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Preview Of The $100 Laptop

cynical writes "Harvard's Ethan Zuckerman, founder of GeekCorps and Global Voices, got a chance last week to drop in on Nicholas Negroponte and get a preview of the $100 laptop Negroponte has designed for students in the developing world. Zuckerman talks about both its hardware and the One Laptop Per Child project, and asks the readers for suggestions for innovative ways the $100 laptop can be used." From the article: "The mockup I saw was about the size of a large paperback book. There's a stiff rubber gasket around the edge of the machine, which can double as a stand. The keyboard on the mockup was detachable, but will probably fold out on a hinge ... Two trackballs, surrounded by four way buttons, on each side of the screen act as controls, and function keys on the back act as additional buttons.)" We've previously reported on this device here on Slashdot.

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  1. Has this already been obsoleted by cellphones? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has this laptop already been rendered obsolete by cellphones?

    Just look at the kind of information people are sending and retrieving from these low-power, sub-$100 devices already...

    1. Re:Has this already been obsoleted by cellphones? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      sub-$100 devices already

      Most cell phones are not really sub-$100 devices. Their true cost of a web-enabled phone is often well over $100, but the true cost is hidden somewhere in the 1 to 2 year contract with the provider.

      Plus, the interface on a Computer is superior then the interface on a mobile phone for many tasks.

    2. Re:Has this already been obsoleted by cellphones? by Senes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cellular phones require a lot of expensive infrastructure and service. A fully self-contained computer would be a lot more suitable for bringing technology into the developing world; think of it like the difference between giving someone one free month of subscription-based software and giving them a working copy on CD that they can use as long as they want.

  2. Draw the line by jacem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where do we draw the line between a very small laptop and a large PDA. The price point is good for a PDA especially if you add the price of a detachable keyboard but really what is the point.

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  3. $100 per child? by Ossifer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What educationally useful things will the child do with the laptop?

    As an ex-CS college professor, let me suggest that it would be better to spend that $100 on the developing world on more teachers, education for teachers, roof for schools, etc.

    Technology is not the answer to every problem. Remember all those silly computer labs back in high schools in the '80s? Did anyone get any real educational value out of them?

    1. Re:$100 per child? by nb+caffeine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell yeah there was, I now know the best way to take a waggon all the way across the country without gettin dystentary!

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    2. Re:$100 per child? by Iriel · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Remember all those silly computer labs back in high schools in the '80s? Did anyone get any real educational value out of them?

      Of course they did! Some of them learning to crack the school network, going to on to becoming the legendary uber-hackers, eventually being hired by computer security firms!</completeanduttersatire>

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    3. Re:$100 per child? by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Technology is not the answer to every problem. Remember all those silly computer labs back in high schools in the '80s? Did anyone get any real educational value out of them

      Are you forgetting the huge information boom of the 90's and now the 00's?

    4. Re:$100 per child? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Remember all those silly computer labs back in high schools in the '80s? Did anyone get any real educational value out of them?

      I did- classes in just such a lab were my first introduction to Assembly Language and the PROPER use of spaghetti code (in miniassemblers, spaghetti code is useful because it allows you to edit your program directly in memory. So useful that indeed it's valueable to put in three NOPS after every 5th instruction so that if you need to you can insert a JSR later).

      I'm sure it didn't help for the majority of students- but for the few who would otherwise be spending their time being beat up by jocks, it was a godsend.

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    5. Re:$100 per child? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Did anyone get any real educational value out of them?

      I did-- I had an Apple IIe in my 5th & 6th grade classrooms, and I did some programming in Basic & Logo on the system, learned some basic hardware skills.

      I tucked those skills away for 10-15 years, but I still think that they helped me to solve logic problems, basic computer hardware skills. I majored in science/humanities major in College, but somehow I still ended up being a Senior System Administrator for a number of companies.

      Another way to ask this question: Will the students be at a disadvantage if they do not have tools like a Computer in the classroom?

      Obviously they need a roof, teacher, books, etc. But other tools can be valuable as well.

    6. Re:$100 per child? by sedyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My local school board is forbidding all forms of programming (this even includes stuff like flash) to be taught to high school students.

      So I don't think anyone will get any real educational value out of them now (they will be teaching word processing, spreadsheets, typing, etc. You know stuff that any 13 year old can figure out).

