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The Evolution of MMOGs - Eve Online
Gamasutra is running an article about the Massively Multiplayer Game Eve Online. Information from senior producer Nathan Richardsson gives a look into the development of the largest concurrent MMO on the market. From the article: "Power to the players. Nothing compares to a player that is enabled to affect the universe. We create tools for players to create content. For example, a massive alliance of corporations - our versions of guilds - with real, legendary players, leading them, controlling large areas of space and building up infrastructure is truly awesome content. We can never create that, but we can create the environment and tools enabling to happen. We're also very iterative in our work and keep continuous feedback cycles on the features we do, then regularly improve them based on that feedback. The community is an incredible source for how to improve the game and what they do within the game gives us constant inspiration for what we should implement next. Being so open-ended means the players do what they want and we try to keep up and add support and tools to take emerging behavior further. Embrace and evolve are the keywords here."
I have been playing EVE Online for 6 months and it's not all it's cracked up to be. There are some players that absolutely love it. However, the ability to create content and the great graphics in the game does not make up for some fundamental flaws in game play. The problem is that the game boils down to spending hours just traveling or just mining, both tedious activities in the game. Combat can also be tedious in most cases, since it usually becomes showing up at some location and slugging it out. I could deal with those aspects if your skill was in some way tied to your activities, but they are not. Skills are trained simply by turning the training on. Even the skill training system is flawed. There are approximately 200 or so different skills. To be come an expert in combat related skills, for example, it takes about 100 separate skills, training one at a time. I calculated how long it would take me to be fully trained on captaining a battleship, with all the necessary skills for both weapons use, piloting, and maneuvering. With the current system, it would take more than 3 years in real time to finish the training. I'll be surprised if the game lasts another three years. Experienced players (i.e. players who have been playing EVE for a long while) basically can attack inexperienced players with impunity. I have been killed four times so far just for the fun of it by an experienced player in what is supposed to be safe space. Yes, the experienced player is immediately killed by the NPC cops but that's the only penalty. They can make up the loss in an hour, it takes me a week to regain the equipment I lose. Sad to say, I am disappointed in EVE enough to stop playing. I hope some EVE admins read Slashdot, because the way the game works, I would bet you are losing more new players than you would imagine.
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Isn't the old Microsoft rule for killing things they don't want "Embrace, evolve, extinguish?" Or was it "Embrace, EXTEND, extinguish?" Meh. Doesn't matter. Just saying.
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If you're a fan of Trade Wars style games or Elite style games, or if you miss the days of old Ultima Online where you could PvP to your hearts content without being screamed at by the playerbase, this is the game you have been waiting for.
That said, it's not for everyone, and it has a steep learning curve. However, that hasn't detered away their playerbase, and while it doesn't grow at exponential rates, it's stable and growning enough for them to afford the resouces to provide a new free expansion every six months. EVE is CCP's only game. They have no other priorities than EVE, and it's their job to make sure it's a great game...not necissarily one that appeals to the masses, but a great game nontheless.
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The level of developers not caring and GM corruption in this game is unbelievable.
EVE suffers from the *wrong* kind of expansion: It expands at the bleeding edge, at the point where its most experienced players will benefit from the expansions. But the problem is that EVE is in desperate need of expansion at its earliest levels.
... as in weeks... on something).
Simply put: EVE is boring. Its a slog. It requires an enormous amount of time to mine resources and travel between points. There is nothing approaching the immediacy of an instanced dungeon. (Yes, they try. No, it doesn't work.)
Some of the problems are fundamental. Like: "Space is boring". Ultimately space is just a big vacuum. To the developer's credit, they've made it look stunningly beautiful, but after drooling on your keyboard for the first couple hours you'll realize you're in a matter-poor environment. There aren't trees or rocks to hide behind, mountains to get a better view from, stairs to escape up, etc. The occasional floating asteroid doesn't offer much respite from the monotony of, well... nothingness.
EVE's other problems are more game oriented: The game is mind-numbingly impersonal at first. Despite a few training missions, which teach the player about the interface more than the gameplay there is little in the way of indoctrinating new players into the EVE universe. You feel like a punk. You are a punk. Don't like it? Play for another year. Don't know what to do? Consult another player. (They'll tell you to spend more time
The game cries out for a starter-universe. But more than that, the game cries out for more interaction. In a nutshell, "telling" your ship to dock, is not nearly as much fun as "docking" manually. "Telling" your ship to fire on another ship, isn't nearly as much fun as "Trying to hit" another ship. Granted, the game is not a videogame requiring hand-eye coordination. But in the absence of physical matter and with only scant human beings sighted here and there, an element of competitive gameplay or two might be nice for early players.
EVE has focused far too much on player retention and not enough on player acquisition.
If anything, EVE has paved the way for someone to write the next great space-based MMORPG. Its what Everquest or Dark Age of Camelot are to World of Warcraft: the predecessor that vividly paints examples of "what not to do".
And primarily "what not to do" is annoy early players.
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I see the game as having so much potential, but it just falls short. Repeative missions, a system that cripples newbies into gankfood, repeative actions, flying through a star is NOT GOOD (and I dont care if you're in some version of warp space - gravity wells are bad, mmmkay), repeative space flight, and the list goes on.
... and repeative.
There are some seriously cool things about the game, the depth of the story is very impressive, and as an old PnPer (pen and paper role player), I loved soaking it all in.
