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Scientists Complete Map of Human Genetic Variation

UltimaGuy writes "A major scientific step in the field of genetics is set to speed up the search for the causes of common illnesses ranging from heart disease and cancer to Alzheimer's and asthma. Scientists have mapped patterns of tiny DNA differences that distinguish one person from another, a step that will speed up the search for genes that promote common illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes."

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  1. If there ever was... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If there ever was a case for computational biology, this is it. :-)

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    1. Re:If there ever was... by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed, these researchers are on the cutting edge of technology. They're pushing today's computing systems to the limit. It is research like this that will truly help drive forward computer hardware. Much like the Apollo project resulted in so much technological spin-off, we're bound to see the same happen with this sort of research, too.

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    2. Re:If there ever was... by espressojim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah. My paper was just accepted to nature genetics, and uses the hapmap as one of the data sets. Interesting that they claim it's finished now, when I had the 5K data back in may...

      Ok, so this is to reflect the nature paper that is just comming out now, where a variation was looked for every 5,000 bases. The new map is 5x as dense (every 1k bases), and was released on the 10-24-05. The new map should provide a lot more resolution for interesting questions.

      Funny, David Altschuler is my former boss, and is one of the heads of the project. Nice guy - and brilliant. I attend his meetings all the time, and he's a fun guy to work with. I'm currently working as the primary computational programmer on another one of his projects...

    3. Re:If there ever was... by peragrin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think this is were being stuck with the obtuse P4 is going to hurt us. We have special processors for Graphics, and now physics. will one day we have a chip designed to speed up the math needed for this.

      Is IBM's cell processors expandable to more than just vector co-processors? Say maybe a GPU, a PPU, and now BPU or two of each?

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  2. Podcast from nature by Oxen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a link to the mp3 of the Nature podcast on this.

    I always think it is ridiculous how these genomic announcements happen. They choose to announce that they have ONE MILLION SNPs with big press release, but this data is available online as soon as its sequenced.

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    1. Re:Podcast from nature by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 3, Informative

      Parent makes an interesting point. Here is a link a website where one can find additional information and even tab-delimited datafiles of SNPs variation and linkage.

      Here is an additional site with even more information and datasets available. I'm going to download these and see what I can find.

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    2. Re:Podcast from nature by clarabellabo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe so but how many people are actually keeping track of this kind of research? I do to a certain extent because I have Usher Syndrome (a genetic condition) but I bet most people don't. I think it's great that they make announcements like this so the masses get to know about it. Maybe this kind of exposure will help more stem cell research to get done someday. If that happened then I might not have to face a future where I'm blind and deaf...and other people with genetic conditions may see cures in their lifetimes too :)

  3. Great by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure how they define "complete", but I bet in 30 years or so, after major discoveries have been made based off this, and all the patents have expired, and I'm dying of old age, this could really lead to some good treatments for a number of rare genetic illnesses, except for those so rare as to make developing a treatment unprofitable.

    1. Re:Great by jrau · · Score: 2, Informative

      Biotech companies get special compensation by the U.S. government to develop treatments for so called "orphan" diseases. They get tax breaks and exclusive market rights if they develop drugs for these conditions, and as a result there are really quite a few advancements in the treatment of rare diseases when it normally wouldn't be monetarily feasible... but of course there are tons of different wierd conditions that people have. Here is a link for the FDA website discussing this: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2003/603_orphan.h tml

  4. Genetic Discrimination by 246o1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This brings us closer to confronting the issue of genetic discrimination on a large scale. IBM made a nice announcementhttp://www.out-law.com/page-6217> that they will avoid this, but there's not much legal protection from genetic profiling in the laws of most countries. Fortunately for those of us not currently in America, health care access in most developed countries won't be affected by this. Unfortunately, for those of us who intend to live in America at some point in the future, health insurance could certainly be affected by this. For example, it's well known that Amish, Ashkenazi Jews, and other groups suffer from certain genetic maladies far above the average. This kind of research will make it possible to pinpoint other groups with risks not yet known, and raise their health insurance costs, avoid hiring them (a la Wal-Mart's recent memo regarding hiring healthy people to cut down on benefits costs), etc. While I don't want to spread too much paranoia on the issue, I think it's very important that we make sure to protect people from genetic discrimination before it becomes widespread and harder to stop.

