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iPod Video Coming to a Car Near You

_am99_ writes "In the "one more thing" media event today, an iPod that can play Video was announced. The initial content seems to be music videos that can be purchased from the iTunes Music Store." In related news aquachannel writes "Apple has just updated their iPodYourCar page to include a slew of new car companies. This means that there'll be a lot of cars that you can buy off the showroom floor and use your iPod with your car - right off the floor and out of the box."

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  1. Finally... by rovingeyes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This would be a big hit if they can stick to that price of $1.99 per video and have variety in the content provided. Already they have a winner with music videos and Pixar offerring six short films. MTV has turned in to a channel that has nothing to do with music. Also I don't have to put up with all the crappy vidoes with MTV stupid logos and artwork, assuming Apple is going to just give me a clean video. Along with that it'd be nice if they can provide other content like stand-up routines or I'd love if Jon Stewart could force comedy central to provide it's videos for video ipod.

    1. Re:Finally... by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Music videos are commercials for albums. Yawn.

      Being able to download TV shows is a much bigger deal, especially shows which I otherwise would not have free access to, such as the new Doctor Who episodes from the BBC.

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    2. Re:Finally... by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pixar is also making six short films available through the iTunes Music Store for the same $1.99 USD price.

      Yep, the $1.99 price point seems pretty nice. I think this is the beginning of the end for DVDs and services around DVDs (Blockbuster, NetFlix, etc). Putting Pixar content up there is a way to show the movie industry, "Hey, look what we can do here. Extremely low distribution costs, instant access for customers." Does anybody know if this video content is HD? If so, then the format wars for HD DVD will become meaningless pretty soon.

    3. Re:Finally... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, is anyone kind of wondering why Slashdot didn't also mention iTunes 6 (five weeks after iTunes 5), Apple releasing a living room media center app called FrontRow with an iPod-like remote (which has 6 buttons compared to Microsoft Media Center's 40 buttons), a new iMac with built-in iSight cam, television shows for sale from ABC, etc.?

      Instead, it's kind of like..."Yeah, it looks like they released video-based iPods and some other stuff. Hey, here's stuff about cars. Ho-hum."

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    4. Re:Finally... by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Music videos are commercials for albums

      These days thats all there is, since MTV doesn't have time for much else, but if you look back... I'd pay $2 for New Order's True Faith video (possibly the most bizarre one I've ever seen outside of Asia, and if you've got stranger I'll take recommendations) or for Alien Ant Farm's version of Smooth Criminal.

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    5. Re:Finally... by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does anybody know if this video content is HD?
      According to Steve the video availabe through iTMS is all 320 x 240, which is the native resolution of the new iPod. Far from Hi-Def, but probably just right for the screen size that it's intended for.

      I doubt this will have much if any impact on the HD DVD format wars since most people won't see this as a device for watching video on their TV. Apple is marketing it is as a portable video device, and if it works then that's what it will work as. I expect in the next year or so that we'll see them introduce a product similar to AirTunes Express, but with video capabilities. That's what would really get me excited.

    6. Re:Finally... by tanguyr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unless it's Apple's intention that you don't watch the content on your video iPod, this seems very highly unlikely.

      The apple store is selling an AV cable to "...connect your iPod to a television -- either directly or via the Universal Dock" - price: $19

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    7. Re:Finally... by mysqlrocks · · Score: 2, Informative

      only Japan and Korea really have the telecommunications infrastructure to support this.

      ...and Burlington, VT USA where I live. I am a beta tester for a municipal fiber optic service which will deliver high speed Internet access to every resident by 2007. As a beta tester I'm getting 5Mbps symmetrical service. This should be sufficient for HD content. People don't have faster service because there is little demand for faster service (people really just surf the web and maybe download a few songs). DSL and Cable are fast enough for most users Internet habits. There is a little demand for faster service because there is little out there that people would use this bandwidth for. All we need is a few places with decent bandwidth and a few services that can take advantage of these services and consumers will start to demand it. I, for one, say bring it on. Give me a super fast connection and services that take advantage of this bandwidth. Somebody needs to push the limits of the current technology. We can't just say, "downloading HD content won't work because nobody has the bandwidth for that" and then on the other hand Cable and DSL companies are saying, "why are we going to give our customers faster service, what the hell are they going to use it for?" Somebody needs to have some balls to throw a service out there to start showing people what's possible.

    8. Re:Finally... by dr.badass · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple releasing a living room media center app called FrontRow with an iPod-like remote (which has 6 buttons compared to Microsoft Media Center's 40 buttons)

      Bear in mind that the button comparison is a bit skewed, as Windows Media Center's remote includes functions for that archaic device: the television.

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    9. Re:Finally... by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I'm on the road, whether for business or for tourism, I like to travel with a laptop, a case of DVD's, and an RF adapter for hacking my way into the TV sets typically found in hotel rooms.

      I might still travel with the laptop sometimes, but for 90% of the non-business trips I take, this new iPod looks like it could be the ideal replacement. The small size makes it easier to carry around, and much easier to watch in a coach seat on a plane. With the AV cable, I'll also be able to use it on hotel TV sets, though with a slightly lower resolution.

      Even with an external battery pack to extend run-time (such as the ones Belkin already sells for the current iPod), It will still occupy considerably less space than a carry-on bag than a laptop or portable DVD player, making it the perfect companion for a flight I'll be taking across the Pacific next Spring.

      I've been pretty happy with my trusty old 3G 20GB iPod so far, but this new one, combined with the ability to download video content, really has me thinking seriously about upgrading.

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    10. Re:Finally... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It should also be noted that Apple is a member of the Blu-ray group, so expect to see those drives in next year's Macs. I thought it was obvious six months ago that HD-DVD was dead in the water, and now with Dell, HP, a ton of movie studios, Apple, and others backing Blu-ray and H.264 over HD-DVD and VC-1 (WMV9), the writing's on the wall.

      Right now, Apple's videos are at 320x240, probably for bandwidth reasons as well as the fact that HD H.264 decoding requires a powerful machine that most don't have yet. But this is a start--Apple is quickly becoming the forerunner of "digital media" (finally, a use for that buzzword that actually applies).

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    11. Re:Finally... by databyss · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Pacific is a biiiig ocean.

      I sure hope you like "That's So Raven".

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    12. Re:Finally... by bnenning · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell... I'd pay 4.99 per episode for the new Doctor Who

      Yeah, there are some great opportunities here. Imagine new Firefly episodes as iTunes exclusives. Being able to vote with our wallets instead of our Neilsen boxes can correct the fundamental flaws of existing ratings methods that force nearly everything to the lowest common denominator.

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    13. Re:Finally... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      not true HD, but comperable to DVD

      More like comparable to VCD and SVCD.

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    14. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm surprised they didn't release a remote with only one button.

    15. Re:Finally... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

      "H.264 video up to 768 kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per second; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per second"

      so, not true HD, but comperable to DVD


      You are aware most DVDs are 720x480 or 720x576, right? I still don't quite get that one because H.264 = MPEG4 Level 10. Either way, it won't look different on your iPod. The first one is the same resolution as a CGA screen, hehe. It's got slightly more than the 16 colors I used to have though.

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    16. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Based on the survey SF gate used to compare the cost per thousand impressions is $35 for the big stations in San Francisco. That is local not national of course, but it gets a figure. This equates to about $0.50-$0.60 per viewer in advertising revenues, butthe studio does not get the $5 from an iTunes download. Apple takes a cut, which is probably 30% or so if margins from music are any guide. At $2 per episode the tradeoff is considerably smaller and you loose the great scale that broadcast has (an extra viewer costs almost nothing to the station). National rate cards are likely to be higher (on a per viewer basis) than local SF, but I've no idea how much higher.

    17. Re:Finally... by stephentyrone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "very surprised" doesn't begin to touch on it. even assuming 720p HD content, you're talking about moving a sustained 83Mb/sec of data over the bus (the decoded video), never mind the issue of needing to read *in* the compressed data, or the actual process of decoding it.

