POSSE Rides With Linus during OSCON

amountlad writes "In addition to other activities like FOSCON happening outside of the "official" OSCON this week in Portland, Oregon, N4N.org is running a story and photos of the OSU/OTBC/POSSE party Thursday night. From Linus and IBM's Dan Frye to the OSU's Open Source Lab director and Open Technology Business Center founder LaVonne Reimer - Bar 71 was hopping as the N4N coverage details in word and images. The event was a joint effort by local OSS organizations POSSE (Portland OSS Entrepreneurs), the OTBC (Open Technology Business Center) and Oregon State University's OSL (Open Source Lab.)"

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Portland is SO .org!

[linuxbaby]

I moved CD Baby from New York to Portland Oregon in 2000, and I'm more impressed than ever with the cool tech community here.

If California is .com, Portland is .org in every way.

From the INCREDIBLY cool FreeGeek ("helping the needy get nerdy") - to the active Portland Linux/Unix Group to the Portland Ruby Brigade that put together the FOSCON mentioned in the OP - Portland has some great geeky stuff going on.

A few months back, I ran the exact same Craigslist help-wanted ad, looking for a great programmer for a well-paying job, in both Portland and Los Angeles Craigslist at the same time. (The job could be done from either Portland or Los Angeles.) The Portland ad was answered by about 30 brilliant programmers, all working on interesting things and seemed to be doing it for love more than money. The Los Angeles ad was answered by a couple clueless numnuts. I love Los Angeles for other reasons, but this was a telling experience.

No sales tax. Great public transportation. More hybrid cars per-capita than anywhere. Kennedy School. Free wireless broadband covers the entire city. A damn good place to live and work. And not a single tourist attraction.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[danpbrowning]

And not a single tourist attraction.

You mean the tourists don't come here to see our rain? I love Portland, too. We seem to have an abundance of great user groups. The Portland Perl Mongers is a great group for us Perl-lovers (and includes several Perl celebrities). The Rose City Astronomers are a really neat group of people if you enjoy looking up at night.

The recent interview with Linus Torvalds reveals a little bit about what is so attractive about this place. I've traveled a little, but there's no place like home.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Coward]

That really sounds great. Too bad New Yorkers end up destroying everywhere they move to.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Seumas]

Of course, there's state tax and county tax. Gas is expensive. Businesses get it in the ass from the business-unfriendly city hall. And don't even get anyone started talking about "the fourth layer of government" (aka METRO).

A Native, but by no means suffering from the delusion that it's a wonderful magical place. Especially when those fucking Critical Mass assholes decide it's time to cause trouble, some fucking hippy wanted by the FBI makes his own on a downtown city billboard and the mayor is too wussy to do anything about it or the freaks decide to block the bridges for whatever random protest has their ADHD riddled minds occupied for the rest of this day.

Then there's the traffic and the awful cost of housing. And don't forget the cobs that tazer old blind women and knock them over when they're not busy shooting minorities.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[aftk2]

Well, our offices are situated above the Shanghai Tunnels; although to call that a tourist attraction is probably stretching it a bit. Do people come here to see the sprawling Nike campus? Maybe...but again, probably doubtful.

Oh, and no mention of nerd friendly Portland would be complete without including Stumptown Coffee, which is required sustenance for the first half of any workday, or some of Portland's outstanding breweries, which are necessary for the afternoon.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Seumas]

The best thing about Portland is that it has virtually no nightlife. Hang out in the very heart of downtown after about 10:00PM on most any day of the year and all you'll run across is the random shopper wrapping things up for the evening or the Blazer fan heading home on MAX. By about 11:00PM, the cleaning trucks come out and hose everything down and empty all the trash and it's dead silent. The very VERY best things are the annual Governor Tom McCall Waterfront Park Pepsi Rose Festival killings that invariably pop up from all of our local thugs and wannabe gangbangers.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[ugmoe]

She wasn't blind!

If you read the article, you'll see that she had a prosthetic eye.

Just more slashdot jibberjabber.

