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Firefox Hits 80,000,000 Downloads

asa writes "It's been nine months since the release of Firefox 1.0 and with tens of millions of users we most certainly are taking back the web. Today our Firefox web browser hit the 80,000,000 downloads mark. You can see the live counter over at SpreadFirefox.com."

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  1. Obvious question by syntaxglitch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...how many of those downloads are unique users, vs. prior users downloading a new version?

    1. Re:Obvious question by Omnieiunium · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is what I thought as well. I know many times I have re-installed Mozilla / Firefox by just re-downloading the install file from that site. I have also done this on multiple computers. So I have easily contributed to at least 20 of those downloads despite being only one person.

    2. Re:Obvious question by CarlinWithers · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This topic has been discussed a good dozen times already on slashdot. The same conclusion is reached every time.

      The long and the short of it is that nobody knows for sure. The point isn't exactly what the number means (80 000 000 unique downloads vs. 80 000 000 downloads by a crazed fan), but that the number is increasing, and therefore so much Firefox use to some extent.

      Personally I've been installing it on customer's systems for a few weeks now as a way to beat spyware. Some of them adopt it, some of them don't. But those who do adopt constitute an increase in Firefox use.

    3. Re:Obvious question by Eric+Coleman · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you download firefox with the firefox browser you are NOT counted. Same goes for the update mechanism in the browser, you're not counted with that.
      This number is simply a metric which happens to be number of downloads. This is not the number of users. No one ever says that, although people seem to misinterpret the download count to mean active users.
      The download number is simply a way to guage the software's popularity. And if I may say so, 80000000 downloads is a good start!

    4. Re:Obvious question by secolactico · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This topic has been discussed a good dozen times already on slashdot

      And will be discussed a dozen times over and over again because slashdot editors insist in publishing every single download milestone firefox reaches.

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    5. Re:Obvious question by mr_gerbik · · Score: 5, Funny

      And will be discussed a dozen times over and over again because slashdot editors insist in publishing every single download milestone firefox reaches.

      To be fair, Slashdot editors take a break from telling us about Firefox milestones every once in a while to give us the news that someone at Google just farted.

    6. Re:Obvious question by AnotherEscobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Excuse me?

      So when I choose to download (and I just checked, its just a download link, not a form), Mozilla.org is pulling information about my system before beginning the download. And they do this without letting me know? And they do it silently and inline with the download? And they somehow differentiate between my notebook and the guy in the next cube with the same notebook?And they somehow compare my system information generated with todays download and cross check against the other 80 million unique entries?

      Wow. Keep on taking back that web, keep on making shit up, and keep on (somehow) being moderated informative by someone who actually believed you.

    7. Re:Obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      idiots. its your http user agent that they count. https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?rh1dkyd2 most web browsers out there send information. and if you really care sbout what it sends you can change it using about:config

    8. Re:Obvious question by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >similarly to XP activation, Firefox sends us a code generated according to the computer's hardware

      Oh come on, this is just trolling.

      The secret code if it exists is called USER_AGENT. Firefox downloads don't get counted. Nor do downloads from the update mechanism. Surely, if this secret code exists you can sniff the http session and post it here.

  2. 80,000,000 downloads... by dj245 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    not 80,000,000 users. I've probably downloaded the various versions of Opera at least 20 times, between new versions and new installs of Windows. The actual number of users is far lower.

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    1. Re:80,000,000 downloads... by AngryElmo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the other hand, I've probably downloaded it as many times as you (maybe a few less), but I've installed it on 900 PC's as the default browser...

    2. Re:80,000,000 downloads... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am not a statistician by any means and could not hope to come up with a reasonable figure without a bit of study into the subject .. but here are a few thoughts

      1:) distributed media (linux CDs , magazine covers) which could make the figure appear smaller

      2:) repositories and uncounted download sites (lowering the number again)

      3:) ???

      4:) profit (sorry couldn't resist)

      5:) mass installs from a single download (system administration of companies , installing it for family and friends (again lowering the number)

      6:) reinstalls and upgrades( which heighten the figure )

      7:)People trying it out (who may or may not continue to use the product after a trial)

      So it would probably require a fair bit of study to get an actual factual figure on the size of the user base

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  3. Firefox in GNU/Linux distributions by objorkum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Almost all GNU/Linux distributions come with Firefox installed. The distribution makers only download the package once and include it in the distribution. There can be thousands of users of that package. My point is that this number is not a number that can be trusted, or am I wrong?