    18. Re:Finally... by XMyth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it's the new tallscreen format we've been hearing so many rumors about.

    19. Re:Finally... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Hell... I'd pay 4.99 per episode for the new Doctor Who. Are you listening BBC/Apple?"

      Even better, why don't you (and others) tell Apple directly?

      http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

      It should be noted that the BBC allowed the new *Doctor Who* to be made available on Sony PSP UMD format - but only in Europe - just as with the DVD release.

      If you'd like to rattle up the online Doctor Who fanbase, join Outpost Gallifrey (www.gallifreyone.com) and share your opinion about watching NewWHO on your iPod.

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    20. Re:Finally... by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 5, Informative
      "Right now, Apple's videos are at 320x240, probably for bandwidth reasons as well as the fact that HD H.264 decoding requires a powerful machine that most don't have yet."

      Au contraire, the new ipod specs say it supports:

      H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
      MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
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    21. Re:Finally... by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please note the assumption of 100 episodes of Dr. Who. While there may be numerous people on Slashdot who know the precise number, based on average human knowledge of actually relevant information, the number of 100 will be used to keep the math simple.

      The number is 13 so far for the new series.

      13x5 = $65

      When you consider that ABC and Fox makes a fortune selling 26-episode boxed sets of their biggest shows on DVD for about $40 each, it's obvious that $65 for downloading low-res rips of a 13-episode series (Bring Your Own Storage Media), is downright extravagant. Even at $26 for the season, they would make a killing.

      Consider this: Let's say that, of the 300 Million people in America, only 0.1% would be willing to pay for Doctor Who episodes. That's still 300,000 x $26, which would be an extra $7,800,000.00 made on a show which has already paid for itself via distribution in other markets!

      Yeah... Just under 8 million dollars... hardly worth the trouble, eh?

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    22. Re:Finally... by itcomesinwaves · · Score: 2, Informative

      what's so "au contraire" about that? Nothing you listed is anywhere near HD, which stars at 720x1,280 (720p). It doesn't even 480x852 (480p) which isn't technically HD (it's EDTV). I think the new iPod is cool, but don't be fooled into to thinking it does HD, it most definitely does not.

    23. Re:Finally... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want to know just how powerful a machine you need to decode H.264? Here's an example: even my 2GHz iMac G5 drops frames on a DVD-quality (4:3) video.

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  2. More at CBS news by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:More at CBS news by op12 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally I can catch up on shows I missed while driving to work the next day.

  3. Erm...TV Shows? by lxt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the *biggest thing* is the fact you can now download TV shows, like Lost, for $1.99 an episode. I think that's pretty earth shattering...a 3 minute pop video, or a 45 minute TV show for the same price?

    1. Re:Erm...TV Shows? by zookie · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Even more than the price comparison, the big deal here is that Apple has gotten a big content provider to agree to a different distribution method than broadcast TV. Up until now, you were lucky to get the content providers to agree to video-on-demand for cable subscribers (only HBO and a few other cable outlets signed up). If ABC is going to offer shows for sale via Internet download, this could be a watershed event.

    2. Re:Erm...TV Shows? by Seanasy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Makes you wonder: When did Apple and Disney (ABC) become friends again? Smart move by Disney in my opinion.

  4. From Engadget by dancpsu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Act I: The iMac G5. We sold over a million of them in its first year. What better place to put the computer than right behind the display? Today we're introducing and all new iMac. [It looks extremely similar] Three great new features.

    (1) It's even thinner. The 20-inch is now thinner than the 17 used to be.

    (2) iSight videocam. The new mac has an iSight built in. The camera has even better specs. Right out of the box videoconferencing without any extra stuff. We wrote a new app called PhotoBooth. [Demo: It has a built in flash - the entire display flashes. There are special effects including "Warhol" and effects that morph your face goofily.]

    (3) Front Row. It s a new way to experience the media on your computer. It's an incredible way to enjoy your music, your videos, and your photos ... from your sofa. We've done a remote control, Apple style. It's got six buttons. [Demo: He presses remote and a menu for Music / Photo / DVD / Video zooms in. There's a giant iPod-style interface for music. "I can enjoy my music from across the room and see the artwork."

    Photos navigates through everything in iPhoto with slide show effects for albums.

    "Now, a lot of people watch DVDs in their iMac, and it would be nice to control them from across the room. Now you can." [Loads DVD of The Incredibles with menu that blurs out the typically unusable menu on the DVD with an iPod-style menu. Movie posters and trailers in HD format streamed from apple.com] This remote control, I just wanted to point something that to me captures what Apple is all about. [Shot of huge button-congested remotes next to the tiny 6-button Apple remote]

    Specs: Bluetooth, Superdrive, Mighty Mouse standard. 17-inch $1299. 20-inch $1699. Available today.

    Act II: The iPod. We announced yesterday that we had shipped almost 30 million iPods. Our market share, 75% of all MP3 players shipping. Five weeks ago we introduced the iPod nano. And you know what? We shipped over a million iPod nanos in the first 17 days, and we could not meet demand. But what about the white iPod? It's been a huge success for us. And therefore, we're going to replace it. The new white iPod. And yes, it does video.

    Specs: Same width and height as current model, but thinner. QVGA (324 x 240) pixel 260,000 color 2.5-inch display. h.264 and MPEG-4 at 30 fps. TV out. 30GB and 60GB models. Same width and height. 30GB is 31% thinner than the curent 20GB model [Making it 0.44-inches thick--say wha?]. 60G is 12% thinner than 20GB. 30G up to 75 hours of video, $299. 60G up to 150 hours video, $399. Shipping in one week.

    And, by popular demand, we make it in black. They also come with a nice carrying case, to keep 'em all perfect. [Thin plastic sleeve--aw shucks]

    [AD: U2 performing live. Oh wait ... it's on an iPod! New silhouette ad with Eminem -- it's not silhouette but a limited color palette. Steve likes the ads so much he runs each one twice. ]

    The new iPod will be 30% thinner than the current 20GB iPod (making it 0.44-inches thick--say wha?), and will feature a 60GB version (which should be thinner than the current 0.63-inch thick 20GB iPod), and editions of both in black.

    What's the device named, you ask? The iPod. That's it, just The iPod. Well spare you the Prince jokes. The iPod will have TV out.

    Stevie has iTunes 6.0 up there--only about a month after introducing iTunes 5.0.

    iTunes 6.0 will also feature video and the iTunes Music Store will feature Fairplay DRMed video downloads (big surprise, right?).

    At launch over 2,000 music videos will be made available at a cost of $1.99 apiece. You can download iTunes 6.0 starting today.

    Oh, and one more thing...

    It's not only music videos you can buy. No, Apple's set up to allow you to purchase TV shows for $1.99 apiece. Get Desperate Housewives or four other ABC shows premiering on iTunes at two bucks an ep. Videos are native QVGA resolution.

    More details to come...

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    1. Re:From Engadget by dancpsu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Act III: iTunes. You know, we have distributed over 200 million copes of iTunes now in the world, and those are only the copies we know about. iTunes in the US has an 84 percent market share for all legally downloaded music. We released iTunes 5 just five weeks ago, but a lot has changed. And so today we're introducing iTunes 6. We've been busy!

            1. (1) Gifting. This has been the most requested feature. You can gift (i.e. buy) iTunes songs for someone else by song, album, or playlist.
            2. Customer reviews.
            3. Just for You. Personalized recommendations. We're going to be recommending albums and singles based on what you've bought before. It's going to be a beta, we'd like your feedback on it.
            4. Video. If we're going to be able to play video on the iPod we're going to need away to buy video. Starting today we have 2,000 music videos for sale.[Shows Madonna catalogue]

      What do they cost? $1.99 each. But we didn't stop there; we're adding some other videos you can buy. Pixar is putting up six of their award-winning short videos. $1.99 each. We are downloading videos 320 x 240, which is the native resolution of the iPod. They're about the size of six songs. All songs are governed by FairPlay. You can play them on up to five computers. They're not rentals. You own them -- they never time out. [Demo of gifting, customer reviews, Just for You, and videos including "Vogue," a U2 live exclusive. Demo of watching U2 video using Front Row on an iMac, playing photos and videos from an iPod on a big screen]

      One more thing...