PORTLAND -- A legally blind and partially disabled woman is suing the Portland Police Bureau over claims of police brutality Eunice Crowder (pictured) says four officers roughed her up and threw her to the ground on June 9. The officers were called when she reportedly refused to allow city workers to clean up yard debris. The 71-year-old says she was hit with pepper spray and stung by a taser gun. Her prosthetic eye reportedly fell out during the incident.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Seumas]

Yeah, because getting your eyeball knocked out of your head by the cops leaves you with perfect chart vision... Pig lover. Go back to worshipping The Man, you fascist apologist!

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you serious? Do you hang out in the heart of downtown with headphones on and your eyes closed? Anyone putting forth any effort can bar hop from one crowded location to another until last call around 2am...and all that means is the party heads over to any of some great, late-night eateries like Voodoo Doughnuts. After parting ways with the OSCON crew, I made it home by 8am.
Also, there are still Blazer fans?

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Baloo Ursidae]

No sales tax. Great public transportation. More hybrid cars per-capita than anywhere. Kennedy School. Free wireless broadband covers the entire city. A damn good place to live and work.

Don't encourage people to move here. Oregon is full and unemployment is bad enough without more Californians moving up here and fucking it up that much worse.

And not a single tourist attraction.

Did you somehow miss:

• The world's largest city park (Forest Park)
• The world's smallest city park (Telegraph Park)
• The world's only independently-raisable double-deck lift bridge (Steel Bridge)
• The world's first lift bridge (Hawthorne Bridge)
• Oaks Park
• Saturday Market
• Pioneer Courthouse Square
• Riverplace Marina
• OMSI
• The Oregon Zoo
• Hoyt Arboretum
• The World Forestry Center
• The International Rose Test Garden
• 732 Evergreen, Lake Oswego (Childhood home of Matt Groening, house was inspiration for The Simpsons house of the same address in Springfield
• Ainsworth Elementary School (where Matt Groening went to school, building is Springfield Elementary in The Simpsons)
• Lincoln High School (Matt Groening's alma mater, Groening defaced the sidewalk on SW 18th along the back fence of LHS halfway across the street from the Salmon Street blue line station; walk south from the crosswalk along the fence to find it)
• The Oregon Trail goes from the east and turns south in Portland
• The Lewis and Clark Trail winds through town
• The Rose Festival has many televised events, most famously the Grand Floral Parade, which is televised in almost as many countries as the Super Bowl (Fuck Pasadena and it's wanna-be rose parade)
• Much more that doesn't come immediately to mind

And if you want to include everything within an hour's drive of Portland...

• Trojan Nuclear Power Plant (The now abandoned power plant was the inspiration for Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. The cooling ponds are in a public park owned by Portland General Electric)
• Sauvie Island, the world's largest inland island (fantastic u-picks and farmer's markets, decent beaches)
• Champoeg State Park, where Oregon became a US state instead of a Canadian province due to two Canadian fugatives illegally tipping the polls in favor of statehood (indeed, a sad day for Oregon).
• The west end of the Oregon Trail in Oregon City
• Government Camp, "The Highest Town in Oregon", the surrounding Mt. Hood National Forest, Mt Hood's peak and Timberline Lodge
• The Columbia River Gorge, home to Multnomah Falls, the second tallest waterfall in the US

Which makes me wonder: Are you blind? The Metro region and vicinity is one gigantic tourist trap. Oregon's most famous governor, Tom McCall, even bragged about it. "Welcome to Oregon! Please, enjoy your stay, but remember to leave when you're done visiting."

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Black Art]

And not a single tourist attraction.

What about Powell's?

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[CatGrep]

Don't encourage people to move here. Oregon is full and unemployment is bad enough without more Californians moving up here and fucking it up that much worse.

So first you tell people not to move here and then you go on to extoll Portland's virtues...

732 Evergreen, Lake Oswego (Childhood home of Matt Groening, house was inspiration for The Simpsons house of the same address in Springfield

I don't think it's in Lake Oswego, otherwise how did he go to LHS and Ainsworth? It's in NW Portland. In fact you can find more connections between the Simpsons' Springfield and Groening's Portland here.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Seumas]

The night scene in Portland is laughable compared to any other sizable city. Yeah, there are a lot of places to go get drunk on a barstool, but that's not exactly "night life". And whatever nightlife their actually is, is pretty damn small person-wise. I've known people that had to stop going out because they made a fool of their dumbass in one place and because the scene is so small, would easily be picked out of the crowd at any other place at night.

Portland has a lot of cool things. Night life is not one of them.