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    7. Re:$100 per child? by rctay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an ex-public school teacher that ran a lab full of Apple lle's, I can honestly say very little. There was almost zero funding after the initial equipment purchase for maintenance and upgrades. Almost every teacher at the school were technophobes, and only planned class sessions in the lab to have a free period off. After four years the lab was scrapped and the computers was placed in the classrooms to gather dust. A few kids learned a few lines of basic for display tricks. The technology was just pushed too soon to inexperienced administrators.

    8. Re:$100 per child? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful
      While I agree that thoughtlessly throwing computers at kids doesn't provide much value, I wouldn't say they're necessarily useless. First of all, it seems to me that there may be value in electronic text books. Kids would have less to carry (laptops are heavy, but not as bad as a couple text books), text books could provide multimedia, interactive activities, and tests, and they might be cheaper, all things considered (especially so if we get some decent open-source text books. Does anyone know if there are gratis electronic text-books?)

      Beyond that, the fact is computers are becoming a part of our daily lives, and a certain level of computer knowledge is, more and more, becoming a job requirement. They also allow for free expression (more easily), and allow people to connect from around the world. Kids who can't get access to computers and the internet will find themselves at a disadvantage when trying to survive in relation to 1st and 2nd world countries.

      No, not every activity needs to be pushed onto computers. Computers aren't replacements for teachers. Computers shouldn't even be top-priority. However, if used properly, they are a great tool. As with most of the cases of technology misuse in the '80s and '90s, the whole problem comes when people who don't understand how these computer-things work start deciding that they'll be a cure-all for every situation. Of course, this problem persists today, but we can hope that as computers become more common, more people will understand that computers are tools to create solutions, and not solutions in themselves.

    9. Re:$100 per child? by Nijika · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Those labs were the only thing that kept me interested as a child.

      That being said, your point is not only well taken, but valid. These laptops could be a leap forward, but they aren't much use if the children they are designed for don't also have food, clothing, and shelter to start.

      Nice gesture, but it's a long way off.

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    10. Re:$100 per child? by Pro777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a former computer studies teacher at a secondary school in the developing world, I applaud Negroponte's efforts to get cheap computer hardware into the hands of those who need it. After two years of wrestling with broken, "donated" crap machines from the Western world, I think this is a serious step in the right direction.

      At a school like mine, a computer lab could conceivably provide access to Wikipedia, and any other number of educational games. My students were fascinated with education games, spent hours looking at entries in Encarta, and made some pretty incredible art with MS Paint. But of course, more needs to be done.

      I think in addition to hardware, we also need to create materials to education children on "how" to use the computer. After scouring the net looking for a primer, my colleagues and I decide to write our own. We should not be reinventing the wheel on this problem.

      Cheap hardware coupled with the proper teaching materials could do a world of good for developing countries. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.

    11. Re:$100 per child? by griffjon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Technology is not the answer to every problem.

      Sure it is, you just have to frame the question differently. e.g.:

      Problem: "Our school doesn't have a roof over it!"
      Answer: "You should have a fundraiser to buy roofing construction supplies and some alumni to volunteer labor"
      Results: New roof for the school, community strengthening, cost of roof spread out among the entire community via the fundraiser.

      Whatever. That might be cost effective, sustainable and useful. Really, you should say:

      Problem: "Our school doesn't have a roof, we need CAD software, new computers and a trained IT specialist to help us design one!"
      Answer: "Let us give your education ministry a loan from the IMF or DevBank to pursue a CAD-in-Schools project, delivering top-of-the-line CAD-capable desktop computers with the latest non-F/LOSS software on it, spending millions of loan-dollars that we'll have to repay later."
      Results: New computers in every school which get ruined as they got delivered during the rainy season to schools with no roof.

      But seriously. The problem of course is Negroponte can create buzz with a $100 laptop-for-every-child program, whereas "put a roof on every rural school" just doesn't quite get the same level of interest from most folk, despite the fact that the cost would be lower and benefits per cost much higher. Try arguing that for the value of ventilated pit latrines (or, gasp, running water) -- people blink at you, because they don't get the fact that that is a need for many schools in the developing world. Cheap computers, they grok.

      This is not in defense, just explanation and frustration from my own experience.

      Basically, I agree -- If you're gonna pony up $100US/child, lemme suggest, oh, maybe, a billion better projects you can direct that towards.

