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Henrico County iBook Sale Creates iRiot

pikester writes "What do you get when you combine 1000 used iBooks being sold for $50 and 1000 people desperately wanting to buy them? You get an iStampede of course! Add into the mix one guy who watches too much wrestling and one gal who re-lived her first Backstreet Boys concert by wetting herself and you'll being looking for video of the whole thing. CNN has some extra details as well." From the article: "Officials opened the gates at 7 a.m., but some already had been waiting for hours in line. When the gates opened, it became a terrifying mob scene. People threw themselves forward, screaming and pushing each other. A little girl's stroller was crushed in the stampede. Witnesses said an elderly man was thrown to the pavement, and someone in a car tried to drive his way through the crowd."

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  1. Reminds me of a song title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "In the ghetto...."

    1. Re:Reminds me of a song title by rayde · · Score: 4, Funny
      my favorite quote from TFA:

      Jesse Sandler said he was one of the people pushing forward, using a folding chair he had brought with him to beat back people who tried to cut in front of him.

      "I took my chair here and I threw it over my shoulder and I went, 'Bam,"' the 20-year-old said nonchalantly, his eyes glued to the screen of his new iBook, as he tapped away on the keyboard at a testing station.

      "They were getting in front of me and I was there a lot earlier than them, so I thought that it was just," he said.

    2. Re:Reminds me of a song title by boaworm · · Score: 2

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of harry potter's newest iBook ! :-P

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    3. Re:Reminds me of a song title by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am waiting for someone to tell me that these iBooks are overpriced and they can get a Dell laptop for $40.

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    4. Re:Reminds me of a song title by EulerX07 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Consider it done.

    5. Re:Reminds me of a song title by temojen · · Score: 2, Funny

      'round these parts we call that assault. Assault is a crime; cutting in is just rude.

    6. Re:Reminds me of a song title by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ahh reminders of exactly how big of assholes the people we share this planet with are :-)

      My first exposureto the reality that is my fellow human beings was when I was 18 at the DAyton Hamfest.

      A moron in an airplane threw a ream of papers out of the plane on a RAINY day each paper had a 1 dollar bill stapled to it. the ream of papers did not seperate, it fell as one brick 200 feet until it hit me in the head.

      What did my fellow humans and americans do? See if I was ok as I was lying there bleeding? Nope they trampled me trying to get to the one dollar bills.

      From that day on I learned that deep down, our fellow humans really are dirtballs and do not give a rats ass about anything but themselves.

      If anyone is suprised at all by thisthen they are either fools that have been insulated from reality or had an IQ below 60. (selling the ibooks for $50.00 tells me the latter was true)

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    7. Re:Reminds me of a song title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      A moron in an airplane threw a ream of papers out of the plane on a RAINY day each paper had a 1 dollar bill stapled to it. the ream of papers did not seperate, it fell as one brick 200 feet until it hit me in the head.

      Is this why you're called Lumpy now?

    8. Re:Reminds me of a song title by lusidity · · Score: 2, Funny

      No way man. That was you? lol. I seriously remember that! The Ham conventions in Dayton were insanity for sure. Definately good times though... never meet so many geeks in one place back in those days (now we have E3, etc). But yeah, that's crazy. I must've stepped on your head like 8 times that day. Well, wait, actually 9 times I'm pretty sure... I do remember that I made sure to count each one individually, but so many people were crowded around, it really was quite hard to get positioned correctly in order to allow for maximum stompage. ;) Not really, but I do remember hearing about that. I wasn't in the vicinity when that happened, but I remember people talking about it while I was there. Small world. I miss the Ham convention. A little bit. Florida is nice too though. :)

  2. That's right ladies and gentlemen by Loco3KGT · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's my state's citizens, neighbors, and friends at their best!

    I couldn't be more proud.

    *tear*

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    1. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by savagedome · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's my state's citizens

      Citizens of Virginia? Well, I have a globe of United States that you might be intested in buying!

    2. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know a few of us U.S. citizens think the world revolves around us, but we usually acknowledge that the earth is a bit larger than just the U. S. :)

    3. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's because they are citizens of their state. they ar also citizens of their country, county, and city. For the GP here is a definition of citizen.

      citizen ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st-zn)
      n.
      A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation.
      A resident of a city or town, especially one entitled to vote and enjoy other privileges there.
      A civilian.
      A native, inhabitant, or denizen of a particular place: "We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community" (Franklin D. Roosevelt).

    4. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by Peyna · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the 14th Amendment, "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

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    5. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are a state. Commonwealth just means that they are a state that has their form of government based on the republic model.

    6. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Every Nation has to grew up.

      I hear these rumors on the internets.. but alls I can asks, is... Is our children learning?

    7. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by moviepig.com · · Score: 3, Funny
      "... it became a terrifying mob scene. People threw themselves forward, screaming and pushing each other. A little girl's stroller was crushed in the stampede. Witnesses said an elderly man was thrown to the pavement, and someone in a car tried to drive his way through the crowd."

      Oh, the humanity...

      Is this the world's first iDisaster? Will iWitness accounts be published in a forthcoming iBook?

      iWonder...

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    8. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny

      A "globe of the United States"? I must have one!

      -Peter

    9. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by humina · · Score: 3, Funny

      That is why it's called the United Commonwealths of America. Land of the brave and home of the UCA Citizens. The 50 stars on the UCA flag represent the 50 commonwealths. I live in the California Commonwealth. Our commonwealth capitol is Sacramento. Our commonwealth state bird is the quail....

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    10. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by databyss · · Score: 2, Funny

      insignificant?

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    11. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by tigris · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a state. There are only 4 commonwealths.