Then again, I hate clubbing and night life and all of that, so it's not a down side to *me*... But I know a lot of people that were excited about moving, visited for a bit and decided the nightlife didn't measure up.

Anyway, Rick Emerson and Clyde Lewis aren't on the air on MAX910 anymore. And they really were the best thing about the city.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[jimmydevice]

Good beer and Powell's Isn't considered a "tourist attraction"?

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[yozzman]

Get a grip. It was humour.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi. I'm sarcasm. Nice to meet you, Yozzman.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[gabba_gabba_hey]

You've got to be kidding me. I guess it depends on what sorta scene you are into, but as far as the rock'n'roll douchebag/geeky weirdo thing goes, there is no end of fun to be had.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Coward]

Portland has cool stuff, but you have to seek it out. And most people aren't out looking for the geeky/nerdy thing to do on a Friday night. There are plenty of places for cowboy hats to sit at a bar and get drunk or for your typical rocker types to hit a smaller club and drink and watch a local band play (Dry County Crooks for example). Sabalas isn't bad and you're bound to catch cool shit like the Epoxies or Storm Large and the Balls pretty often.

But aside from that, there aren't any other "scenes" except for the Z100 highschool crowd going to the Lotus Room or Something to listen to all that hot 2005 music spun by their local aging, balding radio disc jockey.

Seriously though - hit Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles... When it comes to nightlife, Portland absolutely does not compare.

If you're just looking to go hang out with your existing friends and grub or play around, there's plenty of that to be done. Pizza parlors, coffee shops, book stores, arcades, etc...

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[gabba_gabba_hey]

Granted, you do have to make your own fun sometimes, and I've been around lots of other cities and know what the parent was saying. Just got back from SF/LA/NY, etc. in fact and yes, the potential fun factor is higher in a lot of places.

I'm just saying it's not that rough to meet people here and have a good time. I didn't mean to put the parent down and wasn't talking about LAN parties by the geeky thing. I just meant there's lots of fun people around of all types - you just have to be open to people in general and stay the hell away from the Lotus whatever you do ;).

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[gabba_gabba_hey]

On behalf of "those fucking Critical Mass assholes" (of which I'm not one, but support on principle):

please treat yourself to a giant bowl of lukewarm dicks, fuckwad.

I will agree with you on the other paragraphs though ;X

xo

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Seumas]

As someone who routinely commutes to work on a bike, I resent the way a lot of people behave at the Critical Mass events for the same reason people with valid peaceful protests hate those who show up just to instigate conflict with the police and break windows.

Bikers are fine. It's one of the best things about Portland. I've seen groups of bikers at events act irresponsibly and like petty children - like it's their free shot at pissing off everyone else on the streets which is absurd considering how most of them (rightfully) abhor the same selfishness and lack of respect that drivers generally give bikers.

Those people would do better leaving Critical Mass gatherings to the responsible people and going up to join in on some Zoobombing instead.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[gabba_gabba_hey]

Well said,

I took your statement in the wrong way initially. Having just gotten home from the bar, i was browsing /. and got a little fired up imagining you to be a SUV driving maniac pissing on the bike crowd, my bad for the knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for the cool-headed reply and the show of class in the face of my initial response.

xo

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Glowing Fish]

If anyone wants a better explanation of what Free Geek does, read The Official Free Geek Web Page

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Baloo Ursidae]

So first you tell people not to move here and then you go on to extoll Portland's virtues...

No, tourists tend to be obnoxious bastards, and tourist attractions attract tourists. Anybody living in a touristy city (Victoria, BC; Portland, OR; Bonner's Ferry, ID; Banff, AB; etc) can tell you tourists aren't anything you want to live near in large quantity.

I don't think it's in Lake Oswego, otherwise how did he go to LHS and Ainsworth? It's in NW Portland.

I was thinking the wrong part of town because I spent too much time yesterday trying to find an address on Evergreen in Lake O, so that was where my mind went. Oops.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Coward]

So first you tell people not to move here and then you go on to extoll Portland's virtues...

People? I thought he said Californians. From a Washington state perspective I can tell you that there's a very high dipshit ratio involved with the outflow of Californians into other states in the region. Tech unemployment here in WA is still high, and so the jobs aren't there.. so go home. Unless uncle Bill calls you, there's nothing to see here.

