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Firefox Downloads Reach 75 Million

WindozeSux writes "Today Mozilla Firefox has reached its 75 millionth download. The Mozilla staff find this a morale booster since recent security vulnerabilities have slightly lowered the browser's growth rate. 'We're beefing up the management on the project. The project is still very healthy. We're seeing continued corporate interest and have a lot of large organizations that want to do deployments,' said Chris Hoffman."

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  1. Diversity and competition is the Important Thing by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a Good Thing. Not because everyone has to use Firefox instead of IE/Opera/Safari/whatever, but because this forces authors to create more standard compliant sites which work on multiple platforms.

    Good stuff.

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  2. relevance by R.D.Olivaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the relevance of the number of downloads? Someone might download it 4 times to install it at his 4 PC an another might download it once and install it on his company's 200 stations.

    1. Re:relevance by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What is the relevance of the number of downloads?

      Well, that's a valid point but short of requiring every Firefox user to register, how do you reliably gather usage statistics?

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    2. Re:relevance by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many millions of Debian users will get their FireFox packages as a .deb, this counts as a single download.
      There is quite a bunch of Gentooites, RedHatters, Susians, Fedora-wearing folk and so on...

      On the other hand, aware Windows users will re-download FireFox every time that icon in upper right corner of the browser flashes.

      Just as you say, the download count is simply useless.

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    3. Re:relevance by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's important to note, that the counter DOES NOT count if it detects a download from a firefox browser (user_agent), so generally the firefox update stuff doesn't count...

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    4. Re:relevance by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the previous months, I've downloaded FireFox 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05, 1.06! As FireFox does not download a patch for a security update and one has to download the whole thing again (quite silly in my opinion), does these 6 downloads count as 1 or as 6 in Mozilla's book?
      It would be interesting to see a graph of downloads versus date. If you count as six downloads, then the graph would likely show bumps for a few days following each release. If you count as only one, then the graph would be smoother. In fact I count as zero, because I use third-party (amano) downloads that support MNG.

  3. Can Firefox be marketed? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I mean is, is there some valuable component or application of Firefox that can be used by product or service companies beyond the basic browser application? IE, for example, is a modular browser component that can be reused in private applications. Linux is useful in a broad range of products/services that aren't simply desktop and server operating systems.

    Is Firefox modular enough to break out valuable, reusable parts and implement something new out of them?

    I use Firefox on most of my computers, so I'm responsible for about 5 of those 75 million downloads. 30, if they are counting each patch too.

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    1. Re:Can Firefox be marketed? by BlueLightning · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, there is the Mozilla ActiveX project. You can embed the Mozilla ActiveX control into any application to add built-in browsing functionality, just like you can with the IE one (shdocvw).

    2. Re:Can Firefox be marketed? by shobadobs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks, because I was really worried! I can rest easy now.

  4. Re:Diversity and competition is the Important Thin by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Informative

    I sincerely hope so, because I'm well and truly sick of this sort of situation.

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  5. The competition isn't coming. by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Informative

    And guess what, Firefox is going to keep growing! Why? Because IE7 is a rubbish. Before you mod this flamebait, let me explain why. Here is a screenshot of IE7 beta. Examine it closely. Here are my issue with it:

    1. Where the fuck is the refresh button? After ten minutes you work out it's the little button next to the right of the URL entry bit.
    2. Why is the menu Below the tabs. I find this inconsistent and confusing. Worst of all, there's no way to put it in it's proper position.
    3. Have Microsoft dropped it's entire design team, the tabs look simply awful. That little grey bit to the right of the tabs allows you to create a new tab by clicking on it. That's fairly cool, but holy shit it just looks wrong.
    4. The home icon on the left hand side of the screen is in that default position, unexpanded, where did my Favourites go or everything else go?
    5. If this is it, what took so freaking long?

    Seriously, this looks like it was designed by an amateur software development team. This is meant to be the Firefox killer? Firefox is showing that a monopoly doesn't guarentee you a browser monopoly. Is IE7 going to stop the rot? I doubt it very much. Firefox looks and feels better. Hats off to the Firefox team.

    Simon.

