New Technology Could Kill WiMax?
GolygyddMax writes "Techworld reports that a Florida-based start-up, xG, has developed a technology that's a 1000 times more efficient than WiMax and which could, in theory, lead to wireless LANs being powered by watch batteries. It is still in early development, but this technology could allow anyone to set up as an ISP. This could kill WiMax before it even gets off the ground." From the article: "At the demonstration with other reporters, we were able to verify that the signals were being sent wirelessly, and checked the distance by GPS, but had to take the 50mW base station - and its omnidirectional antenna - on trust, since it was at the top of an 850ft mast. The demonstration will be repeated for the US press next week. The system carried 7.4 Mbit/s per MHz per Watt, said Professor Schwartz. By comparison, GSM would have around 0.0058, and CDMA/EV-DO about 0.0085 Mbit/s per MHz per Watt. "
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Since a system like this working with IPv6 could potentially eliminate the need for telecom/cell service providers (since the power reqs are low, it won't be a problem for people to relay each others communications and act as peer to peer links ..using any of the already existing relay reward based schemes).. I could see how cell phone companies would want this technology neutralized.
I am not a radio engineer, but here's what I read from "7.4Mbit/s per MHz per Watt." "At one watt, we can cram 7.4 bits into one cycle of a sine wave. At two watts, we can fit 14.8 bits into one cycle of a sine wave, and so on."
How does that work?
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Three orders of magnitude better than GSM or EVDO? There is no way this is true. What a load of bul^H^H^H marketing!
wait, WiMAX was alive in the first place? Either I'm actually living under a rock, or I haven't seen any significant real deployments of the technology outside of pilot programs. So from where I sit, WiMAX can't be killed, because it's not alive.
They need to sign a contract with a large transportation provider in Europe and Japan, so as to provide this service on all buses, trains and other public transport vehicles. That would give people the incentive needed to purchase the hardware necessary to take advantage of this new system.
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Yeah, an immersive internet would be awesome... but this thing still has some issues to be resolved.
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Lots more details in this article, and photo's here. Looks very interesting.
It is still in early development...
I have a technology that's ten times better than this one, although it is in very early stages of development...
No technology company should make extravagant claims about the capabilities of their product until they have a genuine, working demo.
There are two primary stumbling blocks before it will take over WiMax:
1) It actually does what the article says
2) It isn't bound up the ass by patents and doesn't require hefty fees to implement.
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There had been some discussion here in the past about using cell phones as network relays as well as end-points to increase range and reach, but one of the conclusions was that having cell phones constantly retransmitting data would run down the batteries too quickly. This technology might change the equation, making it possible to have an ad-hoc networking system shuttling data between portable devices rather than needing a lot of infrastructure.
The reality of the situation is that if the new solution is exactly what it's sold to be (unlikely) then it probably will eventually break into the market, but even if it's made into a useable product immediately its use will be overshadowed by the well advertised and enthusiastically sold solution that the vendors are pushing instead. Vendors really don't care what's superior unless they're picking technologies from a menu and they have no interest in any of them (positive or negative). Vendors care about money, and if they've already spent some on one technology, they won't switch unless it's obvious that another technology will immediately dominate the market (VERY, VERY rarely does this happen).
Take off the rose colored glasses, people. Technically superior solutions MAY eventually win out over poorer ones if all else is equal, but all else NEVER is equal.
Plus, it's unlikely that this "breakthrough" is anything but some ambitious people trying to sell something inferior as if it's the solution to All Our Problems (tm).
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This would probably one of the few Florida-based start-ups that didn't involve spam or real estate fraud. Maybe it is a breakthough in spam transmission!
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Usually different modulation schemes are used tailored to the needs of he environment.
For example... your cable modem will most likely use QAM (Quadrature Amplitude
Modulation) because it doesn't have to expect a lot of interference on the
media. Your digital satellite feed and 802.16 Wimax use QPSK (Quadrature Phase Shift Keying)
because noise does not nearly affect carrier phase as much as the amplitude. None of
the modulation schemes today transmit information on the basis of a single cycle. A QPSK
transmitter will transmit thousands of cycles on one phase and then shift (if need be)
for the next symbol and send out thousands of cycles with that phase. Most textbooks
show just a handful of cycles in example graphs, which gives people the wrong impression.