Couple that with the tendency of Californians who've already made their bucks coming up here and building tasteless gigantic mansions on pristine farmland because their money goes farther than it does where they came from, and you've got a love story in the making. Get cut off by an asshole in traffic driving a Hummer? Likely ex-Cali folks. You're standing at a bus stop getting drenched and somebody pulls up in a Subaru and hands you a spare rain slicker? Washington folks.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[dTaylorSingletary]

I live in Portland too. But I don't necessarily think it's all it's cracked up to be.

Firstly, the weather. I love the rain. I love the wind. I love the snow. I love the majority of the year. But these summers have got go. That temperature gauge should never cross the line of 84 F.

The people. There are some seriously mentally ill people here. They're not coming back from beyond the bend. There's all the young punks and their dogs, the shoplifting and violent addicts all over the place. I lived in San Francisco for years and their sanity:insanity ratio pales in comparison to Portland.

The jobs. Don't get me started at what they pay around here for programmers.

I moved to Portland because for some reason I got it in my head that I couldn't "take" San Francisco anymore. I wanted a gentler life of trees and moss. Rainy days. Meeting cool people. I've been here in Portland now for almost 4 years. Most of the people I meet rarely extend beyond aquaintance. I know some of that is me, but...

There are some beautiful reasons to live here, and the Gorge is one of them. McMenamins is another. I got married at Edgefield Hotel just 2 months ago. This is a great place to live overall, if you like funky little houses (I do) and funky little neighborhoods (I do) but these are all surface-level things. Behind them is a place that just never settles in your stomach quite right.

The high points of transit are great. The heat is miserable. Scared to buy a home here because I'd feel locked in. Prices on homes are low here, but the pays are so low the prices are high.

I'm still glad OSCON comes here to happen.

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[amountlad]

Heh, CD Baby actually appeared in a photo during the N4N coverage of Free Geek's Geek Fair:

http://www.news4neighbors.net/article.pl?sid=05/07 /16/2356238

Glad to have you in town :-)

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Forbman]

Gas is expensive on the left coast, plain and simple. PDXrs complain about $2.30-$2.40/gal gas, but it only gets more expensive the further south or north from PDX you go (yes, been both ways in the last month, PDX->Sunny Ego, PDX->Bellingham, WA).

Traffic is bad, but doesn't compare to Seattle, Chicago, San Diego/LA.

If you don't like Multnomah County's tax, it's not too hard to move away from that, but still be "in Portland". Move up to Vancouver like everyone else, for example.

If you've never lived anywhere else as an adult, PDX has its warts. If you have, PDX is pretty dang cool compared to the rest of the country's larger cities.

I'll take a Critical Mass event over some dumbfuck who rolls his SUV on one of the bridges in the area any time.

Do you remember how fucked up PDX traffic was when that roll of sheet steel rolled off the bed of the semi truck on the Terwilliger Curves? Now explain to me the annoyance factor of CM (route around it) or protesters (again, route around it). It took a few hours to actually remove the steel, (incident happened about 1:30pm that day, traffic was still in the shitpan at 7:00 pm, when I left work, and I did not dare try to get on I-5, as it was as bolluxed NB as it was SB).

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[QuantumRiff]

Quick Correction, Portland doesn't have the smallest city partk, Salem (the capital city, about 50miles south) does.) Waldo park near the state capital includes a Tree, and a sign. Technically, not even the dirt between the two is part of the park..

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Baloo Ursidae]

The tree in Waldo Park alone is many times the size of Telegraph Park, which is 14" in diameter on the median of OR-43/Naito Parkway somewhere around Ash or Oak street (can't remember which).

Re:Portland is SO .org!

[Anonymous Freak]

Well, the original post was wrong. Telegraph Park isn't the smallest park. But, neither is Salem's Waldo Park. Portland's Mill Ends Park is. At a whopping 452 square inches, it is too small to even hold a tree.

(I was going to have a link to the Guiness World Records page on it, but their site is a little wonky right now, and their search seems to be borked. So Answers.com will have to suffice in its place.)

And about Portland being so .org. . . I'm part of that, as my own personal domain is a .org! As is my business, for that matter. (All right, so my company is really a .com, but I happen to also own the .org. . .)