    12. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by JabberWokky · · Score: 2, Informative
      No. I just moved from the state of California to the commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I work (telecommute) out of the territory of the Virgin Islands. There are 46 states, 4 commonwealths, 1 district, and several territories and dependant regions. Various categories have different rights - territories have representatives that can only vote on issues in committee, while states and commonwealths can vote on the floor of the U.S. Congress. The District of Columbia has no representation, as their license plates make clear (they read "No Taxation without Representation", and it's a sore issue).

      Since commonwealths have the same rights as states, they are generally lumped in together and "state" is often used to refer to the commonwealths - even inside them. But you do see "commonwealth" used quite often as well, as that is the proper term.

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    13. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by damiangerous · · Score: 2, Informative
      Meanwhile, in Sudan, Ethiopia, Niger etc. many people who are starving are patiently waiting for food supplies to be handed out.

      Huh, last time I was in Africa (in the military) we were providing security for relief agencies handing out food to those patient, peaceful people. I felt in danger of my life many times, just from them. Nevermind the roving packs of armed thugs and "warlords" whose hands those supplies would have ended up in where we not there.

      I suggest you shut your fucking hole until you get a clue about the world.

    14. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by Suppafly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do they define citizen differently in your world?

    15. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by nairnr · · Score: 2, Funny
      Ok, I'll take a stab at it... Residents of the District of Columbia aren't in a state or commonwealth.. It is a federal district for the federal city of Washington...

      The Residence Bill of July 16, 1790, established a site along the Potomac to be the capital. This federal district was first called the Territory of Columbia and the federal city the City of Washington. The name changed to the District of Columbia in 1793.

      How's that for a Canadian eh?

    16. Re:That's right ladies and gentlemen by spewey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You ignorant clod! There are six commonwealths. The former Trust Territory of the Northern Mariana Islands became a commonwealth in 1975.

  3. This story wont get many posts. by deft · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone is at the sale...

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  4. Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by N8F8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The obvious point here should be that the countyr was sellign them too cheap. Wasting taxpayer dollars. They should have sold them on ebay where they could have gotten much more than $50 without the liability of riots.

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    1. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by bnenning · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. Government officials ignorant of basic economics, what are the odds?

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    2. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The obvious point here should be that the county was sellign them too cheap

      Exactly - this obviously wasn't an efficient marketplace. It's possible the county was doing it almost as a public service, underpricing for the citizens of the county. Of course most of those people rushing for the PCs probably plan on selling them anyways - watch for a rash of iBook auctions.

    3. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a very sad thing. It's terrible to see people behave like this, and I also fault the authorities for failing to provide adequate crowd control.

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The taxpayers already paid for them once. Why should they have to pay twice?

      Because the underpricing doesn't benefit all taxpayers, but rather a small-subsection of them. If the county charged fair market value (which I wouldn't think would much more for a 3+ year old notebook, but the crowds say otherwise) then the funds would go in the general coffer, benefitting all taxpayers (as a tax-funded institution).

    5. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's terrible to see people behave like this, and I also fault the authorities for failing to provide adequate crowd control.

      If the people would have behaved themselves there wouldn't have been a need for crowd control.

      Unless you're trying to imply that human beings are incapable of acting like the most intelligent creature on the planet as some say we are.

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    6. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a trick question, right?

    7. Re:Too Cheap -Fraud and Abuse by miahrogers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The computers should have been auctioned or a lottery could have been set up to allow only a certain number to purchase them. The way it was setup was very irresponsible -- like throwing 150,000 dollars cash into the middle of a busy street!! (Really, if you guess a $200 market value on each of these that's ($200-$50)*$1000=$150,000 dollars into the street).

  5. What happened to "No - rush, 10 mins"? by EmperorKagato · · Score: 5, Funny

    OMG! Zerg Rush!

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    1. Re:What happened to "No - rush, 10 mins"? by MynockGuano · · Score: 2, Funny

      (This text inserted to bypass the lameass filter)

      Maybe that's why? >8)

  6. more information by Ankou · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had submitted this article this morning, with a little more information in case people were interested here is what I had posted:
    Henrico Co. Schools of VA decided to change laptop suppliers at the end of their contract with Apple, opting instead for a contract deal with Dell and Microsoft. The result was a couple thousand laptops of no use. In a first attempt, Henrico Co. was going to sell laptops in a free for all at $50 dollars each, but subsequent meetings and enraged tax payers made them change to limiting the sale (at least this first sale) to Henrico citizens and tax payers. The sale occurred at the Richmond International Raceway where 1000 laptops would be given on a first come first serve basis with proof of residency/tax payments. The facilitators of the event decided to close the main gates of the area until 7 AM and begin the sale at 9 AM. This did little to deter people arriving as early as 1 AM and circling the area until the main gates opened. At 6:54 AM the main gates were opened and a massive stampede of over 12 thousand attendants for the event fought to be the first in line. Injuries (albeit minor according to the Times Dispatch) and chaos ensued. One unconfirmed report I was given by an attendee was of a lady who.s ankle was broken and her baby carriage trampled by the sheer number of people shoving to get through the gates. Police support was supposedly small with off duty officers working, the event planners obviously underestimating the popularity of this event. The details of the event including the specs for the iBook (12 inch, G3 500 MHz) can be seen at this posting on the Henrico Co Schools website. In the fall there is to be another sale of which no restriction will be made on buyers, but after today.s incident, one could only imagine that it will differ highly from the chaos of today. Photos of the scene can be viewed at the article in the Richmond Times Dispatch website .

    1. Re:more information by ethx1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like that MasterCard ad. But backwards.

      Beating down losers with a folding chair: Priceless.
      Urinating on yourself: Priceless.
      Driving a car though a mob: Priceless
      Loosing your shoe in the sweltering heat: Priceless.
      iBook: $50

    2. Re:more information by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Funny

      And why shouldn't a parent, I believe I saw the FATHER carrying the little girl and broken stroller, take their child to a public venue for a sale? It's not like it was advertised as "Come on down and battle for a 'puter!!! Grab your knives and nightsticks and leave the kids at home! First come, first beaten!!!" It was supposed to simply be the local citizenry purchasing used computers from the local government.