      On the other hand, if you've got some of the basics, not having basic computing skills can be a real barrier in getting a good job. Current solutions (that I've seen enacted in programs!) are keyboards with a tiny lcd screen and palmOS for $200+, so a fully functional laptop with some made-for-3rd-world ruggedizing, solar/handcrank power, etc. concepts built in is a potentially valuable idea.

      I find it interesting, however, that (according to http://laptop.media.mit.edu/):
      "Please note that the $100 laptops--not yet in production--will not be available for sale. The laptops will only be distributed to schools directly through large government initiatives. "

      I for one would pay twice the price to get a ruggedized, hand-crankable, low-end, paperback-book-sized laptop. I smell something funny, economically speaking, going on here. Either the hardware cost will be at a loss and there's service/support/gov't contracting fees to balance it, or something else funny. I'd imagine the demand for these in the developed world would be reasonably high, so by doing this he's killing his profits that he could use to improve the design for the developing world...

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    12. Re:$100 per child? by Bastian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ahem. That huge information boom mostly only happened for the rich. (If you're here reading Slashdot, that almost definitely includes you. I'm not talking rich-as-in-drives-a-Bentley. Even if your car is ten years old and rusted out, at least you have one.)

      This laptop is being designed for folks for whom an information boom would be textbooks and teachers. It's being designed for folks who have a hard enough time putting food on the table and clothing on their backs without dropping two months' paycheck on a piece of electronics. In fact, design flaw #1 on this thing is that it is a piece of electronics.

      A computer is a not a magic make-everything-better device.

    13. Re:$100 per child? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Funny

      What did Sam Kinison http://www.samkinison.org/ say. "Don't send them food. You can't f**king grow food in the desert! Send them f**king U-hauls!
      So, I would say they could use the laptop to find places that rent U-hauls.

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    14. Re:$100 per child? by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pace: Grueling
      Rations: Meager
      Temperature: Hot

      Sally has fever. Lost 3 days.

      You are at the Snake river. Do you want to hire a ferryman or attempt to ford the river on your own?

    15. Re:$100 per child? by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, as a eigth grader I needed to draw circles on the screen, in 6502 assembly language. Of course there were no drawing primitives, just setting a bit to turn on a dot. So I had to research how to plot circles. I found lots of trig answers with sines and cosines, but I didn't have sines and cosines in assembly language and as an eigth grader I didn't really understand them. Then I found an old paper describing Bresenham's algorithm that only used addition to draw circles and arcs. Very fast, very easy to impliment, even for an eigth grader.

      That was one example out of hundreds. I learned a lot about math, about research, and about logic from computers. Of course now a days kids don't program, they run prepackaged applications. Using Word and playing Reader Rabbit aren't the same as trying to figure out how a computer works.

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    16. Re:$100 per child? by hkb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh yeah, I learned how to use computers (TRS-80 Model 1s) when I was too poor to afford a decent one (eg. non-Timex Sinclair). I also learned how to use word processor programs, and how to program in BASIC. It was also a natural meeting place for all of us kids interested in computers, and we'd meet during free periods of time to socially network and play on the computers, show each other our latest programs, and other related trivia.

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    17. Re:$100 per child? by yppiz · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fact, design flaw #1 on this thing is that it is a piece of electronics.

      While I want to agree with you, I also think that there are counter-examples that electronics are not only beneficial but the correct solution to information needs for the poor. For example, radio and telephone are electroics-based technologies, but are crucial and successful even in poor and low-tech areas.

      A critical element of success is that the electronics be reliable and easy to operate. These I think are the big challenges for something like a laptop, not the fact that it's built out of electronic parts.

      --Pat

    18. Re:$100 per child? by RY · · Score: 2, Funny

      I still rember the first batch program I wrote, which got me suspended for "hacking" the school computers.

      10 PRINT "This class sucks. The teacher is so stupid"
      20 GOTO 10

    19. Re:$100 per child? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I lived in a place that could afford teachers, so no, all I learned from computers was computer skills. I didn't really learn shit about history or social studies, though, because I was a precocious little bastard and they couldn't (wouldn't take the time to) keep me busy, so I mouthed off and made a nuisance of myself. There are few disservices we do our children as serious as forcing them to learn at a pace too slow for them. No child left behind == no child excels.

