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Firefly Movie Using Viral Marketing?

CABridges writes "According to the official movie site, some interesting "security excerpts" have begun popping up online, first at iFilm. The videos (two, so far) appear to depict River Tam during various stages of her incarceration and mental capacity. More to come?" Also, in vaguely related and somewhat humorous news XJHardware writes "For those of you who really need an obsessive/compulsive hobby here's a good example. Seems this fellow Chris Doyle built a model of Serenity from the upcoming movie and too-quickly canceled series Firefly."

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  1. 'viral' marketing? by REBloomfield · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can someone explain why this is called 'viral' marketing? Seems more like the hype machine at work more than anything else. That thing with the BBC and wikipedia made me wonder the same thing.

    1. Re:'viral' marketing? by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are exploiting sites (such as Slashdot) to raise awareness of the film, through word of mouth and such like. We are the ones doing the "viral marketing", simply by having this discussion...

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    2. Re:'viral' marketing? by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the idea is that this kind of "marketing" doesn't need to be marketed. You release some information/footage/specs and let the internet go crazy and spread the news for you, like a virus.

    3. Re:'viral' marketing? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, it's a little more specific, I think. Viral marketing tends to imply that the "word of mouth advertising" is started by releasing small amounts of obscure or confusing information. It doesn't look like an ad. It looks like a leak or something they don't want you to know about.

      So the "word of mouth" when people say, "what the hell is this?" and the mystery/obscurity of the information drives the spread, not the virtues of the product. Viral marketing works on something like reverse psychology. The point is, whatever they're selling is so cool and underground, you shouldn't really know about it, so everyone wants to know about it.

  2. Firewhat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Firefox changing name again?

    1. Re:Firewhat? by EddieBurkett · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. Right now it is just the Joss Whedon fanboys (of which I am one) who are interested in the movie, and it will probably just be them who go to see the movie. But the problem with being a Whedon fanboy is that we think the show was so good, we want everyone to see it, effectively converting them in to fanboys. So just save you and me the time, go get yourselves the DVD's of the show, and become one of us. Resistance isn't futile, but its going to be a pain for us both...

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    2. Re:Firewhat? by darkitecture · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Well I'm NOT a fan of Joss Whedon's previous work. At all. I can't stand Buffy or Angel. But I LOVE Firefly. I think there's a potential market for both Whedon fanboys and new fans.

      Seriously people, for those who hate Buffy or Angel, don't be fooled into thinking it's more of the same. Firefly is completely different to his previous stuff and definitely worth the hype, DVDs and movies. I yearn for more episodes to be made. Please, give Firefly a shot!

  3. Viral Marketing by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those that don't know (myself included), Wikipedia is your friend

    1. Re:Viral Marketing by dan+the+person · · Score: 2, Informative

      No need for an encyclopedia to explain the concept.

      It's simply another term for "word of mouth".

    2. Re:Viral Marketing by mmkkbb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not exactly. It's socially engineered word-of-mouth.

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    3. Re:Viral Marketing by Harbinjer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Issn't that called astro-turfing? In other words artificial grass-roots type thing?

      Or is this somehow the same thing?

    4. Re:Viral Marketing by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No need for an encyclopedia to explain the concept.

      The term "viral" immediately gives the impression that it's bad. However, I think in this context it's good - the "marketting" is well targetted, so doesn't annoy people who aren't interested, and is interesting to those targetted (if it wasn't, it wouldn't work).

    5. Re:Viral Marketing by bigpat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even more precisely, it's a marketing attempt to generate buzz about a product by getting company whores to act like real people and claim their product is great. As such, I wouldn't go within 100 yards of this movie no matter how much I liked the series (assuming I'd ever watched it). Not because the company whores are necessarily wrong about the awesomeness of their product, but because marketing hacks are soulless leeches and they all deserve to be kicked in the nuts.

      here here. I'd much rather they stick to parading around scantilly clad women to promote products. That is money well spent.