In all cases this is done simply to reduce the error rate. As far as I can see a hell of a lot of math and thus computing power has to go into their receiver to get a decent rate unless you are just a few feet away from the transmitter.
Will this kill IEEE 802.16 ("WiMAX")...? No... not really. If really viable (and not the
usual crap hype) it will probably in a couple of years end up as an additional PHY.
More likely however, even though there is still a lot we could squeeze out of 1MHz of spectrum: it is hype but hey... surprise me...
Cool! So we get these little transmitter-thingies that are super-efficient and then implant them and run them off of our own bio-electrical energy... then we just all plug in to each other!
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That xMax technology is patented etc. It uses a low power signal to orchestrate the use of very low power signals in what is 'normally' the noise bands adjacent to the desired signal. That is to say, it uses multiple frequencies, but at such low power it only looks like noise. It is both clever and capable. The real trouble is that it
1 - is owned by a single vendor,
2 - has yet to be approved by the FCC,
3 - still needs to pass more testing stages before anyone will dare use it.
Even though it is a sound technology, it does something that other tech has not been allowed to do: use adjacent spectrum that is not licensed to the operator. There are significant hurdles to this technology being used.
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The transmitter just happened to be atop an 850 foot mast so the reporter had to take the power and antenna descriptions on trust? Come on. They could've put KABC up there and no-one would be the wiser. I won't believe a word of it until they actually show actual hardware transmitting actual bits. Until then it's a press release.
What they are actually saying is that it takes xwatts to transmit 7.4mbit/s over 900mhz. If you divide x by 900, then divide the transfer rate by that, and play with the numbers a bit you wind up with the "value" of 1 watt. Its usefully for compairing efficiencies, but it doesn't imply that you can simply increase the wattage to gain frequency or transfer speed. Its a formula that describes a senerio, not defines it.
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Also, consider the black-box demo - so typical of snake oil these days. If it was an actual, novel system, you'd probably have a custom board with a pile of FPGAs and such in there. No amount of staring at it would tell you anything significant about how it works. On the other hand, if it's a commercial WiFi board with 'Netgear' plastered all over it, it's going to be pretty obvious. So what are they hiding?
From the marketing blurb: "by combining advanced technologies"... aha! I knew it! I can return to the future now, Looks like I found my ship!!
20050008087 Tri-state integer cycle modulation
The invention disclosed in this application uses a method of modulation named Tri-State Integer Cycle Modulation (TICM) wherein a carrier signal, comprised of a continuum of sine waves is modulated such that spectrum utilization is minimal. A modulation event is imposed upon the carrier signal by modifying the carrier frequency at precisely the zero crossing point or the zero degree angle. The method of imposing the modulation event is by increasing the frequency of the carrier for one or an integer number of wavelets then lowering the frequency of the carrier for one or the same integer number of wavelets then returning to the carrier frequency to derive the modulation event. The main carrier frequency is only modulated beginning at the zero degree phase angle and ending at the 360-degree phase angle.
20050007447 Modulation compression method for the radio frequency transmission of high speed data
20040196910 Integer cycle frequency hopping modulation for the radio frequency transmission of high speed data
"At this stage, with patents pending, the technology behind this is very much under wraps, and was literally present at the demonstration in a 'black box.'"
Wait... I've heard this one before. Recently. $10 says there's a midget with a chess set inside that box.
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By comparison, GSM would have around 0.0058, and CDMA/EV-DO about 0.0085 Mbit/s per MHz per Watt.
In a world where CDMA EV-DO with Turbo Coding comes within 1-2dB of the Shannon Limit, xG claims their system is 1000x (60dB) better. Perhaps they are modulating the tachyon-neutrino field? Ensign, Crusher... evasive maneuvers!
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Overcoming the moving target problem solves the remote population problem.
