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Eight Charged in Episode III Early Release

ewhac writes "Earlier this year, an advance copy of 'Star Wars: Episode III' was released to the Internet a day before the film's official worldwide opening. Yesterday, the US Attorney handed down charges to the eight people believed responsible. Using forensic markers embedded in the advance-release "screeners," law enforcement were able to track down the leaked copy and the people who came in contact with it. As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office."

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  1. Not exactly.... by Rolan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    More like: "As a result of Episode I and Episode II SUCKING, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office."

    Leave it to hollywood to blame everyone but themselves for a movie not doing as well as they wanted it to.

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    1. Re:Not exactly.... by thepotoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Hell, 380 million isn't exactly bad.

      IMHO, it's about 300m more than episode III deserved. If Serenity does half as well, we'll be vitually guarenteed of the two sequel movies being made, and of the show comming back.

      BUT, just to play devil advocate... So I was going to go see SW3 and shell out my hard earned cash to Lucas like everone else. But, I stumbled on a fast FTP with a high quality screener to downloaded. As a result, Lucas lost a couple bucks.

      Just goes to show, hollywood may have a point despite what us /.ers say.

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    2. Re:Not exactly.... by Radres · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it worth enforcing Draconian laws, eliminating the right to privacy of the common man, spending millions of taxpayer dollars, etc. in order to enforce an unpopular law so that film studios can make even more money on something so non-essential to life, all the while abusing their position of power to overcharge consumers?

      Why does it make sense that popular athletes, actors, and musicians make hundreds of millions of dollars while scientists researching diseases and solutions to the energy crisis make far less and risk having their research sent overseas to be done for even less money? We wouldn't be in this situation if people had an alternative to the **AA conglomerates. Is a movie or music CD that costs less than $2 to print really worth $30 or $15? Is it really worth $10 a ticket to go to a movie theater? Is it worth close to $100 to go to an NFL game? We pay way too much for entertainment and I feel that thanks to technology, we can finally drive a spear through the eye of the entertainment industry.

    3. Re:Not exactly.... by hvatum · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Prove it. Show some numbers that show what the amount of money would have been had nothing been released early. Oh... you can't. So we really don't know how much of a financial loss it really was.

      I think you missed the point (again). Star Wars Episode I was also released online before its release in theaters. One can therefore conclude that whatever financial damage the early release of Episode I inflicted would be equal to that inflicted upon Episode III. The problem here however is that the studios are blaming early release pirates for Episode III's poor showing in comparison to that of Episode I!

      There are obviously a few logical flaws here given that both releases indeed suffered from the same piracy issues. More likely the poor results of Episode III are due to the bad taste left on many a film-goers mouth after the first two movies. Of course that would involve admitting fault, and we all know Hollywood doesn't do that.

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    4. Re:Not exactly.... by skiflyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, but we live in a Capitalist system... so if this is what you want I think you know the answer...

      That's right, start up a company which prints CDs and DVDs for $2 and don't sell them for $30 or $15, open a movie theatre where tickets cost less than $10 and buy an NFL team, and charge less than $100 for admission.

      Or, boycott, and get enough people to boycott with you and see how the industry reacts, they can lower prices or go out of business depending. It's a pretty simple system, act within it, don't steal and say that you're boldy "driving a spear through the eye of the industry"

    5. Re:Not exactly.... by Radres · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't do any of those things because the barrier of entry is too high due to the practices of aforementioned conglomerates.

      Maybe people should stop stealing from them when they stop price fixing.

    6. Re:Not exactly.... by madprof · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, it doesn't. Their profit margin has no reflection upon whether copyright infringement is good or bad.
      If you want free music and film go grab Creative Commons licensed stuff.
      That's what it is there for.

    7. Re:Not exactly.... by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in many cases the amount the film takes at the box office means jackshit. your forgetting all the toys,dvds and other franshised material they sell, which in many cases outstrips the boxoffice takings. in fact these days many films sounds tracks make more money then the film does.

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    8. Re:Not exactly.... by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is a movie or music CD that costs less than $2 to print really worth $30 or $15? Is it really worth $10 a ticket to go to a movie theater? Is it worth close to $100 to go to an NFL game?

      According to millions of people, the answer to your questions is, "Yes." It may not be worth that much money to you - hey, don't buy 'em and save the cash. But for many, many other people, its worth all that and more. Otherwise they wouldn't keep buying those movie tickets, NFL season passes, et cetera. When they stop, the prices will come down or the services will change. Until that point, its not like only 50 people a week are paying to go to football games...