    6. Re:Viral Marketing by bigpat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Issn't that called astro-turfing? In other words artificial grass-roots type thing?

      How is this "artificial" if you can convince unpaid people that your product or cause is worth telling other people about? I heard the buzz over the last few years, all the people saying how great the series was and it was a sin that it was canceled. I bought the DVDs and I agree and I want as many people as possible to know that we were deprived of good art by stupid executives at Fox that were apparently unwilling to continue with the series, probably because of the riske nature of the series' atmosphere in light of political pressures at the time.

      Marketers can't artificially create a self sustaining buzz, they can only serve to help get it started. If I had bought the DVDs and they sucked then I would have told people that it was a bunch of horse shit. But they didn't suck, it was a great series. You know the type of thing that you can't stop watching all weekend long even though you have lots of shit to do? And I'm not talking about the bad monster movies on the sci fi channel that you watch when nothing else motivates you to leave the couch on a Sunday afternoon. I'm talking about really interesting stories with some hillarious dialog. They got it, they got it good.

      There is nothing artificial about successful viral marketing, especially as regards to Serenity. And if it is unsuccessful then who cares.

    7. Re:Viral Marketing by Rhinobird · · Score: 2, Informative

      Asto-turfing is creating fake grass roots.

      Which then make this sort of thing more akin to prmitive farming or cultivation. The grass and roots are real, but seeds do have to planted and allowed to grow. what would we call it? Farmed grass? Cultivated roots? Lawn grass (as opposed to wild grass roots)? Bamboo?

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    8. Re:Viral Marketing by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Informative
      Isn't that called astro-turfing?
      It is similar. But the goal of astroturfing is to create support for something by giving the impression of support (by apparently "neutral" third parties) where none exists. It's fundamentally dishonest. The goal of viral marketing is to create support by getting customers to spread the word themselves, usually by engaging their curiosity with something mysterious. The best viral marketing campaigns are not dishonest, though lately companies have taken to getting people to spread the word by givening them prizes or even just paying them which can get dishonest if those people are pretending that they don't have a business relationship with the marketing team.
  4. It will never work! by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nobody will fall for such obvious viral marketing techniques by spreading the news on their site. I'll be surprised if I ever even hear of this.

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  5. The Virual Jackpot by buffy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Posted on Slashdot? We hit the jackpot, baby! Virual Marketing Gold!

    Just watch the hit counter in the next hour or so.

  6. Ahem -- Lego by sigmaseven · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems this fellow Chris Doyle built a model of Serenity from the upcoming movie

    There's a key word missing from this sentence that might put it into a clearer perspective, and that word is Lego. That said, the Lego Wash is adorable.

    1. Re:Ahem -- Lego by KingSkippus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wouldn't it be great if they shot some of the scenes on full-size Lego sets? I know that's one extra feature that would be a sure way to get me to buy the DVD!

      I hope that someone makes a Lego version of the movie at some point.

      Oh, and you're right, the Lego version of the crew is awesome, though I have to reserve "adorable" to describe Lego Kaylee! Lego Jayne and Lego Book are too funny...

  7. from the movie? by theblueprint · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As a big Firefly fan, I wonder if these scenes are from the movie, or if they're something made for "hype" only. I haven't seen any of the trailers yet, and I don't want to watch these if it's footage from the movie.

    If these are some shorts that are excluisve of the movie content, I think it's a good idea. Fanboys can get their "fix" and not spoil anything.

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  8. oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shiny!

  9. Re:All to quickly? by N8F8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fox was going for a different target market than what the show was bringing in. Cosidering it did get decent viewership in spite of the fact they aired the series completely out of order should a one indicator of the suckiness. Another is the fat that it is still one of the top box sets at Amazon two years on with very little marketing.

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  10. Those were lame by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to say though that the DVD series was my best purchase of the last year. I was skeptical when I bought it because some of the Amazon commenters were saying that the only reason it was getting five stars was because of people rating it over and over. However, having watched it I think it really lives up to the hype and then some. I'm just sad they aren't making any more, it was the only drama I've ever actually liked.