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  4. IE is still quite dominant by DrHanser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My weblogs show that IE is still the dominant browser, even though my two sites are primarily trafficked by those who are tech-savvy (who you think would be using a browser other than IE).

    Personally, I know I've contributed to probably 50-60 of those 80m downloads, and I'm only one person. This is partly due to the assinine update mechanism. They really need a better way to deliver patches.

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  5. In Other News by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    New Jersey, NJ - Alberto Chumpout, a former McDonald's employee now living in his parents' basement says he's exhausted after generating 80 million downloads.

    "I'll be frank," he said, "next time I choose to artificially increase browser download ratings, I'll choose Lynx."

    When asked if he had slept during this incredible marathon of downloading, Chumpout croaked "Can you help me? All I see is red foxes. My dad said I should stop using the computer. Mom didn't bother me after I disembowelled and ate dad."

    Microsoft is said to be interested in hiring Chumpout for their upcoming IE7 campaign. "Download Internet Explorer 7 or Chumpout will Chump OUT On You" is said to be the slogan, winning out over "Download IE7 and win a chance to have lunch with Steve Ballmer", which insiders said was rejected because they didn't want to scare the consumer too much.

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  6. Odd Benchmark by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    80 million? We get it Slashdot. People are using Firefox. Stick to 0, 50, and 100 if you must.

    On another point, wheres the discussion here? Are we all supposed to just pat ourselves on the back for a "job well done"? Whats the significance of this?

  7. Re:And so what...? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

    When Firefox hits the 100m mark, it may be something half-worth of a note

    I didn't know firefoxes could walk that far...

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  8. Re: Patch System by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is partly due to the assinine update mechanism. They really need a better way to deliver patches.

    If I recall correctly, they're working on a patch system that only alters the changed parts of the file (i.e. does not require full re-download and re-install). I think it's set for version 1.5 or similar.

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  9. Firefox Usage about 5% by bahwi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firefox Usage is about 5% and growing.

    Not much not much.

    But, at a store, you do not randomly kick out 1 out of every 20 people who walk in.

    5% means nothing, 1 out of 20 means much more. And growing just means it's something to pay even more attention to.

    1. Re:Firefox Usage about 5% by xYoni69x · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally, I wouldn't randomly kick out 5% of the people walking in, either.
      People who would rather kick out 5% of the people than kick 1 person in every 20 are exactly the kind of people who would use Internet Explorer.

      Wait... what?

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  10. This just in... by Twinbee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Firefox reaches 82,500,000 downloads. Only another 2,500,000 to go before the big one!

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  11. Wow by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's almost as many downloads as Windows XP Pro!

  12. Firefox Loses Market Share to IE... by antdude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't get too excited! According to Broadband Reports and ComputerWorld: "The streak of Mozilla's Firefox browser gaining market share from Microsoft's Internet Explorer has come to a grinding halt in July. For the first time since Firefox Version 1.0 made its debut, Internet Explorer was able to regain some lost ground. Firefox's market share shrunk to 8.07% in July from 8.71% in June, while Internet Explorer grew its share to 87.2% in July from 86.56% the previous month."

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  13. Spread firefox by helmetnerd · · Score: 3, Funny

    I love firefox, but there's something negative associated with the word 'spread' that I can't quite put my finger on.

    You can spread herpies, you can spread something tasty on your toast in the morning, but I'd leave "spreading" software applications to Bonzy Interactive Inc. or whatever the fuck they're called these days.

  14. how can it be superior.. by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...on "technical issues" when it only runs (natively) on Windows? "Technically" every whitebox shop out there is full-up with windows boxes that are completely hosed, despite this being the year 2005, despite all the AV and firewall products available, despite all the various patches, updates and industry recommendations to people, despite MS throwing billions at it over the years and who knows how much in terms of man years of coding effort. "Technically" just about every geek out there has to fix friends and relatives windows boxes all the time. "Technically" every iteration of windows and IE was supposed to "fix" this. And somehow automagically this new effort will be "the fix"?

    Let's run that by some vegas and london oddsmakers, shall we?

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  15. no download link by kayen_telva · · Score: 3, Informative

    am I blind or is there no download link on spread firefox ? kinda silly aint it ?