    3. Re:more information by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Henrico Co. Schools of VA decided to change laptop suppliers ... The result was a couple thousand laptops of no use.

      Excuse me, but how does a decision to change suppliers of future purchases make currently owned equipment "of no use?" Do the iBooks figure out that their new brothers are not Apple and suddenly stop working? Does the software on them suddenly stop functioning?

      Failing to plan for a herd of vultures rioting to get almost free computers is not the crime here. The crime is the attitude that perfectly functional computing hardware is suddenly "of no use", especially coming from a taxpayer funded institution. And certainly when that institution typically cries because they don't have enough money.

      There is no reason not to use the iBooks until they croak, and then replace them with new Dells. It would teach kids that there really is more to life than Microsoft and Intel, and allow them a choice of which OS they preferred. Schoolkids are not processing gigabyte datasets that requires terrabyte disks and gigahertz CPUs. They're browsing the web and typing book reports. I'm sure an iBook can handle that.

      If I were a resident of that county, the next time the schools put a millage up for a vote I'd remind my neighbors of the profligate waste demonstrated by this nonsense and campaign for a no vote. And a replacement of the moronic school board.

    4. Re:more information by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't think for a minute that they're in the kind of shape that you'd keep your computer in.

      So let's assume that 50% are in working order.

      If the school buys 1000 Dells to hand out and keeps the iBooks, they have 1500 computers. That's 500 more than they would have if they sold all the iBooks. If that's 500 more than the number of students, well, gee, they've now got computers they can put in the library and classrooms or to hand out as replacements when these rowdy high schoolers destroy the one they've already been given. They'd have 500 computers to use in the elementary schools. If half of those iBooks break in a year, they'd still have 250 more computers than they have now.

      The point was, it is silly to think that a computer is of no use just because the next computer you are going to buy is from a different manufacturer. Those iBooks were usable; someone at that school could use a computer. Lots of someones could use 500 of them.

      Oh, and they sold for so cheap because that's what the taxpayers of the county asked the school district to do.

      That's irrelevant. The school board is elected to manage the accounts and keep the schools running. I'd love it if I could simply ask my local school board to give me things for free (or "really cheap"), but they're not doing their jobs if they agree.

    5. Re:more information by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Excuse me, but how does a decision to change suppliers of future purchases make currently owned equipment "of no use?"

      You haven't worked out many multi-computer deals, have you?

      The special-price deal they got with Dell probably included the condition that they get rid of all their non-Dell computers.

      Salesmen routinely make deals like this. Usually they're "privately-arranged" deals that are not explicit in the written contract. But the contract is carefully phrased so that they can legally demand more money if they discover any of the old computers on the premises. Some admins resist this sort of deal; many don't.

      (Dell and Microsoft aren't the only companies that play games like this. A year or so back, I got into a bit of a "discussion" with Apple's support people. They insisted that I disable the linux machines on my network before they'd help with a problem. The problem wasn't even related to the other computers; it was a difficulty getting a Mac to talk to a printer via an Airport Extreme. They wouldn't accept isolating the Mac+airport+printer from the network; they insisted that the linux boxes not be on the local network, and refused to talk to me until I disabled them all. This did backfire on them a bit, though. I recommended to management that we not use Apple equipment as infrastructure in in our network, and described this support problem as my reason. They accepted my recommendation.)

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  7. Wow by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I usually only piss myself over new apple products...

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    1. Re:Wow by Gleep · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think she was trying to re-charge the battery in her cellphone...

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    2. Re:Wow by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've noticed that my urine stream is much snappier since I got Tiger.

  8. One each? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "What do you get when you combine 1000 used iBooks being sold for $50 and 1000 people desperately wanting to buy them?"

    Looks a lot like one each to me...

  9. better links and pictures of riots by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Informative
    i posted this story earlier, heres some better links than CNNS regurge crap

    local richmond newspaper link

    another local link with slideshow pictures

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  10. Shows us how far we haven't come... by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever someone does something like this (selling something for much less than its value) scenes like these always happen.

    Ikea did this with a new store in the UK, selling a £500 sofa for £50 and mob scenes resulted, with people fighting in the aisles, people trampled and people stealing sofas off feeble old people who were unable to hang onto their purchase.

    When it comes to a bargain, I'm amazed people don't pack heat before setting off for the store.

  11. Under thought and over publicized by raolin · · Score: 5, Informative

    As geeks living in the area my friends and I were interested in getting some cheap computers to set up as servers and various low intensity jobs. The local papers and Henrico County made such a huge deal over this that I am really not that surprised by the turnout. They were selling off used and discarded low end macs, and making it sound like the deal of a lifetime.

    I personally think the county would have been better off finding a way to distribute them to low income families and possibly offering classes in their use, but what do I know.

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    1. Re:Under thought and over publicized by Mr.+Maestro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was part of a program where compaq gave hundreds of free computers to low income families. I set up classes and taught the families all the basics.
      Within months almost all of the computers had been sold to a nearby pawn shop.
      I'm not making a social commentary, these are just the facts.

  12. Ibooks are like crack.. by rice0067 · · Score: 5, Funny

    All white and promising good stuff. then you get really disappointed by the quality and want to knife your dealer.

  13. Memo to His Steveness: by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From: pschiller@apple.com
    To:sjobs@apple.com

    Steve,
    I think we've found the perfect price point to really boost Mac sales. I'll have marketing look into it, but as best I can figure, we'll lose money on every sale, but we'll make it up in volume.

    See you in Paris next month,

    Phil
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  14. For those that went there and did that... by slusich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you can get the tshirt too.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/HENRICO-COUNTY-50-iBook-t-shir t-kicked-in-the-balls_W0QQitemZ8327177210QQcategor yZ15687QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
    Seriously, they had to expect this. They should've had a more orderly way to deal with this sale.