The UK's got OHUKON

[TGIFF]

Linus frequents it regularly. OHUKON...

Re:The UK's got OHUKON

[Anonymous Coward]

GIVE UP.

Re:The UK's got OHUKON

[Anonymous Coward]

TGIFF, Gestures, CarbonBasedSoda, and BorgGates are all sock puppet accounts of the same guy who is trying to use the Slashdot comment system as his/her own personal ad agency. Go away spammer!

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What is this article about???

[cide1]

All these TLA's are making me think WTF, but as long as I can get the 10-4, I'll be A-OK. AFAIK, all we need is a FAQ, and then I can forget this 404.

Re:What is this article about???

[Ravatar]

What he said, this thing is acronym hell.

Re:What is this article about???

[Anonymous Coward]

I think you meant the 411

Re:What is this article about???

[marcello_dl]

LOL!

Acronyms

[NilObject]

I looked at the article summary and all my eyes glazed over. I mean:

FOSCON ... OSCON ... N4N.org ... OSU/OTBC/POSSE ... IBM's ... OSU's ... N4N ... OSS ... POSSE ... OSS ... OTBC ... OSL ..."

Ow! I need some aspirin!

Re:Acronyms

[RLiegh]

I looked over the article and saw that linus is stuck running around with a bunch of suits from IBM and a crowd of mini-ESRs from some obscure OSS club. Poor linus, I bet it's during mind-numbing parties like those that he wishes he'd have heard of 386BSD back when he was considering hitting 'send' on that fateful usenet post!

Re:Acronyms

[Rheingold]

The only thing mind-numbing at this party was the amount of beer I drank. And then the next party brought that numbness to an even greater level, and then...

Re:Acronyms

[Black Art]

Actually Linus spent most of his time playing pool in the back. (Where there was some vestige of air conditioning. It was over 90 degrees outside.) He seemed to be enjoying himself. It was not just a bunch of fawning nerds. (How you could tell from only two pictures, I don't know...) Linus is pretty shy around "fans". The main bulk of the party crowd stayed over by the alcohol and food and left Linus alone. (Many of them did not seem to even know he was there.) The crowd seemed to be about 70% men and 30% women. (Just like about every other corporate party I have been to in Portland.) It was a fun relaxed evening.

Re:Acronyms

[Anonymous Coward]

In my head it just goes 'beep beep beep beep...'

Re:Acronyms

[BobVila]

OMG!

Wow.

[Anonymous Coward]

Linus Torvalds has a posse!

Re:Wow.

[Anonymous Coward]

So do Richard Simmons and Hitler.

So are you telling me that...

[Anonymous Coward]

Linus Torvalds has a POSSE?

I was at the party

[jbdodson]

I work for OpenSourcery(http://www.opensourcery.com/ a member of POSSE. I talked to Linus, he was a nice guy, damn good pool player. I posted my view of the evening, and my best recollection of my conversation with Linus(http://cs.georgefox.edu/~jdodson/getArchive. php?gettedDate=20050805094736), I talked to him about some Kernel stuff, etc. I was a bit starstruck, oh well, it happens.

Re:I was at the party

[DogDude]

Tell me the truth... was *everybody* at that party a total dork, or were they just particularly bad pictures?

Re:I was at the party

[jbdodson]

Well the one with Will was not as flattering to Will, Will is a sexy guy. Though, we are all total dorks, even Linus said that. A room full of Free and Open Source Software nuts? Yep, all dorks, no surprise here really.

Re:I was at the party

[illest503]

Mod parent up, please.

Will

Should children think they know what's going on?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think so.

HAPPY NIP NOOK DAY!

[Anonymous Coward]

n/t

OSCON

[Anonymous Coward]

An anagram for "OSCON" is "NO SCO". Coincidence? I don't think so!

So it's true...

[potpie]

...Linus Torvalds really does have a posse.