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    9. Re:Not exactly.... by skiflyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is there a barrier to entry on a boycott?

      Or is it that even at their fixed prices enough consumers are willing to pay the fees such that the different industries you mention that your boycott wouldn't have a chance in hell?

      I concur, the prices are obscene for the most part, I wish they'd go down, given current technology there's no reason they shouldn't go down... actually, given technology of the last 50 years they never should've gone up, the entertainment industry has been making people fabulously wealthy for a very long time... arguably rewarding people over and above their hard work. The advantage of filming once and distributing millions of time, or recording once... etc.

      But, the prices are only so obscene because the consumer is willing to pay. If we stop paying, they'll either fold up because they truly cannot operate on those margins (unlikely) or they'll lower prices... fact is, right now, enough people aren't there.

      I'm sure it's been said, or will be shortly, but there is no "right" that you have to the RIAA's brand of pop music and there is no right that you have which entitles you to see Star Wars Episode III for a price you see fit. It's a product, they've set a price, accept it or don't, vote with your money.

      With current technology do we all think we could come up with a better model that would distribute money more fairly, give more people a fair slice of the pie and cost consumers far less? Yes we do, and hopefully with enough time the startups who have done this will catch on and we'll all have new distribution methods, but the old one is still raking in enough cash that it's not going to get out of the way just yet.

    10. Re:Not exactly.... by Radres · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd like to add a corrollary that it's not just through theft that technology is cutting in on entertainment industry profits (and "stabbing them in the eye"), but it is also by lowering the barriers to entry. There is no need for an RIAA when all you have to do to make a record is get $5,000 for studio time, rip the songs to MP3, and set up a web site to distribute the music (or go through iTunes, Napster, or a similar channel). It will be a while still before the independent filmmaker can do the same, although we have seen some very successful independent films in recent years.

    11. Re:Not exactly.... by srw · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Or, boycott, and get enough people to boycott with you and see how the industry reacts,


      Some of us have been doing this for a few years already. How has the industry reacted? They interpret the lower sales (or lower than projected growth) as losses due to "piracy." I have never once heard the RIAA or MPAA suggest that their lower-than-expected growth was even partially to do with people boycotting them and spending their money on independant releases. All I hear from them is how much "piracy" is hurting them.

    12. Re:Not exactly.... by Goo.cc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is Slashdot, my friend. Copyright infringment is always acceptable, unless we are talking about GPLed software.

    13. Re:Not exactly.... by bezza · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Who the fuck are you to go judging what other people like? If people practiced a little bit of understanding for other peoples preferences this world would be a better place.

      This goes to all the people who say crap about the people who like Britney Spears. So what if they derive enjoyment from listening to her music? God forbid they don't like what YOU like.

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    14. Re:Not exactly.... by rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It has been my experience that some people are so wrapped up with fixing the problems of the world (whatever they define those problems to be), they forget that the goal of fixing those problems is so people can take joy in life, even in simple, stupid, or trivial things. They seem to have the attitude that until all problems are fixed, nobody anywhere is allowed to actually enjoy their lives.

  2. YRO? by miTcixelsyD · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Gee, someone broke the law, got caught and somehow it has something to do with "my rights online?"

    1. Re:YRO? by siliconjunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gee, someone broke the law, got caught and somehow it has something to do with "my rights online?"

      The 'YRO' (Your Rights Online) section of /. has always served as the place where issues involving the Internet and the law (and how these legal issues affect individuals who use the Internet) go. What is it that you do not understand?

  3. Oh, gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And I thought it was because the movie sucked?

  4. Who pays for this? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would like to know who pays for these investigations. There are all kinds of crimes that go uninvestigated but somehow they have time and resources to use James Bond tactics to track down someone that released a movie on the Internet.

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    1. Re:Who pays for this? by blugu64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ya know it's probably a civil lawsuit...meaning that it's quite probably that the police/law enforcement didn't investigate anything, instead the studio paid for the investigation...just a thought anyway

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    2. Re:Who pays for this? by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it's so much that there are other crimes that aren't investigated... after all, if they only went after the most serious crimes, burglary, arson, and assault would never be investigated because there will always be homicide cases that need more resources. It's even fine with me if the government invests its resources in going after people who infringe copyright. However, if they're going to be involved in this kind of thing, I should be able to expect that the local law enforcement and DA's office will be helping me investigate and charge the next person who infringes the copyright of one of my original songs I recorded in my home studio. It's an old problem: the rich get most things for free from the government (or for the cost of lobbying and campaign contributions), but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. The government shouldn't be able to cherry-pick the cases that they want based on how much money it gets them in campaign contributions or publicity - imagine if your house was broken into and a large amount of valuables stolen, but the police wouldn't come out to look at it because you didn't donate enough to the last election or you weren't in a high enough tax bracket.

