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Review: Ultimate Spider-Man

Spider-Man 2 was one of the best movie tie-ins to come along in quite some time when it was released in late Summer 2004. Free-swinging travel through the streets of New York and an entertaining retelling of the movie plot made for a fun, if mindless, title. On that framework Treyarch has spun another tale about the life of Peter Parker. Unlike Spider-Man 2, Ultimate Spider-Man comes directly from the pages of the Marvel comic of the same name, giving players the chance to control both your friendly neighborhood web-head and the fan favorite Venom. There's fun to be had here, and a high quality story to tell. Read on for my impression of Ultimate Spider-Man.
  • Title: Ultimate Spider-Man
  • Developer: Treyarch
  • Publisher: Activision
  • System: Xbox (PS2, GC)
  • Reviewer: Zonk
  • Score: 7/10
Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Doing whatever a spider can is a full-time job, and an interesting one at that. That's probably why there have been so many interpretations of the story of Peter Parker. The Amazing line is still the closest thing to canon, that plot line going back all the way to the first comic in Amazing Stories. The storyline for that series is currently under the wing of J. Michael Straczynski, whose name you may recognize from a little TV show about a space station. The problem, such as it is, with the Amazing line is that there are many years of backstory to read in order to be fully versed in the book as it exists today. The popular response to the Spider-Man movies prompted Marvel to set up a new storyline, retelling the tale from the beginning with a singularly modern flavour. In the Ultimate line, Spider-Man is a high school student dealing with the problems of a teenaged super-hero in the modern era. The protagonist's youth, the distinctive deformed art style, and the writing of Brian Michael Bendis all come together into a very unique interpretation of one of Marvel's most revered icons.

The translation of the comic to the game is extremely faithful. While it's not necessary, having read the comic will give the player a deeper understanding of the characters and their motivations. The developers received permission to effectively extend the canon of the Ultimate line, going further in exploring the repercussions of Peter Parker's encounter with Eddie Brock and the Venom suit. The majority of the story revolves around Brock and Parker, with both characters being the controlled protagonist at various points in the game. Besides Venom, fans of the comic will have the opportunity to interact with the likes of Green Goblin, R.H.I.N.O, Shocker, Silver Sable, Beetle, and Carnage. All this fan service comes courtesy of a Bendis-penned script. Despite some of the gameplay shortcomings the plot of the game is top-notch, and will be a treat to anyone who is a fan of the series.

If you've played Spider-Man 2, you will be intimately familiar with the control scheme for Ultimate Spider-Man. Most of the additions to the controls are subtle tweaks to the combat system. This Spider-Man is much more bouncy than the Spidey of the previous game, leaping off of walls to strike at opponents. Movement for Peter is the same as it ever was, and the web-swinging is easily one of the most entertaining travel modes in any video game I've played. Control over the thwipping has been simplified, with fewer options available but a more intuitive experience the result. Venom is a very different animal, much bulkier and far stronger. Instead of swinging, Venom makes tremendous leaps in a style similar to the Hulk in Ultimate Destruction. Venom's attacks are extremely powerful, tossing cars at opponents and lashing out with tentacles. He has some neat wrestling style moves, but mashing the tentacle attack button is usually the most effective way to finish an opponent. In an interesting nod to continuity, Venom slowly loses health as the suit consumes Brock's strength. To counteract this and to heal up damage from fights, Venom can consume bystanders by drawing them into his suit and draining them dry. In essentially all ways the man in black is more suited to combat that his red-suited counterpart. Parker is much more entertaining to control than Brock, though. The slim form of Spider-Man has a level of grace and finesse that shows how much care the development team put into crafting the experience. My only real complaint is the lack of a quick method of scaling a building. Having played Hulk, where the big green can surge up the side of the building in giant leaps, Spider-Man's slow crawl was somewhat frustrating. Speaking of the Hulk, Venom reminded me of Banner's alter-ego in less than pleasant way. Venom handles like a flying Buick. Leaping is a very inexact form of travel, and the combat system isn't tuned for his powerful attacks.

Movement and combat are tested often in the linear confines of the game's progress. Unlike the more GTA-like Spider-Man 2, Ultimate requires the player to progress in various city-wide activities in order to gain access to new story mode missions. The two most common requirements are race medals and completion of combat tours. Races are just what you've come to expect from a game like this, and are similar to races you'll find in other super-hero titles. Combat tours require you to follow waypoints around the city, defeating baddies at each location until you've whupped a goodly number of whatever gang you're concentrating on. A certain number of completed races and tours are required in order to reach the next story mission, along with found tokens (unlockables like comic covers or hidden coins) and spontaneous city events (wounded citizens needing a lift to the hospital, muggings, and carjackings). These activities are nothing more than time killers, spacing out the interesting and fanboi satisfying story missions. The story missions are all different, and many combine several activities into a comic-book's length action piece. In one, you pursue a retreating Rhino in a form of race. Along the way you rescue trapped and wounded citizens, delivering them to safety. Finally, you and Rhino have it out in grand melee. Each story mission is accompanied by beautiful comic-panel action and entertaining dialogue. The busy-work races and combat tours are very frustrating, though, and comparatively speaking there are just too few story missions compared to the amount of time you'll spend racing around the city.