  15. iDiots? by BikeRacer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on, doesn't everyone know they found all the golden tickets already?

  16. A few obvious questions by deft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. What about those laptops couldnt still run spelling programs? Are the kids teaching programs really running framerates they cant handle? :)

    2. Who is the moron that decided that the school didnt need the $? I'm sure those laptops could have paid for quite a few of the new computers they seem to need.

    3. Any left?

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    1. Re:A few obvious questions by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They were not 7 year old laptops, they were 4 years old. This makes them either 500 or 600MHz machines - more than adequate for most uses. I have friends who still use 500MHz iBooks for day-to-day work - they're fine for pretty much anything other than scientific computing, high-end gaming, video editing or large compiles. They will run Tiger, but if they are CD-models you will need to pay extra for the CD version. They support a maximum of 640MB of RAM, and it's well worth the upgrade - my girlfriend has one and was complaining it was slow with 128MB, with 512Mb it's very responsive and does everything she needs it to.

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    2. Re:A few obvious questions by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever tried to support a 7-year-old computer? These aren't quite that old, but they're old enough that they are getting hard to support. You can't run modern software on them, and it's not like there's an "Old Software" catalog you can order from to get programs.

      I've got an even older 366 MHz "clamshell" G3 computer. It runs the current "Tiger" version of OS X and all modern software. Only thing missing is some of the fancy "eye-candy" graphic effects with Expose and Dashboard.

  17. New Poll? by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 5, Funny
    To get a used iBook for $50, I'd be willing to...

    • Throw an elbow
    • Crush a stroller
    • Pee myself
    • Throw an old man into the pavement
  18. Um.... by osrevad · · Score: 5, Funny
    What do you get when you combine 1000 used iBooks being sold for $50 and 1000 people desperately wanting to buy them?

    You would get everyone living happily ever after with their iBooks. But there were actaully about 3000 people, which changes everything.

  19. Wonder if this'll make the county rethink switch? by Generalisimo+Zang · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They decided to switch from apple ibooks, to machines made by Dell... which is why they had 1000 Apple ibooks to sell.

    After seeing how popular the ibooks are, I wonder if they'll rethink the change to PCs? /hugs my powerbook. //it's shiiiiny. :)

  20. Actually ... by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Funny
    Crazy... Mac users.

    Actually, I bet most of 'em were Windows users, driven around the bend by viruses, bugs, and bloat, and desperate to switch. It's the only thing that could explain it.

    1. Re:Actually ... by rayde · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's true though! look at how much pent up demand there is for Mac OS X once it is affordable!! (Apple, are you listening??? Let people run OS X on their own hardware!) i'm guessing that a town selling 4 year old dell laptops would not cause quite as much of a ruckus. ;-)

    2. Re:Actually ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      I bet most of 'em were Windows users
      I bet most of them were zombies...
      iBoOoOoooOoOoooOoOk!!!! iiiiBoOoooOoooOk!!!
  21. Re:America's answer to... by kat11v · · Score: 2, Informative
    Something similar happens here in Canada during boxing day sales at Futureshop (owned by BestBuy if I'm not mistaken) and A&B Sound.

    The lineups start around 5am and there's a huge rush to get in once the doors open, grab the first thing you see that is mildly appealing and buy it "cause it was on sale, see?". My sister-in-law who works as a sales-clerk at Futureshop usually comes home absolutely exhausted after the 12 hour shift that they make them work that day. The funny thing is, you can usually get better deals during regular, non-rush times of the year if you just keep an eye out for them.

  22. Government waste by linuxwrangler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Weren't these iBooks school district property? I guess it's good to see that the schools in Henrico County are so flush with cash that they can dump their iBooks at what is obviously below market value plus pay for whatever damages and lawsuits may result from their lack of planning.

    I've been at similar mega-sales and all it took to prevent chaos was to pass out numbers to people as they arrive then let people enter in small batches. Problem solved and injuries prevented for the cost of a couple dollars of paper.

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  23. Real Live /.ing by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, we have a real live meatspace slashdotting.

    Sigh.

    No wonder everybody steers clear of this planet.

  24. Re:Where's Darwin when you need him? by EmperorKagato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What you may not understand is that still in the united states not many people can easily afford laptops or computers at the price range of 500 to $1000.

    A $50 laptop for a low income user is very ideal.

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  25. Re:Disgusting by shotfeel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the equivalent in just about any country, and you'll end up with the same thing.

    Sad? Yes. American only? No.

  26. take this ladies, children, and old men by kidNexus · · Score: 5, Funny

    first official slashdot post from a $50 iBook.

  27. Re:Oh, great idea ... by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But at least they would have maximized the cash flow, which is the most important thing, right?

    Uh...yes? Maximizing revenue to allow the schoolboard to fulfill its mandate, rather than acting as some sort of terribly inefficient, and undoubtedly seriously abused, charity computer distribution network. I'll bet that over half of those laptops end up on ebay in a day or two anyways, with no benefit to the schoolboard.

  28. My experience at the sale by bubblewrapgrl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Being a Henrico county resident, I tried to go to the iBook sale this morning. I have younger siblings who could use a computer and this was a pretty good deal for that.

    I got to the Richmond International Raceway where the sale was held at 6:55. It was pretty obvious to me that there was no way I was getting a laptop based on the number of cars trying to get in and the number of people lining up outside. So I left. The police were doing their best to try to keep the siutation under control, but you could tell that it was rapidly getting out of hand just because there were too many people. Driving back home, I think there was at least a good mile or two of cars still trying to get into the sale. I can't imagine how long those people ended up sitting there.

    I'm not sure why more people didn't just decide to leave when the saw the number of people there. I'm also not sure why the county didn't make the price higher. Having it at $100 - $200 would have made a lot of money back for the county and would have discouraged a lot of people. This has to be a net loss in profit for them based on the number of police officers that were there. It could have been handled much better.

