on the market. Sad that the Amiga never got the recognition it deserved.
20 years huh? Wow, I didn't realize it's been that long.
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Man, the red and black Guru Meditation screen is probably the creepiest error message I've ever seen. No soothing blue or green to be found there. :)
The most "advanced" computer at that time depends on what your criteria are. The systems from Cray and Amiga are very different, yet still both very advanced.
While the Cray-2 may have been the most efficient number crunching computer in 1985, the Amiga was the top of the line when it came to multimedia and workstation applications. So while the Cray-2 didn't offer the amazing multimedia capabilities of the Amiga, and the Amiga didn't offer the pure crunching power of the Cray-2, it isn't correct to say that either is more "advanced" than the other in all ways.
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I don't know if they all had this, but my Amiga 1000 (the one in the room in the original box) had signatures on the inside of the plastic cover. I recall a little dog footprint too.
I'm not sure what I'm saving the machine for though...if only I could get a variant of Unix to run on it...but its lack of a MMU made the 1000 ill equipped for modern OS's.
This poses another question- how long will a system last boxed up like that?
(This was from the site above -but I remember doing this on 1.2, with an original 1000).
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The Amiga always seemed to he the rich mans Commadore 64. I have no idea why but them little disks always seemed to be in the hands of rich kids where as us "normal" kids had tapes.
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Then again maybe that's just how I bitterly remember it because everyone with an Amiga had Lemmings and all I had was Flimbo's quest. Although it was quite impressive when it stopped working after an entire year of 12+ hours use a day..
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I remember seeing the demo model of the Amiga 1000 in a local "mom and pop" computer store before the production shipment. I was blown away. It was so much more advanced than any other home computer at that time, both graphically and OS (AmigaDos). I got on the waiting list for months, and I payed full list price, I believe about $1300. I needed the new high density floppies (1.2 MB) and payed $49.95 for a box of 10 floppies!! For a laugh, I still have that box with the price tag still on it. And I still have the Amiga 1000 sitting in a box somewhere. Later I added a 2 MB memory expansion which was another $450. Ah, the bad old day, which seemed so good 20 years ago.
I used to own an Amiga500 back in the day, and got me a A1200 when they were released. Everyone I knew who were into computers had an Amiga, PC:s were more or less unheard of and generally ridiculed as clunky, ugly and unsexy (to a bunch of greasy-haired computer nerds anyhow :) ).
...and you know, everything was a hell of a lot more fun back then. ;)
It always bugs me how the Amiga is forgotten when media - mainstream as well as trade press - do pieces on the "history" pf home computing. Back when no one outside universities and the military had heard of the "internet", and computers were considered wierd and anti-social, we were cruising BBS:s on our 1200 baud modems.
It is interesting to note that parts of AmigaOS were written in BCPL, due to its derivation from TRIPOS. BCPL was the predecessor for C, for those who weren't aware.
AmigaDOS was later rewritten in C for Kickstart/Workbench 2.0. Indeed, it is quite interesting to see that they could create such a fantastic workstation OS (often unmatched feature-wise until the late 1990s by Windows and Mac OS) in a high level language, and running on lower-end hardware.
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(Chiming in with all fellow retrospectives)
I grew up on an Amiga 500. It, as well as a friend's A2000 which I bought of of him some years later when I was making the switch to PC, are still sitting in my parents' house somewehre. =) (In fact, probably in almost pristine quality with a snapshot of the BBS that I was running on it some years later until the fateful day I decided to pull the plug and make some more desk space for the new Mac that had infiltrated and upstaged.)
My first introduction to computers was actually the QNX/Unisys ICON system in elementary school (yep, a networked system running a Unix-like operating system... something that *also* ahead of its time, well, kinda). Following that, the Commodore PET and 64 on which I learned BASIC and got my start in software development. =) A few years later, I was back to the ICONS where I started learning C in about grade 8, but through that time we had an Amiga in the house.
Ours was an A500 which Dad bought from the local Canadian Tire (!) and revealed as a surprise family Christmas gift in 1987. It was a phenomenal machine. I can still recall the school-yard conversations with my 286- and Mac SE-toting friends about how many simultaneous colours their computers could display ("16, eh? Howzabout FOUR THOUSAND NINETY SIX, foo'").
