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Gentoo 2005.1, Experimental Live CD Released
safeness writes "Gentoo 2005.1 was released yesterday. Included in its release is an additional experimental LiveCD with the long awaited graphical installer. Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo! Get it here!" And darthcamaro writes "Hard to tell from the change log what's new ... but this story on internetnews.com notes new installation hardware support and WiFi."
Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
Indeed! A couple more features and I'll be ready to switch back to Fedora.
Let the Gentoo vs. everything else flamewar begin!
but somehow, putting a CD with an "experimental Gentoo" Release on it into my computer sounds just as fascinating and fun as open hearth surgery in nanibia or landing a space shuttle with chocolade heathshields...
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
No way in hell am I going to recompile the OS every time I boot up. Do I look like I have that kind of time in my life? /me checks posting history.
Never mind. Carry on.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
If you are able to get wireless in Knoppix, then you can download stage1 and the portage snapshot from the internet and install from there. There is no need for the Gentoo LiveCD to install.
Illegal? Samir, This is America.
Looks spiffy. I'm seriously a geek in heaven lately...it seems that now my biggest problem is choosing between all the pretty, easy, functional linux installs I could be running and resisting the urge to "catch 'em all."
I do find myself occasionally wishing, though, that some of the effort being put into endlessly fragmenting and repackaging linux could be put into taking some of the great apps available and turning them from "good, functional, usable, and fast" into "droolingly beautiful and slick as Elvis' hair."
adam b.
It is a species of penguin.http://www.siec.k12.in.us/~west/proj/pengu ins/gentoo.html Specifically, a very fast swimming penguin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Penguin
Probably not a typo. There's a common thought that the gentoo folks are pretty "hardcore" about the OS. That whole stage1 compile everything from scratch, configure everything with vi, use magnets to place the linux kernel bits on the HDD, and all that wonderful stuff. A graphical installer almost defeats the purpose of being 1337, after all.
I hear you learn lots about Linux that way. I wouldn't know, I run ubuntu. I'd like to maybe try it one day (or week or month...it's a slow machine) for the experience but for now, mine work relatively well.
So yeah, if the draw is to be difficult, complex, and 1337, then making it easier would make some people NOT switch to gentoo.
I was browsing the screenshots of the new installer, and they looked nice. But as I was looking through them I saw reference to a "nazi-ish firewall". I'm not the type of person that is upset by this, but I can picture the people whose sensitivities would be offended by such a remark.
Maybe they should switch nazi-ish for strict. I'm not trying to be overly critical but I'm sure there are people who would find the comparisons between an overly-strict computer and a group that baked people in ovens offensive.
To upgrade Gentoo, grab the latest -STABLE release from FreeBSD.org and format your disks as UFS2. The rest is left as an excercise for the reader.
I hear you learn lots about Linux that way.
No, you learn lots about following instructions that way. Of course, it's still useful knowledge that a lot of people could benefit from gaining.
Screenshots are here
Because now installing it is only like pulling teeth, whereas before it was like ripping your own eyeballs out with your fingers?
stop trolling and start use dispatch-conf (included in portage).
IIRC, most of the alternatives that don't use X are simple scripts (like dispatch-conf and etc-update are anyways), so why make a whole package for something u can just slip into ~/bin (or w/e is in your $PATH) ?
$ rm /etc/make.profile && ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/ /etc/make.profile && env-update
Run as root as usual, guessing that you are running x86.
**TODO** Steal someone elses sig.
This is the live SOURCE cd. The time is not to boot the disk (hint, a whole compiled system is on there), it's the time to have an install on your hard drive where all the stuff has then been recompiled exactly to your specific desires.
I posted about how much gentoo config handling sucks in the last slashdot story about gentoo, and I'll keep doing so until they do something to fix it.
Thanks for doing your part.
The article text is confusing. There are 2 "releases" at hand.
1. Gentoo 2005.1 - a normal official release, updated packages and installation media but nothing mind-blowingly new.
2. An experimental LiveCD which boots into a graphical environment and includes an early version of the upcoming Gentoo Linux Installer.
The Installer "preview" is not included on the standard 2005.1 media.
The sentence you quoted is an example of something that should never have made it on to the front page, even on Slashdot. I really wish the editors would keep such biased remarks in a blog or some place more appropriate.
I really do want to try this new distro out. If the graphical installer is compulsory, then yes, it will be very annoying. That's not how Gentoo has done things in the past, and I can't see a reason why they would do away with manual installs now. It's probably a simple option you can disable at the command prompt when you boot the same way you disable things like APM or DHCP discovery (noapm, nodhcp, etc).
"Included with the distro!" == "Only takes a few hours to compile!"
Do I have to install it and compile the LiceCD before I can "try and buy"? Doh!