      We have one more thing today, a pretty big thing. We're announcing one more thing that you can buy off the iTunes store today, and that is TV shows. What's the number one show on TV? What's the second? Lost. And who has these shows? ABC. And who owns ABC? [Disney logo on screen.] I know those guys!

      Lost, Desperate Housewives, Night Stalker, That's So Raven, The Suite Life.

      Yes, you can buy current episodes, and you can buy them the day after they are broadcast. They're ad free so you don't need to fast forward through the commercials, 320 x 240 again. An hour show is about the size of five albums. Depending on your speed it's about 10-20 minute to download an episode. What are they going to cost? $1.99 an episode for current season and past seasons. We have free previews on every episode.

      Thanks everyone!

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  5. Man, was I wrong. by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    And here I thought they were finally releasing the successor to the Apple IIGS.

    Or they fixed up the Apple /// even better this time. Or they bristled at the term "Apple ][ Minus" and went back to Integer BASIC without Autostart. Or they followed up on that Pippin console.

    Quiet you, it could still happen.

  6. One more thing... by all+your+mwbassguy+a · · Score: 4, Funny

    no bluetooth. doesnt support ogg vorbis. lame.

    1. Re:One more thing... by IainMH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh a big bag of _-*WOOSH* to everyone who has replied to this so far!

      It's referencing CmdrTaco's infamous review of the iPod when it first came out.

      http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/ 1816257&tid=107

      N.B. When *is* Slashdot going to start adding years to the timestamps?

    2. Re:One more thing... by aCC · · Score: 5, Informative

      sheesh. You were modded funny. maybe you meant it as a joke. Maybe you didn't. =P

      You must be new here.

      Read this to understand why it's funny. Notice the editor's comment to the story. Still cracks me up every time I read it. :-)

    3. Re:One more thing... by MKalus · · Score: 2, Funny
      I don't know who Microsoft carries those "blind listening tests" with.


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  7. Video iPod pornography. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Has anyone begun selling Video iPod pornography yet?

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    1. Re:Video iPod pornography. by Zach978 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can finally get interested in Podcasting...

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    2. Re:Video iPod pornography. by tbone1 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Has anyone begun selling Video iPod pornography yet?

      Does "Desperate Housewives" count?

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    3. Re:Video iPod pornography. by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe that Apple may have considered adding adult content to the iTunes store, but following the lack of serious interest in this product, they decided that it is too much of a niche market :)

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    4. Re:Video iPod pornography. by kalel666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I'm talking about quadruple anal penetration. Yes, four cocks in one woman's tight cunt."

      Four nearsighted, cross eyed drunks, with no depth perception, apparently.

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    5. Re:Video iPod pornography. by winkydink · · Score: 3, Funny

      or a slashdotter who doesn't know his ass from a... never mind

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  8. cool news by Ankou · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to Stuff magazine:

    "You'll be able to buy TV shows from the iTunes Music Store - Desperate Housewives, Lost and more shows from ABC and Disney." I guess that means Terry Hatcher will be getting into MY pants!

  9. Video Quality by Chubby_C · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm wondering if the resoution of the videos/shows they will be selling will be sufficient enough to watch not only on the V-Ipod but also on your computer, or on a TV (not only with the TV out)? What about burning to DVD?

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  10. No Divx support? by tommers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though Apple seems to be doing great with DRMed AAC files on iPods, iPods would have totally failed if they didn't support mp3s to begin with. I wonder if the video iPod will be able to gain traction without supporting the large collections of TV episodes, music videos, and movies that users already have in their collection in Divx format.

    1. Re:No Divx support? by fracai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference here is that there was an existing market of home ripping MP3 users. There isn't anything like that for home TV ripping (well, fine maybe a small one). The majority of DivX TV files are illegally procured. Well, they're at best not gained through authorized means and that's hazy enough to be illegall under current conditions.

      I expected Apple to come out with ripping software at this event. Something that would rip DVDs to iPod compatible files. I still do expect that actually. I suspect the biggest hurdle is that they have to get the MPAA on board because the DVDs are encrypted and Apple won't want to create DRMed files from your physically owned DVDs.

      I wonder if it at least plays non-FairPlay h.264 files... Off to the iPod site to check.

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    2. Re:No Divx support? by fracai · · Score: 5, Informative

      H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
      MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats


      looks like all you need to do is re-encode your DivX as h.264. shouldn't be a problem if you were able to encode the DVD or TV stream to DivX in the first place ... :)

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    3. Re:No Divx support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder if the video iPod will be able to gain traction without supporting the large collections of TV episodes, music videos, and movies that users already have in their collection in Divx format.

      If only it were that easy. The incredibly variety of formats and codecs that people have "collected" precludes this. There is simply no standardization. "DivX" doesn't often mean "DivX, Inc.'s standardized format". It sometimes means XviD, or AC3 audio, or OGG audio or subtitles, or this or that.

      That said, Mac users will have no trouble using HandBrake DVD rips.

  11. Video iPod -- Who Knew? by JonTurner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Talk about unexpected... that Apple sure can keep a secret!

  12. Not just videos by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TV shows (like Lost) one day after they air, and you know damn well what's next... movies.

    A video airtunes device didn't materialize, but a dock with video out and remote control did.

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    1. Re:Not just videos by Grond · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except the videos are at QVGA resolution (320x240). That's substantially less than even analog TV, much less DVD or HDTV. Don't count on a lot of people ditching their Tivos just yet. Or ditching bittorrent, for that matter. The videos are really just meant to play on the video-capable iPods. Frankly I think they really missed the boat. Knowing Apple, I expect what happened is that ABC/Disney (whom they still have a quasi-relationship with via Pixar) is just testing the waters, rather than Apple not having the foresight to go whole hog with legal TV show downloads. Note, for instance, that the only videos available are ABC/Disney shows and Pixar shorts.

      If it works out, I would hope to see full-res shows on offer from all sorts of networks.

      Also, I wonder...with iTunes you can burn CDs of music, right? Can you burn a DVD of the show? I expect you probably can't, but they ought to make it so you can. Would short-circuit the 'must buy a Mac mini or a new G5 in order to have a media center' thing, though. Hopefully Apple will choose the option that gives its users more freedom to use what they've bought.

    2. Re:Not just videos by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except the videos are at QVGA resolution (320x240). That's substantially less than even analog TV, much less DVD or HDTV. Don't count on a lot of people ditching their Tivos just yet. Or ditching bittorrent, for that matter.

      I'm not ditching my HDTiVo. On the other hand, if I somehow manage to miss a show, or decide to pick up watching a show midseason, at $2 a pop, I'd be more likely to go to iTunes than to Bittorrent.

      This looks like a good foot-in-the-door move for Apple. At that resolution, it's not all that threatening for the TV studios. But if it turns out to be a big source of revenue, the studios might be willing to consider higher resolution.

      What strikes me as most interesting, though, is the potential for selling not merely current shows, but the huge backlist of old TV shows. These weren't HD to begin with, so the low resolution would be less of a sacrifice. And I'll bet that they'll find that they can sell individual shows to people who would not be likely to go to a video shop and pick up a DVD collection.

    3. Re:Not just videos by n8_f · · Score: 4, Informative

      They definitely need to up the video resolution (and they will, once the new video iPod comes out next year and they start integrating this with Frontrow), but I'm watching the first episode of Lost full-screen on my iBook and I have to say, the quality is about the same as the 350MB versions I get over BitTorrent. I thought it was going to be crap, but I am pretty impressed. I won't buy much more (maybe Lost, if I pick up the first season on DVD), because they really need to raise the resolution to at least TV levels (640x480 or 720x480) and I don't want to have to buy it twice, but for just 2 bucks, I think everyone should check it out. Plus, it only uses 40% of my processor, which isn't bad at all.

      I have been waiting for this for so long! Now if I could just get the Daily Show, Peepshow, or The Mighty Boosh....