  11. Re:All to quickly? by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry you think that, but I have to disagree. I bought the DVD set a few months ago on a whim and loved it. I then lent it to a friend who wasn't particularly enthusiastic and received a text message from him that very night saying "Firefly kicks ass, shame there's so little of it left to watch". That's a perfect 2 out of 2, and last week I lent it to my 53 year old father, let's see if he likes it too. Just because not many people watched a show doesn't mean it sucked. You obviously weren't one of the people trying to get tickets for a Serenity screening this year, I tried to get one for the Edinburgh International Film Festival next Sunday and the ticket lines were engaged and the booking computer went down under the load. If Serenity is a good movie it will be a hit, because the fans won't let it be hidden amongst the competition.

  12. Re:All to quickly? by Gannoc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I know this is a troll. I know it. I know it.


    Nonetheless, I have to say that despite the tendancy for geeks to latch on to a crappy cancelled show, Firefly was a great series. Rent/Buy/Steal the DVD and check it out for yourself.

  13. From the Firefly podcast by lesinator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I co-host the Firefly/Serenity podcast The Signal. We have already interviewed Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Gina Torres (Zoe) and Ron Glass (Book) and they are all really behind the movie & the Firefly franchise. To quote Adam "Joss called me up the other day and said 'you should see the movie now (with all the effects & final music in place), it is so cherry!'". They really show an enthusiasm & devotion beyond what one would expect if it were just another acting job to them. There are a lot others grass roots efforts like ours out there promoting Serenity from the bottom up. Its very exciting to see the groundswell of anticipation build with with the advance screenings & now other new clever marketing tools that Universal is using.

    L

    1. Re:From the Firefly podcast by lesinator · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, barring "My Bodyguard II" what else has Adam Baldwin got to do with his time?


      Yeah, Adam hasn't really done much between My Bodyguard and Firefly..... only Full Metal Jacket, ID4, The Patriot, X-Files for 2 seasons, etc...


      L

  14. These guys know their market by zrk · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's for sure. I saw the trailer for Serenity when we went to go see 'The 40 Year Old Virgin". Hmmm.

  15. Re:what am i missing? by EddieBurkett · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ok. can i ask, what am i missing? i saw firefly when it was on.
    What you're missing is any sense of continuity. When Fox aired the show on tv, they aired the episodes out of order and skipped some episodes. That hurt alot of the subplots that Joss was building over the course of the season. I was a Whedon fan and at the time the show was on tv, I didn't appreciate it much, either. But a friend got me the DVD's, and I went in expecting it not to live up to the hype, and I was way wrong. If you are basing your opinion of the show based on how Fox aired it, you are doing the show a disservice.
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  16. The abulance from the show was found... by doublem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A guy was poking around in a aircraft graveyard in the American Southwest, and found the flying ambulance from the Firefly episode "Ariel"

    He then put the photos up on his journal here.

    This isn't viral marketing, it's scavenger hunt marketing!

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  17. Re:Skip the excerpts checkout the Legos by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seen them, read about them, liked them. Don't fear spoilers. It's stuff you should already be able to figure out if you've seen the series and not from the movie from all accounts. It IS new video created specificly for this campaign.

    Watch it, it's interesting.

  18. Surprisingly good show! by Sidane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I picked up the Firefly series on DVD last week after reading various good things about it and seeing the Serenity trailers. I am working my way through it and am loving it. My expectations were very high and I'm usually very critical and switch off mediocre quality shows very quickly, especially sci-fi. So much to my surprise Firefly actually lives up to the hype. Shame they cancelled it. I'd recommend any sci-fi fans out there to give it a chance.

  19. Re:Err... by Nutcase · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are totally wrong.

    The dialog and characters in Firefly and Serenity are pretty damn far from Hollywood. The trailer is cut that way because it's a trailer, and wants to depict a typical fun sci-fi action popcorn movie, so more people will see it. You know, marketing.