One way in which Ultimate Spider-Man is clearly superior to Spider-Man 2 is in its graphical presentation. I really enjoyed the cell-shaded look, making the deformed art style come to life on the television screen. The game looks terrific, with every character a detailed, fleshed out, and articulated 3-D representation of the comic book images. Just as impressive as the animated look is the presentation style. Comic-inspired panels are used heavily during cut scenes, with the characters literally leaping off the page. The effect is quite striking, and makes for a game that flaunts its comic book roots in a very satisfying fashion. I wish I could say the same for the audio environment. Musically, the game is very frustrating. Pieces alternate between generic-sounding electronic music and quite annoying "action" selections that distracted from my enjoyment of the game. Sound effects are fairly standard, your thwaps and smacks and thwips getting across movement and action well enough. The voice acting is relatively well done, thankfully, with Parker and Co. straying to this side of the comic book corny line. Bendis does excellent dialogue, and the cast imparts his words with feeling and emphasis. While it only makes sense that the game's visuals were more the focus than the audio, it would have been nice to enjoy a more full sensory experience while playing the title.

Ultimate Spider-Man is lots of fun. Graphically it's an improvement over the previous incarnations, and the refined controls and combination gameplay switch up the established formula. Despite lackluster racing elements, the freewheeling movement and bouncy combat combined with the engaging story missions makes for a number of entertaining moments. The brevity of the overall story is probably the most frustrating aspect of the game, with the quality of the voice acting and writing leaving the player wanting more than the title can provide. The only real way to satisfy the itch this game will cause is to read the books, which is in many ways the highest compliment the game can receive. If you're a fan of Marvel's universe you'll have a hard time not enjoying the fun this game can offer. Ultimate Spider-Man is well worth a rental, with the only folks likely not to find something worthwhile in this title the ones who spent their time in forums referring to Wind Waker as "Cellda".

110 comments

  1. It's a game? by mark_wilkins · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Wouldn't hurt if the first paragraph mentioned that it's a game being reviewed.

    Sure, it was posted to the game section, but on the front page it's kind of confusing.

    1. Re:It's a game? by spyder913 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It did say 'control' which would imply it's some sort of interactive format. But if I didn't already know it was a video game it might not have been enough =)

    2. Re:It's a game? by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      That made it even more confusing for those of us that didn't know it was a video game :P

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    3. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      one should think that the joystick graphic to the right of the article preview should be an ample hint.

    4. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its always nice to meet a fellow blind man.

    5. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about "REVIEW" in the title....

    6. Re:It's a game? by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 1

      Yes, because Slashdot never has book reviews.

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    7. Re:It's a game? by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 0, Troll

      There's a secret mode. If you defeat Dr. Octopus and sacrifice him to the Sun god at a 45 NE degree position at the top of the Daily Bugle, Mary-Jane will appear nude in the cutscenes.

    8. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that. I was just about to post a comment to that effect myself when I saw that you beat me to it.

      Zonk, we've talked about this before. There's a huge difference between being a skilled writer and being a good writer.

    9. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I thought we were getting comic reviews for a moment... was just about to launch into "read something that isn't recycled Marvel superheroes" proselytising mode... ;-)

    10. Re:It's a game? by arock99 · · Score: 1

      It was pretty obvious to me when my mouse hovered over the link and I saw it linked to "games.sladot.org"...

    11. Re:It's a game? by vaseretic · · Score: 1

      If you find a joystick icon, or the phrase "movie tie-in" confusing, you can always edit your home page settings so you see "None" of the "Games" content on your slashdot.

    12. Re:It's a game? by porksoda · · Score: 1

      Book reviews go here.
      Game-related things go here.

      Not complicated.

    13. Re:It's a game? by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      So do you troll the legal articles complaining that Linux isn't explicitly described as a GPL'd OS? Sometimes the subjects of /. articles are not self descriptive...that is how it has always been.

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    14. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are you a victim of phishing?

    15. Re:It's a game? by Dysproxia · · Score: 1

      1) It started by describing a previous game called Spiderman 2 ("Free-swinging travel ... made for a fun, if mindless, title.")
      2) It continued describing this game under review: "giving players the chance to control both"
      3) It has the joystick icon
      4) It's posted by Zonk

      So which of these hints did you miss? What did you lose by clicking the Read more link in your confusion?

    16. Re:It's a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zonk, we've talked about this before. There's a huge difference between being a skilled writer and being a good writer.

      Words like "skilled", "good" and "writer" seem strangely out of place when you are talking about Zonk.