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    1. Re:Genetic Discrimination by Frogbert · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes if there was only some way that everyone could pay a fixed amount out of their income and have it fund healthcare for everyone. A "public" health system if you will. What an idea!! I've got to patent that asap.

    2. Re:Genetic Discrimination by Trifthen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Naw. We'll just use gene therapy to change the variations in any direction we want. Someday, those Penis Enlargement pills will actually work; unfortunately your spam filter will protect you from this amazing enhancement in medical science. :(

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  5. Patented by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All those tiny little variations they've mapped are either owned, or going to be owned by a company. This is good news, because curing almost any disease will be as simple as opening your checkbook. If you can write a digit followed by 6 zeroes in that checkbook, you're A-OK!

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    1. Re:Patented by lockefire · · Score: 4, Informative

      First of all, most SNPs are free information. dbSNP contains ~5 million validated SNPs and ~27 million reported SNPs in humans. Celera owns a lot of SNP finds, but most are junk (sequencing errors) and they will be giving them to the free databases soon.

      However, the importance of this article has nothing to do with the number of SNPs available or the fact that the SNPs are common (because of the low sample size). The whole point is to have SNPs that exist in ~50% of the population so that the haplotype can be determined. The Haplotype shows which segments of the genome tend to be inherited together. This can be traced back for multiple generations of inheritance - essentially there are ancient haplotypes and more modern haplotypes. The importance of looking at haplotypes is that it allows researchers to see which region an important mutation relating to a disease may occur in. Note that just by knowing which haplotype the disease causing mutation occurs in does not let us know which SNP or insertion/deletion event causes the disease.

    2. Re:Patented by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Funny
      If you can write a digit followed by 6 zeroes in that checkbook, you're A-OK!

      Oh, I could write a check right now and if would cure my Type II diabetes I would. Of course, there's no chance that check would clear the bank, but so what? I'd already be cured!

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  6. Well all I can say is... by Create+an+Account · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hurry up!

    As a survivor of stage I kidney cancer, stage III colon cancer, arthritis, and diabetes I am a little anxious for progress in this field.

  7. They only analyzed DNA of 269 people by backslashdot · · Score: 3, Informative

    so if there are SNP mutations that only have a 1 in 270 or lesser chance of being present ..it's not going to be in their Map. You could be walking around with an SNP they missed cause the mutation happened recently (unique to you or maybe your grandparents etc) or is rare or whatever.

    1. Re:They only analyzed DNA of 269 people by espressojim · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can measure SNPs that are undetected by this method by measuring haplotypes that those rare snps might occur on. Once you see an effect, then you can home in on the causal SNP.

      Something that's interesting about your statement: if you look at a very rare SNP (less than 1%, for example), then you have very little power to see an effect on disease for this SNP. By definition, 99% of your sample size is not contributing power to your study. Thus, you can't statistically find effects unless you have a) massive sample size or b) massive mendelian effects.

      The goal of this data is to study COMMON polymorphisms. That's why it's callled the common variant hypothesis.

      And yes, I do work with these people.

  8. Obligatory... by RavenChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    99.9% of your genes are belong to everyone!

  9. RTFHM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read the friendly Haplotype Map, that is:
    http://www.hapmap.org/.
    You can even browse the project data: Gbrowse

  10. Re:Then what? by temojen · · Score: 2, Informative
    Nature finds a way to keep the population from getting too out-of-control

    No, it doesn't. Organisms that survive create slightly different offspring. Those that survive create slightly different offspring. That some of these organisms create toxic secretions, block airways, kill mucous membranes, etc. is just a side effect of diversity.

  11. Re:AGCT by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

    AAAAGGUATCUCGCUAGCUAUTCGGGCA...GTAC, please step forward!

    Uh... let's see... C...G...A...T... is that "U" a phonetic aid? Otherwise no one will step forward. Oh wait, so THAT's how they caught the undercover martian!

  12. Design...? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, did they find the bit where God signed his name and copyrighted it?