But, it's slow and tedius. I literally was at a LAN party when I first played this, and there were parts of the game where I just told the ship to do what to do, and I went around for 10 minutes making sure everyone was happy. Returned, and it was still going.
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It was also repeative.
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90% of the time it seems like Zonk could be replaced by a Slashbox.
Eve isn't going to be for everyone, but I like it well enough that after less than a week I signed up for a year.
I have thought for some time that a game with the mechanics of Frontier Elite II or Privateer and the graphics of Freelancer would be the one thing that would get me into MMO gaming, and Eve pretty much fits the bill.
Levelling is indeed quite slow, though there are things you can do up front to accelerate it - the learning skills speed up the acquisition of other skills. Implants can help too, but the better ones are rare and very expensive.
Travel times are long. This is mostly the result of the game bringing you out of warp (intrasystem FTL jumps) 15km from an intersystem jumpgate, space station or asteroid field, with your max velocity being under 400m/sec (my current ship is 245). Some people have developed a system of bookmarking points in empty space - called instas - in order to bring you out or warp right on top of your destination, but these only work for routes you've already travelled (and therefore will be using frequently). Transit times in my current ship on autopilot average about 30-40 intersystem jumps per hour.
There are some things I would like to see tweaked in the game - for instance using a skill should speed learning its next level, and warp could bring you out 5km from your target instead of 15km, but I'm having fun now, and I'm *not* mining.
I've been in almost two weeks. I started by doing a little trading, then I got my first new ship a week ago, and now I spend all my time going on NPC pirate hunting missions in high-security space. Some risk but not too terrible, some fun battles, and I'm insured and cloned so if I get pod-killed by an experienced player pirate the worst that'll happen is I'll lose some ISK.
I don't expect to be in a capital ship for quite a while, but unlike players used to the quick newbie levelling of games like Everquest, I'm not in a hurry.
Eve is not a pve game and there are no training wheels. Please don't complain about how there aren't any massive dungeons etc. because that's not the focus of the it. If you want to do massive raids go play WoW or EQ(2).
First of all eve does not require massive time investment to become competitive. You don't need 20+million skill points to have a chance only 2million. Player skill is much more important than character skill. Furthermore 2 1million characters > 1 20 million if the 1mils know what they're doing.
If you want to be truly good at eve you have to think, you can't grind to "max level" and expect to pwn people because skill bonuses are relatively small (2-5% increase in dmg, speed etc. per level) and there's so many nasty things someone can trip you up with if you aren't expecting it or don't know what you're doing. It has a very flexible "class" system which encourages creativity. Because of this a you need to know what you're doing and the limitations of your "class" if you don't want to get rolled.
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There are a few things you are either forgetting, or, I will assume, simply not experienced enough to have considered in your post. First of all, you are assuming that in order to be competitive, you have to fly a battleship. To be honest, I've been far more successfull in smaller ships, and have little problem taking on battleships in a loaded up inty. BS's are nice, ya, but they require a tactical advantage to win due to their big size and, most notably, the new improvements to the missile system. You can load up a BS with cruise missiles and the best equiptment money can buy, and never land a shot on a smaller, faster ship. In EVE, as in real combat, you can't operate under the false assumption that bigger is better. In WW2, flying fortresses were at first considered indestructable. After a few missions of taking enormous losses to smaller, faster German fighters, however, the allies quickly realized this concept. From then on, they flew with fighter escorts, a tactical decision that enabled them to be much more effective.
Second, you are assuming that in order to be competitive, you have to have EVERY combat skill maxed out. This simply isn't true. For instance, I specialize in missiles. I was able to get my missile skills up to very competitive levels in only about a month, give or take a week or two. I didn't bother researching gunnery skills because I don't use guns, and honestly don't need em, although I have recently started learning them as I have the time to do so. Pick an area to specialize in, and specialize in it. It won't take you 3 years to do this.
Third, you probably haven't fully examined the skills available. EVE has a group of skills called learning skills. Getting all of your important learning skills (Int, Mem, Per and Will are probably the most important) to high levels does not take an extreme amount of time, maybe a month or so. After that, your other skills will be dramatically reduced in their learning times.
Finally, you haven't discussed the issue of corporations. Sick of being stuck with no money or good equiptment? Join a good corp! I joined a mining corp and was issued a free miner setup, and upgrades as I needed them: FOR FREE. Teamwork enables players to do those things that they could not do as easily on their own. Corporations also introduce a greater tactical element into the game. Sure, a 1 on 1 dogfight in the early stages of the game with inexperienced pilots is pretty much a slugfest, but a large corp battle is a ballet, and a fun one at that. One thing you will rarely see in a large corp battle is two groups composed entirely of BSs going at it. The reason is simple: by employing tactics, which include using smaller ships equiped with warp scramblers and the like you can be much more effective than just ramming juggernaut ships together.
While you say you played for 6 months, it doesn't appear as if you really got into it (to be honest, I doubt you played for 6 months after reading your post, 6 weeks seems like an overstatement), so I don't imaging you overlooked this on purpose. However, as in ALL mmo's, EVE takes a significant time investment to reap long-term rewards. PvP in WoW isn't fun at lvl 1, and neither is dogfighting in EVE a week after you start playing. Play a little longer (and I'll agree, EVE takes longer than some other games, but not as much time as some, and the benefits are that you don't actually have to be PLAYING to get better), and you will see that EVE has some very unique and awesome capabilities that can lead to a very enjoyable experience.
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Let players be able to put skills to train into a que so they don't have to log in exactly when the skill is done training to set the next one training.