    Watch a few episodes of the show. Then add a much darker plot line, insanely higher levels of space action, and some incredible character twists.

    Also, this is NOTHING like Matrix, Star Wars, or Star Trek. It has more in common with The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or maybe even something like the Bourne Identity.

  20. Recently got back into it by Winterblink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, I watched some episodes on the air when it first came out, and really didn't enjoy it much. Space western? I was expecting something more along the lines of Cowboy Bebop, and that it wasn't. So I didn't mourn its passing.

    But recently, on a whim, I decided to nab the DVD set. It's interesting because now after watching all the episodes out, in the proper order they were meant to be, I actually really enjoy the show immensely. The characters are all well done, the acting's great, the writing is subtle and excellent, it's just generally a very well thought out series on the same level as shows like Battlestar Galactica.

    So for those who might be wondering what all the hype's about, go check out the DVD set. It's not that expensive, but might be a bit tricky to find. You won't be disappointed, and it will get you set for Serenity, which looks amazing.

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  21. Question by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do I need to watch the Firefly episodes before I go see Serenity?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've seen the pre-showing.

      No, it's not absolutely necessary - but it helps.

      The movie does a decent job of covering the back story, but it can't give you the full sense of the character interactions and the 'in-jokes'.

      In other words, you can understand the movie without seeing the shows, but it will be a lot more fun if you do.

  22. Re:Word of mouth is not viral marketing by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Real viruses spread under their own steam, by moving between vulnerable people. Viral marketing spreads awareness of a product by "seeding" carefully chosen forums/blogs with the info, and letting readers spread the hype. Although some readers are quite able to exercise free will and keep quiet (analogous to people with high resistance to a virus), sufficiently many do not and act as vectors for the info. The viral analogy isn't perfect, but then the analogy between "memes" and "genes" is about as good...

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  23. Sorry to be offtopic... by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But I'm interested in the obsession with Firefly, but don't feel like plunking down money for the DVD's unless I know I'm buying something good (and my patience for torrents are roughly three hours).

    So here's my question, are there Firefly fans out there who didn't watch Buffy or Angel, etc.? Because I really really didn't like those shows and if such an intersection of Buffy non-fans and Firefly fans exists, I'd like to hear from their opinions on Firefly.

    If you could wait until I get a response or two before modding me offtopic, I'd appreciate it.

    1. Re:Sorry to be offtopic... by Heisenbug · · Score: 2, Informative

      I must admit I've seen most of Buffy and liked it, but Firefly is in a whole other class as far as I'm concerned. My roommate, 20ish geekish sort of guy, doesn't like Buffy, and after he saw the first episode of Firefly he watched the rest of the episodes in one (10 hour?) marathon.

      There's always people on these threads who weren't into it, so obviously YMMV. I'm betting if you're into sci-fi at all it's well worth the $40, though.

    2. Re:Sorry to be offtopic... by Halthar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally, I was never a fan of either Buffy or Angel, in fact I never understood the attraction to either show. I did enjoy Dark Angel(First Season) though, and one of the unaired episodes of Firefly has a scene that seems familiar, for some reason. I think anyone who watches this series and the first season of Dark Angel will know the episodes I am talking about.

      That having been said, Firefly is actually a VERY good show. I don't have cable since I watch very little TV, generally. As a result I never saw a single episode of the series while it was on. I think in a way I was blessed, because had I seen the episodes out of order I never would have really been able to appreciate the show.

      Actually, even if the show was horrible, in my opinion it would be worth it just to see Inara in a tight dress.

      Fortunately, the show IS worth the viewing time. The character devel. is very well done, and I can't help but find myself actually being happy for the crew when things go well, and getting angry when things go poorly. As a result, I am actually somewhat angry about the last few episodes of the DVD. They are very well done, the stories are good, they weave into the fabric well, but there are some things I wish had come to some kind of resolution. For the same reasons I both enjoyed and at the same time hated the first season of Dark Angel.