    17. Re:It's a game? by mark_wilkins · · Score: 1

      1) and 2) were how I figured it out, after staring at it for a bit. 3) Didn't see it or make the connection. 4) Who's Zonk? -- Mark

  2. "Sex in the City" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Free-swinging travel through the streets of New York"

    Are you talking about a superhero game, or another rerun of "Sex in the City" ?

    1. Re:"Sex in the City" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's 'Sex *and* the City' you dork.

  3. R.H.I.N.O? by obli · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What does that acronym mean anyway?

    1. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by lilrowdy18 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Robotic Hindrance in New Orleans?

      Wait thats Kathleen Blanco...

    2. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good question... i wonder if its some spin on the old character, because in the images of the article the rhino is a robot...

    3. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by mondoterrifico · · Score: 2, Informative

      As far as I know it isn't supposed to be R.H.I.N.O, but simply Rhino.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhino_(comics)

    4. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Leiterfluid · · Score: 1

      Look at the picture in the review. It's a mechanized version of the Rhino.

    5. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1

      Well, that's in the Amazing storyline, which is the original.

      This is the Ultimate storyline. So they are actually different, but the same.

      It's just the same old comic book universe splintering for more titles to sell thing.

    6. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Telvin_3d · · Score: 3, Informative

      Personally, splintering is a bad way to describe the Ultimate line. In a lot of ways, it is almost the opposite. They have taken all of the 'splinters' of the original Marvel universe and coalesced them into a single, cohesive whole. Some things have changed, some have not, but all in all, a much more readable and understandable version of the characters and relationships.

    7. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Head Inhaling Nitrous Oxide
      wait that's your mother.

    8. Re:R.H.I.N.O? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually Exoskeletal. Remember, folks, this is ULTIMATE spider man. A whole new breed of spider man from mainstream continuity with a ery different modern spin on good guys and bad guys alike. I loved the new ultimate stuff. it was vastly more honest.

  4. Wow by TarrySingh · · Score: 1

    it does indeed looks great! Can't wait!

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  5. heh heh by grub · · Score: 1, Funny


    You'll know Zonk has a girlfriend when all the game reviews stop pouring in. :)

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    1. Re:heh heh by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 1, Funny
      So Zonk needs a Bonk?

      Now back to my latest Marvel comic purchase before my cheese coagulates on my nachos.

    2. Re:heh heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a duff is a dum dum

    3. Re:heh heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Zonk needs a Bonk?

      Zonk's tedious game reviews for nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter.

    4. Re:heh heh by Hedonist23 · · Score: 1

      The irony of you taking the time to make this "witty" comment is just beautiful. But then, so too is it ironic that I responded... I need to get laid.

  6. Yes yes...but can he swim? by Zeveck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My biggest problem with Spiderman 2 was that poor Peter Parker evidently never learned to swim. Can the wallcrawler swim this time around? I didn't see that mentioned in the review.

    1. Re:Yes yes...but can he swim? by Beren87 · · Score: 1

      No, he still just crawls out, bitching the entire way.

    2. Re:Yes yes...but can he swim? by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      Apparently he wasn't bitten by a radioactive water spider.

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    3. Re:Yes yes...but can he swim? by spyder913 · · Score: 1

      Next time you find a spider in your house (even better if it's a radioactive spider) throw it into water and see how well it 'swims' around.

    4. Re:Yes yes...but can he swim? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To kill spidy just do what I do with his kind, throw him in the toilet bowl and flush. Get's 'em everytime.

  7. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's basically just Spider-Man 2 remade cartoony. Venom sucks, and they seriously dumbed down the swinging complexity. Otherwise it's fun.

  8. spider-mane by deervark · · Score: 1, Funny

    Once i saw a cuban guy singing karaoke, he was singing the Ramones version of the spiderman song. try to imagine in your best internal scarface voice - - - spider-mane, spider-mane, friendly neighborhood spider-mane.

    1. Re:spider-mane by Aenema · · Score: 1

      Cubans pronounce it mang and not mane.

  9. Re:Question for Zonk by Aenema · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'd only start to worry when he starts typing up the same article saying the exact same thing. Score is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

  10. YES, SPIDERS CAN SWIM !! by linumax · · Score: 3, Informative
    We have spiders that can walk on water. We have spiders that can swim under water by carrying an air bubble with them. We have spiders that hunt, paralyze, and then eat small fish and we have hunting spiders that blend in with flowers. We have spiders that jump and "orb weavers" that build round or oval spider webs. And we have cob web spiders, whose webs are more three dimensional and often look more like a tangled mass.
    You can find more here.
  11. Scaling walls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    My only real complaint is the lack of a quick method of scaling a building.

    L2+R2 when wall-crawling zips you up a building extremely fast.

  12. Spidey slow to scale buildings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spider man slowly crawls vertically up buildings but if you press both the web swing and web attack buttons at the same time he shoots out web and whips himself up the building really fast. I guess the reviewer wasn't intelligent enough to figure this out.

