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Molecular Gastronomy, The Science of Cooking

Roland Piquepaille writes "The Art of Cooking is evolving fast in this 21st century. New food products are being designed with the help of molecular technology, genetic discoveries or space research before arriving in our kitchens. For example, here is a Pravda article which says that NASA is preparing sandwiches which will still be edible after seven years. Companies like Kraft are also using nanotechnology to create food products tailored to users' needs. This is a booming market and, according to Associated Press, dozens of universities in the U.S. are offering degrees in culinology, attracting creative students in their food and science programs."

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  1. loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by mfh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    New food products are being designed with the help of molecular technology, genetic discoveries or space research before arriving in our kitchens.

    This is good because eventually we will all want to have food that is chemically efficient for us to digest, without any of the wrong ingredients, but I question the health side of chemical/altered foods.

    I was talking to a chef about a month ago who was complaining about having to put loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo in foods to achieve the taste that the consumer wants, at the expense of their health. "We're paid to kill people," was his complaint, and sadly I think he's right. This same chef was saying how it would be nice if there were alternatives to bad food, that would not jeopardize someone's health. I think that new advancements in science would be the right approach to solving the obesity problem, as long as people are protected from any negative side effects. Natural replacements seem to top this chef's list. He said that the natural foods are the very best for you, so he had little faith in chemicals or engineered food as being healthy for us.

    I've stayed away from garbage food for only a short period and lost nearly 40 pounds of flubber! It's really simple, actually. Most people have a small breakfast, a bigger lunch and a huge dinner. I have a huge breakfast, a smaller lunch and a much smaller dinner (before 6pm usually). I eat from each of the four food groups every day.

    This one cool salad the chef told me about is:
    • Veggies (whatever you want)
    • Salt & Pepper (loads of it unless you have a heart condition)
    • Squeezed Lemon
    The salad tastes like fish & chips with vinegar and salt, so I'm kinda tricking my body into thinking it is getting a load of grease (which all of our bodies crave, because they are stupid bags of carbon and mostly water -- and we all know how well oil and water gets along, don't we?).

    I stay away from oils because they can ruin your whole system, and I think they reinforce our current fatty deposits, by feeding it somehow (it's not that much of a mystery). Once a week I have fat with meat, because the chef said that new fat kills old fat. New fat apparently replaces old fat, and then doesn't congreal as quickly if it's in turn replaced a week later. That doesn't mean overdo it... just a little will do. Apparently people who have been overweight for a long time have very dense fat that must be replaced in order for them to empty fatty deposits eventually.

    My portions are smaller, and I'm not always hungry. I drink as much water as I can every day too, and it helps. I drink tea & coffee, and smoke regularly. I might not be the picture of health, but I am trying. ;-)

    Now if we could only get some fat and tar eating nanoprobes... then we'd really be in business.
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    1. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      suggestion.

      talk to a Nutritionist and not some chef that has a wacked idea on how things work.

      Once a week I have fat with meat, because the chef said that new fat kills old fat.
        that alone is the most bizzare thing I have ever heard.

      guess what, you either need to reduce your caloric intake or do some of the extreme diets to lose weight.

      Atkins works as it thows your body into ketosis, vegan works as you have almost zero fat intake,
      simply being active, eating healthy and lowering your calorie intake works the best in the long run.

      no matter what a life style change is required. What you do to lose weight you have to live with forever and ever.

      a chef knows nothing compared to a dietician and nutritionist.

      Please get real advice from someone that can explain it in real terms instead of made up mumbo-jumbo like new fat destroys old fat.

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    2. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by John+Seminal · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I was talking to a chef about a month ago who was complaining about having to put loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo in foods to achieve the taste that the consumer wants, at the expense of their health. "We're paid to kill people," was his complaint, and sadly I think he's right.

      The French eat more oil and fat than Americans, but the French have less than half the heart disease. Why is that? Could it be the fat is not as bad as the stress Americans have? The French get two hours for lunch. Many stores close their doors during the lunch time so they can go to cafe's, sit down with friends, and enjoy life. They also get government to gaurentee 5 weeks of vacation a year no matter what the job. That means the janitor gets 5 paid weeks of vacation, just like his boss.

      And if you will eat fat, how about eating healthy fat? Eat butter instead of margirine. Eat natural olive oil instead of processed oils. The problem is not fat, the problem is companies like McDonalds, to save a few pennies, are using crappy oils that are manufactured and not natural. Plus, we only have 30 minutes to make it from the office, to the fast food joint, and back to the office again. Hope there is enough time to push the sandwich down the throat with one hand while honking the horn to get the asshole in front of us out of the way with the other hand.

      And then, just as lunch is over, I am back at my desk with my heart pumping and head dripping of sweat, just in time to make some sales calls. God, I hope I don't get any more bitch secretaries to screen calls for their bosses.

      What will kill people is all the new manufactured foods, that are filled with chemicals our bodies can't expell. They will fill cells with toxic substances that will cause cancer.

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    3. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by myth_of_sisyphus · · Score: 3, Funny
      I work at a large cooking school where there is some emphasis on nutrition but the curriculum teaches classic cooking--meaning French.

      Rich sauces and meats are essential to learning how to be a chef. In fact, the chef-instructors get pissed off when they get a student who's a vegetarian or health nut who refuses to try sauces and meat.

      I had one French chef come to me one day--he was furious because he had several vegetarians in his class and said "goddammit what the hell are zey doing at a cooking zchool and they don't eat ze fucking meat? How ze hell are zey going to be ze goddamn chef?"

    4. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had one French chef come to me one day--he was furious because he had several vegetarians in his class and said "goddammit what the hell are zey doing at a cooking zchool and they don't eat ze fucking meat? How ze hell are zey going to be ze goddamn chef?"

      Bah, your French chef friend just hates our freedoms. I salute these patriots and I have a feeling that their their democracy-loving Freedom Cuisine will be the newest rage.

    5. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by fossa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hm. The right approach to solving the obesity problem is: exercise. Ever been to Spain or France? I have not, but everyone I know who has notices the distinct lack of obese people, unlike the United States. Cities in Spain and France tend to be more walkable. It is common to walk everywhere, occasionally taking a train. Every place I have lived in the United States, it is common to drive everywhere.

