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EU-wide Music Licensing Policies Published
www-xenu-dot-net writes "To stimulate the online music business in Europe,
EU Commissioner Charlie McCreevy is recommending the elimination of territorial restrictions on the licensing and copyright enforcement of online music. Until now, so called licensing collection societies have enjoyed monopolies within their countries. (For online sales, the collecting societies typically charge 12 percent of the retail price today, compared to 9 percent on CDs.) EU Socialist Group leader Martin Schulz has called Mr McCreevy a "loose cannon whose arrogant opinions have provoked anti-EU feeling across Europe." That impression might not change with the new recommendation, as collecting societies in smaller European countries fear that they will lose out to larger rivals, potentially restricting the development of new music."
wow, two links that have nothing to do with the music.
was this item submitted by some random topic generator?
I won't take the obvious route here and say "w00t! fr33 p1r4cY 4 411!"
This is good policy, because if the EU is to be taken seriously as a single bloc trading partner, then it must present a standardized set of laws and regulations so that it isn't just a loosely bound bunch of states. By unifying the law under a single EU regulating entity, they effectively present themselves as one country.
While this may hurt certain groups within the borders of the EU, the EU was never supposed to be about individual states or particular companies. It was meant to unify Europe into a large trading bloc that would rival the U.S. in trading and negotiating power.
This is exactly what the EU should be doing.
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"loose cannon whose arrogant opinions have provoked anti-EU feeling across Europe."
Is the rhetoric usually this colourful in Europe, or is the Socialist just a hipocritical loose cannon?
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Don't worry, there's no way McCreevy is going to be re-elected...
(Which, technically, is true)
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Italy's 'SIAE' group are a bunch of thieving bastards who do much to detriment musical culture in this country.
It cost us something like 150 Euro in taxes just to have a duo play for a few hours at our wedding! To add insult to injury, because our wedding reception was in a different province, we *had to go to the office of these thieving bastards in that province* (open from like 10-12 on certain days) - we couldn't even pay their larcenous fees in our home town.
The taxes are so high that young, aspiring musicians like my wife's brother, who certainly isn't in it for the money at this point in his life, has trouble finding places to play because it's just too expensive in terms of taxes for everyone concerned.
Not only that, but these rats have successfully campaigned to tax the sale of blank CD's, "because they're all used for piracy anyway, right?".
What a bunch of despicable individuals.
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This really must be the summum in desriptive slashdot news. Three factoids that do not resemble to be related to each other...
Is this mister whatshisname a loose cannon because he wants to stimulate online music sales? how does that realte to the markup on the retailprice for online music?
Or has is this guy being paid by the collection societies to say such things? Are they desparate not to loose their monopoly?
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I believe the actual article that this is supposed to be pointing at it here.
I trust him about as far as a 3 year old child could throw him.
> collecting societies in smaller European countries fear
> that they will lose out to larger rivals, potentially
> restricting the development of new music
LOL... "new music" isn't dependent on collection societies. People driven by the desire to make art create 'new music'. Check out Jamendo or the podsafe stuff or Staccato for tons of great stuff outside the 'business'.
In Germany, there is the so-called GEMA (Gesellschaft für musikalische Aufführungs- und mechanische Vervielfältigungsrechte) [society for musicial performance and mechanical reproduction rights], which gets share of the prices on CDRs, music tapes... and the profit on Audio-CDs. The artists get their share of this money, no matter how often they've been copied or wheter it is still legal to copy a certain CD (Germany has made it illegal, not punishable, to circumvent technical copy restrictions...).
The problem is that this society is a) to expensive and b) far to complex for the small musician out on the streets to take advantage of. So, instead of getting money for being heard, he pays money for his own blank CDRs, while Sony etc keep getting the big shares.
On the other hand, that directive is really quite unsatisfacting, as it leaves holes for every big company to establish their own restrictioning system instead of making things easier and more reliable for both, listeners and creators.
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The reason is of cource the same as with music: the copyrightholders want to sell each movie at different prices to each country. But not being able to see TV channels from other countries hinders european intergration more than not being able to by US music in the Netherlands at Spanish prices.
The smaller collection agencies scattered across Europe are for the most part filled to the brim with corruption. This will hopefully put an end to that.
As it is, in the UK the usual price is 99 pence, whereas on the mainland the usual price, so I hear, is 99 euro cents. For US readers, a euro is a little bit more than a dollar, while a pount is a lot more than a dollar.
We're getting ripped off out here, and that's contrary to the whole point of the single market. Nice to see something getting done about it.
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as collecting societies in smaller European countries fear that they will lose out to larger rivals, potentially restricting the development of new music.
Doesn't parse. For all I know, the amount of collected money that goes to new music, i.e. startup bands, young groups, etc. is so small that for all practical purposes you can treat it as being zero.