Correction for submitter

[Seumas]

Your decision as to when what should be acronymed and not is bizarre, so I thought I'd tidy it up a bit more for you:

PERFECTED
"In addition to other activities like FOSCON happening outside of the "official" OSCON this week in Portland, OR, N4N.org is running a story and photos of the OSU/OTBC/POSSE party Thursday night. From Linus and IBM's Dan Frye to the OSU's OSLD and OTBC founder LaVonne Reimer - Bar 71 was hopping as the N4N coverage details in word and images. The event was a joint effort by local OSS organizations POSSE (Portland OSS Entrepreneurs), the OTBC and OSU's OSL"

ORIGINAL
"In addition to other activities like FOSCON happening outside of the "official" OSCON this week in Portland, Oregon, N4N.org is running a story and photos of the OSU/OTBC/POSSE party Thursday night. From Linus and IBM's Dan Frye to the OSU's Open Source Lab director and Open Technology Business Center founder LaVonne Reimer - Bar 71 was hopping as the N4N coverage details in word and images. The event was a joint effort by local OSS organizations POSSE (Portland OSS Entrepreneurs), the OTBC (Open Technology Business Center) and Oregon State University's OSL (Open Source Lab.)"

Re:Correction for submitter

[amountlad]

While I'll grant that we're a bit overrun with acronym's here in Portland, all you've done is confuse matters by turning the OSL into the OSLD - which is the only possible way to make it more confused with the OSDL (that's the Open Source Development Lab, where Linus works).

Happily we've got acronym problems because we've got so much happening in town, there are worse problems to have :-)

Re:Should children think they know what's going on

[Anonymous Coward]

What do the kids see?

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[XO]

Why does a LINUX story have Comedy and Tragedy as it's icon?

FOSCON slide show

[CatGrep]

Check out the FOSCON slideshow .

Why the lucky stiff's performance which included his own animations, shadow puppets, and an inside look at a meeting of the Ruby cabal The Least Surprised was hilarious.

LINUS THE KERNEL HACKER HAS A POSSE

[anti-NAT]

OBEY Hacker

Comedy and Tragedy

[mark_hill97]

Why does a LINUX story have Comedy and Tragedy as it's icon?

Because that alphabet soup up there is so funny, but its a tragedy nobody can read it without falling asleep. cmon zonk, acronym overload there. Isn't your job to edit not rubberstamp?

Linus Torvalds Has A Posse?

[Anonymous Coward]

Everybody was talking like 'Yo, who are those motherfuckers all drinking your cristal and buying those gold chains and shit on your dime?'

And Linus was all like, 'Who, them? Those are my niggaz.'

Damn straight.

OMG!!!!

[speck]

Wow, Linus was at a party! Stop the presses! The whole world must know about this development, NOW!

Correction of Revolution OS Story

[Bruce Perens]

After I left HP, HP negotiated a non-agression pact with Microsoft. One of the results of this is that Microsoft required HP to edit the cover of the version of Revolution OS that HP distributed to remove the slashed-cirle containing a Windows logo and my photo on the DVD jacket. As far as I'm aware, the internal content is unchanged.

Bruce

Re:Correction of Revolution OS Story

[amountlad]

Corrected this on the original N4N.org story, thanks for the clarification Bruce.

The obligatory joke...

[andrewa]

Although I'd hardly place Widmer in the top of Portland brews...

A Texan, a Californian, and Oregonian are out riding horses. The Texan pulls out an expensive bottle of whiskey, takes a long draught, then another and suddenly throws it into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the bottle in midair.

The Californian looks at him and says, "What are you doing? That was a perfectly good bottle of whiskey!"

The Texan says, "In Texas, there is plenty of whiskey and the bottles are cheap."

A while later, not wanting to be outdone, the Californian pulls out a bottle of champagne, takes a few sips, throws the champagne into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots it in midair.

The Oregonian can't believe his eyes, "What the heck did you do that for? That was a perfectly good bottle of champagne!"

The Californian says, "In California, we have plenty of champagne and bottles are cheap."

So, awhile later, the Oregonian pulls out a bottle of Widmer Hefeweizen. He opens it, takes a sip, and then chugs the whole bottle. He then puts the bottle in his saddlebag, pulls out his gun, and shoots the Californian.

The Texan, shocked, says, "Why the hell did you do that?!"

The Oregonian replies, "In Oregon, we have plenty of Californians and the bottles are worth a nickel."

Mods, please address!

[gabba_gabba_hey]

While i appreciate the mod's rewarding of my apology, why the hell did I get modded up for this when the parent did not? That was serious class on his/her part considering the level of discourse common in this community. Please please reward that if anything. Thank you.