      As for natural foods being superior to processed foods, that seems like a no brainer. Humans evolved to digest natural foods because processed foods weren't around. This doesn't necessarily mean better foods could not be engineered, but most processed foods seem to be engineered for shelf life and looks, not health.

      As for craving "bad" foods: Have you ever been in really good shape? I have a couple times (well, I guess that's subjective. I could run for about an hour every day, do a 12 miler at 7-7:30 min/mile pace, which is about the best shape I've ever been in). The funny thing about being in shape is that I actually crave "healthy" foods. Give me a salad loaded with a variety of veggies. Give me whole grains. I completely dropped soda, preferring water instead. The thought of McDonalds made me sick. Needless to say, I felt a whole lot better too. Again, humans evolved to be more active than a desk job allows. (I don't really get this feeling doing only the shorter less frequent workouts I squeeze into my day. It's quite frustrating; it takes a lot of dedication to get in shape and stay there.)

    6. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by badmammajamma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is true. The French not only have less heart disease they also have far less obesity.

      The reason for this has been explained in many ways including the use of oils not containing transfats, drinking wine, and more exercise. Personally, I think all of that has something to do with it. However, I think it's mostly that people in the US simply eat too damn much. We're fucking gluttons.

      I started watching what I eat from the perspective of quantity only. I made almost no changes as far as what kinds of foods I eat. Simply reducing my food intake to eating only when I'm hungry has resulted in a loss of 7 lbs. in two months. Now, you might say 7 lb.s in two months is weak but you have to remember that it took me a LONG time to put on weight. The nice thing about this is I don't feel like I'm sacrificing jack shit. I can still eat shit foods if I want, I just don't eat tons of food anymore.

      At the end of the day it's all about calories consumed vs. calories burned. If the consumed > burned, you get heavy. Either consume less or or burn more (or both) to correct the problem.

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    7. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Atkins works as it thows your body into ketosis, vegan works as you have almost zero fat intake, simply being active, eating healthy and lowering your calorie intake works the best in the long run.

      Atkins and vegan diets kill you for the very same reason that unhealty food does: it's unhealty!

      I had many many different diets, and i can tell you that the whole concept of a "diet" is a huge load of crap!

      Do you know what it takes to bekome healty and thin?

      1. Eat only when you're really hungry! not when you just want to eat now. (to force you to a normal eating behaviour. try taping a "H?" above your fridge to remember yourself.)
      2. Eat in smaller amounts and more often (to get your stomach to a normal size again and to not fall into a ravenous appetite).
      3. Move your ass and do some sport.
      4. And most important: never ever stop doing point 1-3 for the rest of your life!

      That's really all you have to do. Nothing more... But as with all addictions, it depents on your willpower to do it. (Tip: A psychologist can help you more than you may think with that problem.)

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    8. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Informative
      I stay away from oils because they can ruin your whole system...

      Such as acting as transport mechanism for Vitamins A, D and E, which are fat soluble. You have to have some fats and oils in your diet daily, unless you don't care about proper nutrition.

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    9. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by eaolson · · Score: 2, Informative
      Eat natural olive oil instead of processed oils.

      With the exception of hydrogenated fats which are dangerous because they are (a) trans and (b) saturated, all edible oils are natural. Canola, peanut, corn... yup, natural.

      Unless there's a big trend in the food industry that I'm not aware of to use mineral oil.

      What will kill people is all the new manufactured foods, that are filled with chemicals our bodies can't expell. They will fill cells with toxic substances that will cause cancer.

      This statement is completely, flat-out wrong. There aren't all that many chemicals that cause cancer. There are even less in food. Trans and saturated fats causing heart disease? Yeah, sure. Cancer? Not so much.

      And don't even get me started with using the word "chemicals" as a scary bugaboo word to mean "evil substance that doesn't have a natural origin and is therefore dangerous."

    10. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As someone who lives both in Germany and USA I notice the same things.

      Not just a lack of obese people but that the obese people there would merely be called chubby here.

      But it's not just the cities - but the rural areas where the driving everywhere problem is much worse - Germany has bike paths/sidewalks everywhere. And not bike paths/trails where you have to drive to likely to be right by your front door. And the bikepaths/sidewalks often follow the major roads out of town. A lot of the farmer's fields also let you drive through without problem which helps a lot.

      But the motivation of biking it is because you can get your shopping/errands done that way - stores tend to be close by and clumped together - you can get to the post office/groceries/etcetera w/o driving all over town.

      The cause of this is the zoning - Europe tends to let shopowners live above their shops on the second floor - while American townships tends to keep residential and commercial strictly seperate.

      This is may be the leading cause why America tends to have so many super-centers for everything and so few modest size supermarkets (think Aldi as the normal size of a supermarket in Europe.) Mom and Pop shopkeepers can't save the overhead of having just one place to do both business and living. Not to mention saving the bother to drive there.e

      Of course, Europe is adopting American style thing in many areas and so is getting American style problems (associated with super-centers and obesity).

    11. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by nido · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And if you will eat fat, how about eating healthy fat? Eat butter instead of margirine. Eat natural olive oil instead of processed oils. The problem is not fat, the problem is companies like McDonalds, to save a few pennies, are using crappy oils that are manufactured and not natural.

      Actually, the primary motivator in McDonald's & other manufactured food providers' switch to partially-hydrogenated polyunsaturated oils (from tallow/lard and coconut/palm oil)was a misguided Holy War by the vegetarian-run Center for Science in the Public Interest, starting in 1984.

      All based on fraud and lies. See the Mary Enig's The Tragic Legacy of CSPI:

      CSPI's well publicized campaign against "saturated" frying fats, especially those used by fast-food restaurants, was launched in 1984 and was continued in 1986 when CSPI added the "tropical oils" to their list of supposed villains in the American diet.

      The whitewash of trans fatty acids began in 1987 with an article by Elaine Blume, published in CSPI's Nutrition Action newsletter. Wrote Blume: "From margarine to Tater Tots, partially hydrogenated vegetable oils play a major role in our food supply. ... In fact, hydrogenated oils don't post a dire threat to health. ... Improving on Nature. ... Manufacturers hydrogenate... these vegetable oils so they won't become rancid while they sit on shelves, or during frying. ... it seems unlikely that hydrogenation contributes much to our burden of heart disease... The fact that hydrogenated oils appear to be relatively benign is cause for thanks, because these fats are everywhere."