    4. Re:Not just videos by n8_f · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yes, a 21" monitor at close range is not the ideal viewing platform for this video.

      That said, you don't understand digital video if you don't understand how video at 320x240 could look better than video at 720x480. When looking at compressed video, the resolution is almost useless (after all, my video was 1024x768 when I played it full-screen). The most important characteristics are bitrate and codec (in that order). The bitrate of the Apple videos are about 650kb/s, while the bitrate of a 350MB encode of an hour-long drama like Lost, 24, etc. is about 1000kb/s. However, those are encoded with DivX, XviD, or a couple of other variants of MPEG-4, while Apple uses the far superior h.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10). So that closes the gap considerably.

      The third most important characteristic, and again, far more important than resolution (within reason - 64x48 video is going to be resolution-limited with regard to video quality no matter what the bitrate) would be the source video. And here again Apple is far superior. The DivX releases are taken from cable or broadcast signals and these have undergone at least one analog to digital conversion and very likely several. Both transmission methods throw out a lot of data, especially color information, even with digital cable. Then it is recorded to a computers hard drive, typically encoded as a high bit-rate MPEG-2 file (again losing data - even if it is straight DV, you are losing data) and then encoded again to the DivX format for final distribution. Compare that to Apple, which should be able to take the original HD digital masters and convert them directly to the digital format.

      Probably the fourth most important characteristic is going to be processing time. Most modern video codecs are asymmetric, in that encoding is far more expensive than decoding. And encoding video is a very computationally intensive process. There is a general tradeoff in terms of computational time and video quality. You quickly run into diminishing returns, but you can spent a lot of time optimizing your encoding, especially along the time scale (compressing using elements from previous/subsequent frames; this is usually limited by the decoders minimum requirements). Apple can probably throw a lot more processing power at the problem than anybody encoding TV broadcasts.

      So, yes, the resolution is only 320x240 and that sucks, but the quality is pretty high and the added detail allows it to scale well. The tiling is definitely more pronounced when scaled to full-screen in the Apple video, but the DivX versions have a lot more mosquito noise, which isn't surprising when you realize they are encoding with four times the number of pixels but only two thirds more kb/s.

      Overall, the edge goes to the DivX video, but it is a lot closer than most people would intuitively think. Remember, I'm not comparing this to analog TV, which is guaranteed to be better than its DivX equivalent, I am comparing it to a 350MB DivX version. Also, remember that the blurring of interlaced analog television sets tends to make motion video look better than it does on much less forgiving progressive computer monitors. If you really want to compare it to analog TV, you should watch it on an analog TV set, which is what I am going to do tonight.

  13. Safty Concerns by jamesgamble · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You would think that there would be safty concerns with users able to watch videos on their IPod while driving. That would be a bigger distraction than a cell phone. I really don't think this is a smart move on Apple's part. What if two years down the line, some guy kills someone because he wasn't paying attention to the road, and sues Apple for distracting him. If someone can sue McDonalds for making them fat, then this could and probably will happen.

  14. divx/xvid by Dster76 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, but can I play xvid or divx encoded videos? You know, all the ones that I created from DVDs I own?

  15. This is ridiculous by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is ridiculous. I'm sure I'm not the only one of the several thousands who must have submitted all the OTHER news:

    -iTunes 6
    -New iMac with built-in Firewire camera
    -New app called FrontRow for playing media from your sofa, 6 button iPod-like remote -compared to Microsoft Media Center's 40 buttons
    -New PhotoBooth app for taking pictures that actually uses iMac's screen as a flash
    -Television shows and music videos for sale through iTunes at $1.99.

    Etc....

    Instead, we get "Yeah, they mentioned iPod video today, and here's a lame car link. Disregard all the other news, like Apple taking Microsoft on directly in the living room..."

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    1. Re:This is ridiculous by WozRus · · Score: 2, Informative

      One other thing worth mentioning is this spec on Apple's iMac tech specs page:

      ATI Radeon X600 Pro (17-inch model) or XT (20-inch model) graphics processor using PCI-Express

      AFAIK, this is the first Mac to use PCI-Express. Here's hoping the upcoming Power Macs will sport this as well.

      -W

    2. Re:This is ridiculous by seven+of+five · · Score: 3, Funny

      -New iMac with built-in Firewire camera

      finally, easy out-of-the-box setup for sexcam bunnies....

  16. No more eMacs by linguae · · Score: 4, Informative

    I noticed on Apple's page that the eMac is gone. It is no longer on Apple's hardware website (except under "eMac for Education"), and it is no longer sold at the Apple store.

    I guess the Mac Mini must have made the eMac a bit redundant, so sales of the eMac must have dropped tremendously.

    1. Re:No more eMacs by tim1724 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the eMac is still available for schools to buy, via the Apple Store for Education. (note that it's not available to students or teachers .. only to institutions.)

      Of course, the eMac started out as an education-only product, and it was only after several months of consumer demand that Apple made it available to individuals. I imagine it will stay around for a few more months for schools, and then quietly disappear for good this spring, with Apple telling schools to buy the mini and buy a CRT somewhere else.

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    2. Re:No more eMacs by chochos · · Score: 2, Funny

      So that's it? vi officially wins, at least on OS X?

  17. Of course you can by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget iMovie; Apple is big on people creating their own video.

    Looks like Handbrake just got a lot more popular.

  18. Amazing... by NewbieV · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the report in the New York Times:

    Citing a groundbreaking deal with ABC, owned by The Walt Disney Co., a longtime partner of chief executive Steve Jobs' Pixar Animation Studios Inc., Apple's online iTunes store will sell episodes of hit shows "Desperate Housewives" and "Lost" for $1.99 apiece, making them available the day after they air on television.
    Yes, it's a tiny video screen, but you can attach the iPod to a monitor using S-Video plus audio cabling. How can an organization like the RIAA justify wanting more than 99 cents per song when you can purchase 44 minutes of audio and video for two dollars?
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    1. Re:Amazing... by shark72 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "How can an organization like the RIAA justify wanting more than 99 cents per song when you can purchase 44 minutes of audio and video for two dollars?"

      Because people are buying millions and millions of them at $0.99. They have likely done the research to show that they'll sell millions at $1.49 as well.

      The fundamental thing here is value to the customer. It makes absolutely no difference what else is available for a similar price. If you want that CD for $13, you'll likely buy it despite the fact that a DVD costs $20 or a movie ticket costs $9 or a Urban Outfitters t-shirt costs $16 or a Jhane Barnes t-shirt costs $100 or a cheeseburger costs $4 or a concert ticket costs $40 -- because you want a CD, not a DVD, a cheeseburger or a t-shirt.

      Likewise, if you want a particular song, but you don't happen to want a particular episode of Lost, then the price of the two items relative to each other -- or the price of the item you want relative to anything else on the planet -- makes little difference.

      If anybody reading this is not a fan of the luxury of charging what the market will bear, then great -- figure out how much it would cost you to barely scrape by for a year without vacations or other discretionary spending, and then talk to your boss on Thursday about reducing your salary.

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    2. Re:Amazing... by yabos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      THAT would be insane. To compete with piracy they're going to have to charge a lot less than $5-$10 per episode. I mean, you can download an HDTV quality TV show usually the day after it's on TV for free.

      Sometimes I HAVE to do this because there are 3 or 4 shows that I watch on at the same time. So I can't even watch them all, I have to download at least 2 of them otherwise I miss it.

    3. Re:Amazing... by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How can an organization like the RIAA justify wanting more than 99 cents per song when you can purchase 44 minutes of audio and video for two dollars?

      For one, the 44 minute program was pretty much paid for the night before by advertising dollars.

      But in general, I've noticed this trend as well. Compare the prices for the latest Led Zeppelin releases on CD and DVD. The DVD has about 2x the content (over 300 minutes vs an estimated 180 minutes) in 3 different sound encodings but the CD costs _more_.

