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Windows Vista Faces Lawsuits

WindozeSux writes "When tech company Vista discovered the title for the new Windows Operating System version, company founder John Wall was not amused. John Wall may take this to court because he knows of how protective Microsoft is over their trademarks. From the article: 'A Microsoft spokesman said the company chose Vista from a list developed by the Windows team, based on attributes of the new software. Among its primary selling points are new tools for searching and viewing the contents of a PC; communications features; and a lighter desktop appearance with transparent objects.'"

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  1. Preemptive strike... by jmcmunn · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Sue for the name, or be sued I guess. Sounds like they have a case for the trademark being theirs as a name, but these cases always seem silly to me. Clearly "Windows Vista" is not the same as "Vista" the software company. It's doubtful anyone is going to confuse them.

    On the other hand, you damn well bet if I happened to own a company by the name of the up-and-coming Windows OS, I would be making sure my name was EVERYWHERE right about the time the new OS came out. Hell, I'd even offer to sell them the name for $500 million or something, make it worth my time.

    1. Re:Preemptive strike... by RoadkillBunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly "Windows Vista" is not the same as "Vista" the software company.

      Neighter is Microsoft Windows and Lindows.

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    2. Re:Preemptive strike... by Linus+Torvaalds · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly "Windows Vista" is not the same as "Vista" the software company.

      That will be Microsoft's position right up until such time as Windows Vista is large enough to be the dominant name in the industry, and then they'll just turn around and sue him for infringing on their Windows Vista trademark.

    3. Re:Preemptive strike... by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Yes, but Lindows was created (the idea and name) in order to woo current Windows owners into switching to an OS that sounds similar and is hyped as being easy to use etc...

      Lindows was something created after Windows, and was meant to use the name to draw customers. There is a clear diference here. Vista is an existing company with (as I understand) an entirely different product in a non-competing market.

      (oh, and I have nothing against Lindows at all, it is just not a valid argument IMHO)

    4. Re:Preemptive strike... by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except if "Vista" the software company ever puts out a piece of software and writes in big letters "Vista Flabbledygooker" on the box, it becomes potentially confusing. And it's going to be especially annoying if they have to write in nearly-as-big letters, "Not Windows(TM) Vista compatible" to keep from getting billions of angry letters.

    5. Re:Preemptive strike... by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      these cases always seem silly to me.

      Lawyers make laws.
      Lawyers make laws designed to create business for lawyers.

      Personally, I find these law suits horrible, depressing, and a clear example of corruption of the legal system.

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    6. Re:Preemptive strike... by surprise_audit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But also, if Vista has already trademarked their name, they *have* to defend it, or lose it.

    7. Re:Preemptive strike... by toddbu · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ... an entirely different product in a non-competing market

      My understanding is that "a different market" means where there is no confusion on the part of a consumer or that there is no damage to the brand. I think that Vista could easily make the case that their brand will be damaged. Imagine calling a prospective client and introducing yourself as a software company called "Vista". If the prospective client knows about Windows Vista, what will be their reaction? Whether it's positive, neutral, or negative, there's clearly brand confusion. This isn't like Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Money where you're prefixing a common word with the company name to create a new brand. If Vista is a trademarked name for any type of software, I think Microsoft has a long uphill battle.

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    8. Re:Preemptive strike... by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I find your ignorance horrible, depressing, and a clear example of not knowing a goddamn thing about the legal system.

      Congress makes laws, not "lawyers." Though a large percentage of Congressmen/women are/were lawyers, they don't make laws to make lawyers money. They make laws to, in theory, make life function more smoothly. Imagine this scenario: You go into a store to buy some mouthwash. You see a bottle of Scope and a bottle of Scope. Which do you choose? You don't know you say? You can't tell the difference you say? Well that's because in your world there are no laws that protect trademarks and thus any yahoo can throw bleach into a bottle, put "Scope" on it, and everyday schmoes end up gargling with Clorox. In my world, a trademark tells me that the bottle that says Scope is the same stuff I bought yesterday from a reputable company. Laws serve a purpose. You may question them from time to time, but I guarantee they were created by people smarter than you and likely with more forethought.

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    9. Re:Preemptive strike... by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      (oh, and I have nothing against Lindows at all, it is just not a valid argument IMHO)

      Mike Rowe soft ?

    10. Re:Preemptive strike... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You could argue that Microsoft Windows and a software company called Windows are also different but I bet you wouldn't get far calling your software company 'Windows'.

    11. Re:Preemptive strike... by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First, the law has become so complex and convoluted that a layman has no chance of knowing his rights and obligations without the help of a lawyer.

      Newsflash: Life is complicated. The law reflects an attempt to deal with life. Example: The law starts out simple: no vehicles in the park. What does it mean? No motorized vehicles? No bicycles? If the intent of the law was to protect people in the park, that means bicycles are banned because someone could easily injure someone else using a bicycle. If it is to preserve the grass, bicycles are probably fine, but cars are not. That's all well and good until Dean Kamen comes along and invents the segway. Well, what do we do with the law there. Life is complex and evolves. The law has to be the same. People that think the law can be boiled down to something simple like the ten commandments are naive.

      Second, there are many laws which clearly do not exist to reduce the potential for conflict.