    (c) God, 5800BC
    The author asserts His moral rights over this work.
    Resemblence to all persons in history is expressly intentional.

    For Ethel.

    1. Re:Design...? by Oxen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I saw this cartoon the other day. It is a classified ad on God's computer, with Him pushing the submit button.

      The text reads:
      Designer Wanted
      Full-time position (6 days/week; 24 hours/day). Must be intelligent. Must be able to conceive and manufacture organisms and genetically modify 5000 species a minute. Fabricate evidence of evolutionary adaptation and carelessly cast said product about while transforming living organisms in an increasingly complex and generally miraculous manner. Must be detail oriented and create non-redundant internal networks of varying complexity in species with intriguingly systematic (but actually random) appearance. Proficiency in message encryption highly desirable. Salary to be determined according to evangelistic vigor of followers. Benefits include Medical, Dental, Immortality, Omnipotence, Dissolution of Science as a discipline, Disease, Pestilence, Famine, Destruction of the Earth.

      I think someone at my work made it and posted it up (I work at a research facility), but it is hilarious.

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  13. Genetics & drugs: good news/bad news by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Informative
    Genetic variations affect how people absorb drugs, metabolize drugs, are helped by drugs, or have dangerous reactions to drugs. People can vary more that 10000:1 in the rate of deactivating (or retaining) drugs and drug metabolites. This variation impacts clinic testing and drug approvals. The result is that some promising medications are knocked out by clinical testing when too few people are helped or too many people are hurt. Genetic testing would help determine which drugs work for which people. Already doctors use 3 different drugs for childhood leukemia as determined by a genetic test (the wrong drug can be lethal). Increasing use of genetic testing will have good and bad effects.

    The good news: drug companies might be able to resurrect some failed medications if they can determine which genetic variants are helped by the drug versus being harmed by the drug. Some promising but previously unapproved medications will make it on to the market.

    The bad news: Current drug development focuses on blockbusters. Finding something that millions of people will need to take. This pushes development to help the greatest number of people. If the treatment works for most people (based on genetic screening), there's little reason to develop a cure for genetic minority populations. Genetic orphan populations will be marginalized.

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    1. Re:Genetics & drugs: good news/bad news by amacbride · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're interested in seeing a resource dedicated to exactly this (pharmacogenomics), check out PharmGKB -- we have some interesting pathway diagrams that link individual variations to different drug responses and clinical outcomes.

  14. Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you really think its possible? Technology is one of those things where once the cat is out of the bag, its gone.

    South Korea has already demonstrated that is has no qualms about going into stem cell research while everyone else in the western world throws a hissy fit over it.

    The real question is:

    Why shouldn't insurance companies be allowed to screen their applicants if they can prove that you are genetically inclined towards particular diseases?

    Why shouldn't you abort a child if it will have a debilitating disease, or a one that causes great suffering?

    I think as this continues, the magic topic of race will come up more and more. We already know for a fact that certian races are more prone to certian types of diseases. There is even a heart medication (I believe) that is targeted towards Blacks. How will people react to the mounds of evidence that will continue to build that the races are not indeed equal as they would want to believe?

    Obviously, there are plenty of social concerns and consequences to go around. However, I do not think laws will magically make them disappear.

  15. For what it's worth... by Create+an+Account · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have also: totaled three cars in crashes, been hit by a car while riding a bicycle, cracked my sternum in a freak lawn mowing accident, and overdosed on aspirin when I was 4. I cracked both shoulder blades by falling out of a tree when I was 6, got attacked by monkeys (twice), and I've been hit by lightning.

    I'm 38, and I haven't died yet. I'm pretty sure I'm immortal.

    1. Re:For what it's worth... by shitdrummer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, can't you take a hint... :) Just kidding.

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  16. A Human Geneticist's Point Of View by kid_icarus75 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are so many things incorrectly implied about this finding that it's almost hard to begin:

    1) The headline and idea: "New DNA Map Will Help Find Bad Genes". There are no bad genes. Evolution didn't just come around and place some miscreant gene in your body just to give you a hard time after living off a diet of pizza and Mt. Dew for ten years. Every gene has its own function. Genetic research is based more upon finding which variation of a gene is more beneficial to an individual and how to change/block the non-beneficial variations. Genes are either more or less successful, but definitely (minus the case or rare genetic diseases) not evil or bad.