Packets are stored on a bus, car, truck, plane, whatever that's leaving the remote area and offloaded as soon as the next connected population is encountered (duplicates on other cars, etc are discarded as soon as recognized). Responses are likewise loaded on the next available transports and offloaded at the destination as they arrive.
Finally, a world useable example of that "tape loaded station wagon" situation.
Of course, if these could be powered by watch batteries then they'd surely be powerable by a solar cell.
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If everyone is an ISP, who will be the subscribers?
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Joe Bobier is behind this technology, and it's not his first time of trumping up "new" ideas.
His last venture was to "revolutionize" wireless networks by "inventing" Wireless to home users. He did this in Parkersburg WV using Wirefire Internet Service. It worked moderately well, though line of sight transmissions caused a problem, since the system required bulky exterior antennas, and trees blocked signal nearly universally. He claimed to have invented the system, even though the equipment was actually off the shelf Breezecom cards and radios talking to APs housed on terrestrial based radio and water towers.
Before Megafire (as it was known) failed, he convinced a Sarasota company iDigi to buy it. iDigi was owned in part by the Mooers company, referenced in the article. They funded the creation of a company named Island Labs, who's sole purpose was the create wireless that worked.
Joe is a smart guy, but he takes too much credit for things he didn't do. This may be another of those cases. I have heard of another technology very similar to this that didn't work either. I'm going to try to find it. If I do, it will be a reply to this post.
I thought it sounded like Very Minimal Shift Keying (VMSK), then I saw this at VMSK.org:
"XG technologies goes on the air with their method in November from an 800 foot tower..."
More info on VMSK here and here. The first paper states "no ultra narrowband modulation method, which includes VMSK and VPSK, can have substantially greater efficiency than conventional methods, such as QAM, in transmission in the same frequency band".
My lecturers teach me one thing. Whenever something new comes out that seems to be so fantastic as to be miraculous ask one question
Whats the catch?
I'm doing engineering and i'm alway wary about such claims
where else/how much have they tested it?
How much does weather affect its operation?
How much will it cost?
Of course. i'm not saying that they are lying, they have achieved an engineering marvel that can only change things for the better. can you imagine how useful this would be in the developing world and rural areas where bandwidth is expensive or non-existent
I am a radio engineer...
well, not professionally but I know what it is about.
Digital transmission works as follows: you select a certain waveform out of a set and transmit it. At the receiver you try to figure out which one it was. Unfortunately the reception is distorted because of noise you pick up, such that the distinction is not perfect (e.g. in case you can reliably tell 8 possible waveforms apart three bits will be conveyed each time you do this). Using more power will lead to a better distinction and therefore higher bit rate. Using a larger (RF) band width allows you to send more waveforms per second hence also increasing the number of bits transferred (this is simplified somewhat).
Shannon left us a nice formula to calculate the capacity aka maximum possible throughput EVER, but first you need to calculate the signal and noise power you receive.
1) If we assume the waves travel in free space, the received signal power will be dependent on
- transmit power
- transmit antenna gain (dish is more focused than dipole etc.)
- free space loss (FSL, i.e. field strength getting weaker far from the source because the energy is spread out in all directions)
- receive antenna gain
This is an optimistic assumption because their setup takes place in suburban territory!
We can assume both the antenna gains are 0dB, being small and probably not perfectly matched.
The FSL is equal to: R^2*4pi^2/lambda^2 (R=distance, lambda=wavelength)
At 900 MHz lambda=0.33m, R=18 miles=29e3 m.
FSL= 3e11(in 'power') or 115dB.
The transmit power was 50mW, i.e.17dBm, the total received power will be 17-115=-98 dBm. The thermic background noise is equal to -173dBm/Hz (best case, due to ambient temparature - this is a bit optimistic too because other wireless devices are transmitting there too).
2) The channel capacity is given by Shannon as C=B*log2(1+S/N), where C=capacity (bits/sec), B=bandwidth (physical, in Hz), S=signal power (-98dBm), N=noise power (-173dBm/Hz*B).
You can now play with the bandwidth to influence the capacity. To a certain extent an increased bandwidth will increase the capacity but after a while you are just catching more noise while the signal will be spread out in frequency, so this saturates.