    1. Re:The competition isn't coming. by Ckwop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So your saying that IE7 is rubbish because it doesn't look nice? It's still in beta FFS! I know a lot of people on Slashdot hate Microsoft but this is getting ridiculous.

      Anybody can write a program, writing a program that is easy for a non-literate person to use is a real challenge.

      We live in a world where people judge everything by the way it looks. People buy Ipods because they look and feel better than the competition even though there are high capacity, longer battery life alternatives.

      Even if we discount the visual side of IE, it's still rubish. It's so far away from standard compliance that it might aswell be considered it's own platform. It delivered full PNG support half a decade too late. ActiveX needs no introduction. It's crap, and this version is no better.

      Simon.

    2. Re:The competition isn't coming. by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me guess: you don't write software?

      Minor interface issues like where to place buttons by default (which can probably be customized anyway) is the least of your problems when developing a browser. The big issues are things that you can't see without examining the code, like how the rendering engine decides which layout algorithm to use depending on the CSS display and float properties. Etc. etc. etc.

      In short: You're reacting like you are saying a house is crap because it's ugly, at the stage the walls haven't even been painted yet.

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    3. Re:The competition isn't coming. by Netsensei · · Score: 3, Funny

      Am I the only one that notices the difference between the IE7 'home' button and the one from FF? Examine it closely, the only 'real' differences are the makeshift chimney and the absence of windows. I - for one - wouldn't trust a home with no windows and a chimney. This is especially disturbing for the elderly!

      In conclusion: IE7 makes you go bald and infertile. Your wife *will* leave you and your cat will most likely vomit on your keyboard. (can I have a cookie now?)

    4. Re:The competition isn't coming. by Antony.S · · Score: 4, Informative

      "FYI, the menu bar is below the tab bar so it can stay contextual to the document being viewed in that tab, be it a PDF, a Word document or an Excel sheet. It's a simple switch that affords a great increase in versatility with no practical downsides, and you're knocking it simply because firefox does it differently and you don't like the look of it? Bitch please."

      What the fuck? Firefox does it differently? The entire Microsoft product line since Windows 95 does it different.

    5. Re:The competition isn't coming. by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You should design the user interface THEN code the rest of the functionality around that.

      No. You should determine the use cases for your application and THEN design the both UI and the funtionality around those.

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    6. Re:The competition isn't coming. by goldspider · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Because IE7 is a rubbish. Before you mod this flamebait,"

      Yeah, because around these parts, you need to choose your words carefully when criticizing Microsoft.

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  6. Security is so backwards sometimes by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where I am currently working at, they tried to get rid of all the firefox on all the systems. Even if you upgraded to current, they did not want anybody on it, unless you had a business reason. So what was the browser of choice? MSIE.


    Funny thing is that in 6 months that I have worked here is the only time since 1993-94 that I have been on Windows. I have seen no less than 5 system be massively infected because of MSIE (in a group of 20). Huge amounts of work had to be discarded (can not have virus/spyware getting into this software), which probably cost this company no less than 100K (and that is just what I am aware of. I have heard that it happens here constantly).


    Yet, they discard Firefox, which I heard that they can not prove infected even one system (but they can prove that those 5 system were through MSIE, and the sys ads think all the others were as well).

    Insane.

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  7. About that... by Rie+Beam · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Mozilla staff find this a morale booster since recent security vulnerabilities have slightly lowered the browser's growth rate.
    ...about that...Seventy-four million of those were me - you see, I've got AOL, and it has a tendency to disconnect me mid-download, so a lot of that was probably me trying to get a full copy. But hey! There's always next month.
  8. It's a big number. by MarkByers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And when I install I from portage it is also not counted. In fact most Linux users are probably not counted, since most use things like apt-get, emerge, or whatever.

    What is the relevance? It gives an idea of the popularity of the product. The number is big, and still increasing. That is all that matters.

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    1. Re:It's a big number. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      The number is big, and still increasing.


      Well, I for one would be really surprised if it started declining.
  9. Promoters by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry.
    With a huge corporation doing everything they can to support Firefox, how can it fail?
    The day MS changes its tactics I may start to worry.

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  10. Some advice to the Firefox team by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep it simple.

    The biggest danger to Firefox is that you forget the key reasons people like this browser... compact, fast, and secure.

    It's the "winamp" lesson.