    2) "The project analyzed DNA samples from 269 people from Nigeria, Beijing, Tokyo and Utah." Well, this would be fine if everyone was of a direct Nigeria, Beijing, Tokyo or Utah decent similar to the test subjects. As for real world population, they probably contain mutations not near those found in any of these people. A native american, a man from agentina, and a guy from India I guarantee you would have completely different results. And that's assuming pure-bread people. Where would someone like Tiger Woods fit in? As an interesting side note, why do you think they picked Utah? Could it be that one of the principal investigators of the study is Mormon and thought it might be nice to bring government funds to his own people? I think that most of us can agree that politics and science rarely mix to give good results...

    3) 269 People? You're telling me that out of 3 billion DNA basepairs, we can find all the parts that have changed over the last few hundred thousand (and more) years in only 269 people?

    4) "This clustering greatly simplifies the task of analyzing what variations a person carries, because not all of them have to be identified." and "A person with one particular version of a SNP is highly likely to carry particular versions of other SNPs as well." When you begin to think about the error rates contained in "highly likely" and then start to cluster those rates togeter, your model falls apart.

    Basically, from my own experience of working with data of thousands of whites, blacks, both male and female, the rates at which certain areas of DNA are linked vary directly upon the strata one looks at and the number of individuals in that strata. This project is a neat theorhetical idea, but until we can sequence the entire genomes of thousands of people overnight for a small fee, there is not enough realy data to really do anything with.

    1. Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View by bullitB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are no bad genes. Evolution didn't just come around and place some miscreant gene in your body just to give you a hard time after living off a diet of pizza and Mt. Dew for ten years. Every gene has its own function.

      While it may sound like falling into the pathetic fallacy to call a gene "bad," there are many traits which are almost certainly highly genetically dependent that most people would rather not have. Not just rare "genetic disorders," either. Is there really any function for myopia, for instance? What about colorblindness? Both of these conditions are very common and almost certainly very genetically-influenced. Given a choice, no one would want to be born knowing they'll need eye correction at some point in their life. Can't we just agree that genes which cause this kind of condition are bad?

    2. Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View by espressojim · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suggest that you
      a) Read the paper.
      b) Read the followup papers that also discuss in more detail how to use this data to perform analysis.

      Q#2: If you're interested in how well this data transfers over to people from other populations, then read the "tag transfer" paper, which should be out in a month or so. Paul de Bakker will have a paper comming out that studies how to apply this data to other populations. The quick summary: you can use this data for other populations. By studying groups like Yoruba (african) populations, you're capturing the most human variation that we all derive from. After the population bottleneck (40,000 years ago), we split into multiple groups, so we included european descent (utah, it's complicated, it's mormons), and chinese and japanese samples. That gets MOST variation.

      The new hapmap has already been release at 5x the density.

      #3 See answer #2, but yes, you can find MOST of the variation. With the current map, you can indirectly measure 90% of variation in humans. See a paper by Itsik Pe'er for more information.

      #4 No. When you have highly correlated R^2 values, and you have more than one, you can predict things. You also probably don't understand how mutations are organised on haplotypes, and how these ancestral chuncks of DNA essentially keep the same set of bases together. Yes, these haplotypes are broken down over time (the african ones are smaller than the european ones, again because the effective population size is smaller in europe and because of the bottleneck event), but still allow for prediction.

      I gotta wonder who you work for...I spend a fair amount of my time at the Broad, where most of this research has gone on, so I might have quite a bit more insight into it than outsiders (having seen the work as it was developed, having talked to the researches, etc.)

    3. Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View by espressojim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do yourself a favor and look at David Reich's papers on Admixture mapping. That might be what you're referring to, or it might not. I'd agree with you that there's a lot of population structure (and substructure!) that most studies don't take into account.

      You can use that (admixture mapping), or you can try to reduce that.