    Rumor has it that there may be more laptops laying around (they did give one to every high school student in the county and only sold 1000). Hopefully, they are smarter next time. I guess at least I know where my tax money is being spent...

    1. Re:My experience at the sale by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the dumbest allocation of taxpayer dollars I've ever heard of. They should just sell the things for market price (get somebody to eBay them for 250-300 bucks a pop) and put that money back into school coffers so that it benefits all the taxpayers.

      Doing this (giving away several hundred dollar laptops for 50 bucks) benefits the 1000 people who happened to show up earliest on this particular day to this sale at the expense of every other taxpayer in the county. And, as you pointed out, the cost when you factor in added police hours, chaos, potential lawsuits from trampling victims, makes this more likely to cost the taxpayers more than was earned back anyway.

      Completely imbecilic idea.

  29. The worst part by Stripsurge · · Score: 2, Funny

    None of those people ended up with their lappy because some guy bought them all online while the mob was busy crushing strollers.

  30. I was there! by The+Grey+Clone · · Score: 5, Informative

    I happen to live in the Henrico area, and honestly - a fifty dollar computer is a deal you can't beat. I went there with my mother and my sister, however, after people started running, I just wanted out. I only stayed for my sister.

    It was chaos. The first people who started running, I don't know what they were thinking, but after that, you HAD to run. There is just something about 12,000 people running at you from behind that kind of makes you run away.

    Ended up getting stuck in a huge crowd for several hours, left when the police in riot gear started telling us they only had 300 left.

    I don't know if imageshack likes Slashdot or not, but it's worth a try.

    I took some pictures of the crowd, I'll post them if anyone is interested. Mine aren't as good as the ones from the times dispatch, but they gave a decent view of how many people were packed in.

    1. Re:I was there! by The+Grey+Clone · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some of my own pictures! I don't know how much imageshack likes Slashdot, but oh well.
      There was some sort of line that was formed by the people ariving early in the morning.
      But then people started just ignoring the line and wandering around, even forming a second line!
      After the mob rush, we got stuck in the huge crowd.
      The people formed a line several thousand people long!
      Then, the cops in riot gear started doing crowd control, brought in lots of metal baracades way too late. There is no way the Henrico County earned money on this sale. There were people getting heat exhaustion, the palms of my hands were turning white from lack of oxygen. It was just horrible, and the worst part of it was that if someone moved, you had to move too. Even if you didn't want to.
      Yeah, it was a riot. Maybe not to the scale of the LA ones, but dayum.

    2. Re:I was there! by IronChef · · Score: 2, Funny

      I went there with my mother and my sister, however, after people started running, I just wanted out. I only stayed for my sister.

      To hell with your mother, eh?

  31. perhaps you need to read by isotope23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    this

    Article IV

    Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

    Section 2. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

    or this :

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

    although one could argue the 14th was not properly ratified. Many "unreconstructed" southerners still hold the view that you are a citizen of your state first, and these united states second.

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    1. Re:perhaps you need to read by VAXcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yah...remember, the Bill of Rights may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we have now...

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  32. Only Apple by mezron · · Score: 4, Funny

    You just don't get this kind of exitement with Microsoft products ;)

  33. Follow up story... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most people were disapointed when they got in and discovered that the ibooks were not in fact, cabage patch kids.

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  34. Aftermath of fraud? by tgibbs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course, the true problem is that the iBooks were sold at a price well below their true value.

    My theory is the following: To get the money to purchase new laptops from Dell and Microsoft, somebody had to represent that the existing, perfectly-good iBooks were obsolete and near-worthless. If they had been offered at auction, they would have sold at a much higher price, exposing the fraud. So instead, they were offered to the public at fire-sale prices. The riot was the predictable outcome.

    In fact, it is hard to imagine what student use would have required anything more powerful than a 500 MHz iBook. The only one that leaps to mind is video editing, and somehow I doubt that a large number of students needed to do that on their laptops.

    1. Re:Aftermath of fraud? by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Henrico county residents convinced the school officials that they were entitled to the laptops because their taxes had paid for them in the first place. That's why the purchaser's had to bring proof of residency in order to buy them.

      After four years of use by public school kids, I wonder what kind of shape the iBooks were in. In my experience, kids are very hard on the things they get their hand on.

      I got the feeling that the county school system was trying to "give back" to the community. Too bad it backfired on them.

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    2. Re:Aftermath of fraud? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Informative

      sold at a price well below their true value.

      If I read the articles correctly, the local taxpayers asked the school district to sell the Laptops for cheap, since the local taxpayers already paid for the laptops.

      The real problem is that none of the organizers never thought of cancelling the sale-- when you look out the gate and see 5000+ people, maybe the thing has gotten out of hand and it's time to cancel the sale.

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    3. Re:Aftermath of fraud? by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Henrico county residents convinced the school officials that they were entitled to the laptops because their taxes had paid for them in the first place. That's why the purchaser's had to bring proof of residency in order to buy them.

      However, in reality it looks like it happened the other way around. Initially, the sale was announced with no restrictions. Only after locals protested was the sale restricted to residents.

      After four years of use by public school kids, I wonder what kind of shape the iBooks were in. In my experience, kids are very hard on the things they get their hand on.

      I'll bet they're in pretty good shape. iBooks are pretty robust, and I doubt if they are including any that have gross damage like smashed screens or broken hinges (if they are, they may have another riot on their hands). Worst damage is probably a few bad CD drives and old batteries that don't hold a charge too well.

    4. Re:Aftermath of fraud? by dal20402 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Apple computers seem to hold their value too well.

      On identical hardware OS 10.3 ran *faster* than 10.2, and 10.4 would have been faster still if not for Spotlight.

      That goes a long way toward explaining why Macs hold their value better than average Windows boxes.