      I'll let the first fly since you make a general statement about the law. This one though is bunk. Since you assert that there are "many laws" that "clearly do not exist" to reduce conflict, I invite you to name some. What laws exists to promote conflict or at the very least, let it remain status quo? As for the courts, well it's the court's job to interpret the laws. There are so,e things that should be left to the court to decide because there isn't an on-point ruling on it. Courts are part of the checks and balances. If they weren't there, Congress could pass any law it wanted.

      I said "in theory" because I am not hopelessly naive and pro-law. But the system is not nearly as corrupt as /.'ers think it is. 99% of the people here get their law from /. which might as well refer to it as "MS-law" because people bash any law-related action on sight. gg, slashbot.

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    12. Re:Preemptive strike... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The point isnt that people will confuse the two, the point is name recognition. When people think Vista, Microsoft will want them to think of Microsoft Vista, while the other company will want people to think of them.

      Monster, the A/V cable company, went on a legal rampage not long ago, suing almost everyone with a simular name. Most of the cases were settled outside of court, but I assure you that Windows will attempt to crush all that use their product name after it is launched in much the same matter; and no one wants to face the highest paid lawyers in the country.

      Does anyone really think that if the software company was created after Windows Vista that Microsoft wouldnt try to sue?

  2. I think.. by SocialEngineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MS deserves to be sued for picking such an un-attractive name for an OS. :P

    Windows 2000? Yeah, that works. XP? Sure. ME? Not great, but it is better than "Vista". How many people are going to actually know what "Vista" means, anyway? I'd put 20 on people thinking that the newest incarnation of Windows is some spanish distribution.

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    1. Re:I think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, Joe Public is a completely uneducated moron.

    2. Re:I think.. by Eric604 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Y'know, it's not Microsoft's fault for assuming that Joe Public isn't some completely uneducated _moron_ who doesn't know the basic vocabulary of the english language.

      They don't have to assume anything, only stick to the facts. Like usually ms is assuming too much and ignoring the facts.

  3. Interesting post, but.... by SwiftWind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The poster's nickname kind of kills the objectivity on this one.

    I still think Microsoft should pay up for their mistake, but when someone with this kind of nickname posts about microsoft, its bound not to sound objective or credible.

  4. I don't blame him by Linus+Torvaalds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right now, the name can be changed without Microsoft caring too much. If it gets to release time, there is no way in hell Microsoft will change the name. They'll just throw lawyers at him until he gives in. If it doesn't work in the USA, they'll harass him in other countries.

    Right now, he's got a clear advantage. If he makes every move to completely stop their use of the mark 'Vista' (as opposed to licensing it to them or something), then they'll probably change the name sharpish. But if he shows any sign of weakness, they'll just steamroller him into submission.

  5. Re:BAM! by MonkeyOfRage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone think this will stop Microsoft from pulling similar stunts?

    Stop them? It'll reinforce the value of pulling the stunt first.

  6. Re:Don't they know about www.uspto.gov? by nathanmace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe because Microsoft doesn't care?

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  7. Re:Don't they know about www.uspto.gov? by kaan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see your point, and for the rest of the world, I think it applies. But Microsoft doesn't really have a solid track record of doing things the way other entities do. Instead, they've established an undeniable reputation of doing whatever the f*ck they want, no matter what anybody thinks about it. If anybody has a problem with 'em, Microsoft will happily take it to court and drag it out until you can't afford to fight it, or they'll just buy you out up front (everyone has their price, and Microsoft is sure to find out how much).

    I almost feel bad for Microsoft that the name is so important. I mean, they just don't get it - if you make a really good product, your name will not matter. Especially if you make a really good product and most computers on the planet already use it. I mean, look at Apple (not trying to be fanboy here), but how exciting of a name is OS X? Yeah, there are the code names - Tiger, Panther, etc. - but it's just a neutral, numeric name. X is the roman numeral for 10, which followed OS 9, which followed OS 8, which followed System 7, and System 6, etc. People who use Macs and swear by them couldn't care less what the goddamn name is, and Apple knows this. Microsoft, on the other hand, has problably spent millions of dollars on positioning research, market analysis, an army of lawyers to research everything under the sun, etc.

    It's just sad. They so, so, so don't get it.

  8. Re:Don't they know about www.uspto.gov? by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how exciting of a name is OS X?

    The brandname is actually MacOS X. Transitioning to a new OS can be very risky (and there's numerous failed attempts in computing history), so Apple obviously wanted to emphisize you were still using MacOS (even though you weren't :). That way the installed base would see it as a "natural upgrade" rather than "a change to something different".

    So, no, it's not like Apple doesn't care about branding (are you fuckng kidding?!?) -- "OS X" was a fairly boring name by design.

    In Microsoft's case, it is not a new OS, so it's better to have a different sounding name to get people's attention. Using a real word makes a distinction from the old 98/ME/NT/XP mumble-jumble.

    Now, if you want terrible branding with no particular logic, try "OS/2" (one of those failed new OSes I alluded to.)

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  9. Vista... by EEBaum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because, whether you like it or not, you're likely to say, "Wow, look at that."

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  10. Re:BAM! by fvbommel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    [...] This way you can take a cut of their profits from the products already sold, and tell them that your own business is 'irreparably damaged' because of the confusion.

    Why sue BEFORE any money has been made?!? That's just a warning.


    I dunno, maybe they fear their business might actually be irreparably damaged? That's not a good thing, you know.

  11. Re:What about Apple? by fbg111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or Windows XP ME...

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