For these numbers the (theoretical) maximum capacity would be about 4.5e7 bits/sec or 45MB/sec. But even to achieve the 3.7Mb mentioned you already need a bandwidth of 700kHz (rough estimate, I made a plot in matlab).
At that point you transmit 3.7Mb/(50mW)/(0.7Mhz)=100Mb/s/W/MHz, so their figure of 7.4 MB/2/W/MHz is not impossible. However it will be difficult to achieve. We have made some assumptions (especially about the loss in the urban envorinment), and their bit rate only has a 'margin' of a factor 12 (45 to 3.7). There you have it.
Same here. My RV has been "up-armored" for my upcoming vacation in Iraq. The unfortunate side effect has been the blockage of wi-fi signals when war-driving. Ironicly getting a vehicle ready to war-drive in a war-zone has reduced my ability to war-drive.
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So from where I sit, WiMAX can't be killed, because it's not alive.
WiMAX is simply a term used to denote appliances which have been certified by the WiMAX Forum
From their FAQ:
"The WiMAX Forum is an organization of leading operators and communications component and equipment companies. The WiMAX Forum's charter is to promote and certify the compatibility and interoperability of broadband wireless access equipment that conforms to the Institute for Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) 802.16 and ETSI HiperMAN standards"
They have started testing loads of equipment from various manufacturers, as part of their "certification" process. These products should have been certified before the end of the year. Here are some examples:
Siemens "WayMax"
Alvarion BreezeMax
WiMAX is very much alive.
Phil Karn debunked the claims about VMSK here:
.. .the same as BPSK.
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... it will get better performance, but at the cost of requiring knowledege of where the base station is located relative to the mobile unit. Also, if the technology is what I have guessed, it will be easily copied if the market finds it to have great value, of which I am dubious. I could be wrong about all of this, but it would be interesting to see more technical information rather than a few plots and a dog-and-pony show. Appeals to authority fail to be very convincing when you are talking about claims in a field with well-known laws limiting performance.
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I AM a radio engineer, and I am extremely dubious about some of the claims in the article/website/etc. The thin line on the spectrum analyzer looks alot more like a sine wave than a system that "modifies each cycle of the sine wave". Others have pointed out that this is another way of stating the essence of phase/frequency modulation, a very old modulation technique.
On the xG website there is a press release that has some tortured details:
http://www.xgtechnology.com/newsitem.asp?id=21
"xG's Flash Signal technology, which utilizes single-cycle waveforms to transmit information at a minimum effective rate of 1 MB/s for each megahertz of spectrum"
Well, to me, you take away the "megas" and you get 1 bit/sec/Hz for the spectral efficiency
The only important technical point I can find in the article is this one:
"Moreover, because the receiver -- the design of which is xG's most-guarded intellectual property -- includes a passive wavelet path filter that acknowledges only single-cycle waveforms, all other RF signals are ignored."
My guess is that he has an antenna/feedline scheme that cancels signals that cross correlate with a 1 cycle delayed version of themselves. Most likely, he does this by using two antennas and a bit more coax (at a particular design frequency) on one antenna to cancel any signals that are coherent with themselves for some integration time. This is not a particularly new or cleaver idea, but I suppose you could use it with the modulation scheme to increase the SNR of the signal (assuming of course that most signals are not like yours).
Also, if this is the case, then the geometry of the antenna array relative to the transmitter will be important, because at the wavelength used (900 Mhz) the configuration of the antennas will yeild different phases depending on how they are aligned relative to the transmitter. I take further proof of this in the zdnet article which describes the signal as degrading when the antenna is pointed away from the transmitter. (near the end)
ZDNet UK saw that the bitstream vanished when the receiving antenna was moved out of alignment with the distant transmitter
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/wireless/0
This scheme will yield better performance, that is.. until everyone is using it. If there are many signals that are not coherent with themselves over the integration time of the circuit, then the supposed advantages in terms of interference rejection will disappear.
In summary, if everything is as I have guessed, this technology is about the same as using a better antenna for a regular wifi system