Ahh, good times.
Truly a revolutionary force in its day, though. The intervening years (death of Commodore, slow atrophy of the Amiga brand and innovation) were painful but inevitable to watch, kind of like a withering tree you know is past its prime and on its way.
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I loved my Amiga 1000 and even did some professional development for it. I kept it running for a great many years before it finally gave up the ghost. There were many things that contributed to it's demise, but one of them has to be it's over specialized hardware.
Part of what made it so awesome was how incredible it was at graphics. How perfectly tuned it was to making a video signal. Unfortunately that limited the design of the hardware, the speed of the processor. Even if you had a faster processor for it, everything had to slow down to 7.xxxx MHz (IIRC) when you hit the video interface.
Then the PC got better video cards, and I could just upgrade that one part. The Amiga was always playing catchup with custom designed chips tuned to the hardware. After a while it felt like they were always a day late and a dollar short. It was still an amazing machine for video, but for a general purpose system it had seriously lost it's luster.
Still I miss it...
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I had an apple and then went up to the amiga.
It had "HAM" graphics (hold and modify) so you could finally have real pictures (lots of porn of course).
It had true multi-tasking (not sure if windows has that yet- I think it got it with win2k). By true- I mean if one process dies, the machine didn't hang- that process did and everything else kept running with it's preemptive slice (come to think of it my win2k machine still hangs up for over a minute sometimes in azureus or when the virus scanner runs so win may not have preemptive multi-tasking yet).
It had an incredible battlemech game that we just played to death (probably helped some guys fail college).
It had a great networked tank game where you drove around a city blowing it up and hunting for your buddy's enemy tank- but the atari had one with smily faces that supported more people.
I wrote a shareware game for it (Spaaaaace Aaaace!) which was a space war clone with cool graphics and hit location- got a cease and desist order from "Bluth Enterprises" - they had a video tree game with the name B(. It was right about then that game started requiring 10-15 people to produce (since you needed real artists and musicians and the programs were so large you needed multiple programmers)
I got my first virus on the amiga. My buds didn't believe me until it happened to them- it spread via floppies but tended to make the floppies crash. It said
Something wonderful is happening
Your Amiga has come alive!
Great computer that commodore ruined.
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> Talking of which: is there a PC->Amiga 500 cross compiler?
You can find a nice step-by-step tutorial here.
www.6502asm.com - Code 6502 assembly or.. DIE!!
we had a club of all army guys that would meet once every 2 weeks on base. everyone would bring their games (on 3.5" disks) and some guy would sell stacks of blanks - 50 for $20 i think. and we would spend literally all day copying each other's games. i usually came home with 400 floppies to try out, and usually about 50 new good working games. there were also a few companies that listed every game in their catalog and sold "backup copies" including documentation for as little as $2.
i guess in a way we helped drive them out of business by not supporting the software developers but i made $600 a month. if i had to buy software for $30/title, it just wasn't goign to happen. i DID buy a few titles, mainly from psygnosis, who released just AWESOME games that were a decade ahead of their time. and other guys in the barracks saw me having so much fun, they went and got amigas too. these were totally computer illiterate guys who had never heard of a mouse, back in 1990.
we would set up very rudimentary LAN parties with 2 or 3 amigas connected by serial cable and play roller coaster racer all night... amazing fun. i remember the first time i saw populous. it was at about 8pm, and next thing i new it was 6am and time for exercise. i was tired but excited all day :)
i'm not surprised IBM won the PC race but i am sad and disappointed that the creativity and genius that went into games 15 years ago seems to be gone now. there used to be 20 or 30 new games every year that were totally original. now 1 original game like katamarcy darcy comes out and everyone talks about how great it is :( if only they knew...
actually i just played a (PC port of) an amiga game a couple days ago. i was surfing around and somehow saw a reference to Overlord, which was a great game for the amiga, really fun and creative graphics about taking over planets. anyway i googled around a little and discovered i could download and play it for free! the sound is PC speaker beeps instead of midi quality music and sound samples the amiga had, and the graphics arent quite as good but it still brings back fond memories :) http://www.mirsoft.info/gmb/music_info.php?id_ele= MTEyMDc=
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What planet were you living on? If people wanted to run 8086 software it was much cheaper to just buy an 8086 machine. Amiga had lots of selling points, and the sidecar was way down the list.