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    20. Re:$100 per child? by liquilife · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oregeon Trail. Man, I loved that game. I was just meditating not long ago the long lost feeling of sitting in the school library trying to get me and my family safely across the river. This prompted me to download the game: http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/otrail.shtml Of course you'll need an old apple emulator. One I found that works great for this particular game: http://www.tomcharlesworth.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

  4. slashdotting by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously, the linked web site is being run off a prototype of the $100 laptop.

  5. Re:The non-existant $100 laptop! by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's try that again: The demo was yesterday afternoon, and while it didn't include a functioning prototype, I learned a great deal more about machine than I have from previous articles, or Negroponte's talk at Pop!Tech. He was able to answer a whole set of questions for me, and raise an entire set of new ones, which, I suspect, will take a number of years to answer accurately.

    I'll wait for this to be actual news. I'm filing this under the "proposed" WiMax killer. I accidentally clicked "Submit" instead of "Preview". My bad.

  6. I want one of these for my kids by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would easily shell out something like this for my kids to play with. This seems like something that could survive the normal bonkings that paperbacks suffer under my children's hands. It also looks like the perfect "eBook reader" device, which could help on long car trips. Of course, my kids would probably complain and ask for a DVD.

    1. Re:I want one of these for my kids by kuman2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, my kids would probably complain and ask for a DVD.

      that's what beatings are for

  7. Sneak preview pictures by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    The articles had very little on the look and feel. Better pictures can be found here.

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    1. Re:Sneak preview pictures by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If anyone could photoshop it showing Tux on the "computer", it'd garner at least a +5 interesting...

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  8. Swatch them! by StefanJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You could fund this program by selling "designer" vesions in wealthy nations.

    Have Swatch or some other design-centric company make a dozen glitzy versions a year. Sell them for $250, with a big trade-in allowance on used units. The store and designers would get a cut; the rest would go to buy units for distribution to poor kids.

  9. If they made a $200 version by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They could use the profit from selling it at Fry's and CompUSA to pay for free laptops for the kiddies- and the increase in manufacturing demand might even lower the price more.

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  10. How will this help by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My questions largely had to do with how the laptop would be used in the classroom. I made the mistake of asking a question of how the laptop would be used as "a teaching tool"... like Papert, Negroponte's a big believer that students simply need access to technology and can use it to teach each other and to make discoveries themselves.

    I'm inclined to agree with the writer that Negroponte's response is lacking. How will every student having a laptop help them in any way?

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  11. Some things that the articles don't answer.... by 8127972 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. What LINUX flavor will it use?
    2. What CPU will it use (Intel, AMD, other)?
    3. How does the sourcing of compnents influence the $100 cost of the laptop? For example, could they get Intel to hand over a bunch of of CPU's cheaply? Can they get Samsung to do the same with RAM?

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    1. Re:Some things that the articles don't answer.... by electronmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the link under FAQ's in the MIT Media lab area, it says "Its founding members are AMD, Brightstar, Google, News Corporation, and Red Hat, all of whom have funded both OLPC and the MIT Media Lab." This leads me to believe, Red hat for the flavor, and AMD for the processor ;)

  12. Buy One Laptop, Get Literacy for Free! by Dotnaught · · Score: 4, Funny

    Act now and we'll throw in food, shelter, a stable power supply, and tech support for one year or the rest of your life, whichever comes first.

  13. Too many moving parts? by Barkley44 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The keyboard on the mockup was detachable, but will probably fold out on a hinge ... Two trackballs, surrounded by four way buttons, on each side of the screen act as controls, and function keys on the back act as additional buttons). Sounds like more moving parts than a typical laptop, won't that be an issue when things break, how easily can they get them fixed?

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  14. Why Not the US Too? by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If Negroponte is able to mass produce this thing at a true $100 cost it will be revolutionary.

    I wonder, however, why he only plans to offer this device to the developing world when millions of children (and their school districts) in the United States could also benefit from such a device. $100 laptops could save school districts millions in textbook costs alone!

    1. Re:Why Not the US Too? by marknewlyn · · Score: 2, Informative

      The massive cost of textbooks is quite inflated. Order of magnitude reductions in textbooks costs have been shown to be possible if authors', editors' and publishers' royalties are reduced. This project FHSST has made massive progress to that end and will produce books for less than $3 per book. The first book should be out in 2006. Books shouldn't be replaced, they should form an integral part of the teaching process.