  13. the game, right? by Speare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldn't the first paragraph indicate we're talking about a game? Spider-Man is represented in comics, movies, costumes, toys, and for all I know, confections. The only hint before digging in was the Atari 2600 joystick icon next to the story.

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    1. Re:the game, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, are a moron.

    2. Re:the game, right? by cornface · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the first paragraph indicate we're talking about a game? Spider-Man is represented in comics, movies, costumes, toys, and for all I know, confections. The only hint before digging in was the Atari 2600 joystick icon next to the story.

      Well, if the game joystick image wasn't enough, the numerous screenshots from the game might have been sufficient to power the train to Clueville.

    3. Re:the game, right? by xerxesVII · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should design an icon for "software toys" so that everyone can finally know what the story will be about. I was also confused. I saw that controller and thought this was going to be about the new Spiderman cereal that I've been waiting so long for.

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  14. short the things by in-tech · · Score: 1

    wouldnt be sad to see such long text and that too of spiderman.

  15. How bad is the web swinging? by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I really loved about Spiderman 2 was the way that you really had to plan out your webbing on the fly, webbing onto specific buildings. The rest of the game was just so-so, but swinging around the city was an incredible blast. I was planning to pass this one up because it sounded like it was missing the one thing that I really liked in Spiderman2. I was really hoping for a sequel to Spiderman2 that kept the web swinging but with more types of random events and a better story.

    So how badly has the web swinging been dumbed down? Does the webbing still attach to buildings? (I hope we haven't returned to the old webbing-from-the-sky scheme of older Spiderman games). Are the acrobatics still there? What could you do in Spiderman 2 that you can't do in this game?

    1. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The web swinging isn't that much different. In Spider-Man 2 I found myself going web, jump, web, jump. In Ultimate Spider-Man you just hold the web button for as long as you want to swing on a single web and then release and web again. The webs still attach to buildings, no sky webbing.

      What they really dumbed down is the fighting. Very limited combos, no finesse that was possible in 2.

    2. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      It still attaches to buildings. In fact the webbing stays there for a few minutes or until you go far enough away.

      The problem is, you spend a lot of time across the river in NY (where in Spider-Man 2 you were only there for 1 mission). In that area the buildings are mostly homes or 3 story buildings, so webbing's a reach bitch, so you need to do a lot more ziplining to aide in your travel.

      It's not dumbed down, but I don't recall if the webswinging is more fun than Spider-man 2.

      P.S. I loved the story, I too almost want to go out and start reading the comics.

    3. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      P.S. I loved the story, I too almost want to go out and start reading the comics.

      In general, the Marvel "Ultimate" titles are excellent re-envisioning of the classic Marvel characters. They try to be a bit more "realistic" than the originals (although obviously when talking about superheroes that is very much relative), and they have just enough twists on the original versions to keep older readers from thinking that they know what is going to happen. In particular, the Ultimate Spiderman comics are quite good, and recapture some of the appeal of the early Spiderman stories when Peter Parker was still in high school. The early issues are available as collections.

    4. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by Duelmaster2001 · · Score: 1

      The fighting is not dumber down, it's different. Instead of focusing all your attacks on one person like in Spidey 2, in USM you gain signifigant bonuses for attacking multiple enemies at once, so it become a game of how well you can calculate whether to attack a greater threat or spread attacks around to deal more aggregate damage.

    5. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Well, that makes some sense, though. Spider-Man grew up in Queens, so he'd probably be out there quite a bit.

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    6. Re:How bad is the web swinging? by mrobin604 · · Score: 1

      You still have the targeted webbing from the first one, but the swinging mechanic has changed so that it's simpler, but I think less engaging than the web mechanic of the first one. Also, Spidey can't power up his jumps like he could in Spiderman II...

      I too was hoping for Amazing Spiderman to be Spidey II with more content, since the mechanics of that game were just awesome. The content of AS is great, the Electro fight specifically, but I found little reason to keep playing beyond the story mode. I spent a good ten hours in Spiderman 2 swinging around, jumping from building to building, and generally just playing with the game mechanics outside of the story.

      Hopefully the next Spidey will be based off Spiderman II.

  16. Wall climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just to point out, climbing the walls can be slow, try looking up while clinging to the wall and web-zipping (you know, that weird 2-button move) upwards. You can get to the top pretty quickly.

  17. Bendis Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bendis sucks as a writer. Of course if you enjoy OC or other teeny bopper discussions then you probably will like his writing style.

  18. fun game! by Ser\/o · · Score: 1

    I'm enjoying this one, but I can't say I'm enjoying it more than the SM2 game. I think this is at least partly due to SM2 being so much better than the the version before it, that I was surprised when I fired fired it up.

    The controls are still great in this one, but I'm not a huge fan of cell-shading. Talking to different folks, it seems I'm in the minority on that though.

