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Gentoo 2005.1, Experimental Live CD Released
safeness writes "Gentoo 2005.1 was released yesterday. Included in its release is an additional experimental LiveCD with the long awaited graphical installer. Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo! Get it here!" And darthcamaro writes "Hard to tell from the change log what's new ... but this story on internetnews.com notes new installation hardware support and WiFi."
Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
Indeed! A couple more features and I'll be ready to switch back to Fedora.
"Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!" should perhaps be "Now there's one less reason for your friends NOT to switch to Gentoo!".
-ben
Is is just me, or are the /. editors at it again?
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Hmm...so I might actually be able to run stage 1 now? *crosses fingers that his card's on the list*
Let the Gentoo vs. everything else flamewar begin!
but somehow, putting a CD with an "experimental Gentoo" Release on it into my computer sounds just as fascinating and fun as open hearth surgery in nanibia or landing a space shuttle with chocolade heathshields...
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
No way in hell am I going to recompile the OS every time I boot up. Do I look like I have that kind of time in my life? /me checks posting history.
Never mind. Carry on.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
There seems to be an obvious mismatch between the summary, which states that the release includes the long-awaited (is it really?) graphical installer, and the article which says that the installer is not included. What gives?
Did you know subscribers can see articles in the future? Holy shit!
There's good source distro's out there that already have decent installers for a long time. Try lunar:
http://lunar-linux.org
Lunar is an excellent distro meant for savy linux users, and mostly named for a far easier install procedure than gentoo.
Are there directions on performing a profile updgrade avaliable?
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
Again? When did they stop?
UNIX/Linux Consulting
Looks spiffy. I'm seriously a geek in heaven lately...it seems that now my biggest problem is choosing between all the pretty, easy, functional linux installs I could be running and resisting the urge to "catch 'em all."
I do find myself occasionally wishing, though, that some of the effort being put into endlessly fragmenting and repackaging linux could be put into taking some of the great apps available and turning them from "good, functional, usable, and fast" into "droolingly beautiful and slick as Elvis' hair."
adam b.
It is a species of penguin.http://www.siec.k12.in.us/~west/proj/pengu ins/gentoo.html Specifically, a very fast swimming penguin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Penguin
I was browsing the screenshots of the new installer, and they looked nice. But as I was looking through them I saw reference to a "nazi-ish firewall". I'm not the type of person that is upset by this, but I can picture the people whose sensitivities would be offended by such a remark.
Maybe they should switch nazi-ish for strict. I'm not trying to be overly critical but I'm sure there are people who would find the comparisons between an overly-strict computer and a group that baked people in ovens offensive.
is there any mention of anything different in the low documentation in regards to GPL compliance with all of Daniel Robbins servio code? I was concerned that something may be unshippable because of his current position as a MicorSoft developer.
bad_outlook
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Is this vague enough for you?
To upgrade Gentoo, grab the latest -STABLE release from FreeBSD.org and format your disks as UFS2. The rest is left as an excercise for the reader.
I prefer fast, cheap, good, pick two or even better just 'pick two' per se.
Is is just me, or are the /. editors at it again?
:X
Nah, they didn't dupe it yet
Screenshots are here
Because now installing it is only like pulling teeth, whereas before it was like ripping your own eyeballs out with your fingers?
The short answer:
Yes
The long answer (ripped from gentoo-users mailing list)
<blatent rip>
Profiles mean "nothing"-- insofar as portage doesn't "divide" packages
based on profile. In other words, it's not as if baselayout 1.11.13 is
only available to the 2005.1 profile, while the 2005.0 profile can only
have 1.9.4-r6 or something. Portage does sometimes disable or enable
certain USE flags based on profile, but this is unlikely to be a big
issue unless you're changing to a completely different profile (i.e.,
from default x86 to selinux or something). And in any case, the profile
is regularly incrementally updated, most likely to reflect critical
updates (ever notice that "Performing Global Updates" that Portage
sometimes delays your emerge with?).
The profile is really only an issue on initial install. After that, it's
fairly irrelevant to daily life (until Portage flatly says to upgrade it
as the old profiles are unsupported-- most likely meaning that they will
not be updated to reflect "things we know now that we didn't know when
we designed the old profile"). But otherwise, I'm sure there's still a
couple of people around here with the 1.4 profile, and definitely some
with a 2004 profile-- because the profile "name" is not particularly
important once Gentoo is actually up and running.