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I loved MOD music files. Thankfully, winamp can play them, too!
The amiga could do 4-channel music with sampled instruments, when PC's could just do bleeps and tweets. I still wonder why PC sound cards didn't emulate the amiga sound chip.
ok, i'm way too uninformed. apparently amiga produced a version of the A3000 that came with UNIX System V. this was the A3000UX, shown here and here. If someone has any bits of information in recollection of this machine could you inform us all. This is very interesting, I never knew this existed.
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I always thought of the MSX as Microsofts fledgling attempts to control home computer industry standards.
I have to say as a strategy it has been brilliantly realised after they learnt from their mistakes and decided to go the software route rather than trying to control the hardware.
It's in a box in the basement, but I have it. I fired it up a couple of years ago when I was reminiscing about the F/A-18 flight sim. I was remembering it as super-realistic, extremely responsive, and smooth to play. I fired it up, and got was looked like a 320x240 ascii art rendition of the Bay Area. Funny how your memory plays tricks on you.
Still, I remember spending/wasting hours/days flying around san francisco in a fully loaded F/A-18 - flying under the golden gate, buzzing the airport, carpet bombing alcatraz... those were the days...
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The Amiga was a fine example of the persistent techie belief that "better" should always win. It doesn't. We whacked our heads against that one for years in the Amiga market.
So we started out trumpeting the advantage of sound (few PCs had sound; the guys who eventually successfully marketed the original Sound Blaster were refugees from the Amiga market) or color (remember, VGA was rare and expensive when the Amiga was released) or video compatibility with deep color (Targa cards were rather static and very expensive) or windows (GEM? Windows 1.x?) or video manipulation or color desktop publishing or 3D animation or emulation (we had Mac, Win, DOS, Atari, etc.) or persistent RAM drives or hypertext help systems or any number of other whizzy features, and the PC and Mac marketroids would *successfully* say "Who needs that?". Rinse, lather, repeat.
The distillation of my Amiga market experience came from the lips of a drunken Amiga dealer at a party in 1992 or so. Of course, a popular topic of conversation at these events was discussing why the so-obviously-superior-to-us-annointed Amiga wasn't outpacing the Mac and PC in sales.
This dealer said of the past few years (at that time) that "It was like we were all from five years into the future, back in the days of radio."
I did say this guy was drunk, didn't I?
But he was right. It was as if we'd all seen what television was like, but we were trying to sell to people who really liked radio and couldn't imagine the value of audio plus moving pictures.
We all knew they'd want television someday, but it was always hard to hear they didn't want to buy it.
I have a developer A1000, serial number 36 or so.
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I have often said that had Apple been selling the Amiga, we'd all be running offshoots of that platform, rather than the PC. It was ten years ahead of its time, and I mean that almost literally; it wasn't until 1994, running Linux, that I could get even CLOSE to what I could do on my Amiga in 1985.
In looking back, it is amazing the number of things they absolutely nailed wih the Amiga. It was the first machine to use fully-programmable custom chips for sound and graphics support. That hardware was immensely powerful; it could do memory copies (the blitter), palette shifts (the "copper", and I don't remember why it was called that anymore), sprites, collision detection, four-channel stereo sound, and probably many other things I'm forgetting, without even using the main CPU at all. (well, except to set things up, at any rate.)
The system could display separate programs with separate resolutions and color palettes on the same screen at the same time. You could literally grab the Workbench screen and drag it down, revealing some cool demo running behind it..."Boing!" in the top half, Workbench in the bottom. This was done by some clever copper tricks... on the fly, over the space of about two scanlines, the copper would shift the entire display mode and palette, and start displaying screen data from a different arbitrary program.