  5. Um... It was still wrong by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    Nice editorializing there. Yeah, the movie made a boatload of money. That does not change the fact that the people who screened the movie violated the agreement under which they received the screener copies.

    Personally, I don't think that the US Attorney should be involved in what amounts to a contract violation. This should really be a civil matter, but it is still wrong.

  6. ONLY 380 millions? by despe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure I agree with the logic that the movie did bad at the box office because of an early release on Internet. Internet releases tend to be of lesser quality and people who really like Star Wars will have gone to the theatre anyways. I think Lucas only has himself to blame. With the crappy Episodes I and II, it's no wonder there was no rush to the theatres to see Episode III.

  7. They were right! by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    Only $380M?? The movie industry is doomed! To think, all along the MPAA was right.

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  8. Correct by Solr_Flare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very true. I think the little jab at the end about the early release was uncalled for(although not surprising) but the truth of the matter is these people violated the law.

    This was not a case of simple bootlegging either. For those who never saw a copy of this version, it was an extremely good rip. Once some aspect ratio issues were corrected you pretty much had a DVD quality copy with an exellent stereo sound track.

    I know in my area the bootleg was rather prevelant. Seemed like ever other person had a copy. People who weren't big Star Wars fans or hated the prequels got/bought copies to see it instead of going to the theater. And star wars fans got copies so they could watch it over again in their homes instead of seeing it again in the theaters. All of which I'm sure did in fact impact sales a decent bit.

    Still, this certainly isn't the sole cause of th emovie not meeting expectations, but other slashdotters have already covered that to death.

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  9. Also from the article... by Hrolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FTA:

    "In an unrelated case, Ronald Redding, 37, of Linthicum Heights, Md., was charged Tuesday with giving his copy of "Million Dollar Baby" to a friend. Redding faces a misdemeanor charge of willfully infringing a copyright by distributing the film."

    There's got to be a felony involved in there somewhere. Wanton distribution of Clint Eastwood? Willful spreading of mawkish sentimentality?

    Seriously, though, I like the way they imply that you can get arrested for giving away a copy of a DVD you finished watching. "Done with that copy of Harry Potter? Got a friend who hasn't seen it yet? Make them buy their own or go to jail!" I'm sure there's more information the journalist in question could have provided about why Redding wasn't allowed to give his copy away.

  10. Re:Doesn't seem right to me by ispepalocacoc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No, entrapment is quite different. This would be entrapment if they gave them the screeners and then instructions on how to rip it and provide the content online.

    Definition:
    • entrapment, in law, the instigation of a crime in the attempt to obtain cause for a criminal prosecution.
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  11. Re:What is it with US and the word "illegal" by Lenins_beard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's only "Legal Murder" and "Legal Robbery" if the state's doing it, but we use colorful euphemisms like "Capital Punishment" and "Eminent Domain"

  12. Re:What is it with US and the word "illegal" by lilmouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not exactly PR, but very close - and very good, too! Better to call it PP - public perceptions. The words you use can make a big impact. Get people to assosciate "file sharing" with "illegal" and half the battle's already won.

    Other examples of really good PP include the gambling giants getting it called "gaming" in the news - gaming has positive connotations; gambling is bad.

    Another interesting one was the battle over what to call the proposed Social Security funds a few months back. "Personal" retirement accounts sound good, so Bush&co were using that phrase extensively, even when news organizations were going with more neutral phrasing.

    Following mainstream US media news is generally not worth it. Much better to read the free newspapers going on about the evils of the Amerikkan Kon$umer Empire. At least there, there's no pretense of impartiality :-D

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  14. Re:Uploading VS Downloading by bloodmusic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are comparatively few uploaders, and hundreds, possibly thousands of downloaders, so it's easier. Plus, if they stop the uploaders, there will be nothing for the downloaders to download.

  15. Re:What is it with US and the word "illegal" by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Filesharing isn't necessarily illegal, for example you might actually have the consent of the copyright holder. A band might choose to distribute their music using a peer-to-peer technology.

    So prefacing labels of instances of illegal filesharing with the word "illegal" seems perfectly reasonable. Kind of like you would the word "took" if you were describing stealing, eg "He illegally took the money" as opposed to "He took the money".