      Link for DVD http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 08PX8P/qid=1129144470/sr=8-11/ref=pd_bbs_11/104-09 63173-9088738?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

      Link for CD http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 08OWZC/qid=1129144470/sr=8-12/ref=pd_bbs_12/104-09 63173-9088738?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

      Oh, people still buy the CDs at the higher prices or via iTunes. Now I know why they are more expensive.

    4. Re:Amazing... by Brock+Lee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it's a tiny video screen, but you can attach the iPod to a monitor using S-Video plus audio cabling.

      Sure, but realize that it won't increase the resolution beyond what is viewable on the iPod's display.

      How can an organization like the RIAA justify wanting more than 99 cents per song when you can purchase 44 minutes of audio and video for two dollars?

      The answer to that is simple. Music has high replayability. You can listen to a song hundreds of times over the course of a year. But video media, such as movies and television programs, loses its appeal very quickly. I find it difficult to watch most movies a second time, let alone a third or fourth.

      Plus, music is something you can listen to while doing other things, such as walking down the street or working on your computer. Videos are not well-suited to that, and that makes them somewhat less useful. Yes, sometimes less is more!

  19. iMac G5 has semi-sane prices by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the coolest part are the somewhat reasonable prices on the new iMacs.

    For $1299 you get 17" LCD, built in good quality webcam, 1.9 GHz G5, 512 MB, 160 GB, dual layer slot load DVD writer, Radeon X600 Pro, 802.11g, bluetooth, a wired funky MightyMouse, a remote control, and a bunch of preinstalled software.

  20. No Divx...No Problem by BancBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My PSP doesn't play Divx (or XVID, or WMV, etc.) But that doesn't stop me from watching a lot of my weekly video content on it. With an app like PSPWare to do the conversion from a myriad of formats to the quality setting of my choice, I don't have a problem. As the iPod with Video plays H.264 and MPEG4, I would imagine a similiar application will work just fine to do the conversion and loading for you.

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    1. Re:No Divx...No Problem by CronoCloud · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ffmpeg -y -i foo.mpg -title "foo" -bitexact -vcodec xvid -s 320x240 -r 29.97 -b 1500 -acodec aac -ac 2 -ar 24000 -ab 64 -f psp -muxvb 768
      M4V80113.mp4

      finding out the command line sequence for ffmpeg was easier (for me) than trying to figure out some of those PSP video conversion tools out there. Most of which use ffmpeg as their backend.

  21. Re:Ipod capable cars... by NekSnappa · · Score: 2, Informative

    These units have a dock connector in the glove box, and allow you to control the iPod using the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

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  22. P.S. Avalon versus Quartz by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't forget the best reason to use iTunes 6--they softened the sharp window corners. :)

    Seriously though, they smoothed out the sharp corners of the whole interface. It was actually bugging me in version 5, as trivial as that is. I didn't like the really sharp corners at all, and I know a lot of people were complaining about that. When you're using an app all the time like iTunes, it helps to have it look and feel nice.

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    1. Re:P.S. Avalon versus Quartz by fbg111 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I noticed too and wandered if Apple was uncharacteristically drifting away from their roots.

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  23. Re:Non-iTunes purchased video... by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, on the apple main page it shows how you can put your home movies on the new iPod... Also, the iPod supported mp3 and non-drm AAC since day 1, why wouldn't they support the same with the video iPod....

  24. Re:The Mini Cooper already has this. by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a few options for the IPod in the MINI Cooper.

    1.(cheapass). for $30, you can get a basic AUX port that works with any mp3 player
    2. (not so cheapass) if you have the multi-function-steering-wheel(500 bucks) and the true "ipod adapter"(150 bucks), you can switch volume & tracks with the steering wheel buttons.

    I just wish they would come out with an FM transmitter(or through the audio port if possible) that displays the currently playing track on the MINI's radio. It(along with other BMWs) tells you the track(RDS?) if the radio station supports it. Most around the twin cities do.

  25. Re:TV Shows, too by schnikies79 · · Score: 2, Informative

    itunes has played video (mov) since 4.x

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  26. Re:Ipod capable cars... by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not sure, but I think most of them actually have a dock connecter and some limited software integration that allows you to pause, skip, ect with the stereo controls. Some even display song title and playlists, ect, while others treat the ipod as a CD changer.

  27. No powerbook upgrades?!!!! by Danathar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So far I feel like I've ben gut punched....NO powerbook upgrades? I don't give a rats ass about watching music videos on a 320x200 screen for 2 bucks each! Apple! PLEASE! Do something with the powerbooks!

    1. Re:No powerbook upgrades?!!!! by saj_s · · Score: 2, Informative

      >> Apple! PLEASE! Do something with the powerbooks!

      They are doing something; they're switching to x86 next year.

  28. favourite gripe ... by the+bluebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On a music iPod you only need the screen for navigating. On a video iPod the screen is used to watch stuff.
     
    Can anybody tell me why 60% of the device's front-side real estate is white plastic?

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  29. Re:60GB -- 3 hours of video: Huh? by zalas · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the Apple Store, the iPod 30GB will support "Over 75 hours of video." The 60GB will support "Over 150 hours of video."

  30. Didn't Apple used to be a computer company? by reptilicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, the new iPods and such are nice, and you should understand that I'm a bit biased, as I'm typing this on a 500 Mhz TiBook that desperately needs replacing:

    Where are the upgraded PowerBooks and PowerMacs? We seem to get a new iPod model every two weeks, but no new PowerBooks for over 10 months?

    Grrrrrrr!

    1. Re:Didn't Apple used to be a computer company? by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Apple is making tons of money on iPod, because they're apparently better than anyone else at making MP3 players that people want.

      Making laptops that are better than the competition? Certainly there are a number of people who feel that way, but Apple isn't such a far-and-away leader at laptops as they are at iPods. So it makes sense they should spend more time developing new iPods. (from an "invisible hand" kind of perspective)

      (furthermore, since they're the market leader at mp3 players, and it's not hard for other companies to emulate Apple, it's imperative that they capitalize on this lead right now and solidify themselves as a solid, long-term leader)

  31. American auto makers? by SleezyG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just took a look at the iPodYourCar page. It's really a shame that not a single American auto manufacturer is in that list. I think it's also an indicator of just how bad American cars are and how distant their products are from what consumers want.

  32. Who cares about the video store? by sulli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As long as I can put my own videos (e.g. recorded with a TV capture card) on the iPod, this is awesome. If it's for the store only, forget it.

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    1. Re:Who cares about the video store? by goodbadorugly · · Score: 2, Informative

      The front page of apple.com specifically has the words "home movies" So it looks like you'll be able to put all you want on this baby (probably as long as its encoded in quicktime)

    2. Re:Who cares about the video store? by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quicktime 7.0.3 (released yesterday) has a preset for encoding video for iPods.

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  33. Re:There. You happy? by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

    All iPods with a Dock connector work with the FrontRow remote. All you need is their new "Universal Dock" with a remote receiver.

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  34. 1984 by 101percent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone else see the camera in the imac as a little bit like 1984?

  35. Burn video's to DVD? by tyler083 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone know if iTunes will now burn your video files you buy onto a DVD that will play in a standard DVD player?

    If i buy every episode of a tv show, I may want to burn them to a dvd to watch when someone else is using the computer. or if i'd rather watch it on my huge 40 inch plasma tv (if I had one).

  36. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by enrico_suave · · Score: 4, Informative

    ABC has LOST and Desperate Housewives up for $1.99 in itunes right now...

    see flickr photo of LOST page

    i mean it'll have to be a much more extensive library, but it is an interesting baby step in the right direction... (that is till we find out the DRM times out/expires or something... wondering what I'm *buying* for $1.99 exactly)

    e.

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  37. FrontRow Question by pmike_bauer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone know if FrontRow (and remote) will be available for anything other than the new iMac?

    I can't find any info about this on Apple's site.

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    1. Re:FrontRow Question by WombatControl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the new remote will be available for separate purchase - it's $29. I'd imagine that includes FrontRow. However, the wait times are 2-3 weeks at the moment, which probably explains why they're not publicizing that.