      One of the things that makes the DVDs wonderful, and a curse, is that by the time you get to the last few episodes, you don't want the series to end, yet you know it does. You want some of the conflicts and mysteries solved, but they never are. The only problem I found was the various unresolved issues. If you can deal with that, then it's definitely worth either renting or purchasing the DVDs.

      One of the reasons the show works is because the cast of the show was actually really into making it. They cared about the artistic side of what they were doing, and seem to have really put everything they could into making the show. Not just the cast, but everyone involved. There is an interesting portion of the "Making Of" extra on the DVD that really explains their mindset well. It's the classic "Labor of Love" story, with even the person doing the musical score involved.

      The most recent show I would compare it to is the new BSG series. The shows are completley different, but the same sense of dramatic tension is there, and equally well done, in my opinion. The character development is about equally well done on both shows. Some of the CG between the two shows is quite similar as well. Basically, if you have watched and like the new Battlestar, and watched and liked the first season of Dark Angel, then I personally think that you would really like Firefly.

      With regard to torrenting the show. I admittedly torrented the DVD rips of the first 3 episodes. I watched them, and the next day purchased a copy of the DVD set. Having watched all of the episodes, it was definitely worth my money and my time. I believe that had they allowed the series to run as it was intended and in a good time slot it would currently still be airing. Admittedly, having watched the show, I am somewhat biased.

    3. Re:Sorry to be offtopic... by socrates32 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have never enjoyed Buffy or Angel. Though, to be fair, I've only seen (maybe) two episodes of each.

      Firefly, on the other hand, is perhaps the best all-around live-action sci-fi I've ever seen. Think a cross between original Trek and Blade Runner, with some Seven Samurai and A Fist Full of Dollars thrown into the mix. In my opinion, one of it's stronger qualities is a lack of alien-of-the-week syndrome, which usually simply serve as convenient plot devices, rather than characters. It is very well written with both humour and edge. It even has realistic (and caustic) swearing, albeit in Chinese.

      Definitely worth the cost of the DVD set.

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    4. Re:Sorry to be offtopic... by CharAznable · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't really care for Buffy or Angel, but Firefly is one of the very best sci-fi shows ever. Imagine a show where the protagonist is Han Solo, and he offs Greedo by shooting first IN EVERY EPISODE!!!

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    5. Re:Sorry to be offtopic... by cjmilne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is an interesting question that's getting a range of responses. My take on it is fairly straightforward, the comparisons to Buffy/Angel are appropriate only in that they have the same creator, otherwise they would probably not be compared at all.

      Perhaps a more interesting question is whether Firefly would have become more similar to Buffy/Angel had it made it through several seasons ? Buffy was an entertaining show but to a certain extent it also became quite serialized and impenetrable as it aged. Firefly's first season is much more accessible and required much less subtext per episode for enjoyment, as would be expected for the first season. I suspect however that had it survived through multiple seasons it too would have succumbed to the nested, opaque plotlines that plagued Buffy. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, long-time viewers are rewarded for their persistence, but few shows outside the Simpsons have managed the balance between rewarding the-Comic-Book-Guy-viewer and the brand-new-viewer and I suspect that based on Joss Whedon's history, Firefly's initial broad appeal would have quickly been lost.

      Chris

  24. Re:They're marketing to a false stereotype by sacherjj · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll be in my bunk.

  25. Viral Marketing Doesn't Work! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Tell everyone you know!

    (With apologies to NTK).

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  26. MOD PARENT UP (invent a new level if you have to) by suitepotato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's a truer thing said on Slashdot, it would not be so important as this though it has been said before in different ways.

    If Linus wanted to sell paper cups with the Linux name on them, there'd be a stampede to get the news posted. If a new geek cult game releases, there's a post. Slashdot readers submit posts knowing the editors cannot resist publishing them because everyone knows the other readers will comment on them by the hundreds. Much of the news is stuff that DOESN'T matter. WE ARE the viral marketing and we do it DESPITE our own cynicsm. Oy.