      In 1988, CSPI published a booklet called Saturated Fat Attack, which defended trans fatty acids and partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and called for pejorative labeling of "saturated" fats. The booklet contained a section called "Biochemistry 101," which claimed that only tropical oils were dangerous when hydrogenated. "Hydrogenated (or partially hydrogenated) fats are widely used in foods and cause untold consternation among consumers... [they] start out as plain old liquid vegetable oils (usually soybean), which are then reacted with hydrogen... converting much of the polyunsaturated fatty acids to monounsaturated fatty acids... [with]... small amounts... converted to saturated fatty acids... [e.g.], stearic acid, which seems to have no effect on blood cholesterol levels.

      "Overall, hydrogenated fats don't pose a significant risk... exceptions are hydrogenated [tropical oils, which are made]... even worse after hydrogenation."

      Obviously, the individuals writing the booklet were completely ignorant (or pretended to be ignorant) of lipid science. Modern hydrogenation methods create trans fatty acids rather than monounsaturated fatty acids, and very few saturated fatty acids. By 1988, the adverse effects of trans fats were well known. The article points out that stearic acid has no effect on blood cholesterol levels, yet CSPI continued to accuse beef tallow, which is rich in stearic acid, of "raising cholesterol and increasing the risk of heart disease." As for the tropical oils, they do not need to be hydrogenated!

      Blume was at it again in March 1988 with another article, "The Truth About Trans ." "Hydrogenated oils aren't guilty as charged. ... All told, the charges against trans fat just don't stand up. And by extension, hydrogenated oils seem relatively innocent.. ... As for processed foods, you're better off choosing products made with hydrogenated soybean, corn, or cottonseed oil..." This article was widely disseminated; Michael Jacobson provided it as a handout to members of the Maryland Legislature during hearings when the University of Maryland group tried to introduce labeling of trans fatty acids in the State.

      But by 1990, CSPI could no longer defend the indefensible.

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    12. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by jskiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      guess what, you either need to reduce your caloric intake or do some of the extreme diets to lose weight.

      I've lost some weight recently, and while it won't sell any books, the solution is really simple:

      1) Eat less. Seriously. Lots of people are shocked when they realize just how much a "portion" of something is. For instance, that "small" 12 oz steak is actually 3 servings of meat.

      2) Eat healthier. Eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from processed or prepared foods, and get the vitamins and minerals your body needs.

      3) Get active. It doesn't have to be anything too stressful, just get out and go for a walk. Just about everyone can take a half hour out of their day (say at lunch) to go for a walk.

      That's it. The only tough part is sticking to it, but after you do it for a month or so, it all becomes a lot easier.

      Partial rant: the "lose weight fast and easy" plans always drive me nuts. Atkins, South Beach, etc. They may work for some people, but what they really do is make their inventors/publicists money. Like I said, eating healthier, eating less, and getting exercise won't sell any books, but it works!

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    13. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by shawb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A couple of things wrong with your point:

      Acrylamide is not PUT into French Fries. It is the result of heating up starches. So, french fries will have them, so will pasta and bread and cookies and pretzels and any starchy cooked food. French fries WILL have more of them, however, because of the higher temperature they are cooked at.

      Artificial sweeteners are indeed bad for you, but it's pretty much a wash between them and sugar laden soda, so yeah. I should reach for a glass of water, or at least unsweetened green tea.

      It has been shown that dietary aluminum does not cause alzheimers, but that alzheimers leads to a buildup of aluminum in the brain.

      And free radicals aren't really something that you ingest, it's something that comes about naturally from our metabolism. The problem with our current diet is that it lacks the antioxidants necessary to counteract them. Guar gum in sour cream: guar gum is not bad for you. It is a naturally occuring gum, originally derived from the bean of the guar tree. Gums are simply fiber. Much healthier way of thickening food than butter and flour, actually. Just difficult to use in a kitchen situation.

      Yes, foods that are overprocessed in the American fast food/snack style ARE bad for you. No doubt bleached white flour with all the nutrition taken out mixed with sugar and shortening is not good for you. We need more veggies in the diet (in fact the Atkin's diet which most people lambast as being just bacon and lard is higher in leafy, brightly colored veggies (bright ciolors meaning more vitamins and antioxidants) than the diets of anybody I personally know... even vegetarians. But it is low in some fruits)

      But your grandfather living to 104 is not proof that our diet is killing us. The average life expectancy is much lower for someone born in 1900 than someone being born in the 1950s or right now. It is also much rarer to see people starving on the street. In fact obesity is a much bigger problem than undernourishment (malnourishment is a different thing completely, and spicy hot cheetos and soda are definately not healthy.)

      But yeah, we do need more veggies in our life. But what we really need is more time to properly enjoy our food so we don't need the huge blast of sweet fatty flavor to think we are satisfied. Enough time to be able to cook a meal and sit down and enjoy it once in a while. Enough time to eat slowly so that our body can tell our brain it's full. Enough time to just be, so that we're not totally stressed out from work day in and day out.

      Hmm... odd thing about French people being healthier... one thing that they do which every American health institution says is unhealthy is smoke like chimneys (I don't have statistics, but at least that's the stereotype)

      I strongly feel that it is not so much what we are putting in our bodies that is bad for us, but what we are NOT putting in our bodies that might eventually bring our life expectancy down.

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    14. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by hoxford · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Have you ever heard of carcinogens? How about Acrylamide? What is Acrylamide? It is just a chemical that food manufacturors put in French Fries and Chips.

      *Put* in French Fries and Chips? Do you have the slightest clue about what you're speaking of? Acrylamide is a chemical contaminant in food caused by a chemical reaction that occurs when foods are fried, deep-fried or oven-baked.

      http://www.nal.usda.gov/fsrio/topics/tpacrylamide. htm

      It's due to the cooking process, not something that's added.

      Speaking of mental slowdowns, do you know where it comes from? Aluminum in the diet. Where does the Aluminum come from? From all the machines that process food.

      Cite, please? Show me an actual study where this correlation is indicated? Hell, show me a study where any significant aluminum is introduced into food through processing.

      Processed foods do cause cancer. Why is it that 30 years ago most Ice Creams were made from milk and sugar, and a flavoring like vanilla beans or chocolate, but today they are made with an ingredient list of 20 chemicals?

      Huh? So ice cream makers are part of a huge conspiracy with the health care/military industrial complex trying to spread cancer to everyone to generate huge profits?