    2. Re:FrontRow Question by pmike_bauer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some guy on www.tuaw.com claims to have spoken with an apple sales rep about this. Supposedly, Front Row won't be available for older macs. I sure hope he's wrong.

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  38. Re:60GB -- 3 hours of video: Huh? by pmike_bauer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its only 3 hours of batter life.

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  39. Classic iPod quotes by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Agree with the article poster - Lame. Not only is this a lackluster MP3 unit (which by virtue of being firewire will be limited to Apple Mac owners), but it has virtually no UI wizardry that might define it as an Apple product. A total waste of time."

    "Raise your hand if you have iTunes ...
    Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...
    Raise your hand if you have both ...
    Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...
    There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod."
    And of course, the obligatory "Apple's going under:"
    Goofy internal projects, expensive gaffes trying to "diversify" into areas it has only a tenuous relationship to, a complete inability to understand markets, and a constitutional immunity against learning from their mistakes. There is no future in a $400 (about $250 too expensive) firewire-only (5% of computer users) hardrive-based (read: fragile) mp3 player. Any one of these critical flaws might doom the product - take them all together and you have another classic corporate farce. When you see silliness on this level, though, normally you expect to see a raging egotist who is immune to common sense and criticism in some position of power in the company... oh wait, Steve Jobs. Never mind. This just reinforces my steadily growing sense of foreboding about Apple. Yes, I've said this before and been wrong, but I'll say it again anyway. They're living on borrowed time."
    Names hidden to spare any embarrassment.

    See the original thread from the time of the original iPod launch.

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    1. Re:Classic iPod quotes by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're absolutely spot on but... you've been saving that for five years just to get a +5 funny mod? Does this not bother you, even a little bit?

  40. Doesn't really explain things by reptilicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ---Well, they are in the middle of a massive shift to intel x86 based processors. That might have something to do with it.---

    If that's the case, then why upgrade the iMac now, the Mini a few weeks ago, the Xserve last month, and the iBook in July? None of these feature x86 processors yet, and they seem to have managed to increase performance for them.

    And whatever happened to those dual core and low power G5 chips that IBM claimed to have?

  41. Re:Disney's new strategy by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's also a way for the new management to kiss up to Steve Jobs, who happens to be the CEO of the successful animation company that walked away from Disney recently because of the old management...

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  42. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by Mercano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey, perhaps this will allow that whole internet disributed fan financed "TV" show idea that gets dug up again every time someone's favorite cult show gets axed.

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  43. Yay for brand recognition. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    DivX is a CODEC which implements the MPEG-4 bytestream format. Like XviD and the QuickTime MPEG-4 encoder, it produces MPEG-4 bytestreams of the form playable by the iPod (assuming it satisfies the bitrate / resolution constraints, and has an audio stream that the iPod can play, e.g. MPEG-4 AAC) and any other MPEG-4 player.

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    1. Re:Yay for brand recognition. by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      DivX is a CODEC which implements the MPEG-4 bytestream format. Like XviD and the QuickTime MPEG-4 encoder, it produces MPEG-4 bytestreams of the form playable by the iPod (assuming it satisfies the bitrate / resolution constraints, and has an audio stream that the iPod can play, e.g. MPEG-4 AAC) and any other MPEG-4 player.

      Well, there's MPEG4, MPEG4 and MPEG4. DivX/Xvid are MPEG4 ASP, but not the same as MPEG4 AVC aka MPEG4 level 10 aka H.264. And AAC is a sound codec (though used mostly with MPEG4 AVC). Long live confusion.

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  44. Re:Finally...-math by kgruscho · · Score: 2, Informative

    2x2=4

    320x240=76800
    640x480=307200 (VGA)

    320x240 is QVGA for quarter VGA
    it has 1/4 the pixels and data.

  45. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Apple.com:

    From there, the sky's the limit, because you own purchased video forever. Watch as many times as you choose, share between five computers, burn to data CDs or sync to the new iPod.

    Sounds like it's exactly like the DRM for music, except you can't burn actual DVDs. Until someone posts the workaround next week.

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  46. Incredible boon to travelers... by lpangelrob · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, that's a pleasant surprise. Here I was thinking "Why would we really want to download music videos?" and Apple comes out and gets ABC in on the deal. For $10, suddenly people can have 2 1/2 hours or more of video on their hard drives to keep them occupied while waiting in line at the airport.

    I wonder if those videos will have commercials? Not that you couldn't skip those either now...

  47. Ummm... by Fusen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe it's because this article is quite new but why hasn't anyone actually said anything about the fact this is just a normal ipod with a 2.5"(!!) screen that can play video? If you want to watch videos on the move then why not go for a real PMP like anything from www.archos.com as they at least have a 3+" screen so you can actually see what you are trying to watch... I mean seriously a 2.5" screen and one video codec supported(?). This isn't exactly a great PMP, but ho hum, this is apple so I'm not surprised no one has critisized it

  48. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why waste a DVD on 320x240 video? CDs will do fine. Apple saves on space and it saves time for consumers if the video is smaller.

  49. Do you have all the packaging? by SamTheButcher · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you take all of it in to your (hopefully) local Apple Store and ask nicely, you might be surprised.

    Then again, if you take it in and ask nicely and they say "no", ask louder and gripe more. If they still say no, whine and cry and gripe and ask for the manager.

    Then you'll be surprised. :)

  50. Content Distribution by bombadillo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real story is content distribution. Apple just broke into the video distribution market in a huge way. Add this video itunes service with the new iMac remote control and you can guess were apple is headed. They are headed straight to your living room. MicroSoft has the same strategy to dominate the living room. MS has chosen another route with their Media Center version of Windows. I would say Apple just took a huge lead. It will be interesting how this play out...

  51. What an idea by ChrisF79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just what everyone needs on our highways... video while driving. This is almost as good as drive through liquor stores!

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  52. Disney, of all companies by mblase · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What amazes me is that Disney (owner of ABC), which was the last major media company to start selling DVDs, was the first company to provide downloadable video to Apple this way.

    Granted their partnership with Jobs' Pixar Animation Studios was probably a big reason they agreed, but nevertheless -- this is a big switch (IMO) from the Disney I used to know. Hopefully it won't be long before other studios and networks see the download numbers for "Lost" and jump in. I bet if HBO can be persuaded to offer their shows on the iTMS (iTunes Media Store, now, I suppose), sales at the Store would skyrocket.

    1. Re:Disney, of all companies by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind they may also see the way the RIAA companies are acting now about the 99 cent price point ITMS has. This time, the content providers have hindsight. I suspect there will be a serious effort to keep Apple from entrenching themselves in this media market as well as they did music. Personally, I hope those efforts fail :)

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    2. Re:Disney, of all companies by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Granted their partnership with Jobs' Pixar Animation Studios was probably a big reason they agreed

      IMO Jobs (via Pixar) essentially putting his money where his mouth is will really help with this.

      OTOH I remember Eisner sitting in front of a congressional panel moaning about Apple and their Rip. Mix. Burn, campaign and how evil it was in light of how Dinsney's latest blockbuster, Monsters, Inc. was being downloaded over the net. I don't think it was until afterwords that someone pointed out to him the same Jobs behind Pixar's Monsters, Inc. was the same Jobs behind Rip. Mix. Burn. Not even a NYT article covering the hearing seemed to put the two together.

    3. Re:Disney, of all companies by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fortunately for all concerned, Eisner's not running Disney anymore.

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Disney, of all companies by adpowers · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm.... Lost and Desperate Housewives are both ABC products, along with the four other shows being offered online (in addition to the Pixar shorts and music videos).

      Andrew

  53. Car video! Cool! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Cause you know, I get really bored when I'm driving alone, and it would be really great if I had something to WATCH to help pass the time!

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  54. DRM and post-apocalyptic fantasy scenarios by DECS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is an encumbered DVD, with its CSS DRM that you can bypass with DeCSS, different from Apple's AVC (H.264) with FairPlay DRM, which can be similarly bypassed?

    With a DVD, you'd have to rip it, then reencode it into DIVIX or something appropriate for a portable, which takes a LONG time. Apple's solution seems rather smart, and looks like a very natural extension of the iTMS.