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  19. It's Not That Great by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 5, Informative
    Graphically, the game is amazing. The presentation is fluid and attractive and absolutely engaging. Otherwise, Ultimate Spider-Man is grievously inferior to its predecessor, Spider-Man 2. The games are so similar to each other in mechanics and presentation that it's impossible to refrain from comparing them.

    For starters, the character's attacks have been dramatically reduced. Gone is the dodge button. Now when your Spider-sense goes off, your choices are to do nothing or jump around wildly. Gone are the dozens of awesome combos, air tricks, and web moves. No you have a basic punch, a stronger attack, and a few very basic combinations of the two. You're reduced to mindless mashing. Oh, you can web enemies, too, but they only holds them in place for a few seconds. Swinging them around your head, swinging enemies into each other for extra damage, shooting web-balls... all of that is vanished to the ether and a much smaller fraction remains. Even the random city events are few and far between. In Spider-Man 2, there could easily be two events on one block. In Ultimate Spider-Man, finding one is almost as improbable as finding one of the illogically place hidden tokens.

    Thanks to the lack of moves, completing challenge races, beating up thugs, and finding tokens have almost zero benefit. Sometimes they're required to move the story forward, but it's not like you get points or anything for them, because even if you did there're no upgrades to be had. Even though the tokens unlock "secrets", they are nothing more than character portraits and comic book covers. It's the equivalent of throwing commercials and trailers onto a DVD and proclaiming that it's "packed with extras!". There's no substance to it. The tokens themselves are populated almost completely contrary to what you'd expect from a game with, well, hidden tokens. The tallest buildings in the city? There's nothing up there for you. Just keep moving along-- why would you even want to climb that building in the first place? Instead, you better check the footbridge in the park. Or the alley by the library. Or one of dozens of locations where nothing interesting or related to the story can be found.

    But playing Venom should be fun, right? I mean, the commercials give a pretty clear impression of the dichotomy between playing a villain and playing a hero. "Which will you be?" the ads proclaim, invoking thoughts of influence from blockbusters such as Knights of the Old Republic or even Fable. Unfortunately, the commercials are entirely misleading. The game decides when you play as Venom or Spider-Man, and what you can do with them. It switches you to Venom every few sequences, but the missions are much shorter and much more linear. And for all the fluff surrounding the Venom character, his attacks do no more damage than Spider-Man's, and his inability to web-swing makes his movements more limited. Yeah, his super-jump is cool at first, but I'd take swinging any day. When a game has as many follow/chase/race missions as Ultimate Spider-Man, you really need a little horizontal locomotion. Venom can throw objects, which sounds useful, unless you want to throw it at anything specific. If you want to just watch a slow animation of something being upended, then it's truly awesome, but don't try anything foolish like aiming. All of these shortcomings make playing as Venom feel tacked-on and gimmicky.

    The camera is a bit of a problem, which is not to be unexpected. It swings around wildly when you get near, say, the side of a building you're jumping for and climbing on, and tends to want to swing around the opposite direction of, say, what you actually want to see. However, that's pretty standard fare for a 3D game. At there's a convenient camera lock-on for those crazy battle sequences, right? Wrong again. The camera lock-on is largely theoretical. It never seems to work and if does, there's no confirmation or indication that you've locked on to an enemy.

    Spider-Man 2 was quite the surprise when i

    1. Re:It's Not That Great by jeblucas · · Score: 1

      This is a better review than the damn article. Next time you buy a game within a month of release or so, brokenarmsgordon, write up a review. Seriously. It reads well, comments intelligently on the game and the genre, &c. Well done.

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    2. Re:It's Not That Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i couldn't agree with this more...
      i've finished the game and its really sub par to SM2...
      i will say this though, you should practice more with throwing cars...i can hit like 5 guys in one throw when i play as venom in the free rome game...

  20. 2600 joystick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I surf with Lynx, you insensitive clod

  21. Ye Olde Plot vs. Gameplay by kfg · · Score: 1

    Despite some of the gameplay shortcomings the plot of the game is top-notch

    I'm afraid this is why I don't play many games like this, and will likely skip this one. I pretty much stick to open ended games without even a hint of plot these days. Besides the infinite replay value when a game only has gameplay to fall back on the developers tend to remember to avoid gameplay shortcomings (or at least the good ones do).

    Plot can certainly enhance a good game, I'm not agin it (See Grim Fandango), but it cannot make a game. If I want a killer storyline I can always go read some Joseph Conrad or something. If I want a good game I don't want gameplay shortcomings, no matter the plotline.

    KFG

    1. Re:Ye Olde Plot vs. Gameplay by Fezmid · · Score: 1

      > Plot can certainly enhance a good game ... but it
      > cannot make a game.

      I think fans of Final Fantasy VII would disagree with you.

    2. Re:Ye Olde Plot vs. Gameplay by xtieburn · · Score: 1

      err your joking right? FFVII had an incredible world compelling characters and brilliant system. Its total lack of non linearity made it what it is and even though im not the biggest fan of it I can see why it is hailed as being such a good game.