    Maybe we should get it over with and charge people to talk about their product and get it exposed to the tech brigades instead of giving them free advertising here. I won't even say the name of this movie franchise I'm so sick of hearing about it never mind sick of the incessant ways it gets squirreled into being mentioned.

    Next big Slashdot running gag: inserting catch words and product names that are already known to be over-hyped.

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  27. Patiently Waiting by J3M · · Score: 2

    This will be one of the only movies in years that I plan on seeing opening weekend. What makes it even better is that my girlfriend is also patiently waiting. She is not a scifi fan at all. I talked her into watching FireFly with me. She loved it. So much so that she would get home from work and one of the first things she'd ask is "Are we watching disc 3 of FireFly tonight?".

    Since then I've loaned the discs to her Dad and her Brother who have both loved the series as well. I've probably helped sell at least 8 movie tickets to people who didn't even know about FireFly or the upcoming movie.

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  28. Re:The ambulance from the show was found... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fellow subsequently went back and took many more, better photos--including himself (wearing a "Han Shot First" T-shirt) standing on the mockup or sitting in the cockpit. According to a subsequent LJ entry he has found out who the owner is, and gotten a price from the owner (which he says is reasonable considering, but doesn't want to reveal for fear of some private collector snatching it up). But he's not sure where to go from there.

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  29. Re:Word of mouth is not viral marketing by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    personally, if the "marketing" is done correctly, the customer is actually interested in the product and is not annoyed at recieving notices. Viral or otherwise. But, if overdone, THEN it can get annoying. The web is good this way in that like-minded people can gather virtually and discuss like-minded concepts. Unlike say AM/FM radio where there's such a mixed audience that we are stuck listening to ads for whatever Clearchannel can get paid to put on the air.

    As far as the "viral" part goes, that will only work if, as you mentioned, "carefully chosen forums/blogs"( ie the products customer base ) are found. And IMO, that is not a bad thing. They won't get much "spread" or traction if they seed the Firefly info to...a genital herpes forum for instance. And it would be a waste of time to even think that those forum/blog members would be remotely interested.

    LoB

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  30. Re:Don't be a hater by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand GP. The level of hype surrounding Serenity is no where near the level of...well, anything mainstream hollywood.

    I think he hates it simply because people like it.

    Some people are like that, they define their tastes by rejecting what others like. "If they like it," they say, "I must NOT like it! That will set me appart!". It's... well it's pretty fucking stupid, if you ask me, but they tend to see this as some kind of unique and clever position, and not as the sad and all to common reactionary stance it is.

    Pounds to pennies he's never seen an episode.

    I'm pretty sure he never has.
    His sounds like a clear case of prejudice.

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  31. Re:What the fuck is serenity and firefly? by bradkittenbrink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I think it's unfair you were modded a troll just for expressing your opinion, I do disagree with you on just about every point.

    First of all, Firefly was originally produced by Fox, regardless of what the SciFi channel calls it now. <rant>Don't help them get away with this kind of bullshit. SG-1 was originally produced by Showtime, you can't call it a "SciFi original" regardless of who's producing it now.</rant>

    Secondly, I'll tell you exactly why people like Firefly: It's hilarious and the characters are awesome. And that's good enough for a lot of people (me included). No one's claiming the drama is Shakespeare or the acting is oscar-worthy, but I do think that the cast is well chosen for the quirks of their characters. I'm not going to try to convince you it's funny, or that you should like the characters, because you've obvoiusly seen it and disagree. Fine, I'm just pointing out that a lot of the things people see as Firefly's strengths are independant of the things you criticized.

    Thirdly, if you want to kick artificial gravity out of sci-fi, you pretty much have to kick faster-than-light travel out of it too. If our current understanding of General Relativity is accurate, any technology for one could almost certainly be adapted to apply to the other.