      (And, yes, I know that the old Windows boxes are still good for all kinds of applications using other OSes -- but that market is awfully small even compared with the market for used Macs.)

    5. Re:Aftermath of fraud? by Desert+Raven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I read the articles correctly, the local taxpayers asked the school district to sell the Laptops for cheap, since the local taxpayers already paid for the laptops.

      Which is complete crap reasoning.

      What really happened was a few taxpayers decided that *they* should get a gift at the expense of all of the other taxpayers. The only way it could have been fair was if every taxpayer in the county got one.

      What should have happened was for the county to sell them at fair market value, and place that money into the treasury, thus maximizing the value of the taxpayer's dollars.

  35. Dumbass. by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meanwhile, in Sudan, Ethiopia, Niger etc. many people who are starving are patiently waiting for food supplies to be handed out.

    1. When the UN provides food aid, they are usually smart enough to bring along well-armed peacekeeping soldiers to prevent riots.

    2. In those cases where the UN did not bring said peacekeepers, food riots have often occurred.

    3. In those cases where the food riots did not occur, it is usually because the people were so chronically malnourished that they were too weak to riot.

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    1. Re:Dumbass. by jnewmano · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've seen it happen before my eyes, it wasn't very pretty....

  36. Assault Charges, anyone? by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    >Jesse Sandler said he was one of the people pushing forward, using a folding chair he had brought with him to beat back people who tried to cut in front of him.

    "I took my chair here and I threw it over my shoulder and I went, 'Bam,"' the 20-year-old said nonchalantly, his eyes glued to the screen of his new iBook, as he tapped away on the keyboard at a testing station.

    "They were getting in front of me and I was there a lot earlier than them, so I thought that it was just," he said.

    Hmmm.

    Henrico County Sheriff's Office
    Michael L. Wade, Sheriff
    sheriff@co.henrico.va.us

    Sheriff Mike?
    I got one for ya!

  37. Behave themselves? Look at morons in an Airport by purduephotog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, check out the group mentality of baggage pickup.

    Everyone stands a little ways off, but the MOMENT the belt turns on it turns into a shoving match where EVERYONE MUST BE NEXT TO THE BELT!

    Instead of standing 3 steps back, waiting till luggage that looks like yours comes by, walking up, checking it, leaving or pulling it...

    Now they get into shoving matches to yank the luggage free and knock their 'neighbors' (whom get pissed off) while trying to remove said dead weight.

    So yes, people act responsibly? Never. It's not possible. Any single person will act responsible, but the moment you remove the threat of punishment a free-for-all mentality of "I can get away with this, and tough shit" is born.

  38. Slashdot effect? by erroneus · · Score: 2, Funny

    So THIS is what the Slashdot effect would look like in person eh? heh... wish I could have seen that!

  39. what the heck are you smoking? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "there are some areas of public life where market or commercial approaches haven't completely encroached"

    unless you are a farmer growing your own food, market and commercial approaches have completely encroached, to use your phrase

    read: even BEFORE the invention of money this behavior existed

    all that is required are two magic ingredients: little supply and lots of demand

    presto: this "disgusting American behavior"

    hell, i amend my initial comment: it's not even a human attribute, it's an attribute of all animals hard at work getting scarce resources

    ever see a feeding frenzy around a dead carcass on the dicsovery channel?

    how about animal behavior around a watering hole during a drought?

    how out of touch with reality can you possibly be?

    based on your words, am i to suppose that when ants go crazy over a dead bug carcass, they've been corrupted by american consumerism? ;-P

    please try to understand the reality you live in a little better!

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  40. Re:Oh, great idea ... by MooseByte · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Of course, selling them on ebay would mean that the only people who could buy them would be people who already had access to a computer. "

    Then again given the stampede, the crushed baby stroller, the lady peeing on herself and the guy swinging the folding chair, suddenly "already had access to a computer" is sounding like a pretty darn desirable filter. ;-)

  41. Now imagine a line for food... by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This gives you an idea of just how fine a line there is between civilization and complete anarchy. Imagine a fuel crisis much worse than the Carter era, where only a select few can have access to gas each week. Or food shortages. Or a mass bio-hazard.

    Better yet, the bird flu. A mass epidemic. Imagine the scene at hospitals. This is why crisis management and homeland security dollars are important - too bad they are being treated by politicians as just another thing to pork barrel. We spend money buying firefighters in Wyoming HazMat suits and trucks - but a nuke in NYC would be catch us completely un prepared.

    I always enjoy these little reminders of how close the American public is to hysteria.

    1. Re:Now imagine a line for food... by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely, in fact its said that in reality a 'dirty bomb' would be pretty harmless, but the biggest cause of danger would be the panic and anarchy it would create, hampering the clean-up operation - people become selfish at the slightest hint of opportunity or trouble if they think they can save themselves or get something for free. In some cases they are better off doing what they are told, but in those scary scenarios like a nuclear attack you're going to steal the nearest car and not take your foot off the pedal for 50 miles.

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  42. He should date Ellen Fleiss! by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "So, I was like, waiting in line at the Henrico County iBook sale, and there were lika a lot of people there who wanted $50 iBooks. And people started pushing and shoving, and I was like "hey, don't be pushing in front of me beeeeeotch! ", but she just wouldn't listen. So I raised my aluminum folding chair over my shoulder and BAM! , smacked that bitch up good. But then the police came and told us the iBooks were all gone.


    ... I bet it would've been a pretty sweet $50 iBook, though.

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  43. Re:Behave themselves? Look at morons in an Airport by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's always a small group of folks who stand back and let the herd struggle with one another over baggage. We lean against the wall, amuse ourselves over the antics of our fellow human beings, and then go pick up our bags after the crowd thins out. Which takes what? All of five or ten minutes? In exchange for the free amusement?

    Max

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  44. Re:Disgusting by Bullfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This could happen anywhere. In the past I would have been shocked, but reality TV (which is popular most everywhere) has punctuated for me just how low people are willing to go for money or things. The lure of getting something for nothing or next to nothing is just too great.