    I like options:

    If you want high quality media, you continue buying CDs and DVDs, and rip them yourself at whatever bitrate makes you happy.

    If you want the convenience of an online store (the new "Just for you - Beta" looks pretty cool) and instant access to lots of pop content, you can pay a small fee and download smallish, ready to go files.

    Apple is offering both options to fit the desires of a broad swath of people.

    Compare this to Microsoft's WMP, which sought to kill MP3s entirely, and replace them with locked up WMA files with brutal restrictions, and very limited playback options.

  55. What about my music videos? by endersdouble · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This looks damn cool. But I've seen similar things before--friends have had mp3 players with video screens, and so on, and in all cases, video had to be reencoded to be watched. Is that still true? Because I've got a couple hundred gigabytes of...ahem...perfectly legal video data ripped off DVDs I own as backups...and while it'd be awesome to be able to just seamlessly drop my Scrubs/Buffy/NIN videos onto a new iPod and watch it (2 inch screen isn't great, but better than nothing) if I have to reencode it for a couple hours first, then count me out...

  56. A warning to mac users- QT 7.0.3 by huxrules · · Score: 2, Informative

    When apple came out with Quicktime 7.0.2 many mac users had problems with MATLAB and other programs. I specifically had problems with MATLAB (would crash on start) the fix was to roll back to 7.0.1 using a reinstaller on apple's website. Anyways this new Itunes 6 seems to update to 7.0.3 (thats what is says on my xp box)- I don't know if it will cause problems. Mac users might want to check www.macfixit.com to see if their programs are affected. For myself I am just going to avoid upgrading- as I need to use MATLAB more than I need to watch Lost!

  57. No problem... by mblase · · Score: 2, Informative

    As long as I can put my own videos (e.g. recorded with a TV capture card) on the iPod, this is awesome. If it's for the store only, forget it.

    You can add any digital video to iTunes 6 (and to iTunes 5?), as long as it's Quicktime-playable. Presumably anything you have in iTunes will then sync with your iPod. So yeah, it looks like any video you record yourself can go to your video iPod.

  58. Re:kinda small by pressman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yup! It's lousy for movies and television. However, for getting information on your way to work... much like a news program ornews paper it's great! I run a website called http://www.storypipe.com/StoryPIPE. that is all about short-form narrative and music content. We're hoping that peoples' time constraints and short attention spans will play into this new device.

    We will be setting up a "video blog"... I know I hate the term too, but we will have an RSS feed shortly that will be updated with new content daily that is perfect for your morning commute or a "sanity break".

    I've been going on for months that this device would come out and they kind of hamstringed us by getting it out so early. I'm busy scrambling to re-encode everything to play on it right this very second.

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  59. Re:There. You happy? by nitehorse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, no, no.

    That's not what he asked.

    The iPods may work with the remote, but the question is why can't they act as the remote?

    It's a good question. The iPods are already pretty close to a good remote interface. Add a new main menu item for 'Front Row' and let it control the iMac from there, or something.

    It's definitely an interesting idea.

  60. Re:60GB -- 3 hours of video: Huh? by jeffehobbs · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...mmmm. Batter life.

  61. What the new iPod can play by mblase · · Score: 2, Informative
    For those who care, this is from one of Apple's Quicktime pages at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/creatingv ideo.html -- it follows a short guide about how to use new Quicktime 7.0.3 to export video to an iPod-ready format.

    By following the steps in this tutorial, QuickTime 7 Pro will automatically create an .m4v file containing H.264 video and AAC audio that is optimized for iPod. iPod can play the following video formats:

    H.264 video
    File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
    Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3
    Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio

    MPEG-4 video
    File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
    Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile
    Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
  62. Smart move making video standard by misterpies · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The genius move with the video iPod is that it's not a separate range. From now on, the regular iPod plays video too. That means that millions of people who would have just bought an iPod are now getting a video iPod. Millions will by a video player almost by default.

    Up until now, no-one has managed to shift portable video players because the customer doesn't see a need for them. But some time someone will work out how to make video on the move work, whether it's as a mobile movie library or some watch-on-the-move content. When that time comes, Apple will be in an unassailable position because they will have a virtual stranglehold on the videoplayer market already.

    You have to hand to Steve.

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  63. Re:Finally... Just downloaded Lost... some info.. by Hollinger · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just downloaded Lost. I figured $1.99 was worth seeing the video quality, finding out out the file size, and watching my favorite TV show of the season while I work. ;-)

    The file is indeed 320x240, and for 43 minutes and change, is 197 megabytes. The download took a little time; I'm not sure how much since I forgot to clock it.

    The video is compressed very well. It looks clear and crisp, and the audio sounds great. In fact, I scaled it up to full screen and had a cluster of people watching a few choice scenes (we were trying to identify the manufacturer of the reel-to-reel drives ;-) ). The video is very watchable.

    This will be interesting... I wonder what sorts of bonus material they will include?

    Also, its interesting to note that video is not very well integrated into iTunes (for Windows). For example, when I right-click on the file, it still says "Show Song File." Also, you'd think that Apple, being Apple, would stick my downloaded videos into another folder than "My Music" in "My Documents."

    These are small things. However, these are the things that Apple generally gets right.

    ~ Mike

  64. PornPod? by mlingojones · · Score: 2, Funny

    Strange that at the same time they released a video-capable iPod, they release an iMac with a built-in webcam. It's the ultimate porn combo!

  65. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by vertinox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like it's exactly like the DRM for music, except you can't burn actual DVDs. Until someone posts the workaround next week.

    If it is quicktime video all you have to do is just convert it to an *.m2v or some other MPeg2 format. You can buy a Quicktime codec to do this or use Final Cut Pro. Then you have make a DVD image through some type of program than can ecode a DVD disc. (like DVD Studio) If you actually have paid for DVD Studio Pro you can then burn it to DVD. Otherwise, you can use roxio to burn the image and I think later macs support this nativley...

    However, you can most likely find third party apps to do this all for free because if you actually paid for Final Cut Pro and DVD studio like I did then you out of $2,000 right then and there and just to make DVD out of stuff you download from the net is just not worth that price tag (making your own videos/movies is, but I sometimes wonder why I didn't just buy alcohol instead seeing my creative talent was not that great)

    However it would have just been nice if Apple supports burning to DVDs through iDVD, but I doubt it.

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  66. Just For You by carou · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of the new features just introduced in the iTunes Music Store is "just for you" (beta) - a suggestion service which, given a record of what music purchases you've already made, will list some other albums you might like to try.

    Apple, being Apple, have approached this problem in a different way to the rest of the industry. Where their more pedestrian competitors might offer albums similar to the ones you already own, Apple's groundbreaking system leads me in a much more creative and original direction, offering albums from genres entirely unlike the albums I've bought so far.

    You bought The Shadows, Live at the Paris Olympia. We recommend Basement Jaxx, Kish Kash.

    You bought Vangelis, Heaven & Hell. We recommend Motörhead, Iron Fist.

    I think the internet will soon be abuzz with compliments to this most innovative scheme.

  67. Forced upgrade? by iowannaski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the iTunes 6 readme - "After purchasing music from the iTunes Music Store with iTunes 6, you will also need to upgrade your other computers that purchase music from the iTunes Music Store to iTunes 6"

    Is this something new? I have an old computer running iTunes 4.8, and I'd rather not upgrade unless I find something worth upgrading for. I'd like to give iTunes 6 a spin on my iBook, though.

    Have they upgraded the DRM or something?

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  68. Re:Finally... Just downloaded Lost... some info.. by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing I noted was that I couldn't find a way to get the video to full screen from within iTunes. I opened the file from my paid copy of Quicktime to go full screen.

    Anyway, as you say, the compression is impressive. For 100mb less than what you'll find on bittorrent (albiet not in 16:9) you get the whole program without ads, and also (and this is in my opinion pretty big) no intrusive messages along the bottom or top of the screen placed by the television network. It's one of the most obnoxious and annoying practices on U.S. TV (a network bloated with advertising places MORE advertising along the screen's margins during programming? No thanks.) If you were to download what is basically a TV rip from Bittorrent, these advertisements are unavoidable even if the normal ads are cut.