      Why is it that 70 years ago airplanes were made with wood and fabric but today they're made with plastics and composites? Because materials science has advanced and it makes a stronger, longer lasting product.

      The sad part is that I mostly agree with what you're trying (badly) to say. Too many foods have all the nutrition processed out of them for purposes of extending shelflife and allowing the use of cheaper materials. But making crap up and spewing pseudo-science and voodoo doesn't help.

    15. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by mmontour · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is Acrylamide? It is just a chemical that food manufacturors put in French Fries and Chips.

      It's not something that anyone "puts in" fries. It's a substance that forms during the high-temperature cooking process. From your link:

        Acrylamide forms as a result of unknown chemical reactions during high-temperature baking or frying. Raw or even boiled potatoes test negative for the chemical.

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      Think about it, not just foods but all chemicals.[...]

      Here are some chemicals:
        - Adenosine triphosphate
        - Ammonium perfluorooctanoate
        - Cyanocobalamin
        - Oxalocacetic acid
        - Oxalic acid
        - Potassium sorbate
        - Pyruvic acid
        - Xanthophyll
        - Xylene

      Many of these are found in all-natural foods like fresh fruit and vegetables. Some of these chemicals are essential for life, while others are harmful. It is not useful to group them together under an "all chemicals" label and then conclude that they must therefore be bad for you.

    16. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by eaolson · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you ever heard of carcinogens?

      Of course I have, there's no need to be snippy.

      How about Acrylamide? What is Acrylamide? It is just a chemical that food manufacturors put in French Fries and Chips.

      Actually, that's incorrect. Acrylamide is not added to food by manufacturers. While the exact mechanism of its formation is not fully understood, it seems to form naturally when starchy foods are cooked at high temperatures. McDonald's does not have a 55-gallon drum of acrylamide that they add to the french fries.

      Furthermore, whether or not acrylamide is definetely a carcinogen has not been fully determined. It, however, has been massively over-hyped in the press. And more recent studies have suggested that a diet high in acrylamide-containing foods does not lead to cancer.

      Do you remember sacchrinne? It was used in diet soda, then they discovered it caused cancer.

      Actually, it looks like the studies done back in the 1970s which led to the scare about saccharin weren't well-done. They used ridiculously high doses of saccharin, and the high doses may have caused cancer rather than the substance itself. There has been no link between saccharin and caner in humans. Saccharin hasn't been required to be labeled in the US since 2000.

      There are thousands of more chemicals which will kill a person than a person can eat.

      Of course. There are probably hundreds of carcinogenic substances. There are thousands of toxic substances. But there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of chemicals. The number of toxins and carcinogens that exist has no relevance to the relative risk from them.

      And of course many of them will kill you if you eat them. They're not food! Salt will probably kill you if you eat an entire bucket of it. So will ethanol or aspirin. Toxins are not carcinogens.

      I don't want to trust a chemist to tell me eating something that he made in test tubes is good for me

      Believe it or not, there is no vast conspiracy of scientists to poision our food supply. We have been performing chemical modification of food since the discovery of fire and the beginning of cooking. The whole point of cooking food is to make the proteins and starches more digestible and so our bodies can absorb its nutrients better.

      I rather eat what my great grandfather ate, and he lived to be 104 and very sharp, no mental slowdown like people get today. Speaking of mental slowdowns, do you know where it comes from? Aluminum in the diet. Where does the Aluminum come from? From all the machines that process food.

      Again, this is not true. I'm not sure what you mean by "mental slowdown" but I'm not aware of any link suggested between aluminum and senile dementia. There was some worry early on about Alzheimer's and aluminum, but it did not hold up under further study.

      Sour Cream. Sour Cream used to be made with bacteria and acidophilus. This is very healthy for people. Do you know how Sour Cream is made today? They take guar gum or starch and thicken milk. It is not even Sour Cream, but they keep calling the thick product that name

      Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. One ingredient. Maybe you should switch brands? I don't know about it being healthy for you, it's rather high in saturated fat.

      Look up Free Radicals. Most foods are filled with them, and they cause people to age and get old and get sick and get cancer.

      Food is not "full" of free radicals. Radicals are so amazingly reactive they aren't stable enough to last very long in food. In fact, preservatives like BHT are added to packaged foods in order to prevent the formation of radicals, which cause the product to break down quickly and have a shorter shelf life.

    17. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the French also drink wine like we drink water, relax, fuck like rabbits and have more vacation time. puritan work ethic, sexual repression and making alchohol a "controlled substance" is killing us.

    18. Re:loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Wow, it must have sucked to be an Inuit before "civilization" came along."

      The traditional Inuit diet is nothing like the Atkins diet. They do not eat steak. They eat animals, and good deal more vegetation them most people realize.

      You should try living in a subsistance culture for at least a few months. It's quite the experience.

      . . .they never had obesity problems until the rest of the world came along and started feeding them purified concentrated carbohydrate.

      What this got to do with wild rice and greens?

      Has there been a single case of someone being hospitalized or killed by excessive ketones in the blood?

      Sure. The old time frontiersmen even had a term for it, "Rabbit Death," because you were most likely to die from it by trying to subsist on rabbit. It can also be a problem in animal husbandry.

      If we were all ice-dwelling Eskimos with nothing to eat but animal flesh. . .

      Are you? For that matter, neither are they.

      . . .lack of ketosis brought on by eating sugars. . .

      Ah yes, the fundamental slight of hand that the entire Atkins argument relies on.

      I don't ever recall anyone suggesting that sugar cubes were a healthy diet, do you?

      Carbohydrates don't mean "sugar cubes." Carbohydrates means "carrots" and "spinich."

      KFG

  2. Spice things up? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this mean we might actually get some good new spices, once they start playing around with modifying existing ones somewhat gastronomically scientifically?

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  3. 7 years? pfft.... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hah! I can make sandwiches that are edible RIGHT NOW!

    I better put that in my resume... brb.

  4. 7 Year Old Sandwich by bigtallmofo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Be careful eating old sandwiches. Homer tried that once and got so sick he couldn't go to Duff Gardens.

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    1. Re:7 Year Old Sandwich by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

      But Fry got parasites that made him a superman...

      Damn cartoon mixed-messages! Be consistent!

  5. Should read: NASA is preparing sandwiches... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    NASA is preparing sandwiches which will still be inedible after seven years. And they borrowed this technology from my local high school. They should coat the shuttle with these monstrosities.