      Its plot was confused messy trash leading sometimes to the out right wierd and ultiamtely to an unsatisfying ending (After an annoyingly long fight with moves that made me want to chew through my controller cause theyd been done 70 billion times and take several days to complete.)

      Plot is very much like graphics, if a game is there then a good plot will enhance it to greatness (Max Payne a fairly standard, solid third person engine brilliant stylish story.), but the gameplay _has_ to be their and, no FFVII isnt made by its terrible plot line.

  22. PC Version by Gailin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently played the PC version of this game, and had a horribly buggy experience. My gaming desktop is moderately powered machine (AIW 9800 Pro, Athlon 3200+, 1g RAM) and I was able to play the game in 1600x1200. That is, until I met up with Human Torch. During that racing sequence, I had to drop the game down to 800x600 so I could play. After that sequence, I was able to play the rest of my time in 1600x1200. The controls also seemed off, in one mission I was asked to set someone down, by pressing a key (had not changed it from default). For the next 20 minutes I hit every key on the keyboard trying to put the person I was carrying down. Exit...reboot.. Problem still exists. This was still very early in the game, so I thought perhaps I would start over, that somehow I had just happened to do something that caused me to be "stuck". Got back to the same part, and encountered the exact same bug.

    So 20 minutes into the game, I was hit by a game ending bug twice... At that point I uninstalled. I'm sure the game was much better on the consoles, but the PC port seemed untested, as I encountered all these issue within the first 20 minutes of playing.

    Gailin

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    I wish there was a fscking blue pill
    1. Re:PC Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it was so much a bug. That point had me confused for a while but if you picked him up off a rooftop, you have to go down to the ground and put him down(the person will light from red to green when you are allowed to put him down.)

      I play in 1280x1024 with a P4 2.53, 1 gig ram, GeForce 5700LE and was able to run the Human Torch race fine.

      I however found myself bored with the game in a couple of hours, beat the storys pretty quick, as nice as a story, it still was pretty short gameplay. Playing as Venom was fun for sometime but I got tired of that quick too. After that, there's really nothing more to the game then hunting down secret tokens, and playing races over and over again.

    2. Re:PC Version by Gailin · · Score: 1
      I don't think it was so much a bug. That point had me confused for a while but if you picked him up off a rooftop, you have to go down to the ground and put him down(the person will light from red to green when you are allowed to put him down.)

      I wish that were the case. I noticed the color variations that you described but was still unable to put him down. The fact that you passed that area indicates it may have been something in my local install. Thank you for helping to clear that up.

      Gailin

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      I wish there was a fscking blue pill
    3. Re:PC Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so why I play on consoles. PC games are better, no question, but what a hassle. Would buy Battlefield2 in a heartbeat but My 2 year old PC wouldn't even be able to handle it.

  23. Peter Parker still the same shy guy? by Sattwic · · Score: 1

    Ok, getting to the point many of us are really subconsciously wanting to know...

    Real life Peter Parker still a archetypical Geek in there, shy and hesistant?
    Or can he swanky walk up and in a sexy tone say, 'Hi there babe', swirls a mesimerised girl around and french-kiss her?

    THIS is very Important ya know!

    1. Re:Peter Parker still the same shy guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it's the later, seeing as he already has Mary Jane in the bag at 15 years old. She knows he's Spider-Man already, so I bet that was his big pick-up line.

  24. Better comparison by dbhankins · · Score: 1

    What I found most disappointing about the review was the lack of a sense of history.

    The game was only compared to the previous comic->movie->game licenses for the latest console generation. But, seeing as how this game is more closely based on the comics, it would have been better to include a comparison to its closer spiritual kin, the comic->game licenses Spiderman and Spiderman 2: Enter Electro for the PS1.

    When I first tried Spider-Man for the PS2, I found that the controls and motion, though substantially the same as the PS1 titles, somehow *felt* clunkier. The motion certainly seemed less smooth. And the new game carried with it the teen angst and dark tone of the movie rather than the cheerful fun of the earlier titles. I didn't even bother with Spiderman 2 for the new consoles because I expected more of the same.

    What's a Spiderman title, anyway, without Stan Lee's over-the-top narration?

    I don't yet know how good Ultimate Spiderman is yet, but if it harks back to the fun of the earlier titles, it may be worth a rental to find out.

  25. Ultimate? by xjerky · · Score: 1

    I might have been insterested in this if only it featured the real Spider-Man that's appearing in the comics. The Ultimate Spider-Man is based on an alternate universe, with many elements changed from actual continuity. I'll pass.