On the other hand, the amount that stays with the collecting societies to pay for "expanses" and "overhead" is considerable.
Sounds like someone seing his protection racket, uh, sorry, "business model" being washed away, nothing else.
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It sounds like the EU is going through the same problems the the US did when it tried a confederate system. When we figured out it wasn't going so well, we moved to a federal system. This is just another example.
Having a single copyright authority for Europe sounds like a good idea. Smaller countries need to realize that under unified economic policy, they will benifit from the wealth of the larger states more than they will suffer from less power.
The creation and playing of music won't suffer because you don't have your own licensing board, it will suffer if the fees associated with said process are so high that the common man can't afford them.
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If the British collection society should disappear, it would be the death of an old and venerable joke which goes back as least as far as Morecambe and Wise:
Are you from the Performing Rights Society?
Well, tell these musicians they aren't performing right.
It sounded better in black and white...
So, today, we have another piece of legislation -- written by the same arch-conservative people -- that seems to support big european businesses, at the expense of the 'consumers' and smaller EU firms. Big surprise.
As long as the top jobs in the EU are discreetly decided by powerful, rich white people in remote smoke-filled rooms, without any input by European citizens , that type of bullsh*t will continue. Get mad and get involved.
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collecting societies in smaller European countries fear that they will lose out to larger rivals, potentially restricting the development of new music.
... so artists will say "gosh, now that it's so simple for us to figure out how to set up pan-European licensing for our music, we're just going to have to stop making music"?? Where do these people get such wacky ideas?! Artists worldwide really need to start paying for their own, artist-focused lobby ... Too bad most of them are broke, and the ones with money spend it on frivolous nonsense ...
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This is good policy, because if the EU is to be taken seriously as a single bloc trading partner, then it must present a standardized set of laws and regulations so that it isn't just a loosely bound bunch of states. By unifying the law under a single EU regulating entity, they effectively present themselves as one country.
This, I believe, has never been the intent of the "union". The intent was to create a trading community among neighbouring countries in Europe. A sort of friendship, really, to avoid further wars among said countries. Wars that through the years had kept the individual countries from evolving.
While this may hurt certain groups within the borders of the EU, the EU was never supposed to be about individual states or particular companies. It was meant to unify Europe into a large trading bloc that would rival the U.S. in trading and negotiating power.
Maybe with the current globalization and everything, that would seem so. But again, it was never meant to be that way.
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Not every music stream is cut out to become big, not every artist (in any field at all) makes it big. So most people who do art in some way, pay pretty big money to be able to do so, compared to what they earn with their art (in response/respect for it, or cash). It is unfair though that the small artists, and anybody else using their recording devices in a legal (ie: not copyright infringing) way, to have to pay for it. The current charge on recording media, and in some countries devices, is totally ridiculous. It is like just fining everybody for speeding on an average price. For example: Last year 7mln speeding tickets were cited in the Netherlands, there are 7mln cars, so on average one per car, so lets just pay that ahead just in case you are one of those people speeding.
The problems from the music and film industry with copies should be solved by protecting them with a good copyright law, with copying maybe as a punisable crime. The record companies should loose any rights on being able to abuse networks like kazaa to monitor file exchange behaviour (They don't have the rights now to spy on people, but somehow the lawmakers/courtrooms except their intrusion in your privacy), and the lawmakers should use the standard way of looking for petty crime as what they do now in a shopping street: Patrol the music exchanges. Write a citation for not keeping the law (it is stealing as defined by the lawmakers, if opposed start & vote for the newly to be set up no copyright party with only one goal: abolish copyrights).
It is just time to normalize all the copyright issues and bring it under the standard way of business and goverment. The companies should appeal to the goverment to let some police patrol these digital exchanges, just like other people or companies have to do that when there is crime in their neighbourhood. Maybe then people will respect copyrights a bit more, prices will go down a bit on empty media, and small artists have a better chance since they can use stable file sharing networks without having to "worry" about the next network being taken down, and people having problems to find them again.
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You know, when people start to rise up and revolt, death often happends to the oppressors. Now I'm not encouraging this kind of activity, but I'm really surprised something violent and deadly hasn't happened yet!!
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This story is proof that the Slashdot editors don't even bother to read the links of the stories they post.
The linked articles have nothing to do with the subject of the post.
Come on Slashdot editors, wake up!
I know someone who organized a concert of Status Quo. He payed lots of money to the band, and *still* some organization wants to have a certain (high!) percentage of that money to 'pay the artists'. The stupid thing is that the artists were already payed, and the money goes to the Dutch music industry. That's stealing!
When I read the title of this post I thought: "At least it can't get worse!". But I'm afraid I was wrong....