</blatent rip>
So you can update the profile, but it's not needed. And if it was, portage would yell at you to do it.
use dispatch-conf then.
stop trolling and start use dispatch-conf (included in portage).
IIRC, most of the alternatives that don't use X are simple scripts (like dispatch-conf and etc-update are anyways), so why make a whole package for something u can just slip into ~/bin (or w/e is in your $PATH) ?
Use dispatch-conf instead. Still not perfect, but a lot better than etc-update.
$ rm /etc/make.profile && ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/ /etc/make.profile && env-update
Run as root as usual, guessing that you are running x86.
**TODO** Steal someone elses sig.
Check out dispatch-conf It provides the functionality you're looking for as well as version control of old configuration files :)
Have a look at dispatch-conf. It's much more intelligent than etc-update. Donno why it isnt default yet.
Where is that quoted from?
"Quoting yourself is stupid." -Me
This is the live SOURCE cd. The time is not to boot the disk (hint, a whole compiled system is on there), it's the time to have an install on your hard drive where all the stuff has then been recompiled exactly to your specific desires.
Use dispatch-conf. It can be configured to use RCS to keep previous versions, and automatically merge trivial changes.
I posted about how much gentoo config handling sucks in the last slashdot story about gentoo, and I'll keep doing so until they do something to fix it.
Thanks for doing your part.
vi /etc/make.conf
USE="mmx sse mysql innodb threads nptl ssl maildir -alsa -apache2 -cups -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -java -ipv6 -kde -nls -oss -qt -sdl -X"
New system install, Apache, Mysql, PHP, etc up to date and running on a 3Ghz P4 chip within about 5 hours of total time. Or you could just install a stage3 and then add Apache, Mysql, PHP, and dependencies in about an hour.
Software sucks when you don't bother to read the docs.
kashani
- Why is the ninja... so deadly?
The sentence you quoted is an example of something that should never have made it on to the front page, even on Slashdot. I really wish the editors would keep such biased remarks in a blog or some place more appropriate.
I really do want to try this new distro out. If the graphical installer is compulsory, then yes, it will be very annoying. That's not how Gentoo has done things in the past, and I can't see a reason why they would do away with manual installs now. It's probably a simple option you can disable at the command prompt when you boot the same way you disable things like APM or DHCP discovery (noapm, nodhcp, etc).
While I agree that etc-update is pretty bad, there is a really nice alternative that is in portage: dispatch-conf. It is a pretty nice way to deal with differences in config files, and can use rcs on you config files, which is a really great idea.
(troll emulation) I use Gentoo, how does this affect.... (/troll emulation)
oh wait...
There is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. -- Boondock Saints
No idea where this was quoted from, although it was likely concopted from nowhere. Either way, its (obviously) not true. The installer CD preview boots directly into a (precompiled!) graphical environment and then offers installation options at that point.
No, it still runs the old-school ascii executables... But if you mean "can you install it with pre-compiled binaries" then yes, yes you can. You want a GRP installation. I believe the GRP thingy is updated every major release of gentoo.
"Quoting yourself is stupid." -Me
Yeah, installing gentoo is a major pain. It took me a day and a half to get to a desktop. But once you can get to the desktop, and open a Konsole window (or whatever you want) you can minimize and move on. And this doesn't have near the problems other distributions have (fedora, debian, kubuntu)
Show this to your friends and family that don't know what a real hacker is
"Included with the distro!" == "Only takes a few hours to compile!"
Do I have to install it and compile the LiceCD before I can "try and buy"? Doh!
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
You didn't tweak your use flags. A USE="-X" would have solved your problem.
I posted about how much gentoo config handling sucks in the last slashdot story about gentoo, and I'll keep doing so until they do something to fix it.
They have, about 2 years ago. You just didn't happen to be, how should I put it... Informed? :)
Use dispatch-conf, and voila, your psychiatric bill should diminish considerably (because we're definitely in agreement on etc-update sucking bigtime.)
I like to seed torrents of debian, fc4, and gentoo isos. I noticed today that my 2005.0 seed showed 0 seeds and 0 peers connected so I figured 2005.1 was out. Gentoo's torrent page was down, so I found it at tracker.netdomination.org. Had over 110 seeds connected and pushing the 6Mbps limit of my cablemodem. I just assumed I missed the story here and stumbled across the fact that it was out. Guess not. Oh, and the new Mercedes Benz Mixed Tape (#8) is out, so I grabbed that torrent, too.