  11. It also looks like users not only install by jurt1235 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but also seem to use it more often. Downloading installing and then decide to not use it (IE is simpler/used to/plays my favourite spyware better) happens a lot too. However in januari about 10% of the pages was views with firefox on my webserver (mix of restaurants, IT, realestate, blogs ea companies use it), The last two months that has risen to about 15%. See http://totalweb.edusupport.nl/usage_200507.html for the stats (near bottom for browser stats).

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  12. Perspective by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firefox has been downloaded 75 million times. Many of these were upgrades from previous versions, which had already been counted.

    Over 500 million songs have been purchased and downloaded from the iTunes Music Store. Many of these were purchased by the same person who had previously downloaded other iTMS songs (and often, the songs were part of an album and not purchased separately).

    These really have nothing to do with each other, but it's sort of startling to consider the popularity of Firefox, which many of us depend on all the time and is free, compared to the popularity of something like the iTunes Music Store, which many of us never intend to give a dime to (draconian DRM and all that).

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    1. Re:Perspective by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, actually, no... First of all, as has been said approximately 75 million times, no, the upgrades are NOT included. Not included. No. 75 million is a good approximation on the number of users Firefox has, although it has both false positives (redownloading) and false negatives (one download, many installs, linux users, etc). 75 million is the only number we have and it's about right.

      500 million songs is downloaded songs. Not downloads of iTunes. It's very probable that the average user has downloaded more than 6,67 (500/75) songs each, which would make Firefox more popular than iTunes.

      Now consider that Firefox still has some kind of "scary open source thing only for nerds, why would I need it when IE works prefectly fine" ring to it's name, and iTunes is just "Look ma, I'm downloading songs legally", I'd say that the Firefox 75 million number is pretty darn impressive!

  13. Stupid Firefox fanboy! by Winckle · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm trying to look at your screenshot, but IE6 doesn't even say there's a picture there, what the fuck is png, everyone knows pictures are .jpg!

  14. Re:More Accurate by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suppose the most significant statistic for web developers would be: what proportion of browser requests to my site originate from browsers others than IE?

    It is the growth of this number that will motivate the development of more standards-compliant web pages.

    Problem is, browsers can "lie" about their identity (usually to pretend to be IE) - a practice that itself will only decline when IE is no longer the assumed "standard".

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  15. XUL by Trevelyan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Firefox is built on xul, so any os that runs firefox can run your xul app.
    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/
    http://www.xulplanet.com/

    Also as to components you can use in your apps. There is the render engine:
    http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/
    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/GRE.html
    Or the script engine, rhino
    http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/

  16. Firefox Download Counters by webslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Spread firefox community has helped to develop firefox download counters which can track the exact number of downloads in real time.

  17. I use Firefox! Why? by Saggi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use Firefox! Why? - is the question we should answer.

    If a browser is going to embrace the market (open source or not) it needs to add value to the users of the browser. If it's named IE, Firefox or something else is a secondary effect. (I know a lot of us here on SlashDot might use it just because it's cool).

    Firefox has in my opinion 3 major advances: Tabbed browsing (when you tried it, you will never live without it again), better security and customization/extras abilities. You may have additional advances, but these are the ones I favor.

    When I say better security, its not only a question about how many security holes there are in the browser, its also a question in regards to how many browsers are out there. To target IE is much smarter than some "minor" browser. Of cause this benefit will slowly decrease as Firefox becomes more popular.

    Customization is an other issue. You may adjust IE, but the extras for Firefox are really good. I'm not even sure they can be made to IE (at least they are not easy to make). My Firefox is loaded with extensions. And the ones I use are of my own choice (you'll probably have your own favorite list). This option is not available in IE in the same degree. Some likes themes as well. I use the browser daily, so for me it's important to have a very functionally theme rather than a fancy one. (I use a very tiny one to get better space).

    When I first installed Firefox I went to my own website (www.rednebula.com), and was disappointed as the layout collapsed... but as I checked the html, I realized that it often was due to errors in my html code that IE simply ignored. Now my website has been tuned to both Firefox and IE, giving better and nicer html... a nice secondary effect.

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    1. Re:I use Firefox! Why? by zerocool^ · · Score: 3, Informative


      You need to dumb it down.