From TFA:
"collecting societies in smaller European countries fear that they will lose out to larger rivals, potentially restricting the development of new music"
That's like KFC claiming that they need protection from McDonalds or it might "potentially restrict the development of new food"
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Milena Gabanelli's Report on Rai3 (one of those transmissions so good you wonder how much time before they get censored) once had 2 hours about SIAE.
Turned out, the tune getting the most money from SIAE in Italy is the background music of Onda Verde (traffic condition broadcast) on radio. If you never heard any music at all, that's because it's so low you cannot hear it. But you are paying for it, of course.
In Rome, there are some "musicians" who daily organise concerts where no one goes, only because they agree with SIAE that they are getting support for "cultural activities". It's basically your average white-collar mafia.
As a lot of things in Italy, thieves with the right contacts pull the strings and get rich doing nothing useful for society. This is the Italian development model after all. If you wondered, no, serious musicians don't get a penny. The 99 Posse said they never saw a penny coming from SIAE, even if they wrote a song,Curre curre guagliò, that is in the soundtrack of Gabriele Salvatores' Sud, that ran a few times on national TV. That might have to do with the fact that 99 are not exacly government-aligned.
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AFAIK, this is already the case. I was under the impression that for the past couple of years the likes of record companies have been able to use collection societies from other EU member states. The whole point was to eliminate the monopolies that organisations like the MCPS/PRS have, and they were getting worried about losing business; I seem to remember one of the majors were going to defect to SABAM (Belgium).
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I'd be quite happy to get an EU-wide system though and I live in one of the countries you mentioned.
In Finland, if a musician want to get royalties on their music, they have to join Teosto. After you join, you waive the right to protect your rights to the organization and thus loose control over your own music. For example, the organization requires artists pay the royalties on their own productions if they want to distribute them for free over then Internet.
I have a couple friends who wanted to put MP3's of a couple songs that didn't make it to a CD to web to promote their new album but they couldn't do it since they would have had to pay Teosto for each download.
Teosto is also incredibly protective of the format in which you've purchased your music and was integral part in getting the new Finnish copyright law through which makes converting protected CD's to MP3 illegal. For non-protected music, they even try to get people to purchase a license to convert old recordings - DJ's are expected to pay 800 EUR / year for the privilege of converting old vinyls to CD's so they could play them in new joints that don't have an old-style record player.
And this is the organization which is supposed to protect the artist's rights! You don't get money if you don't join and if you do, they do a good job trying to protect you from yourself.
With this kind of organizations in control, I'd be happy to get a Europe-wide agency as it can't get _any_ worse than it is now and at least I'd be more likely to get a good selection of music to the local iTunes store.
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First off, this article appears to be a dupe; although the fact that the link poinst to the wrong bill masks that. The earlier story is here, and here is what I had to say at the time.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Am I the only one who read the title wrong and thought it said:
EU-wide Music Listening Policies Published
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A major defecting to SABAM? Meaning a label defecting to a copyright collector? I don't get this at all, but am very intrigued. I hope you don't mind explaining this in more detail to me, would love to know more! Sorry if I'm slow to catch on, I promise I will drink that second cup of coffee before I read your reply :-)
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McCreevy's suggestion seems rational. IMHO EU-wide licencing should apply not only to music, but also movies and other copyrighted entertainment. The ugly truth is that here in Europe online shopping is nonsignificant compared to US. Mr. McCreevy's suggestion could create more business, more jobs and more revenue in entertainment business in EU. And one more thing, as a citizen of a smaller EU country I feel discriminated by Apple because there's not an iTunes store for my country. There should to be only one iTunes webstore for the whole EU - with the possibility of searching the music by country of origin and different languages and currencies, of course.
What does that have to do with anything? If they weren't white - they would NOT be European.
In no way should we give the immigrants that have "arrived" in Europe [the last few decades] any special treatment like the silly Americans do with their *native* minorities. Coloured people in Europe have no rights to special minority status, they made the choice to come and live in our societies.
You've made a good point: the (ultra) left as well as the right of the populace protest against the EU, but for totally (and diametrically oposed) reasons. So it's not easy to know how to go further, if further means 'better', because the ideas for what constitutes 'better' are not the same.
Yet, I think that both sides would rather prefer a directly elected person or group of persons which draw up laws for millions of EU-citizens but without ever having to give any sort of responsability to those same citizens, then a bunch of non-elected and undemocratic bureaucrats, who's main purpose in life is pushing through things *they* want to get through, regardless of what the people themselves want.
But then again, it's all too known that they don't represent the people.
The reason why this particular issue of the EU is not dealt with, is NOT because there is so much difference of opinion about it with the populace - most of them would prefer something chosen democratic, then something that is appointed - but because the politicians in power don't want to lose their power.
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