Intelligent Life on Earth
So basically what you're saying is that Gentoo sucks when you don't know how to use it. Big surprise there.
I know I might be asking for too much here, but with all of the LiveCD options out there, why is it so hard to find one that works with my HP laptop OUT OF THE BOX.
;)
I love using LiveCDs, and would like to hand them out to co-workers (since the laptop was company issued, most of us have the same model). But it's just too difficult to hand the person a CD, a thumb drive, and say "good luck".
Am I missing a distro that should work? I can't remember all that I've tried, but off-hand I can remember Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Knoppix, Gnoppix, Whoppix, Kanotix, PCLinuxOS, Linux4All, and MEPIS not working by default (or by changing any of the boot options).
Or, as another option, would somebody with more time/abilities than me be interested in making a LiveCD that would work on these machines for me? For a fee, of course
In other gentoo easy install goodness. The gentoo based distro Vida Linux 1.2 was released just 9 days ago 8/01/05 check it out it's a really cool distro http://desktop.vidalinux.com/
I made a smart ass remark without RFTA and it was all based on a damn lie. Sorry to raise the S/N ratio by a few hundredths of a dB.
I couldn't find the original reference either.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
Reasons are discrete. This should read "one fewer reason."
Sincerely yours,
Your friendly neighborhood grammar Nazi.
Either this was a compelling arguement gone wrong or somebody wanted to get in on todays load of Linux/BSD/OpenSuSE News with a nice prank on the Editors. What next? A live CD of SCO?
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
it's a joke...
Kyle
http://www.unlogikal.net/
Just to add to this: as well as switching to dispatch-conf, remember to check out its config file (/etc/dispatch-conf.conf)
There are several options which most users will want to turn on for less hassle updating configuration files: replace-cvs, replace-wscomments, replace-unmodified
Isn't one of the main reasons to have a "LiveCD" speed and convenience? With the hours-long compile time to simply get to an optimised ramdisk image, I'm just not sure who really *needs* this.
.iso all its' own, I'm just confused as to what the reasoning was to invest the manpower in this. Not being critical here, I'm just curious.
Don't misunderstand, I've run Gentoo and it has many geat attributes. As far as improving the install, that's great, and makes sense.
I just have trouble imagining many scenarios where a LiveCD that takes hours to compile is the "right tool".
It just seems to me that I'd want to invest the compile-time into something that won't be gone when I pull the CD and reboot.
Perhaps it's a case of being able to run a ramdisk image being convenient to do before or while the compiled OS is installed. In this case, I'd question the decision to call this a LiveCD first and foremost, as opposed to an install CD with the added feature of being able to run the compiled OS in a ramdisk.
However, seeing as the LiveCD is actually an
Just my $0.02
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Someone needs to set standards for ebuilds. I've noticed that ebuilds marked stable are less stable than masked versions. For example, I recently upgraded to the lastest stable version of apache, but when it came time to rebuild mod_php the compile borked. I had to install masked versions of both apache and mod_php just to get the system working again.
Is there a PPC version of the LiveCD available (or on it's way)? I scanned the article quickly, but didn't see anything pop out at me about it.
Gentoo's "default filesystem" (the one that's recommended for the root partition in the installation manual) is not supported. No ReiserFS with the graphical installer.
q .xml#reiser
For a large portion of Gentoo users this makes the graphical installer USELESS.
And why is there no ReiserFS support?
According to the, presumably 12 year old, FAQ writer for the project:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/fa
"Because reiserfs == teh suck...and libparted doesn't support it very well."
Based on past experience, I suspect behind this decision a juvenile programmer with personal dislike for Hans Reiser due to some flamewars.
Urgh... what a pity. I hope eventually work will be taken over by people with some sense. In the meantime I'll continue being very happy with my manual gentoo installation and recommend any GUI-installation-dependent users to head on to SuSE.
Akarsz Magyar Gentoo fórumot? Akkor
Mod down parent -3 as FUD:
Call me when etc-update doesn't blow goats.
use dispatch-conf instead, it doesn't blow as many goats as etc-update
and I have to approve each one of DOZENS of files by hand.