Later, a variant on this technique was used to create the best graphics the Amiga could manage...Sliced HAM, or S-HAM. The default 'high color' graphics mode, HAM, could have any 32 base colors out of the palette of 4,096. Any pixel could either have one of the base colors, or it could H)old the color of the previous pixel A)nd M)odify either the red, green, or blue component. S-HAM took this a step further, and swapped the base 32 colors on *every scan line*, so that you could have many more colors available. Some of the S-HAM pictures were absolutely stunning. It did, however, put a huge load on the graphics hardware... the machine really crawled when running that mode. So it was really only useful for slideshows... you couldn't animate that mode, to my knowledge.
Then, on top of that, they mostly nailed the OS. There were three major components to the AmigaOS; Exec, Intuition, and AmigaDOS.
Exec was the multitasking core, what we'd probably think of as the kernel in Linux land. It was immensely efficient. The task switching method that RJ Mical came up with was so fast that it ended up going into the Motorola programming manuals. I can't find the numbers offhand, but I believe the Amiga could task switch in less than twenty clock cycles. Whatever the actual number was, it was FAST.
Intuition provided the windowing libraries; it was what kept windows properly layered and coordinated, and routed user input. That would be roughly the equivalent of X, though much simpler. Workbench, the built-in graphic UI, was an optional load; you could stay in 'console mode' if you wished. The Amiga had no true text-only mode, however. Even if you had just a single CLI window open with nothing else, it was still drawn in graphics mode. (scrolling on the Amiga was never very fast because of this).
AmigaDOS, I believe, did all the disk and file I/O. It was rather Unixish, but it was very slow and had an absolutely horrible user interface. (Fortunately, it was easy to replace the DOS programs with better ones, and most people who really used their machines did so.) Filesystems were abstracted too, which was a good thing.... the early filesystem on the Amiga was very fragile and very slow. Later on, the Fast File System was introduced, which sped things up a heck of a lot. With FFS, hard drives were quite comfortable, but floppies were never very good. There were many special custom loaders that sped things up (much like on the C64), but the floppies were always slow, no matter what.
Of the three major components of the OS, AmigaDOS was the weakest, and was responsible for a lot of the early (justified) griping about the pl
Sometimes I wish that I had kept at least one of my Amigas but I threw away Amiga 2000HD a year and a half ago and gave my CD32 to a local thrift store.
My progression in computers went from MSDOS->AmigaDOS 1.3-3.1->Windows 95-XP->OS 10.2-10.4.
The Amiga platform is dead but I will always have a warm place in my heart for those days.
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The Amiga was a good system but so was the Atari ST. The only problem was that both were designed to compete against each other, not the PC and MAC. It didn't matter if the Amiga or ST had superior graphics or sound or multitasking the Mac already had its share of the market as well as the PC.
I owned an ST and had no problems with Amiga owners. Both systems had great applications as well as games. But the PC ended up as the one who took the games crown from both even though it was inferior for its time.
I still use my ST and I hope all those Amiga users with Slashdot use their systems as well. We have a good history to look back upon as well as a lot of fun!
While it is true that TOS was much simpler than AMigaDOS, I have to point several inacuracies/ommisions:
- Atari's RF shield was NOT soldered on. At least not in typical case. I must have serviced/expanded at least 500+ various Atari ST's (ST,STM, STFM, Mega ST etc) and I have NEVER seen soldered-on RF shield on Atari.
They had hinges in some 10 places ( which needed to be straightened up before separating halves of the shield) ant they were screwed-on to the bottom plastic part of the computer.
I used to be able to take Atari apart in less than five minutes without special effort.
-Although with theoretically weaker graphics, Atari ST was much more suitable for serious CAD or DTP work, since it had really nice monochrome monitor- SM-124. With it relatively long persistance phosphor and solid 72 Hz refresh rate, it was quite suitable for long work hours.
All that Amiga was capable of (at least with off-the shelf-equipment) was 50 Hz on low-persistence colour monitor (or 60 Hz in the US, with lower resolution) and if one wanted to use hers much praised high resolution modes, he had to risk epileptic attack with 25/30 Hz refresh rate ( two interlaced halves at 50/60 Hz), when picture was blinking like hell.
Besides, all that multitasking and nice graphics didn't come without the price. Atari's 68000 ran on full 8 MHz and in practice it was measurably faster than Amiga.