  16. Re:I've downloaded it 12 times. by JoeBar · · Score: 5, Funny

    are we supposed to know who Liz is?

  17. Here I go feeding trolls again... by Deitheres · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just not that good at paying attention to the "please don't feed the trolls" signs.

    It's not about the supposed weaknesses of Firefox, it's about its strengths. 80,000,000 downloads (even if not unique) is a good sign. You point out the inherent positive of Firefox (and Opera too): it is better than IE. IE is, currently, the de facto web browser for the majority of internet users. And it also helps to propagate spyware/viruses. By making a better product, and having that product do well, benefits everyone... in theory, it even benefits users of IE. Hopefully, the popularity and features of third party browsers (such as Opera, Firefox/Mozilla, Safari, etc) will cause Microsoft to implement these features in to future versions of IE as well. I'm not just talking about things like tabed browsing (which is in pretty much every browser by default now except IE), but increased security (like not allowing applications to automatically execute after downloading [Safari under 10.4.2]).

    I am a proud Firefox user. It has its faults, granted, but I use it on every OS I run (Win XP, OS X, and Linux) because it gives me the same experience cross-platform, and it very seldom ever crashes. I use a g4 optimized version of Firefox on my OS X machine, and it launches about 1 second faster than Safari, and about 2x as fast as IE for Mac (there's some bloatware for ya).

    So, Troll, I have fed you. If you're going to troll, at least do it well.

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  18. Re:News speak by WilliamSChips · · Score: 3, Informative
    1: Taking back the web from whom? I wasn't aware the web ever belonged to anyone.
    From IE. Technically the web doesn't belong to IE, but prior to Firefox, much of the web was IE-centric, and non-standards-compliant.
    2: 80,000,000 downloads...and how many people downloading new versions?
    Those aren't counted.
    3: ASA eh? Sounds like someone didn't want to come up with an actual name and wanted to be anonymous....yea
    Asa is the first name of Asa Dotzler, Firefox developer.
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  19. WHO CARES by bwave · · Score: 3, Funny

    I heard today that Ben Goodger took a dump. Later Tim Rowley scratched his nutsack. Is this /. or Sheep for Firefox group? There are many browsers out there, unless Mozilla foundation starts paying for all this advertising, I think there should be a ban on Firefox articles.

  20. Re:I've downloaded it 12 times. by Sygnus · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean you don't know Liz? Man... you're missing out...

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  21. Re:In other news.... by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Informative

    "because some 10 year old script kiddie was allowed to donate code to it, without some oversight committee."

    Have you ever tried to get code submitted into the Mozilla CVS? Way back when I was working on it (0.8) each piece of code was reviewed by one of the main members, then super reviewed by another. "Super reviews" could not be done by any main developer, there were only a few that could do it.

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  22. Re:I've downloaded it 12 times. by publius_jr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not to burst your bubble, but I installed it on Liz's comp 7x.

  23. Re:In other news.... by rjshields · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I for one prefer mozilla classic suite, with bundled email and composer
    Firefox has an easier transition from IE. The menu and toolbar structure is more similar. I don't think it's "dumbed down" as you say, but reorganised and more logical. Also, the download size is smaller.
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  24. Re:In other news.... by Dolda2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Firefox is just way too dumbed down for my taste, last time I looked.
    Of course, you're free to use the Mozilla Suite however much you may want, but what has happened to Firefox isn't that it has been "dumbed down". It has simply been made a web browser, which I think is A Good Thing.

    Seamonkey (the Mozilla Suite), however useful, isn't exactly "well designed" in that it's too monolithical. If you want the web browser, you get the e-mail client, calendar, Usenet client and fries on the side with it, whether you want to or not. For those of us using other programs for mailing/Usenet posting/calendaring/whatever-else, that's just a waste of resources.

    The same thing goes for the plug-in architecture of Firefox. Those who don't want/need mouse gestures don't have to waste resources on them, for example. The plug-ins also allow for a more distributed development model, since people can contribute Firefox functionality as a plug-in, without having to contribute the code to the Mozilla Foundation.

    As for Firefox going submarine, that's not going to happen. The Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird suite is the official replacement of Seamonkey, which will stop being developed after a certain point (I don't remember when, however). And then there's the issue if why they'd actaully want to do that...