You have to update a dozen files by hand only if you emerge -avuDN world once in a blue moon. When this happens almost every existing package in your world file will have to be updated because the last time you updated was 6 months ago. Furthermore you can use package.mask or make your own script perl script (I made one in less than 25 lines) for upgrading only certain packages.
There are some X alternatives, but guess what? I don't run X on my gentoo box, because I don't want to wait for 16 hours for X to compile.
*FUD ALERT* There are binary packages that you can get from the official gentoo repositories for things like Xorg, KDE, Gnome, and openoffice. I always compile xorg because on my slowest machine, a celeron-m 1.3ghz laptop with 512mb ram compiles it in 45minutes.
Also, the boys who maintain portage have been refusing to allow these third-party tools into the portage tree because "it might confuse users" and the tool (in use and active maintenance for 2 years by a sizable group) isn't "proven".
Many gentoo developers and those who have access to the portage CVS maintain and add new ebuilds on a volunteer basis. Most of these people are not being paid to make Gentoo better. Like many other GPL distributions it relies on user support. I'm not exactly sure which 3rd party tools you're talking about. If you want something in portage (which no one else has time to take care of) I've never had a problem with posting a bug on bugs.gentoo.org, attaching an ebuild to the bug myself, and maintaining it as future versions are released.
I refuse to recommend gentoo to anyone anymore on this basis; gentoo has not matured in the slightest as a distribution since its first release or two.
Good!! We don't want non-contributors like you anyways. Gentoo is built by users for users, and if you don't want to help then STFU and use what is available or don't use it at all.
I found a mirror that had the new iso and downloaded the live cd yesterday, and tryed to install last night. The installer got hung up after making the swap partion. It just sat there. Not one peep from the installer. So i left it runing and whent to bed. woke up this morning and a password protected screen saver was running. Had no clue what the password was so i tryed a few guesses and could not get in. Rebooted the system and was greated with a lovely no os installed error. The point? #1 The installer needs better feed back so you know when it's stuck. And give you a clue as what to do to un stick it. 2# If you are going to auto-magicly log me in, let me know what the default password is. Any way... P.S. For all you losers that have noting better to do than be a bully and pick apart my post. STFU and get a life.
I'm still less than enthralled with Gentoo. After a few attempts to install it on my SunBlade 100, I finally gave up. Somehow I think that the last thing that I want to do is compile every damn thing from scratch on a 500MHz UltraSPARC IIe processor. The machine sat there for several days just compiling X and KDE.
Fedora (Aurora) isn't any better - it's a torturous installation process that is fraught with opportunities for error.
So somebody tell me - what do I have to do to get Gentoo and KDE running on my Blade 100? I really don't like Solaris!
-h-
There's no simple facility to even say "update all the config files in this directory". This one example gives you an idea of how bad things are overall.
Using etc-update, manually merge all the config files that you do NOT want to be replaced (ie, ones that you've modified). Now you're left with a list of all files that you don't want to manually merge, just overwrite. choose command -3 (it's right there in the menu above your command prompt). This will replace all the remaining config files with their new versions. -5 if you don't want to use "mv -i". Done.
As for installing x, you could get a binary package of it from the gentoo servers, so all it would take is the time to download it.
Thank you, come again.
Can we change the blurb to read: "Now there's one less reason for your friends to not switch to Gentoo!"
No, let's not split infinitives.
If you can read this sig, you're too close.
Granted if you were paying attention even then you realize that such an action causes configurations you have edited (such as port numbers in webmin) to be removed and overwritten during an update. It is for this reason that etc-update and protected configs exist.
Additionally you may find the following link useful as it describes ways to modify the configuration of etc-update to automerge comment changes (most common) and CVS headers (also common).
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_etc-update
On a parting note... Taken from Section 4a of the gentoo handbook located at:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x8
Seems to me that option -5 fromt he main etc-update prompt would take care of your "update all the config files in this directory" issue.
Enjoy
"And the heathens with their ways of trickery and deceit shall not prevail over the will of the righteous"
um... that's exactly what the Gentoo LiveCD does though the Gentoo LiveCD in the past hasn't been the same sort of enviroment like Knoppix gave you.
This user then went on to install packages without looking at his USE variables. X windows is by default part of a standard profile so X support would be compiled into things that support it like mod_php. If you don't want X it's easy enough to tell Gentoo to globally ignore any call for X and you can even tell Gentoo to skip X (or other optional dependecy) on a per package basis. None of that is what this user did which is why it took so long.
kashai
- Why is the ninja... so deadly?
should have been, "Use Gentoo, because shit scrolling by for hours makes your boss think you're doing something productive".