Also TOS was not a problem for ST, since on could burn alternative TOS in eproms and stick them in the machine and thet was before TOS-2.0.7, which came in with IDE disk support...
I liked Atari much better than Amiga for its simplicity and focus on the goal- to have as fast machine as possible per given budget and graphics useable for office work.
Had a friend that I met through the Amiga that developed Disk Mechanic for the Amiga. Eric Quackenbush. He was independent before he went to Greater Valley Products to develop for them. He was a HELL of a programmer. Last I heard he was doing things for OS/2 but this had to be 10 years ago.
I remember I had lured some guys from Pixar to a Chicago Amigafest to see if they wanted to port Renderman to the Amiga. The Amigafests were small affairs compared to the Apple or Microsoft ones back then, but I got a guy to fly out to it. He was nice and everything, but you could tell he thought it was kinda small-time. He was polite and suggested that we just make a Renderman compliant renderer for the Amiga. And looking back he was right, the Amiga just didn't have the horsepower to run Renderman at the time.
This was when Alan Hastings had just come out with Lightwave for NewTek...having hired Alan after his Videoscape 3D was a semi hit. Videoscape had competition from Sculpt-Animate 4D and Turbo-Silver 3D. But it was Lightwave that really broke through. This was in the days when it was a single guy doing all the programming/developing for the product. Remember them? Alan had very little help when developing Videoscape and I believe he had a partner join him in making the first version of Lightwave. Newtek was the center of the Amiga universe at the show with the VideoToaster and Lightwave.
I miss that really. It was a small group of very rabid fans that loved this machine. I used to go to Amiga user group meetings and met a lot of really friendly people. But all good things come to an end. I just wished the Amiga had a more dignified death.
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I used and programmed both the ST and Amiga extensively, and the comparison isn't as clear-cut as you make it sound. They both had their strengths.
The ST definitely got you a working computer for less money. The Atari monitors (at least the early ones) were high quality. The ST operating system was easy to use, easy to program. It also made efficient use of processor power -- my Amiga wasn't as responsive as my ST until after I dropped in a 68020 card, effectively quadrupling the main processor power. And the ST had great programming languages. My personal favorites were GFA Basic and Laser C. There was nothing as polished on Amiga, and one handy reference book was all you needed for most Atari ST application development.
By way of comparison. . . The Amiga had better and more flexible graphics, amazingly better audio, far better expandability on some models (like the A2000, but you paid a premium for it). Double-sided floppies were standard, so you could distribute software on them. Amiga OS right up through Workbench 1.3 was ugly and awkward. After that it got better for users, and it was more powerful and flexible than Atari TOS -- but Amiga OS remained brutally hard to program, and you needed about 15 pounds of reference manuals. There were lots of programming environments offered for the Amiga, but all of them had a half-baked quality (with the notable exception of CanDo, but it was too expensive for most people).
Incidentally, the biggest thing I miss from Amiga is the screens system, and the custom screens. It bugs me that none of the other major operating systems -- not a one -- ever came up with anything similar, to this very day.
Does anybody remember when Amiga was the premier platform for computer games? There was a stretch of several years when all the best games appeared first on Amiga, the Atari ST was often right there with it (or a close second), and then some of the games eventually trickled down to MS-DOS PCs. The PC in that era didn't have the graphics or audio capabilities to match Amiga, or even the main processor power for that matter (i.e. 68000 versus 8088).
Somebody told me a story about going to a computer show and seeing all the PCs struggling to run crummy CGA/EGA games. There were Amigas at the show. . . but they were forbidden from running games! Commodore thought if Amiga was seen running games, it would ruin their reputation with big business customers!
Amiga users got the first crack at classics like Shadow of the Beast, Populous, The Settlers, Lemmings, NY Warriors, Battle Squadron, Stunt Car Racer, Turrican II, Cannon Fodder and too many other great games to list.
As time went by, and Amiga hardware became more outdated without any meaningful upgrades, the PC gradually caught up. I think Wing Commander was the turning point. It was on the PC first, and your basic Amiga couldn't handle it. From that time on, the PC was the top dog of computer gaming, while Amiga and Atari ST faded away.