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    2. Re:Why Not the US Too? by Rick+Evans · · Score: 3, Informative

      "If Negroponte is able to mass produce this thing at a true $100 cost it will be revolutionary.

      I wonder, however, why he only plans to offer this device to the developing world (...)?"

      There are two reasons the manufacturing cost is so low:

      1- They'll be shipped to the receiving country as parts. 10 million motherboards, 10 million displays, etc. and assembled in-place using local labor. So the assembly costs are not only low -- they're providing jobs in the country of use. Which instantly supplies a labor pool to upgrade / repair the units.

      2- The component suppliers are subsidizing the cost of the parts with profits made from developed countries. One condition of this arrangement is that the $100 laptops cannot be sold here and undercut the profits.

            As much as I think it'd be cool to buy one for $300, the best way to help is to buy a shiny Opteron.

      Rick

  15. Hell yes. by RandoX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I grew up in one of those labs, on a Vax. Today I'm a professional software engineer, and I credit it all to the seeds planted in my youth trying to extend the capabilities of DCL batch files to do everything from games to utilites to public message boards. Never underestimate the power of a push in the right direction, especially at a young age.

  16. Vaporware until they have real mfg costs by billstewart · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't get me wrong, it's a nice concept. They may be doing some innovative things with the screen, though as of September's non-slashdotted article, that was still just proposed. The crank on the side is a potentially useful touch. And they've taken some creative approaches to picking useful software, applications, and modularity.

    But the fundamentally cool thing about this box is that it costs $100; at $200 it wouldn't be as cool, and at $500 it'd be really lame. So until they've got real manufacturing costs and really *can* make it for $100 in volume, it's still vaporware.

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  17. Re:yes but.... by wcb4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    of course it will, silly, NetBSD will run on anything, including my Red LED wrist watch from 1979.

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  18. Add a wireless card, a DVDRW drive, USB ports by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Add a wireless card, DVDRW drive and several USB ports and then it can be used as a phone, book reader, movie viewer, video game, language and typing tutor.

    Maybe it can be networked to support a school tutoring program and free internet access?

    Add Windows XP error reporting and Office assistants, and it can be used as an instant source of frustration and lamentation.

    I couldnt get the worldchanging URL to load....maybe it could be used to support that site too.

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  19. Re:THE END OF THE AMERICAN TECH WORKER by msdschris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well why wont that homeless guy with the sign reading "Will work for food" read that other sign that says "HELP WANTED"?

  20. A laptop for the 3rd world maybe... by bkontr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But even I don't the 3rd world will bother with this either. It looks a bit too cheap, and there are much better alternatives for slightly more money. Who are they marketing this to anyway? Developing countries are probably more interested in desktops, for the price and performance factor. Besides, if $100 is expensive to people in the 3rd world (and you can bet on that) they're not going to want to carry a laptop around where it can get stolen or damaged. What do you all think?

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    1. Re:A laptop for the 3rd world maybe... by wpiman · · Score: 2
      Good points- but also remember in the third world there isn't really houses or apartments with doors. No police and courts to really enforce the ownership laws- if any exist at all.

      Also- there isn't much power to plug desktops into and if there is- it usually is not very reliable. A laptop it better suited to deal with places where power is spotty and unreliable.

    2. Re:A laptop for the 3rd world maybe... by maxter3185 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The government is going to pay for these laptops, not common people, I mean: this computers won't be for sale, so this is going to be free for the kids. And, as many have said, not everybody in the 3rd world has currency in their house, so at least with these laptops they have "the crank" to power it up.

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  21. Re:THE END OF THE AMERICAN TECH WORKER by PingPongBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who wants to be illiterate? Life is so hard - but are children too distracted by entertainment to gain the skills demanded by business?

    At any rate, statements like half of x has property p should be substantiated by sources. If half of students can't read wouldn't we hear about it on CNN?

    The level of reading required for self-education could be deficient though. It is a lot better now than a few years ago, especially with the power of Google. No one can go to class for every aspect of life or work, and there's no telling whether a book is available to help. Computers to our rescue.