    Now, piracy I can't explain. That one's by definition illegal (yes, "copyright infringement isn't piracy" people, LOOK IT UP, yes it is.) But as trading, filesharing, release, etc are by themselves neutral on the subject of something being illegal, it certainly ought to be mentioned, and would - in many ways - be wrong to omit it given the overuse of the words to describe illegal activity might give the impression they really are, by definition, illegal.

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  16. NO GODDAMNED EWOKS! by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Copyright infringement would be publicly acceptable if it had resulted in Episodes I, II & III never being made.

    Also Matrix Reloaded & Revolutions.

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  17. At the risk of getting my geek card burned... by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I say "Good!"

    It wasn't their property to broadcast onto the internet. Whether their actions cost the studio $10 million in lost ticket sales or increased the the movie's profits by $10 million is irrelevant.

    These bozos committed theft, pure and simple. Throw the book at 'em.

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    1. Re:At the risk of getting my geek card burned... by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *sarcasm*
      Yes! That's right! And lets just change the law so the penalty for jaywalking is a summary execution. So we should have a copy outside every school sniping kids who jaywalk. That way the only ones that survive will be the ones that obey the law without question
      */sarcasm*

      Man we are heading into a scary world that people think disproportionate punishment is acceptable.

      Also, copying something is not theft. Theft deprives the original owner of the property. If I steal your loaf of bread we don't both eat, you go hungry. If you can't make this distinction. Copying something makes it worth less if you try to sell it by increasnig supply. The difference is huge even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

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  18. Is this symbolic? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, Hollywood revenues are declining. They claim that it is due to movies being pirated. They say that the movies are as good as they ever were.

    We say that the movies just suck, straight up, and that piracy isn't having that big an impact.

    To this question, I submit the following:

    If all movies were being killed by piracy, all movies would have below average ticket sales. That is not the case. Crappy movies, like "The Island" or "Stealth" did bad, but good movies like "Batman" did pretty well. Ditto "Wedding Crashers". I mean, if piracy was the only problem, shouldn't all of the movies this summer have done poorly?

  19. Re:Doesn't seem right to me by Carewolf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Its still entrapment. They would approach the cops asking for a deal, if the cops hadn't suggested being capable of delivering the goods.

    They might not say "Do you want some drugs?", but they are pratically wearing signs saying it instead.

    So its entrapment, but its tolerated because the politicians want legal entrapment.

  20. Re:Unethical is not illegal. by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, it was wrong. The contract those people signed was violated on their part.

    But, I'm willing to read your logical reasoning as to why entering into a contract with the intention of violating it is not wrong.

  21. Re:Last Fucking Straw by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And now this ..... individual is going to sue people because the movie didn't make as much *money*?

    Wow, you're pretty worked up for someone that didn't even RTFA. Where did you get the idea that Lucas was suing over the money the film did or didn't make? From the slashdot summary? Sucker! You've fallen for the editorial spin, and then added your own.

    How about this as a reason to sue: when someone is making and marketing a large, expensive movie, he actually has some plans about how he wants that to hit the market. Part of that process is the very controlled, signed-for, private distribution of screeners for review by the press. He trusts people in that loop, and they agree that there are consequences for violating that trust (and the copyright).

    If an artist or a film company conveys private material under a non-disclosure agreement prior to public access to that content, and some ass breeches that agreement without any consequence... what's the result? More of the same. Lucas isn't in the mood for it, and neither should be any other author, filmaker, musician, game studio, etc. Get a grip.

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  22. Actually, it made $808,700,000.00 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Check out http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region= world-wide

    The whole idea of releasing a movie to the internet means that anyone in the world can grab a copy, not just people in the US, so global revenue is a more accurate figure to use.

    The internet does not end at US borders ya know ;)

    Regards,
    g@z.

  23. Only $380 Million by thesnarky1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We all should be so unlucky! Perhaps if 1 and 2 didn't suck so bad more people woulda seen 3? I didn't pay for it in the theater, steal it from the internet, or borrow it off a friend, and am blissfully 3-free to this day.

  24. fallacy! by FrankBlues · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a result of the early release, Episode III only managed to earn $380 million at the box office.

    It of course had nothing to do with the track record of the previous two films.

    It had nothing to do with the overpricing of the "theater experience."

    It had nothing to do with it being a poor film season in general.

    It had nothing to do with us having seen most of what we wanted to see of the movie in trailers.

    It had nothing to do with people wanting to wait to spend their hard earned cash on the DVD release.

    Lets blame all of hollywood's woes on the early release demon!