      By the way, those 80-1000 SNP models are becomming very old school (if you're using a candidate gene approach, the one thing we know about candidate gene approaches is that we're horrible about picking the right genes.) We're starting to get data back on our Affy 500,000 SNP chips (actually 2 250K chips) done across thousands of individuals. The real problem is processing all that data...but the next year or so is going to be VERY exciting for a bunch of different initiatives like diabetes (type II), bipolar disorder, etc.

  17. We are not trying to trick nature. by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nature doesn't have goals to be tricked out of. Nature doesn't have beliefs to be fooled out of believing.

    Coordinators

    Abh

  18. Stop. by mctk · · Score: 2, Funny

    You had me at "freak lawn mowing accident."

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  19. Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first two are obviously evil, but the third is perhaps the most terrifying.

    The third is the start of real genetic engineering - imagine upgrading your kid's immune system to dropkick any nasty bug you care to mention without immunizations. You could also do stuff like extend middle age to 120 or so, or bring metabolism under concious control - weight loss is a matter of wanting to burn more calories.

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  20. So what about my kids? by schattenteufel · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...assuming I ever MAKE any kids, will they be able to figure out why I was born with 12 toes & zap that, so it doesn't get passed on?

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  21. Re:Then what? by shmlco · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Take antibiotics, for example. They were supposed to be able to cure so many things... but the viruses and bacteria learn to get around them."

    I'd perhaps pay more attention to your concerns if you appeared to know more about the subject. An antibiotic is a drug that kills or slows the growth of bacteria. It has no effect on viral agents.

    As such, a virus doesn't "learn" to get around them.

    And THAT being the case, your comments strike me as little more than the semi-modern version of that hoary cry, "There are things man was never meant to know."

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  22. Re:Then what? by Joe+Random · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...we're going to be playing God at every turn.
    Every time humanity does something that was once impossible, someone has to comment that we're "playing god". But genetic engineering makes us no more or less guilty of that than, say, animal husbandry. Same concept, different mechanism.
    Take antibiotics, for example. They were supposed to be able to cure so many things... but the viruses and bacteria learn to get around them.
    Antibiotics don't work on viruses in the first place. Never did. And bacteria don't "learn" to get around them so much as our misuse of antibiotics kills the susceptible bacteria and leaves the resistant ones to multiply, so that the next time the antibiotic is less effective. Not that the resistant bacteria are some sort of "super bugs" or anything. They just happen to be resistant to one specific method that was used to kill them. Evolution at its finest.
  23. Can you cure my color blindness? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As of 2001 the location of the genes that causes Red/Green color blindness had not been located. We know that at least one of them is located on the X chromosome, but no idea where. In 1997 the gene that causes Achromatopsia, the complete inability to distinguish color, was located on chromosome 2 but this is the rarest form of color blindness. But say I had Achromatopsia, or that we located the gene for Red/Green color blindness, is there any hope of a cure? If you were to extract some of my stem cells, do some gene therapy on them, inject them into my eye and then flash my retina with a bright light would it grow back with a greater capability to distinguish color?

    I know it's more sexy to cure debilitating genetic diseases but there's a lot more people out there with color blindness than there are people with hemophilia. Surely economies of scale dictate that we should get the first shot at a cure.

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  24. Re:Then what? by metallichica · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Wow... bring up a simple point/comment, and get downed for trolling... thought this was a place to learn new things, but apparently if you're not already well-informed, you get trashed.

    Perhaps I look like I'm playing devil's advocate or something, but that really wasn't my intention. As it is, I really do wonder, though - won't all this just go to the people who can afford it? And aren't they the ones who can already afford the costs of getting cured already?

    Thanks for playing, Metallichica.

    ;)

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  25. No rare alleles in data by John+Hawks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the HapMap is basically useless for "rare" genetic variants, because it intentionally is screening for common ones. Hence, it may actually be useful for common susceptibility alleles for heart disease or stroke but it isn't going to find the rare variants that affect only a few people.