    Whenever I go to the library I see thousands of books, but it never gets easy to tell which books are applicable to the current situation at hand. One time I read a few pages about the theory of flaws in metal casting processes. Intriguing but not totally relevant mainly because even if I felt I could make my fortune in the business, I just had no confidence I could assemble enough books in that library to self-educate to the point that I could cast things with less cost, more strength, or whatever. For one thing, casting is bound to be a smelly process and not to be attempted without access to equipment and facilities. So to say that many people cannot read-well, that may be better stated as many people cannot acquire sufficient knowledge for the achievement of even the most fundamental activities occurring in the background of civilization. :)

    So if more and more people get hold of computers, there will be more and more voices clamouring for information, and that should be a good thing. It would be a lot easier for me to acquire comprehensive black and white knowledge for any particular objective.

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  23. 8th grade reading level is "literate" in USA by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well by conventional wisdom anyways.

    By 4th grade you can pronounce almost every word other than a few oddballs and words adopted from foreign languages. You can take a good guess at spelling words and names that you've never heard before.

    By 8th grade you've probably read dozens if not hundreds of children's books and a few non-challenging adult books too. This assumes at least 1 book a week checked out from the school library for 8 years - not a universal assumption but something most teachers encourage. You've also done some expository and other writing.

    Most newspapers are written on an 8th grade reading level.

    High school and college add things like:
    exposure to more literature, literary analysis, writing papers for various audiences and purposes, etc.

    Graduation brings spending 24x7 in front of a computer reading /. j/k :)

    What does "functionally literate" mean? Off the cuff I'd say it means knowing how to read and write well enough to get along in society without having someone read or interpret things for you. Can you grocery shop, use an ATM, read a paper or at least the crawl on CNN, read your utility bills and catch and respond to billing errors, etc. without help?

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  24. Required every-x-year replacement is bogus too by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's no reason in the world most textbooks should go out of adoption in less than 10-20 years. The only differences between a 7th grade math book now and one 20 years ago are:
    1) calculator-related exercises
    2) flashy color
    3) "hip" teaching methods

    A good teacher can use a 20 year old math book along with supplimental calculator exercises and teach the same material.

    On the other hand, some books DO need updating even MORE often than the usual 5-10 year cycle:
    Any book or part of a book that touches on historical and political events of the last 10 years.
    Any book or part of a book that deals with those parts of science that are rapily-evolving. Science books that teach "classic" science such as Newton's laws don't need updating.
    Any book or part of a book that cites "facts" that are now passe, such as a health book that cites the "four food groups."

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  25. Re:Do they really need a laptop? by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2

    My first reaction was about the same; "Millions of western children / students do not have a laptop. Why the effort to get children who even don't have food a laptop?!"

    But on the other hand; Western kids have ALOT more opportunities and resources to get educated and create a future. A laptop wont make too much of a difference for the average western kid in order to "make it".
    These kids even can't afford paper (in which aspect such a laptop is a great tool for education!) They can even pass on their studymaterial to their siblings, neighbours, whoever doesn't have the ability to go to school. Once they have their laptop - which I believe only needs to be crancked to run - they're set for lenght of their education. You can't help those people by dumping food, and making them dependant, but by educating and making them selfsufficient. (these people are very creative as well. Hook them up on the internet, give them info... and be amazed.)

    I for one, applaud this project!

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    I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
  26. No more FAT KIDS! by Ossifer · · Score: 2, Funny

    We should give these things out to American kids!

    Since they'll be required to hand-crank them every few minutes to continue playing gangbangers-shoot-the-cops, it'll be the only exercise they'll ever get!

  27. IF infrastructure in place, here's what you can do by davidwr · · Score: 2

    ASSUMING teachers were trained, tech support was in place, electricity was in place, and network infrastructure was in place, here's what I see laptops being used for:

    Paper-and-book work being done on a computer:
    writing/composition, test-taking, e-books, journal-keeping, drill-and-practice, homework, etc. Much of this will be submitted for grading electronically, saving paper costs and making it easier for the teacher to catch cheaters by spotting patterns.

    As an enabling technology:
    Email, web-based research, multi-site collaborative research by students, remote- or time-delayed teaching, and many other uses.

    As a hook to get kids interested in technology:
    Some kids will insist on taking their PCs apart and putting them back together, or compiling their own kernel.

    As a way to cheat:
    Smart, lazy students will find a way and learn in the experience, they'll show not-so-smart-but-lazy students who will lose educational opportunities in the process.