      When I tell people they need to use firefox, and they ask why?, this is my answer:

      If you use firefox, you'll get less spyware. Spyware comes from 2 sources: downloading it on purpose, and through bugs in internet explorer. Since IE is tied in so closely with windows, any time there's a bug, it usually leaks over into windows, and that's how they get spyware on your system. If you use firefox, it's just a program. I think it has less bugs in it, but even if it does have bugs, they're less likely to get into windows.
      So, 1.) Don't download weather bug or screen savers, etc, because a lot of times, spyware piggybacks on them, and 2.) Use firefox.

      It's technical enough to get across the point that there's a lot of shit going on in the background that they don't need to know about, but it's simple enough that any moron can understand it, and still feel like they know something special, something l33t about computers.

      ~Will

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  18. Fascinating by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All the people who I've showed FF are superhappy as they feel their PCs perform better now they understand IE brings in most of their nastyware and they tell about it to their friends, or customers. (A friend at the Blackberry / 3G helpdesk of VodaPhone redirects now everyone having some sortof browsing probs to FF's website to get a copy as she herself feels FF has solved alot of her frustrations.)

    I find it a fascinating statement, as were people ACTIVELY go out to find a browser even when there's one preinstalled.

    It's a very strong statement...

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  19. Firefox market share and versions by webplay · · Score: 4, Informative

    Latest data on Firefox market share and versions from a popular (100,000+ unique visitors/day) general-interest site I own, collected in the last 2 days:

    Share of pageviews (including robots): 12.3%
    Share of pageviews (excluding robots): 13.0%

    Most popular versions:
    1.7.8 on XP: 23%
    1.7.10 on XP: 20%
    1.7.5 on XP: 12%
    1.7.2 on XP: 5%
    1.7.8 on NT: 5%
    1.7.x on OS X: 4%
    1.7.7 on XP: 4%
    1.7.9 on XP: 3%
    1.4 on XP: 2%
    1.7.3 on XP: 2%
    1.7.10 on NT: 2%
    1.7.5 on NT: 1%
    1.7 on XP: 1%
    1.7.8 on Win 98: 1%
    1.7.6 on NT: 1%
    1.7.10 on Win 98: 1%
    1.7.10 on Linux: 1%

    Firefox users running the latest version: ~25%

    1. Re:Firefox market share and versions by baadger · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those confused by parents version numbers, Firefox actually contains the Mozilla version number (and rightly so).

      Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.9) Gecko/20050711 Firefox/1.0.5

      Measuring statistics on the Gecko/Mozilla engine just makes more sense than tagetting Firefox version numbers.

  20. Same here/ by aug24 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my last contract we were not permitted FF, and had to use IE on the grounds that the IS team had not done a security review of FF, but they had of IE. The policy was simply 'better the devil you know'.

    I could see their point, up till I asked when they were going to do a review of FF - and they said they weren't.

    I think some people just like banging their head on the wall at work, for the feeling of pleasure they get when they stop and go home.

    Justin.

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  21. Here's how to make it accurate... by wbren · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Firefox team should just use the Windows Genuine Advantage© Program to validate users, allowing one download per licensed machine. That way, only Javascript hackers will be able to fudge the download numbers. Simple. I should be a marketing exec.

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  22. Okay then by Coppit · · Score: 3, Funny
    I guess I can kill this process...

    #!/bin/sh

    while true; do
    curl -L 'http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0. 6&os=osx&lang=en-US' > /dev/null;
    done

  23. In related news.... by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In related news: IE reaches 75 million security patches.

  24. Here comes the beef by Medievalist · · Score: 3, Funny
    "We're beefing up the management on the project" said Chris Hoffman.
    And that ALWAYS helps a software project.

  25. "Look and feel" isn't a throwaway trait by theurge14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many people make the mistake of thinking that "look and feel" of any product is just some shallow cosmetic thing that only ADD afflicted 14 year olds care about.

    The thing is, on average, something like the issue of a 15 hour battery and a 24 hour battery only affect the user once or twice in a long period of time, but a horrible interface affects end users every single time they use the product.

    I've seen people complain about how their "computer is broken and sucks", only to find out their trackball mouse is full of lint and needs to be cleaned. :D