    Honey, just swim across that swimming pool full of chicken manure suspended in wesson oil without upchucking the four rancid gopher meat burritos they fed you and we get a new SUV!

    Sad really

  45. Reporting from Henrico.. by cOdEgUru · · Score: 3, Informative

    My Good Lord, I almost relived "War of the Worlds" where people start killing each other for a spot on a Van.

    I got there around 5:45 and the crowd was already over a 1000, snaking along the road for half a mile. It got worse as it got near to 7:00 when the gates were supposed to open. There were hardly 4 law enforcement officers near the gate and even they were hardly prepared for the onslaught at 7:00. More over, even after having over a month to prepare, there was hardly any planning. They could have let people in to the Raceway which had a huge parking lot and used barricades to create a maze like queue. I am positive people would have respected that, but they made people wait in unmanaged queues outside the gate. They could have opened just one gate, and let people trickle in. Instead they opened two gates, one wide enough for cars waiting outside to enter (which they did plus hundreds waiting to pounce) plus they flung open the gates where people were waiting and you bear witness to what ensued by looking at the slideshows on Times dispatch. People ran like as if a pack of hellhounds were at their heels and in less than 30 seconds a "queue" (if you can call it that) formed outside the entrance to the facility which was more like 10 queues side by side.

    People were fainting all around us, fire department did what they could. Swat team in riot gear assembled towards the back of the facility, willing to step in to do what they can if things get more worse. There were still less than 10 law enforcement officers in regular attire trying to manage the crowd. People were unruly, cussing and dropping like flies around us as the heat picked up.

    Towards 9:30, authorities realized they need a plan and put together some barricades and started channeling people inside the facility. It was another 3 hours before I got in and got my hands on one. I am sure Steve jobs will be licking his lips in anticipation of 1000 odd users foraging through his stores..

    Anyway, this was an event that went to hell in a handbasket in 10 seconds straight. Due to bad planning or lack of it, something that could have been organized to the point where the whole thing should have lasted a couple of hours, it turned out in to a free for all, where people, regardless of their social status put a lid on their conscience and returned to more basic instincts.

  46. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Completely missing from the story is one important detail:

    Who was the DUMBASS from this school's administration that decided to sell 1000 laptops for less than 1/15th of what they could have fetched on eBay?

    Hell, even a rip-off joint like Computer Rennaisance would have given them about $200 a pop for those things.

    Whoever made this call should be fired.

    Not just for causing a riot which anybody should have seen coming...

    Not just for dumping those spiffy iBooks and making the teachers there settle for crappy Dells (probably Latitude 600 seris, if they are very lucky...)

    All that, yes, but also for throwing away more than $700,000 dollars worth of school assets.

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  47. Re:Disgusting by sa1lnr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its happened here in London UK but not for computer kit. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4252421. stm

  48. Virginia is a commonwealth by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want to get technical, Virginia doesn't call itself a state -- it's a commonwealth. The US has three other commonwealths - Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky.

  49. the analogy is dead on by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    severe demand+short supply=ugly behavior

    true across all humanity and even the animal kingdom

    to illustrate the absurdity of your position, are you telling me the same scene wouldn't happen in brazil or india or china?

    and if it did, would you insist it was because the people there got corrupted by american capitalism?

    gee, that's funny, why haven't they been corrupted by medieval venetian capitalism? or ancient sumerian bazaar mobbing?

    methinks you simply don't understand that this behavior is extremely close to intrinsic human behavior, even animal behavior

    no modern buzzwords apply: you're simply out of touch with the reality of human behavior

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  50. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, since it was taxpayer money that paid for them, they probably were just disposing of them rather than trying to get top dollar. Sort of a community service if you will...

    Personally, if I had known that sort of riot would happen, I woulda just camped-out with refreshments and a video camera and enjoyed the spectacle (don't need an ibook).

    And they could've easily avoided creating a problem in the first place by just giving people numbered tickets in the order they arrived - then calling them out in order when they were ready to sell. If someone doesn't respond within a few minutes of the number being called, they lose their spot and someone else farther down the list gets called. Simple and smart.

    Doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out how to do this without causing a riot...

    N.

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  51. Re:Behave themselves? Look at morons in an Airport by Yaztromo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    in Toronto/Montreal/Winnipeg/Vancouver, they all just stand around keeping away from other people. When the belts move, everyone stays still. Sometimes, people say "excuse me" and someone will move over and let them. There are no armed guards, and no one tries to steal your bag.

    I wanted to amplify this. I just flew from Vancouver to Toronto this past Friday, and while it took a while to get my luggage due to the plane landing at the IFT (Infield Terminal), it did give me a chance to stand around and watch the human animal.

    I have to say, watching these people at Canada's biggest and busiest airport, I felt pretty good about ourselves as a people. There was no pushing or shoving. Everyone did indeed stand two or three paces back waiting for their bags to show up. The only "event" was mostly a non-event: a petite woman who flew in from China with a suitcase that probably weighed as much as she did asked me if I could help her get her bag off the carousel (for which I had to say "excuse me" to a few people so I could manhandle it off).

    If I can generalize for a moment, in all of my travels the vast majority of people I see behaving badly in airports are Americans. Earlier this decade I was travelling back to Toronto from Schiphol Airport (in Amsterdam, The Netherlands). I had been warned by airport staff well in advance of my flight that it is a good idea to get into the line to get your passport stamped at least a hour before boarding time, so I did (actually, it was probably closer to two hours in advance -- I got there early, and was trying to enjoy a leisurely day).

    By the time I made it to the half-way point in line after about 30 minutes, a man and woman sudddenly forced themselves into line in front of me, mumbling something about their flight leaving in 20 minutes (note: they didn't ask -- they just shoved me out of the way while they jammed their luggage in front of me). I was cheesed, but to be honest I had lots of time, felt for their situation somewhat, and decided to say nothing. After all, I have that world-renouned "Canadian politeness" to live up to.