If you didn't hand-assemble it yourself, who says that you haven't been p0wn3d?!!!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Ah. You clearly haven't tried the graphical installer yet, then. :P
++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
I'm a Gentoo user, used the 2004.1 Minimal LiveCD and a stage-1 package to start me off. I spent 2 days getting it working. Actually, I spent 2 days getting it running. I wouldn't really call it working. I was experimenting with make.conf, and basically I fucked it up big style. No problem, I've got plenty of time.
So I fixed up, did it again, and actually got GNOME running. It still sucked though, I was useless at kernel configuration. And I thought that using the 2.4 kernel would be best, you know, more stable. Well yeah, but I don't have hardware from the 90s.
3rd time around, it was cool, and still is. You don't need to reinstall when a new release comes out, just use emerge.
I love my system. It's tweaked specifically for my hardware and the use. It's fast, startup and use. It's lean. And I _did_ learn a lot from it. Thank-you Gentoo.
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Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
what they really mean is that the graphical installer is harder to use than the terminal commands.
Would be storing /usr/portage in a huge .zip file. There are 121537 files in portage on my system and that constitutes a massive overhead on the filesystem and degrades the performance. And when updating it tends to scatter lots of little tiny files all over the disk, making performance even worse. With Reiser 4 is literally takes 6+ seconds to rebalance the filesystem tree, which happens ever so often.
/usr/portage for an actual file and then in /usr/portage.zip for the official sync version. So you would still get the benefits of being able to tweak individual files without the drawbacks of 100k+ files. It should use zip instead of tar since zip files are random access. Even uncompressed the zip file is a massive improvement.
It should be simple in python to just replace file.open to first look in
I read it as a finely tuned critique of GUI installers, personally. Of course, I'm nearly passed out from overdoing a martial arts session, so maybe it's just me.
For the love of God, please learn to spell "ridiculous"!!!
the Nazi-ish firewall Nazi?
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The pain-in-the-butt, lengthy, confusing terminal installation process is what I like about Gentoo. It is the first Linux distro I ever used, and the difficult installation process gave me some nice hands-on experience and put me ahead of the curve compared to most Linux n00bs. Having a graphical hold-my-hand-daddy version takes all the fun out of it!
Actually I think your post raises a good point. That point being that there is this myth that gentoo takes forver to install. Of course if you try to compile from stage1 on some 333mhz intel celeron, it is going to take the course of a couple days to finish. Conversely, if you start from stage 3 on a very recent machine, you can be up and running in a working environment in ~3 hours, or quite possibly less, assuming you don't use a heavyweight window manager (aka gnome/kde). And keep in mind you always have the option of using binaries instead of compiling from source.
Yeah. My typical install (stage 1 to having a functional GNOME setup) takes about a full day on my computer, including downloading time. It's a 2.4 GHz P4 with a gig of RAM. :-)
Mind you, that's excluding big things like OpenOffice.org (which I usually use the binary ebuild for anyway)
Wrong. You merge the files you need to, then you say "update all [the rest of] the files in this directory".
Gentoo. It's called Knoppix
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Ok, I got a good laugh out of this. I know they are serious, and this is a nice distro. Didn't Bill Gates hire the developer of Gentoo to be his linux man? Gentoo must be good to make Microsoft want to pick him out of all of the linux folks out there!
Although I have my own knoppix remaster, I like to run SLAX linux livecd in ram. Very fast, and SLAX is smaller than mine, so it gets up and running in ram very quickly.
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How about Now there's one more reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo...
This sig is false.
While I appreciate your efforts at preserving the shattered remmnants of the English language, you are (figuratively, of course) pissing into a hurricane. Slashdot posters might collectively be the most illiterate group of educated folks found anywhere.
Boycott everything - they're all trying to fuck you one way or another
Which distro posting results in the most 'funny'-moderated comments?
( ) Fedora
( ) Mandrake
( ) Gentoo
( ) Slackware
( ) Debian
( ) Yggdrasil
( ) Lindows
( ) Novell
( ) SCO
( ) Slackware jokes aren't funny, you insensitive clod!