  6. Good for seven years by javamann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good for seven years? Does that mean the developed a twinkie sandwich?

  7. Re:More solutions by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't "solve" the world's food problem. You give humanity more food, you get more humans. And these supplementary humans need more food.

  8. Obligatory Futurama quote by Pengunea · · Score: 2, Funny

    "What's that black cracker?"
    "A tomato." (crunch)

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    Starkle, starkle, little twink.
  9. 7 year old sandwiches... by cwest · · Score: 5, Funny

    this is obviously based on failed experiments by the airlines.

  10. Designing food is not cooking by MKalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously.

    I wouldn't call what Kraft & Co are spitting out 'cooking'.

    It is a designer meal replacement that resembles cooked food.

    Maybe I am old fashined, but anything that gets made in huge vats by machines and then packaged in plastic may be something that keeps me alive, but it DEFINETLY is not cooked.

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    1. Re:Designing food is not cooking by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just look at Velveeta, for example (a Kraft trademark).

      Velveeta was originally "invented" by a researcher at Rutgers College of Pharmacy. The research was attempting to find a good formula for a skin product that could be used for drug delivery.

      Turns out, what is good for drug delivery is also good for coloring and flavorant delivery. A couple phone calls by an astute professor with a cheese fetish, and Kraft gives us Velveeta.

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    2. Re:Designing food is not cooking by dbhankins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The grapes you eat are only sour because you bought ones that were picked before they were ripe. This is typical in chain supermarkets, where most of the fruit is picked before it's ripe. That way it can be shipped cross-country (or inter-country) without spoilage.

      I've had ripe grapes from a roadside stand, and I can tell you there's little that's sweeter - or more delicious.

      The same goes double for strawberries.

  11. The real money will be made here by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 3, Funny
    This won't take off until the following products are available:
    • "Viagra" steaks that enchance sexual response
    • "No pain" beer and pizza that lets you drink and eat all night at age 35 without waking up with a hangover and the runs
    • Caffinated bacon
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  12. Fry ate one of these sandwiches .. by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Futurama, Fry eats one of these sandwiches ..

    I suppose this is were the nanotechnology comes into play..

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  13. Science gone amuck again by John+Seminal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't want science genetically engineering my food, I don't want them making meals that can be served 7 years later. I don't want the cancer or other diseases that come with it.

    The world has done very well without scientists mucking up our food sources. How many thousands of years have people lived off what the earth grows?

    I now see in my grocery store "organic milk", it is priced twice as expensive as the gallon of regular milk. The same thing is in produce, they have organic vegitables. What is this? 20 years ago everything was organic, now only the rich can get normal food. The rest of us must eat crap that has been genetically modified.

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    1. Re:Science gone amuck again by technoextreme · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The world has done very well without scientists mucking up our food sources. How many thousands of years have people lived off what the earth grows?
      Errrr... Errr.... Err... Err... We have been mucking up our food sources for thousands of years. It's just been in differnt ways. We created all farm animals today.
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    2. Re:Science gone amuck again by JacobKreutzfeld · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gawd, more fake food. Don't we get that already from McDonalds, Kraft, Budweiser et al? This junk is not good for you and long-term health effects are only partially known.

      I strongly recommend the page-turner _Fast Food Nation_. If you're more hard core, read Marion Nestle's _Food Politics_. Also worthwhile (and sadly funny) is the movie _Super Size Me_.

      The opposite of this tech-no-food is the Slow Food movement; seek out the farmers, stores and restaurants that support there ideals.

      And fercrissakes, start cooking with real ingredients instead of buying processed transfat salt licks made by chemical plants in New Jersey.

    3. Re:Science gone amuck again by cortana · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > How many thousands of years have people lived off what the earth grows?

      We can not support 6.5 billion people using traditional faming methods. By 2020 we will have to support 8 billion...

    4. Re:Science gone amuck again by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Abandon the idea that baby food is somehow necessary for adult health (let alone the baby food of another species). That solves the price of milk problem.

      Start growing your own "Heritage" food. See the book "Sailing the Farm" for how this can be done on even a small sailboat, a living space far smaller and disadvantaged than even a metropolitan studio apartment. There are tons of newer books on container gardening.

      If you've got even as little as 16 square feet of dirt, see the book "Square Foot Gardening."

      You might well be surprised at how much you can produce from how little, all without using any of the modern industrial farming techniques.

      It's a matter of scale. The modern industrial approach to farming may be needed to generate the largest profit (not food, profit) from huuuuuuge. . .tracts of land, but have nothing to do with producing enough tomatoes for yourself, by yourself.

      KFG

    5. Re:Science gone amuck again by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't want science genetically engineering my food, I don't want them making meals that can be served 7 years later. I don't want the cancer or other diseases that come with it.

      you don't get cancer from genetically engineered food. to think so betrays a profound lack of education about the slightest bit of what you are talking about

      The world has done very well without scientists mucking up our food sources. How many thousands of years have people lived off what the earth grows?

      actually agriculture is nothing but selecting food crops based on various genetic qualities. we've been genetically engineering foods for tens of thousands of years. there is absolutely nothing natural about an ear of corn or a grain of rice or a shaft of wheat or a potato. they are freakishly huge by natural standards. were these plants released in the wild, they would quicky perish. your "organic" foodstuffs are wholly human creations, and are utterly, in every sense of the word, genetically modified freaks of nature.

      just like dogs. do you love your dog? you're dog is a genetically modified wolf, warped by mankind into something wholly unnatural.

      I now see in my grocery store "organic milk", it is priced twice as expensive as the gallon of regular milk. The same thing is in produce, they have organic vegitables. What is this? 20 years ago everything was organic, now only the rich can get normal food. The rest of us must eat crap that has been genetically modified.

      i assume you live in the west. you are already fabulously rich by world standards. and you are correct: genetically modified foods, that grow in the desert or have vitamin a genes inserted into them, can save thousands of poor people from blindness and starvation.

      but silly me, the hysterical worries of an uneduated propagandized western child is more important than any of that.

      people talk about frankenfoods all the time as a threat to us.

      and i think that is a fitting allegory.

      because if you recall from the story of frankenstein, the hysterical uneducated ignorant peasants were out to burn a creature that only wanted to help them.