    As a way to make money:
    Smart students will figure out how to use the PCs for their own profit. So will greedy parents.

    As a distraction:
    playing games, visiting slashdot, need I say more?

    I do hope that for while-attached-to-the-school-network use the schools can force the PCs to boot to a trusted kernel and trusted / directory, while allowing students to boot to their own environment while at home.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  28. How to fund these things by JemalCole · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sell them for $200 in America with the understanding that you're paying for one in the 3rd world. Buy one, get one sent to somebody who really needs it. I'll take two.

  29. Re:THE END OF THE AMERICAN TECH WORKER by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're responding to a post about a:

    ( ) Technical innovation in a developing country
    (*) Product shipped to a developing market
    ( ) General discussion about IT in the devbeloping world

    The location is:

    ( ) Africa
    ( ) India
    ( ) Bangladesh
    ( ) China
    ( ) Somewhere else in Asia
    ( ) South America
    ( ) Central America
    (*) Other _unspecified_

    You're objecting to it on the basis that:

    ( ) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in that country yet
    (*) American jobs will be lost

    Your argument is bogus because:

    ( ) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in the developed world either, that doesn't mean we should halt all technological research
    ( ) This will not adversely affect any efforts to alleviate poverty
    ( ) This will help to alleviate poverty
    ( ) Poverty in that country isn't as widespread as you say it is
    (*) The US does not have a divine right to keep all the cool jobs

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    Drill baby drill - on Mars
  30. waste of time! by recharged95 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The $100 laptop does exist. And it's used.

    With my Acer 3002 at $399 (just got my rebates!) that model will be about $200 a year from now making Negroponte's idea a sham.

    Really, Negroponte as a computer geek, I'm surprise he just didn't scoop up all the used/cheap laptops on ebay, install linux and build a real application fit for 3rd world countries. Using that roadmap:

    • People would learn/see/touch "the history" of computers (and why they're so important--hey we've all been though it),
    • have some commonality with the rest of the world (I see a lot of humble attitude to those users: "yeah, that C64 was awesome back then" stuff),
    • those countries would have an incredible amount of FREE (or paid) support cause we're all experts on the old stuff,
    • Have technology THAT WORKS and has a track record,
    • And with linux and FOSS, those who are talented or really interested in software can contribute!

    It's basically the used car business model. And we all owned a used car--why? heck, cause that system works.

    Instead this guy is creating another "industry" that provides no real impact except to his wallet and ego. Great, computers and the internet are tying people together, and now the 100$ laptop is creating a seperate system of devices between the have's and have nots. That what happens in academia when corporate $$$ mixes with big egos... oh well.

  31. Re:THE END OF THE AMERICAN TECH WORKER by FireFlie · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "So pretty soon, every child in India will have a laptop, while here in America, we're lucky if half the graduating High School seniors know how to read.

    This is an outsourcer's wet dream come true.

    Expect HUGE sporsorships from the usual suspects."

    While I don't exactly agree with the point that you are making, your point gets close to something that I am feeling. I understand that it is wonderful to help the rest of the world, but what about America? I believe one of the articles said that they did not want to make these things available to the general public. What would it hurt to sell these things retail for cheap? We may be a fairly rich country, but poverty still exists in America, and these things could help students of all ages who are middle to low income.

  32. Re:Idea by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're responding to a post about a:

    ( ) Technical innovation in a developing country
    (*) Product shipped to a developing market
    ( ) General discussion about IT in the devbeloping world

    The location is:

    ( ) Africa
    ( ) India
    ( ) Bangladesh
    ( ) China
    ( ) Somewhere else in Asia
    ( ) South America
    ( ) Central America
    (*) Other _unspecified_

    You're objecting to it on the basis that:

    (*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in that country yet
    ( ) American jobs will be lost

    Your argument is bogus because:

    (*) Poverty hasn't been eliminated in the developed world either, that doesn't mean we should halt all technological research
    (*) This will not adversely affect any efforts to alleviate poverty
    (*) This will help to alleviate poverty
    ( ) Poverty in that country isn't as widespread as you say it is
    ( ) The US does not have a divine right to keep all the cool jobs

    --
    Drill baby drill - on Mars
  33. Summary: Gosh! Wow! by xtermin8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have we not learned from Steve Jobs review of the Segway? Cheap micro computers will be used for porn and Solitaire. Period. Nothing to See Here.