    The quality looks just as good as what you're likely to find on BT, as is the sound. I even put it on fullscreen on my 23" cinema display, it still looks great. I give this a thumbs up. Not having seen more than a couple epsidoes of the original Lost, I'm tempted by the $34 download of season 1, a little cheaper than the DVD, but no extra features and lower res... Decisions decisions...

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  69. Steve Jobs has addressed the problems. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As I posted 4 days ago, Steve Jobs said in the keynote last year that he had some reasons to not release a video iPod.

    Size -- other poratables are too big.
    Weight -- they also also too heavy.
    Content -- there is no content to put on it. Copyright issues are everywhere!
    Output screens -- they are simply too small for video.

    "So how could that change?" I asked.

    Simple!

    The iPod video is smaller than the previous iPod photo; it is also lighter.

    In terms of content, Steve Jobs has managed to secure a couple of deals to get music videos and TV shows into the iTunes store, and has provided home-grown content in the form of video pod casts. To help facilitate the production of video podcasts, he has included the iSight into every new iMac.

    Watching the video is also as he wanted -- you can watch it on your computer in a unified interface via front row (with remote!), watch it directly on the iPod, or even watch it on a TV-out cable they have for the iPod video.

    I think it also hints at where he'll be going in a few years. Now that you can get a nice H.264 movie trailer on your TV via front row, who's to say you won't be able to buy a complete movide for 6-8$? I'd love to be able to get a high quality, digital movie online. New release movies on DVD are about 20-30$ CAD -- too much for what you get. Hell, I could go to the theatre for less even with watery drink!

    But if I could get movies that just came out for 6-8$ and watch them on my wonderful home theatre, I think I'd do it. I'm not too into 2$ music videos, but 2$ for a TV show isn't too bad. Why should I spend 80-100$ on a DVD box set of a TV show, when I'd much rather have a digital version of it for 20-30$.

    With no manufacturing costs, the content providers get all the money -- no more middle men in China making all the DVDs and shipping them back and forth across the ocean!

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  70. Re:Is it widescreen of fullscreen? by n8_f · · Score: 2

    No, it is 4:3. Another strike against it. Like I said, this is no where near ideal, but I think it is worth checking out and I might support it (i.e., start getting Lost) just so we can get closer to that ideal. The quality isn't great, but it is good enough for now and within a year, if this goes well, we should see some huge shifts in content. Unlike the RIAA, the TV studios have a *huge* incentive to do this. Their shows are already paid for, so this is pure profit for them. And this could be huge for small cable channels that produce their own content. Obviously HBO is a prime candidate, but I think that Comedy Central would make a ton of money with the Daily Show (and perhaps the Colbert Report). I know a bunch of people like me who don't get cable or don't have Comedy Central, but love the Daily Show and beg me to show them any I've downloaded. I would much prefer to download them legally, especially since I could get a few friends to pitch in to defray the costs. This could allow shows that aren't commercially viable in a broadcast or cable environment to get made. This is going to be a huge shift in content creation, because viewers are going to start deciding what gets made, not advertisers. If this were available a couple of years ago, Firefly, the Family Guy, and Futurama would never have gone off the air.

  71. Re:Death of (HD)DVDs/BluRay? by mh101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, as the new iTMS doesn't have any movies on it.

    (yet...)

    What it does have, are music videos, Pixar shorts, and five TV shows, according to Steve's presentation.

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  72. Re:Finally... Just downloaded Lost... some info.. by skiflyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Help me out, because I'm genuinelly curious. For four more dollars you get the DVD with no DRM, which you can rip with free software down to a portable format, which comes on its own physical media in case you ever have to free up some harddrive space, which has all the extras (if you care). So in other words, you spend an extra 4 dollars and you get both versions.

    I don't get why you'd even consider the download. I see the value added in buying tonights episode of Lost if you missed it and want to watch it on the train tomorrow, but once it's out on DVD I'd need a much better price break than 11%... personally I would've expected pay per view kind of prices, 3-5 bucks for a movie, maybe 10 bucks for a season of Lost, I dunno if that would even cover cost of bandwidth, but it's about what it's worth IMO.

    Now, the real nice gadget is the Tivo (or whatever DVR) to IPod dock, so people who already have a DVR can take their TV shows on public transit and airplanes and such without paying again.

  73. Re:Finally... Just downloaded Lost... some info.. by kabz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Double-click to get a separate quicktime window from iTunes, then right-click or ctrl-click on the title bar and click 'full screen'.

    Hey presto, full screen video.

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  74. Re:Finally... Just downloaded Lost... some info.. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, the reason I'd consider it is that it's just so damn convenient. However, I've also considered your points and I agree with you. Buying the DVD is a much better value when all is said and done. (I'm actually going to borrow the first season DVD from a friend. If I find that I can't live without it, I'll buy it.)

    Before downloading the first episode of Lost I'd never even seen it, and I wouldn't have bothered to buy, rent, or borrow it. I've downloaded the second episode on the strength of that, but as I said, I'm going to borrow the DVD. The point is that this is a great way to check out TV shows that I wouldn't watch otherwise and wouldn't go out of my way to watch.

    I normally watch very very little TV; one hour a week for me is a lot. I discontinued my cable last spring. TIVO isn't interesting to me because I don't watch enough TV to warrant owning a PVR (The idea of TIVO is interesting to me however). So, something like this is perfect. even if I never buy a Video iPod.

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  75. Not since Eisner left by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't Pixar decline to renew their contract with Disney?

    Yes, because Jobs and Eisner hated each other (and from what Eisner has done to Disney I'd say he wins the lothesome person award by a mile).

    However Pixar and Disney are talking again because Eisner is gone, as in not even on the board anymore. I'm sure that's what made this deal possible.

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    1. Re:Not since Eisner left by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure that even with Eisner out Disney is gonna have to pony up with a better contract. My understanding of the current one is:

      Disney's responsibility:
      -Loan money to produce movie
      -Distribute movie through established distribution channels

      Disneys reward:
      Keep 50% of revenue

      Pixar's responsibility:
      -Make 100% of the movie
      -Pay 100% of the cost to produce the movie (pay back loan)

      Pixar's reward:
      Keep 50% of what's left

      If I'm misunderstanding this, let me know. But if this is the deal it'll take a lot more than ditching Eisner to put a signature on a contract.

      BTW, as a twist of fate it's interesting to note the roles are reversed for the iTunes venture. Disney makes the content and Apple is distributing it. You gotta wonder if Apple is keeping 50% of revenue for selling a hit show like "Lost".

      TW

  76. Clever by Doyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple have been pretty smart with this new iPod. The old mantra is "no-one wants to watch a movie on a portable player". Might be true - but Apple have sidestepped that issue by selling TV shows, not movies, at launch. TV shows are shorter (less tiring to watch on a small screen, quicker to download) and more profitable (TV shows already make money through advertising - this is just extra cash for them); and they don't compete so directly with DVDs like downloadable movies do (most of these shows will be offered for download before they're even available on DVD).

    Very smart.

  77. Killer App by Iron+Chef+Unix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that the killer app for the new iTunes/iPod is old TV shows. Have you ever wanted to watch an old TV show that isn't on DVD and isn't carried in reruns? There are plenty of shows that have followings, but aren't worth it for the networks to play. So, hire a team to go through your archives and digitize old TV shows and put them on iTunes. Instant revenue off of an already existing product. The hang-ups of course are paying to digitize them and figuring out how to pay all of the residuals to the actors.

    I don't think the cost would be overly excessive, considering that it is a one-time cost. And I'm guessing they have ways of figuring out residuals from their experience putting old shows on DVD.

    Just my 2 cents, but I would be willing to pay $2 for an episode or two of some old shows to watch. Plus, I could take them on the plane with my new video capable iPod.

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  78. Re:Finally... there *are* TV shows available by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Interesting
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