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    6. Re:Science gone amuck again by Jtheletter · · Score: 2, Funny
      And fercrissakes, start cooking with real ingredients instead of buying processed transfat salt licks made by chemical plants in New Jersey.

      I believe you misspelled 'Whitecastle'. ;)

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    7. Re:Science gone amuck again by Incadenza · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Gawd, more fake food. Don't we get that already from McDonalds, Kraft, Budweiser et al? This junk is not good for you and long-term health effects are only partially known.

      What really makes me sad is that discussions like this always wave the health argument around, because health is not what this is about. This stuff is bad for you even if it is good: Slow Food is not about Health Food (be sure that Kraft has its departments to cover those consumer demands as well), it is about the culture of food. Apparently even McDonalds opponants cannot see anymore that there is a huge cultural sphere around the food we produce and eat. A cultural sphere that we will discard and that we will not be able to revive if we keep buying big products from big suppliers in big supermarkets, no matter how healthy that food may be.

      He, a lot of the food Slow Food promotes is even risky. Raw milk soft cheeses for instance can be infected with Listeria. But, as they said in France when I tried to buy a pasteurized cheese for my pregnant wife: "C'est n'est pas la même chose" - it is not the same thing. You can't eliminate the health risk without killing the product, so as long as the risk is minimal (which it really is), please do keep making and eating it.

      Slowfood mission statement

      Mission

      Through its understanding of gastronomy with relation to politics, agriculture and the environment Slow Food has become an active player in agriculture and ecology. Slow Food links pleasure and food with awareness and responsibility. The association's activities seek to defend biodiversity in our food supply, spread the education of taste, and link producers of excellent foods to consumers through events and initiatives.

      Defense of Biodiversity
      Slow Food believes the enjoyment of excellent foods and wines should be combined with efforts to save the countless traditional cheeses, grains, vegetables, fruits, and animal breeds that are disappearing due to the prevalence of convenience food and agribusiness. Through the Ark of Taste and Presidia projects (supported by the Slow Food Foundation for Biodiversity), the Slow Food Award for Biodiversity and Terra Madre, Slow Food seeks to protect our invaluable food heritage.

      Taste Education
      In a world where the pleasures of taste are not always learned through leisurely meals around a lively table, we must make a conscious effort to explore, question and experiment. This is the aim of Slow Food's taste education initiatives. Convivia activities introduce new foods to members while Taste Workshops offer guided tastings with food experts. Our youngest eaters benefit from Slow Food in Schools and true gastronomes are trained at the University of Gastronomic Sciences.

      Linking Producers and Consumers
      Slow Food organizes fairs, events and farmers' markets to showcase products of excellent gastronomic quality. The huge success of the international food festival Salone del Gusto, with its cornucopia of foods to be tasted and bought, supports producers while offering up a world of delights to the public. Other events include Urban Harvest, Cheese, Slow Fish, Deutscher Käsemarkt and Aux Origines du Goût.

  14. The science of cooking by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Roland Piquepaille with Herbed Tomato Sauce

    INGREDIENTS:

    250 pounds Roland Piquepaille
    1 cup article excerpts
    1/8 teaspoon finely chopped original contributions.
    1 primidi.com blog
    1 popular techie website

    PREPARATION:

    Wash Roland Piquepaille; pat dry. Season with 1 cup copy pasted excerpts from article. Mix in 1/8th teaspoon finely chopped original comments. Heat 3 tablespoons oil in a large skillet or Dutch oven and cook until evenly brown. Link to blog and submit to popular techie website.

    Best served hot. Serves ~90,000.

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  15. 7 year old sandwiches are for wimps... by tuxette · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try thousand year old eggs. Those will put feathers on your chest ;-)

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    People say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes...
  16. Seven years isn't all that new by danamania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, here is a Pravda article which says that NASA is preparing sandwiches which will still be edible after seven years.

    In around mid 1998, I cleaned my car out and found, among the other rubbish in the back seat, an obviously forgotten McDonalds paper bag, one either me or one of my passengers had bought & forgotten about. It contained a Quarter Pounder and Fries that had been sitting there, dried out for who knows how long. I honestly couldn't remember the last time I'd been to McDonalds when i was doing the cleaning, so I'm guessing it had been there at least six months to a year.

    The fries looked OK. they'd been kept inside the bag & never exposed to the air so no bugs had managed to crawl in. The real surprise was the quarter pounder - I unwrapped it and found a perfectly preserved edible looking and smelling burger. To look at and sniff, it was no different to a brand new fresh one, it was just rock hard and dried out.

    I gave it to my niece who kicked it around for a couple of days in the back yard - it didn't look much worse for wear after that either.

    Judging by the condition of that quarter pounder, I wouldn't be surprised if it would have lasted through to today if I'd kept it in the bag.

  17. Absurd by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was talking to a chef about a month ago who was complaining about having to put loads of oils, creams, butter and mayo in foods to achieve the taste that the consumer wants, at the expense of their health. "We're paid to kill people," was his complaint, and sadly I think he's right.

    What a rediculous statement. It's fine to eat something unhealthy every once in awhile as long as you don't make a habit of it. Eating well 28 days a month will render whatever you do the remaining 2 or 3 days pretty much irrelevant. Avoiding being stabbed 28 days won't help you to much if you are getting stabbed 2 or 3 days a month.

    If your buddy really felt that he was getting paid to kill people, he would quit so obviously he himself realizes his statement is rediculous.

    This same chef was saying how it would be nice if there were alternatives to bad food, that would not jeopardize someone's health.

    There are. They are called vegetables. Again, you eat plenty of vegies and you can get away with eating all sorts of nasty stuff occasionally.

    Your theories on fat murdering other fat are interesting to say the least. You might want to pick up a copy of Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill by Udo Erasmus for a slightly more scientific explanation of how fats operate inside your body.

    When I go out to eat, I don't worry about how healthy the food is and my cholesterol numbers kick holy ass. How do I do it? Because I don't go out to eat very much and when I eat at home I'm very, very healthy. There's no need for genetically engineered superfoods. Just eat right 95% of the time and live a little the reminaing 5%.