    And to be honest, at that point I didn't know that these people were Americans. Just minor league jerks. But then they spent the next half hour bitching about how they wouldn't have had to stand in line back in the US, and how terrible air travel is in the rest of the world.

    (Okay -- hint for those Americans reading this who have never been outside their own country: IMO, Schiphol Airport gets an A. It was very efficient, and the staff was super nice. Additionally, just try being a foreigner travelling at a US airport, and the situation is often much, much worse than what little wait these people had to put up with).

    By the time I had made it to the front of the line, I had let nearly a dozen more Americans into line in front of me, all of whom had arrived "just minutes" before their flight was to leave (or, in the case of one couple, as their flight was leaving). They all seemed to congragate around this woman who was (at this point) very loudly bitching about having to stand in a line at the airport. They berated the airport, the airport staff, and the whole country of The Netherlands in general. I was embarassed to admit I was from the same continent as these people.

    Now admittedly there were probably 20 or more other Americans in the line who got to the airport in plenty of time who were likewise embarassed by the actions of these people. But it seeems that every time I travel anywhere and run into someone behaving badly in the airport and ask them where they're from, it turns out they're from the US. You never see those people helping old ladies get their baggage off, or letting louts who arrived at the airport 10 minutes before their flight was to leave get into line in front of them because they arrived in sufficient time.

    So maybe it shouldn't be any wonder that the grandparent routinely sees people bahaving b

  52. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by adrianmonk · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Who was the DUMBASS from this school's administration that decided to sell 1000 laptops for less than 1/15th of what they could have fetched on eBay?

    That's a very good question. I think the CNN article was a bit misleading in that it didn't describe the true market value of the actual laptops. Someone from the area has stated that they were 500MHz G3 laptops. A little research on eBay of completed items that are comparable indicates they would sell for something like $300 to $325 on average, depending on configuration.

    So, that's still $250 per laptop down the drain. Given 1000 laptops, that's $250,000 taxpayer dollars wasted if they could've gotten the real value for each one.

    Now, having said that, it takes time and effort to list things on eBay, and flooding eBay with 1000 similar laptops is likely to drive prices down. But still, there are companies out there who buy used computers in bulk and resell them. They probably could have gotten maybe $200 per computer from such a company, with no effort at all. So they are still wasting $150,000 even if they had gone the easy route.

    The worst part of all this is that $150,000 could pay, depending on salaries and the cost of benefits, for a teacher for 2 or maybe 3 years. Letting citizens get a nice break on a laptop is neat perk, but is it really worth taking $150,000 out of your school district's budget? And even if it didn't come out of the school's budget, is it really fair to the taxpayers who had to pay the money in but really don't need a laptop (or already have one, etc.)? It amounts to redistributing wealth, but in a totally arbitrary manner. If the school district is already so well-funded they really don't need the money, then what they should've done is sold the computers for a fair value and then sent rebate checks out to the taxpayers. Or, put it in a rainy day fund at the very least. Or establish a foundation, or a small scholarship.

  53. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by digitalderbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who was the DUMBASS from this school's administration that decided to sell 1000 laptops for less than 1/15th of what they could have fetched on eBay?

    The same person that was first in line.

  54. No accurate crowd headcount? by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a racetrack, for Christ's sake-- you're telling me they didn't have turnstiles with counters on them at the entrances there, like every other friggin' stadium and other large public venue in the country does?

    What a total fiasco. I can't wait until the first civil suit gets filed by one of the people who got injured. You know it's coming, and a nice settlement will result.

    Even if they wouldn't put the things on eBay like anyone with a shred of sense would have, there were still a million better ways to do this than a friggin' battle royale-- for example, why didn't they give out numbered tickets to everyone who showed up before a certain time, and then draw "winners" at random from that group?

    If there will be more of these iBook fire sales, I hope they put some more thought into the execution than they did for this one.

    ~Philly

  55. Probably their "book" value by alexhmit01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Generally, assets are depreciated over a set schedule. UNLIKE Tax accounting, where the IRS sets the depreciation schedule, for financial reporting and to some extent governments, can set the rules.

    For example, they may have decided that we buy these machines for $1250, will get four years out of them, then have a salvage value of $50. Therefore, we take $300/year in machine costs (the depreciation) and sell them at the end.

    Now, if a corp. sold them at the end for $200, then they would book $150/each. as a profit on disposed asset. But the school system has no concept, so likely sold them for the salvage value from 4 years ago... and that salvage value was probably based on previous laptop salvage pricing, ignoring that the Mac market tends to have higher salvage values.

    So it likely wasn't fraud, but rather a government official confusing accounting with reality.

  56. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by log0n · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having worked in a public school system that has collaborated on tech projects with Henrico Co Schools...

    Making ANY money off of reselling these laptops is a good thing. Most of the time end of life gear is destroyed (along the systems legal definition).

    There are VERY strict rules about reselling 'expired' goods. These are set by both county/district mandate as well as Board of Ed policy. The few things that are allowed to be sold / non-damaged generally have to go through a review (to determine why they are being destroyed - or why they no longer serve as intended) have to go to public auction and there are very few goods that get to this point. The fact that they were able to recoup any cash whatsoever is a major policy shift.

  57. Re:Reminds me of a WWWF moment. by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An even better idea would have been to offer a reverse (dutch) auction with the price starting at $1000 or so, as the price ticks down, bid and take all you want at the current price. You can show up 2 minutes before the auction and get all the computers you want at the price you want, if it is above the market clearing price. If I'd known about this, I would have taken the day off and road tripped down to Richmond with a cooler or more full of cold sodas and iced teas and perhaps some snacks to sell. Then I'd have returned to the Apple store in DC and bought a new laptop with my proceeds.

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