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
At home, I use Ubuntu and Gentoo -- the former for fun, the latter for development. I've found that if I'm needing to find stuff and compile it, Gentoo is the most friendly distro. On Ubuntu, you have to first find out all the various dev packages you need to compile something, and it can be a real pain. Not so with Gentoo!
Gentoo is really only good in this respect, though. I also like it as a hobby system, and avoid software with really long compiles on it. So I say, if you're going to go Gentoo, avoid Gnome and KDE and go with something more in the Gentoo spirit, something like FVWM2 or OpenBox. You can pair it down and tweak it to be a real workbench OS, no frills.
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You compiled with an ancient as-of-2005.0 portage tree? Then its pretty much you own fault, if you dont rsync ...
You can use pretty much any distro, not just Live CDs, to install Gentoo. I did my first installs from Mandrake to another partition, as I didn't have a CD burner then. I think it tells a lot about Gentoo philosophy that you can even choose your installer.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
^ Sarcasm.
:(
I mean yeah, it's great, but I just setup two Gentoo boxes at work the last few days!!
I was amazed how unfriendly it was from a graphical installer POV (i.e. it had none!).
I've used Slackware in the past, and aside from setting up your fstab, it was a breeze so it was very suprising the installation was so complex.
But, like the above posters, I now know much more about how Linux works. And yes, emerge rocks.
All in all, it's my new fav distro, and this will make it more accessible to the less technically-inclined.
"In Soviet Union, Gentoo compiles you!"
Seriously, where is that Yakov Smirfnoff wannabe? I finally get used to seeing the same lame joke over and over on every thread, and suddenly he's gone!
Damn Russians! Get us hooked on their lame assed humor, and boom! Suddenly they pull the Gorbachev out from under us...
Not much:
/var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86 /2005.0/packages,v 1.3 2005/03/28 22:09:18 wolf31o2 Exp $ /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86 /2005.1/packages,v 1.2 2005/07/07 20:11:37 wolf31o2 Exp $
# diff 2005.0/packages 2005.1/packages
3c3
< # $Header:
---
> # $Header:
14,16c14,15
< >dev-lang/gpc-2.1
< >=sys-apps/baselayout-1.9.4-r3
< >=sys-devel/binutils-2.14.90.0.8-r1
---
> >=sys-apps/baselayout-1.11.12-r4
> >=sys-devel/binutils-2.15.90.0.3-r4
----
All of whose base are belong to the what-now?
Its still an arseabout though. I've been running Gentoo for 2 years, but just had a go at SUSE9.3. Its brilliant! You just install it and it works right away!! ;-)
I started using gentoo because I wanted to use 2.6 kernel and other features before the other distro's. Looks like they're a lot more up to date these days though.
What Gentoo calls a "LiveCD" is mostly different from what every other distribution refers to as a "LiveCD". It's still a true "LiveCD" in that it is a bootable cd that contains a fully working instance of Gentoo on it. However this working instance of Gentoo is a minimal, command line driven (until this release) instance and its purpose is to give you an environment in which you can begin installing Gentoo from scratch to your hard drive.
Did you actually succeed at installing Gentoo from a Knoppix boot, or are you just going by what's on the website?
I just got Gentoo running a few weeks ago, and am very happy with it -- but I had to abandon the Knoppix-based install, and switch to the stage 3 GT ISO, because the Knoppix-based install instructions got me very confused. Things that were happening on my disk didn't seem to match up to locations/filenames in the docs...
Read the best of all of Slash: seenonslash.com
"Taking several hours for the Live CD to boot"
It's already been covered elsewhere, but I'm gonna mention it here in case someone missed the posts above this one:
The above quote is not true. It's the install to hard disk that "takes several hours". The liveCD environment is precompiled.
We could pretend that he meant that your friends now don't even have to switch to Gentoo to experience its full splendor. Or we could just ignore the article completely.
Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!
... it ships with a initrd containing bash, gcc, tar, gzip, and gentoo_src.tar.gz
There was a bug discovered in the Stage 3 release of Gentoo 2005.1 for the Athlon XP at about 3:30 AM last night. I filed a bug report about it and there is a new release winding its way through the mirrors and should be out soon.
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I actually did it, but then I had to start from scratch with the Gentoo cd, since you can't do an AMD64 install while booted from a 32-bit distro. Since then, a 64-bit knoppix has come out, so this should not be an issue. Of the two methods, I found the Knoppix bootstrap procedures to be *much* more straight-forward, not to mention being able to surf the web and do other stuff while the install was going on. What wasn't matching up for you? Once you do the chroot, the directory tree should match up with the docs.