    GMD

  18. Coïncidental (anti-Kraft Flash) by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Funny
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  19. March of the Machines. by torpor · · Score: 2, Interesting


    i had an egg mcmuffin today which, i noted, was pulled out of a blister pack before being stuffed into a machine. it was a singularly borg-like experience .. i don't think i'll have another one, ever.

    the best food is home-grown. after that, it is all down-hill. i hope we build better machines that make it possible for humans to grow their own food.

    in fact, i'd be just as happy if we stopped making multi-millionaire momsanto executives, and threw all that money at proper programs to manage growth and water-tables in lands that really need it .. and turned the industry-greed off for a while, until things were under control.

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  20. *sigh* This "news" from Roland is nothing new. by CapsaicinBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    This so-called news from Rolland is nothing new.

    In fact, I have a BS and MS in Food Science from Cornell.

    http://www.foodsci.cornell.edu/

    Nor am I the only one. There are over 40 Food Science programs in the US. This is a non-story.

    http://www.ift.org/cms/?pid=1000624

  21. The Fat Duck by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 3, Informative

    The head chef of the Fat Duck (a British restaurant voted the best in the world this year - jokes about British cuisine now null and void), Heston Blumenthal, is what you might call a 'molecular gastronomist'. By breaking cooking down to the basical levels and using the principles of chemistry to determine good combinations of food one can offer up delights such as bacon 'n' egg ice cream and snail porridge; two of the most famous dishes served at the Fat Duck.

    I read a fascinating article on Blumenthal in The Sunday Times a good few months ago, and also learned of another restaurant (the name and location of which escapes me, although I think it was in Spain) which offered up similar food. The menu for this particular restaurant was something like 17 courses and several hundred euros a head. The writer for the ST (who was lucky to beat a three-odd year waiting list) was amazed at the combinations of ingredients and even the consistencies of the dishes that were comepletely unexpected. One particular serving that stuck in my mind was a kind of 'orange froth' that practically disappeared immediately in your mouth but was full of flavour. The journalist detailed how strange it felt eating froth for dinner. The cover of the supplement I was reading featured pictures from a handful of the courses and the presentation was astonishing. There was a square chocolate lollipop (I forget what wacky ingredient was coupled with it) which was so thin in the middle it was all wispy and translucent and webbed. Delicious.

    Anyone for baconated grapefruit?

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    1. Re:The Fat Duck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "also learned of another restaurant (the name and location of which escapes me, although I think it was in Spain)"

      The restaurant I believe you're referring to is "El Bulli" which is run by Ferran Adriá. It's located about 2 hours north of Barcelona, only open for 6 months of the year. The other 6 months he's in his "taller" (usually translated as "laboratory" but actually more like "workshop") in the city preparing next season's menu. If you are lucky enough to get a table, it is a dining experience like none other.

      http://www.elbulli.com/

  22. On Food and Cooking by espressojim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, someone's finally gotten around to reading all of Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking the science and lore of the kitchen".

    This is a book about food stuffs through history, and their chemical and physical reactions to different processes used in cooking. The book has ~70 pages on milk, about about ~60-70 pages on eggs alone.

    You get a chance to understand how your food works, at the molecular level. You can read about what protiens are in eggs, and how they change due to heat, acidity, etc. How whipped cream supports air, and how the fat molecules wrap around air (including pictures with a scanning electron microscope!)

    Good stuff for cooks, and very much the science of cooking.

    However, this book was originally written 20 years ago, so this isn't as new as it's played out to be...Now Pravda is just supplementing the story with a bit of 'wouldn't it be cool if we used technology to make things better?'

  23. *don't* kick it up a notch! by beacher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    disclaimer- My wife's a chef at a 5-diamond restaurent and she spices her food appropriately and everything rocks. I think that us americans over spice and generally go crazy with trying to add too much flavor. Lighten up a bit on the spice ( here comes the "lips acquire stains" jokes) and try detecting subtle flavors or better combinations.
    I don't know why people insist on nuking foods with cayenne or pouring texas pete on everything.
    -B

    1. Re:*don't* kick it up a notch! by espressojim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting. I've seen many chefs say that americans are too tentitive with their spicing, and seem to *under* spice much of their food.

      Of course, 'texas pete' is not a spice or herb. It's some crappy added on hot sauce, that you use to obliterate the taste of bland food.

      Try indian, or thai, or chinese, or japanese, or korean (etc, etc,etc) and you can have plenty of spice, and it taste great.

      I may not be a chef, but my friends prefer my home cooked meals to resteraunts in town (and I live in Boston - we're no slouch when it comes to resturaunts.) So, I have at least a little clue what I'm talking about. (On the other hand, I'd love to have access to a professional chef to talk to about technique occasionally...)

  24. Re:cuisine before culinology? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nice troll. America is home to some of the best restaurants in the world. Sure, most of the culinary styles here are not unique -- but then again, most of our population is not indigenous.

    I'll agree that a subset of the population doesn't have "developed" culinary tastes. The same is true for France, for Italy, for anywhere. Just because YOUR experience of American cuisine doesn't meet your standards, doesn't mean that others' experiences are not different.

    I, for one, have a plethora of cuisines to choose from within walking distance of both my office and my house. From Azerbijani to Thai, from crappy to great, it's available -- and I take advantage of it often.

    --
    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  25. You ever *see* a 7-year-old twinkee? by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I worked at a convenience store when I was younger - on one of the shelves we discovered a twinkee that was 6 years old. Still wrapped in plastic, the thing was as hard as a rock (literally.)

    We threw it as hard as we could at the arborite countertop. The arborite chipped, but the twinkee was unscathed.

    We hit it with a hammer. Repeatedly. It wouldn't break.

    We debated selling them to the military as a new armor-piercing shell.

  26. Udo's book, self-control by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thank you for that site -- I will check it out.

    There's some interesting info on his site but his book is widely considered to be an authoritative tome on fats so it's worth picking up. He does delve a little into conspiracy-theory land at times but overall it's quite informative. Anyone interested in health ought to have this book on their shelf.

    I think the chef was mostly kidding but somewhat serious about how he feels about having to load nasty ingredients into recipes that call for them. How he's fighting it is by working towards better recipes that taste good, but won't hurt your body. But then again, he has to make the rich food now and then. His problem is that people will eat the rich stuff every day, not like once a week or once every two weeks.

    Okay, I didn't catch the joke. It sounded to me like he was one of these people who thinks people have no responsibility for their actions and that the poor health of his patrons was entirely his fault. You were there and I wasn't so I'll trust your read on his statement.