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    A sentence you'll never see on an Internet discussion board: "You know what? You're right."
    1. Re:Ultimate? by dbhankins · · Score: 1

      You must be from some alternate universe where comics have continuity. Peter Parker's been a teen/young adult for what? 30 years? And his character has been re-invented as much as any other in the universe of Marvel comics. I seem to even remember a time (got an issue or two from it too) when there were *two* Peter Parkers, one a clone of the other. They couldn't both be Spiderman, so one was the Scarlet Spider!

    2. Re:Ultimate? by xjerky · · Score: 1

      Well, I never said that *all* of the true continuity was good.....

      It's just that essentially Ultimate Spider-Man is a completely different character than Spider-Man.

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      A sentence you'll never see on an Internet discussion board: "You know what? You're right."
    3. Re:Ultimate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the opposite. Ulitmate Spidey is Peter Parker, bit by a spider, lives in Queens w/ Aunt May, geek picked on by the jocks at school, etc. etc. The entire Ultimate series of titles takes the existing stories, starts them over in modern day and uses some subtle tweaks to the canon to keep things fresh and unpredictable.

      The archetype Peter Parker story is exactly the same, it is just the more specific story details that differ. I find the ultimate version to be almost a more pure version of Spiderman. The current ASM version is a schoolteacher, married to Mary Jane, lives in the Avengers tower, Aunt May knows he is Spiderman and is romanticly involved with Jarvis the Avengers butler...

      They are also clsoing in on issue 100 of USM and he is still in High School... in the original ASM series, he was out of High School fairly early in the 500+ issue run.

    4. Re:Ultimate? by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "Peter Parker's been a teen/young adult for what? 30 years?"

      Only if you consider the books realtime. How do you know each issue isn't one day in the life of Parker? And, uh, he's not still in 1972?

      This game looked really promising until I tried to play it on the PC. The control is shit. Maybe I'd have better luck with a gamepad than the kb/mouse, but I didn't bother trying.

  26. When does this movie come out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From reading the article it sounds great! I wonder who will star? Who will direct? Maybe Tim Burton!

  27. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this on slashdot again.... especially on the front page. News of a game review being posted doesn't exactly strike me as very important

  28. Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by Babbster · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Ultimate Spider-Man (VG) does not build on the "framework" of Spider-Man 2 (VG). It was in development before the latter even reached beta. They used some ideas from last year's game but it's a different team.
    2) The plotline of "canon" Spider-Man goes back to Amazing Fantasy, not "Amazing Stories." Amazing Fantasy issue 15 for the even more anal out there.
    3) Ultimate Spider-Man (the comic book) was created before the movies, let alone any "popular response" to them.
    4) Mentioning Brian Michael Bendis (the writer of Ultimate Spider-Man) without mentioning Mark Bagley (the peniciller of Ultimate Spider-Man and another consultant on this videogame) is a crime against humanity, especially since the "distinctive" art style is mentioned.

    1. Re:Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Zonk we're talking about here. He's the type of editor that amazes me that he knows how to turn on his monitor every morning. Every review he does, it seems he never reads the instructions, doesn't do any accurate research, or allow another editor to proofread and fact-check.

      Every Zonk review is like prying open your eyelids and being forced to watch Teletubbies. But then again, I doubt Zonk has ever heard of Mojo.

    2. Re:Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 1

      1. No, Ultimate Spider-Man was made after the Spider-Man 2 videogame, and is likewise by Treyarch.

    3. Re:Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by Babbster · · Score: 1

      No. Ultimate Spider-Man was in development at the same time as Spider-Man 2, though (obviously) the latter started development before the former. And, no. They were developed by separate teams AT Treyarch, though the USM team did work with the SM2 team. In other words, despite the implication in the review, USM is not a follow-up to SM2 except in a purely chronological sense.

    4. Re:Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      >> "4) Mentioning Brian Michael Bendis (the writer of Ultimate Spider-Man) without mentioning Mark Bagley (the peniciller of Ultimate Spider-Man..."

      I thought Alexander Fleming was *the* peniciller. Perhaps Ultimate Spidey had Ultimate Syphilis?

                -dZ.

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      Carol vs. Ghost
      ...Can you save Christmas?
    5. Re:Introductory Paragraph All Kinds of Wrong by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Very nice! :) Unfortunately, when I post on my work computer I'm stuck with IE6.0 and Slashcode isn't rendering the preview (which I usually rely upon heavily when posting) properly in that browsher...Of course, it's rendering very badly in Firefox, too, so I can't put all the blame on IE despite my hatred for it.

  29. What? by AndyFewt · · Score: 1

    Sorta offtopic, but, "Spiderman 2 was one of the best movie tie-ins"? Hold on, were we watching the same spiderman 2? I wouldnt use "best" for anything in that film.

  30. More Slashdotomercials! by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look, I don't mind advetising. Really I don't.

    But advertising on Slashdot pretending to be a review or news story is unethical. If you are going to accept paid advertisments, make it clear that they are paid advertisments!

    Think of all the big games that get ignored on Slashdot, and then think of the ones that have huge glowing reviews (Hulk, Spiderman), and it is clear that there is some payola going on here.