    From my weblog:

    The HapMap is an incredible step forward in characterizing human genetic variation. It's a challenging dataset to work with, though. It's like an old map showing continent margins and little else -- we can see many of the common SNPs, but for most we have no idea which ones are functional or what they might do.
    --John
  26. Roads travelled by Ksisanth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite a few roads to hell have been paved by eugenicists, so it shouldn't be surprising that many people now hesitate walking on paths that intersect them, knowing full well that there will always be people willing to turn at that intersection and follow in those footsteps, perhaps without even noticing.

    The "real question[s]" you point to look more like pamphlet questions to me--the easy, obvious questions that guide the reader to predetermined conclusions. Then the segue into "the magic topic of race". A couple of statements of "fact" to get the nod of agreement, and then,

    "How will people react to the mounds of evidence that will continue to build that the races are not indeed equal as they would want to believe?"

    Hello! How easy is that jump from issues of medicine to issues of sociopolitical philosophy?

  27. Re:Then what? by Ksisanth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the point is that people living with these diseases would like to have cures. Maybe they just want a shot at living a normal life and an average lifespan. There are no guarantees for anyone, but having a fighting chance is nice.

  28. Re:Then what? by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wouldn't this sort of thing almost be a sort of cosmetic surgery in the end though?

    Let me give you a couple of examples of what it is already doing. I have a dear friend with an inoperable brain tumor. It turns out this particular form of tumor has genetic markers that are strongly correlated with its response to chemotherapy. After a biopsy of the tumor they can run genetic tests and give you a much clearer picture of whether chemotherapy is likely to be effective or not. As you doubtless know, chemotherapy is no picnic, so it is a hard, hard decision figuring out whether you should undertake a treatment that may extend your life 5 years, or simply screw up the the last three months you have. Tools like this genetic analysis help a bit.

    On the absolute cutting edge of genetic therapy, doctors in France treated several children who had no immune system (bubble boy disease in popular parlance) due to a genetic defect. They were able use viruses to transfer a correctly functioning copy of the broken gene into the children's bone marrow. All of the children developed fully functioning immune systems. Unfortunately three of the children developed leukemia and one died. Certainly here is an example of the unforeseen consequences you are worried about, but what do you do in the face of a lethal disease like this?

    Do these sound like cosmetic surgery?

    I think it's great if we can avoid the problems, but I foresee it being used (at least in the beginning) by only the people who can afford to have it done.

    How is this different from any form of medical care now in existence? Across the world, even in countries with socialized medicine, the wealthy can get better health care then the poor. If you are going to wait to develop medical treatments until this inequity can be solved, you are going to wait a very long time.

    And, it's sad that people DON'T volunteer more time and energy to help those in need. We seem to be moving into a time where people are becoming more selfish even though they have more than they need.

    But again I ask, what is your moral standing to make this criticism? How much of your time and treasure have you given? You could cancel your cell phone this very week, send the money to Doctor's Without Borders, and they might save several lives with the supplies that it buys. Are you going to do it? I don't mean to pick specifically on you here. I have a cell phone, and unfortunately I am not going to cancel it and give the proceeds to a worthy cause. I'm just trying to make the point the people are sometimes too quick to demand charity and sacrifice in others while not offering it themselves.
  29. Another article on mapping genes... by Lord+Satri · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's another study regarding mapping genes. There's a lot of research being done and it is being more and more interdisciplinary, which is a good thing if you want a big picture to find clues and solutions.

    GeoPlace reports a story on project METAFUNCTIONS from Informationsdienst Wissenschaft about mapping environmental clues to decipher the function of genes. "Another innovative aspect of this project [METAFUNCTIONS] is the use of geographic information systems (GIS). GIS tools provide for the simulation and analysis of events from a geographical or spatial perspective. Novel patterns - for example, the physical clustering of genes within a genome - will be correlated to the contextual habitat data."

  30. Don't think it'll work by DG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've actually got most of a short story written around a similar concept, but in my case (and I think in the real world too) such a thing would never work.

    The reason being is that the concept of "ethnicity" is more tribial/social/religious than it is genetic.

    I'm willing to bet that there is no set of genes that uniquely identifies a given ethnicity *right now*, and that as time goes forward, the probability of discovering a set of genes that identifies "most" of the population of a given ethnicity is steadily dropping, due to population intermingling and interbreeding.

    DG

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