    I suppose there are some people who have to travel a lot for work and have little choice but to eat out more than they should. I'm not going to discourage chefs from trying to make foods that are healthy and delicious. I think your salad is a good example of how easy it can be. On the other hand, as someone who does eat healthy a lot, I want to have the option to eat unhealthy once in awhile. I'd be disappointed in a future in which all yummy but unhealthy foods have been eliminated and replaced with moderately-tasty but much healthier fare. If I want to splurge and pig out on something naughty, that ought to be my choice. I don't go for all these people who are trying to save us from ourselves. I'm an adult and can make my own decisions. I have enough willpower to make a guilty pleasure a rare thing. I understand there are many people who cannot, but I'd be pissed off if I had to suffer because someone else can't control themselves.

    Thanks for the clarification of your post mfh.

    GMD

  27. Food forever versus food in the first place by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Informative

    > You give humanity more food, you get more humans.

    You didn't pay very close attention in sex ed class, did you?

    But seriously, you are wrong anyhow. It's easily observed and well-established that well-fed people have fewer offspring than hungry ones.


    Dude, Firegal does the BioNet website, I think she knows about that.

    And what you're claiming to be well-fed people versus hungry ones is an observation that is impacted by:

    1. education of women/girls in well-fed families is higher than in hungry families - the highest statistical correlation between family size is education of girls/women - more education leads to smaller family size - due to many factors;

    2. well-fed people have extra resources for proper sanitation (less disease), proper medical care (less disease), and other resources - whereas hungry people not only don't, they also are at increased risk (if children) from catching communicable/infectious disesases and dying off at a higher rate. So the social structure/family adapts by having more kids, since fewer will tend to survive. Part of why recent immigrant families tend to have larger family sizes - it was a survival characteristic.

    3. oh, forget it, that's enough for now.

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  28. Re:Have we not learned the lesson of margarine yet by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, buy non-hydrogenated margarine. They are usually made from plant oils without the hydrogenation and so result in a softer consistency, and is healthier than hydrogenated margarine or butter.

  29. Re:More solutions by Chirs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may eventually get fewer humans, but I doubt it'll be in a few decades.

    I lived in Congo for a while. There is peer pressure to have as many children as possible. Traditionally this has been due to two factors: 1) high infant mortality, and 2) no social security, ie. the kids take care of the parents when the parents get old.

    These factors are starting to become less important now that the standard of living is increasing, but most people are still having as many children as they can.

    I think it will take more than a few generations for the cultural norms to shift to smaller families.

  30. Re:cuisine before culinology? by jskiff · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry to say this, but for world leaders, Americans might just have the poorest gastonimical sense on this planet...

    I can tell you've never visited England...

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    It's "no one," not "noone." Who the hell is noone anyway?
  31. You reference Pravda? Bwahahahahaha!!! by FredThompson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where did you find this article? Was it between the monkey boy bites man and pyramid power articles or the ones which describe perpetual motion machines from space aliens?

    Really, quoting Pravda is worse than treating the National Enquirer as a legitmate news source.

    The current headlines at http://english.pravda.ru/ includes this:

    Brazil, Russia, India and China to outdo Europe and the US - 08/29/2005 13:29

    The main economic analysts of today share their thoughts of tomorrow
    The world is changing so quickly that the human mind is unable to keep up. Experts from Deutsche Bank and other analysts decided to take a look at the future. The role of the EU becomes less and less important while developing countries boost their economic growth. Experts do not consider the USA a motive power in the economic progress. China and other rapidly developing countries are more important in the accelerating of world economy.

    Uh..ok, the situation is changing so fast that the human mind can't comprehend but Deutsche Bank "experts" can predict the future. Uh...right. No contradiciton here, just accept what Pravda says.

    Never mind that they are raising funds by selling Pravda-branded merchandise through Cafe Express...an American commercial site.

    Click on the "Science and Health" sub-category and you will see 3 main areas: Discoveries (which includes a story titled, "Ageing and dying is just a freak" about nanotech to let people live forever because science fiction authors think about it, UFOs, and Technologies. That 3rd category includes articles about how every living creature on earth will be given a unique barcode, indispensable Russian Navy submersibles (if only they would learn the difference between nets and hammocks) and the story about food which will last forever.

    Yeah, Pravda, the science reference for those without grounding in reality.

  32. Re:Ferran Adria by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One has to watch this documentary about Ferran Adria to understand why the world beats a path to his door.

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  33. Prior art: Twinkies by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    "For example, here is a Pravda article which says that NASA is preparing sandwiches which will still be edible after seven years."

    They just need to make the sandwich out of Twinkie-matter and it'll last indefinitely.

  34. You are funny! by elucido · · Score: 2, Funny



    It has been shown that dietary aluminum does not cause alzheimers, but that alzheimers leads to a buildup of aluminum in the brain.


    This is like saying obesity causes diabetes instead of saying high blood sugar causes obesity AND diabetes.

    This is like saying that tabacco products don't cause cancer, your genes do. This is like saying all heart attacks are genetic. You simply pass responsibility to the victim, its the victims fault for having bad genes. It's the victims fault for getting cancer. I bet if you were the lawyer fighting for Vioxx you'd blame the victims for taking the pill their doctors told them to take.

    Corporations know their food causes cancer, they arent innocent. Corporations like Kraft LIKE killing people, its their job. They have been killing people efficiently for years, and its legal because you defend them by making it seem like its some accident that the french fries cause cancer due to how its heated. Well duh, learn a new way to make french fries. This is as silly as saying "Well if you smoke you deserve cancer!"

    No one deserves cancer. Tabacco companies should be REQUIRED to release healthy products. If anyone can legally kill people by releasing poison food, well the nano technology is going to kill billions of people.

    I know I won't be touching any of this nano food, I've learned not to touch ANYTHING processed and unless I can see its an apple and know what farm it came from I'm not eating it. The equation is simple.

    Eat natural organic food and live, or eat processed food and die.

    Consume organic products and live, or consume artificial products and die.

    These are the options, live healthy or die young. So now we have to teach children to be paranoid about food. Kids growing up today wont even be able to try junkfood mainly because the junkfood only gets more toxic. Kraft will make foods so toxic that eating it once a year will give you cancer, and when this happens millions of loyal Kraft fans will die of cancer and society will connect the dots.

    You buy from Phillip Morris and you die from Phillip Morris. You buy from Kraft and you die from Kraft. You buy the wrong goods from the wrong people and your health is sabatoged.