    COME CLEAN SLASHDOT!!! We know this is a scam!

  31. Scaling buildings quickly by JustJon · · Score: 1
    My only real complaint is the lack of a quick method of scaling a building. Having played Hulk, where the big green can surge up the side of the building in giant leaps, Spider-Man's slow crawl was somewhat frustrating.

    To scale a building quickly in the game, press the L+R buttons, and like on the ground, you will launch yourself forward.

  32. R.H.I.N.O. stands for Robotism Heuristic... by starvingartist12 · · Score: 3, Informative

    From http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/ultimate_s pider_man_boss_enemy.txt

    R.H.I.N.O stands for "Robotism Heuristic Intelligence Navigable Operative".

    The R.H.I.N.O is a battle armor created by Alex O'Hirn, a geeky scientist. At first, it was just a robot, which got it's keister kicked by Iron Man. Alex O'Hirn decided to make it a suit, which he than used for himself. In the 616 Universe, Alex O'Hirn was a thug stuck in a Rhino suit which gave him immense strength. So you can see the huge difference between the 616 and the Ultimate Universe.

  33. Ultimate sellout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I'm just a sentimental, bitter old man, but I have to admit that these "ultimate" remakes of the Marvel titles I grew up with kinda piss me off.

    The ones I've browsed (Spiderman and X-Men) would probably seem pretty good if I hadn't followed the original storylines, but since I had followed them pretty religiously I feel like a large part of my pre-teen/early teen years has been pimped out to turn a quick buck for the "new" Marvel...

    Regardless, I'll probably check this game out as there isn't much else out at the moment.

  34. Re: GTA Venom by 4volt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Once you pass all the story missions you can "Switch Heros" and wander the city as Venom, and in that mode gameplay is switched to a style similar to Grand Theft Auto where you build up points and local cops and military try to stop you. Worth the time of playing though all the lame race missions.

  35. GTA Mode with Venom by 4volt · · Score: 1

    Some of the gameplay is rather lame, like the many "race" missions, but in general not bad. Once you pass all the story missions you can "Switch Heros" and wander the city as Venom, and in that mode gameplay is switched to a style similar to Grand Theft Auto where you build up points and local cops and military try to stop you. Worth the time of playing though all the lame race missions.

  36. Sprint time and my opinion by Duelmaster2001 · · Score: 1

    Now for a moment of shameless showing off; my best time to complete the game from starting a new game to completign the last mission is just under 2 hours. Can anyone beat that? Course, I have an unfair advantage, I was QA at activision on USM for about 2 months. Played way more USM than should ever be played of one game.

    And my views on the game? Overall, a good game. Not great, but good. It's a fun romp, but not something I would stick with for more than an hour or so at a time.

    What I liked: A minority I may be, but I actually liked the Spider-man combat. It was a lot of fun seeing whether you could get Ultimate and working on becoming an expert on when to switch attacks. The boss fights in general are very fun, and it's a lot of fun to just blow random things up with cars. Throwing cars with Venom definitly takes some getting used to, but it's quite accurate one your used to it. If you want a challenge, try hitting helicopters with army tanks in "The Great Escape"

    What I didn't like so much: Shenanigans got awfully repetitive awfully fast, especially med transport missions. Chase mission are especially annoying with Venom because one mistake can cost you the entire mission ("chase electro" in particular is bad for this) Trick races are obscenly difficult in comparison to the rest of the game. After working about 50 hours a week just playing USM, I still could only get Ultimate on about half of the trick races. And I was one of the best at them!

    Final thing: The complaint about tentacle attacks being the most effective attack with Venom is only true when you aren't very good. You can get some awesome combos with Venom when you learn him better. For example, hitting tentacle, then grab, then punch will have Venom tantacle attack, grab the emeny with the tentcale, pull them close and then Venom will power punch them into the ground. Lots of fun!

    Oh yes, and buy Gun when it comes out. Great game. Can't say anymore, I've got a bitch of an NDA over me.

  37. Cell-Shading on Next Gen Consoles by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    Is there any evidence of Cell-Shaded games forthcoming on the next gen consoles? If so I'm wondering if there will be any improvement in the looks of the games. I can't wait for a next-gen Spidey game.

    Spidey 2 is a really cool game. Once you get web swing up to level 8 its a blast to dive from the tallest building and web swing at the last second. The speed sensation is really well done.

    OT:
    Since the Venom mode has some sort of GTA style play, does this mean a Spider-Man San Andreas will be forthcoming? and is a Hot Coffee Mod 'secretly' in the works ? ;)

  38. Superman 64 by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 1

    "and the web-swinging is easily one of the most entertaining travel modes in any video game I've played. "

    He obviously never played Superman for the N64.

  39. Duh - the JOYSTICK is a dead give away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're kidding, right?

    The joystick is a dead giveaway. I didn't think the Atari 2600 joystick meant that it was a movie. geez.