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
Gentoo's "default filesystem" (the one that's recommended for the root partition in the installation manual) is not supported. No ReiserFS with the graphical installer.
q .xml#reiser
For a large portion of Gentoo users this makes the graphical installer USELESS.
And why is there no ReiserFS support?
According to the, presumably 12 year old, FAQ writer for the project:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/fa
"Because reiserfs == teh suck...and libparted doesn't support it very well."
Based on past experience, I suspect behind this decision a juvenile programmer with personal dislike for Hans Reiser due to some flamewars.
Urgh... what a pity. I hope eventually work will be taken over by people with some sense. In the meantime I'll continue being very happy with my manual gentoo installation and recommend any GUI-installation-dependent users to head on to SuSE.
Akarsz Magyar Gentoo fórumot? Akkor
should have been, "Use Gentoo, because shit scrolling by for hours makes your boss think you're doing something productive".
I did my first gentoo install only 2 months ago(by the book), and in that time learned more about linux than from running it an entire year before with other (more user-friendly distros). You do learn alot, even by the book, because it lets you see the inards more than some distros, and forces you to see how what does what and why it's there. This is actually one of the main reasons I DID use gentoo, rather than something like fedora 4.
Ah. You clearly haven't tried the graphical installer yet, then. :P
++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
I'm a Gentoo user, used the 2004.1 Minimal LiveCD and a stage-1 package to start me off. I spent 2 days getting it working. Actually, I spent 2 days getting it running. I wouldn't really call it working. I was experimenting with make.conf, and basically I fucked it up big style. No problem, I've got plenty of time.
So I fixed up, did it again, and actually got GNOME running. It still sucked though, I was useless at kernel configuration. And I thought that using the 2.4 kernel would be best, you know, more stable. Well yeah, but I don't have hardware from the 90s.
3rd time around, it was cool, and still is. You don't need to reinstall when a new release comes out, just use emerge.
I love my system. It's tweaked specifically for my hardware and the use. It's fast, startup and use. It's lean. And I _did_ learn a lot from it. Thank-you Gentoo.
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Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
what they really mean is that the graphical installer is harder to use than the terminal commands.
Well, that's not entirely true. You could say the same thing about the apprentice system, which obviously does work. Sure you don't become a linux 1337 hax0r over night, but, having done a gentoo install, I could see what I had done wrong with other linux systems. As you do the install, you see how things fit together, and getting from the fresh-install to working-desktop stage is better still, in terms of learning. Because X.org wasn't automatically configured, I learned how to do it by the gentoo guide, so when something did screw up with it, I could go back in and fix it. Was this the only way to get this information? No. Would a gentoo install teach you much if you're already a knowledgeable linux/UNIX user? Again, no. For those of us not in that category, the gentoo install proves to be educational, and it ends up with a system that is customized to your liking.
The pain-in-the-butt, lengthy, confusing terminal installation process is what I like about Gentoo. It is the first Linux distro I ever used, and the difficult installation process gave me some nice hands-on experience and put me ahead of the curve compared to most Linux n00bs. Having a graphical hold-my-hand-daddy version takes all the fun out of it!
For instance, the gentoo installation was my first experience manually editing fstab, compiling a kernel, editing various files in /etc by hand, so and so forth. Installing gentoo is not so much a learning experience than it is a "frame of mind" changer. It completely forced me out of using gui configs to the point where I now prefer to go edit files by hand. Of course, you could always go edit files by hand in other distributions as well, but gentoo (moreso the gentoo community and documention) is more supportive of it and explains it much better than other distributions that I've seen. (Disclaimer, I haven't used debian, so I can't speak of its community and documentation).
At home, I use Ubuntu and Gentoo -- the former for fun, the latter for development. I've found that if I'm needing to find stuff and compile it, Gentoo is the most friendly distro. On Ubuntu, you have to first find out all the various dev packages you need to compile something, and it can be a real pain. Not so with Gentoo!
Gentoo is really only good in this respect, though. I also like it as a hobby system, and avoid software with really long compiles on it. So I say, if you're going to go Gentoo, avoid Gnome and KDE and go with something more in the Gentoo spirit, something like FVWM2 or OpenBox. You can pair it down and tweak it to be a real workbench OS, no frills.
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And when you research the Gentoo site it mentions the Installation tool/live CD is in the experimental fork on the mirrors. Checking there shows the 2005.0 version not the 2005.1 version the article suggests.
Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina
What Gentoo calls a "LiveCD" is mostly different from what every other distribution refers to as a "LiveCD". It's still a true "LiveCD" in that it is a bootable cd that contains a fully working instance of Gentoo on it. However this working instance of Gentoo is a minimal, command line driven (until this release) instance and its purpose is to give you an environment in which you can begin installing Gentoo from scratch to your hard drive.
nano (the free clone of non-free pico) is much more straightforward than vi. So it moves it down on the 1337 scale and up on the is-this-even-plausible-for-a-newbie scale.