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Because anytime you're at an Internet-connected computer, you can say, "I can see my house from here!"
I don't moderate anymore. Karma penalty for 90% fair mods? Can I mod that unfair?
I've been using Gentoo for well over a year now. I switched to it from RedHat (a system that was pre-Fedora) which at the time had a paid-in-full RedHat Network acess for updates. However, the problem with RH at the time was that I am also a KDE user. (No stupid flame-wars, please, to each their own, choices are good, etc, etc...) Even getting the latest stable KDE installed via rpms was a royal pain, to say the least. Almost like getting updated, stable packages from non-experimental Debian at the time. ;-) (Again, no flames, read on, pilgrim...)
...but then, I wanted to upgrade KDE to the latest again. Anyone who has done this in Gentoo knows the pain; even with unsermake it took a full day on my little box to compile. So, I decided to try the pre-compiled packages, but this is not the "Gentoo way" and I agree with that sentiment to an extent, because there *are* benefits (even if small) to compiling everything natively. Well, let's just say my pre-compiled packages caused more gray hair and the wife noticed. (Seriously, no kidding. :-/ )
/home partition was on it's own partition...so I said "Screw this, I'm installing Kubuntu." So I did...
I decided to try Gentoo 1.4 out on my desktop here at home, since overall, I'd lose nothing but time if it got botched. Now, I have read many times that all installing Gentoo teaches you is how to follow instructions. I disagree, to a point, since if you are a curious geek like I was, you wonder *why* things are how they are. For that, I really loved Gentoo because it *did* teach *me* some thing about Linux I had not known previously -- I compiled my first custom-kernel in Gentoo. I never had to do that in RH. There were many, many firsts for me in playing with my Gentoo system. And Portage, I loved it...it actually had *updates*. The Gentoo community absolutely rocked (and still does, imho) when I did have trouble...
So, after hearing good things about Ubuntu, I got curious, but had *just* gotten my Gentoo box set back up just the way I liked it and really, I was not a Gnome fan. (Just a preference, choice is good, put down the torches...) So, I held back, even after my nvidia opengl stopped working. Finally, I heard about Kubuntu and got curious again. After a vacation to Thailand, I had to come back a two weeks earlier than my wife (we were visiting her family) and I got bored without a wife around to find *other* things for me to do...and
Now, to be honest, I have *always* liked apt-get and Debian in general, but the lack of up-to-date software outside of the 'stable' repos was really frustrating. This is my desktop, I don't mind taking *some* risks in my installation of software. Now, however, thanks to the hard-work of the (k)ubuntu crews and the 'universe' repos, I had compiled binaries of the software I wanted that was still mostly up-to-date.
I love Gentoo, as much as someone can love a Linux distro, because it *was* very educational to me and for the tinkerer, I still think it's the best distro if you have the time for it. My problem is, I don't have time anymore, and although I still tinker in my coding projects, I want my software updated today, not compiling over night. In a way, I am just a *bit* sad that I won't get to try out the new Gentoo install and see what is new in it, but maybe in the next life... Heh.
It does now. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
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Just one of those jokes that's _really_ hard to spot. Read: a joke of a joke.
I've installed Gentoo from ancient Slakware boot floppies. You just need tar & chroot and your good to go.
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That's funny. Good stuff. No, actually I don't. Funny you should mention that, as I was coming back here to post how sad it is that the new ibiblio torrent site has a video on the triangle blogger's meeting. That's when I encountered your contribution that couldn't be more off base. Sorry about discussing a torrent for halfway decent, free and freely redistributable music.
I will try to keep future posts more interesting. Piracy roxxors. Copyrights should be unconstitutional. I want to pay 1c per album when I download them via BitTorrent because the distribution doesn't cost the record company anything. Did I miss anything? Thanks for playing, but next time check the uid. Capped since there was a cap.
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Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!
I think you meant that there is one more reason, yada yada.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
Ok, I apologize -- I must have screwed something up. I see two posts already saying - no problems with a Knoppix CD. I didn't take notes on what seemed off with mine (we don't need no steenking documentation), since I'd already told myself that I could start over with the Gentoo boot CD.
Next time, I'll do it from Knoppix, and now that I've been through it once, it should go more smoothly next time. Thanks for the encouragement!
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I installed Gentoo a few times, once from the 2004.1 CD, and several times using Knoppix. Overall, I found the Knoppix install to be a much better experience (Among other things, I had a nice, usable system the whole time).
/dev or something like that, but I seem to remember the instructions laid out the necessary changes pretty clearly, at least to my style of thinking.
There were a few little gotchas from what I remember, something about changing the location of
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
One great thing about using Knoppix is that you can Konqeror or Firefox open to the Gentoo handbook pretty much the whole time.
Oh, a tip in case it's not already a regular part of your toolkit: Screen is your friend during a Gentoo install (No matter whether you're using Knoppix or the Gentoo CD).
Good luck on the next install!
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
A few hours just to boot a liveCD? No thanks.
Nah-- the actual boot process--- you know, loading the kernel, etc. happens quite quickly. On the other hand, compiling all the software you want to use may take anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks depending on the software you want to use and the power of your computer.
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I did have a 1.4 profile until a few months ago but I was finally forced to upgrade it. That's not bad for a 1.4-rc2 livecd install from two years ago. Updating Redhat was a nightmare when I had to do that. It was more frequent and broke many packages.
Time makes more converts than reason
why not?
It's English, we can split it if we want to.
Advanced users are users too!
To all the people flaming Gentoo:
Nobody is trying to force you to use Gentoo. If you don't see any benefit in compiling your own software, don't use Gentoo. Instead, find another distro, where you can quickly and easily install pre-compiled binaries of your favorite authentication modules and remote access tools.
"Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!"
Anyone catch this? I guess slashdot hates gentoo. Go figger.
One Fewer reason. Less describes when something is measurable, fewer when it is countable. 12 items or fewer.... 12 items or less is incorrect.
strange people, in the slashdot lurks...
Generally you don't need to update your profile until it gets pretty old (like a 1.2 or 1.4 version) as portage handles the dependencies and upgrades once the system is installed. If you're on a 2004 or 2005 profile, you're fine as you are, even the 1.4 profiles were only warned about to push forward adaption of stacked profiles.
However, there is a page on changing your profile here
It'll likely be updated to include the 2005.1 profile in the next couple of days.
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I'm noob here. Is that comment about RicerFS a typo? ;-) (just joking. expecting -2 overall moderation and troll/flamebait)
What Gentoo calls a "LiveCD" is mostly different from what every other distribution refers to as a "LiveCD". It's still a true "LiveCD" in that it is a bootable cd that contains a fully working instance of Gentoo on it. However this working instance of Gentoo is a minimal, command line driven (until this release) instance and its purpose is to give you an environment in which you can begin installing Gentoo from scratch to your hard drive.
How is this "LiveCD" different from what other distros call a "Install+RescueCD". Most install CDs also have minimal command line interface available and waiting on another virtual terminal.
alias etc-update="dispatch-conf" :) now it's the default
Ha! You got exactly what you deserved. GLI is in the ALPHA stage. That means that you should not use it unless you can afford to have it hose your system. Even so, it wouldn't automatically format a partition unless you told it to. So it's 100% your own damn fault. You have no sympathy from me or anyone else. Now that your Windows partition no longer has Windows on it, you may as well install a nice, easy distro like Mandrake, since you are not the kind of person who would find Gentoo useful. P.S. I am making an extraordinary effort to hold back. Consider yourself lucky.
Every time you run "emerge", a Microsoft drone dies.
I realize some of you will completely ignore me anyway, but I'm hoping enough will read it to make this worthwhile...
* The Live CD is already compiled; it will not compile itself when you try to boot from it.
* A stage 1 install from scratch (including KDE or GNOME) does still take several hours, or even several days on very slow computers. It's supposed to.
* If you want to install it in less than several hours, you have many options available at your disposal:
* You can use a stage 3 install so that you have a relatively quick bare bones system, and then you can compile what you need (or use binary packages in portage for the really big stuff),
* You can use a stage 3 install combined with GRP, so that the only thing you need to compile is the kernel, or
* You can now use a stage 3 install with GRP _and_ the binary kernel from the CD itself. This option has been clocked as low as 8 minutes for a fully working system! (Beat that, Windows!)
Every time you run "emerge", a Microsoft drone dies.
No, what Gentoo calls a "LiveCD" is a complete environment. We call our installation media an InstallCD, and not a LiveCD. It is our users that tend to not make the distinction.