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YouTube Receives $3.5M Funding from Sequoia

An anonymous reader writes "YouTube, the self-described "Flickr of video" has now received $3.5M in funding from Sequoia Capital, the same VC firm that funded Yahoo!, Google, and PayPal. Competitors of YouTube include Revver, launched just last month and founded by Ian Clarke of The Freenet Project fame. As of now, both services are free. With the online video space heating up in recent months, the question is who will discover the best business model." YouTube was first mentioned on Slashdot shortly after its launch three months ago.

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  1. Google Video by dirtsurfer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So, what's the difference between this and Google Video?
    Or should I RTFA? ;)

    1. Re:Google Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I never heard about youtube before I listened to a talk by .... wait for it ... some Sequoia people on podtech.com. I tried to check them out but the site was down. Now I see it for the sneaky pre-advertising it was. "my kid was checking out youtube" my ass.

      And I can't see how this can compete against Google video -- it doesn't have the bandwidth, the name recognition, the search capability, or anything that google has going for it. Perhaps some 2nd tier company like Yahoo will buy it.

    2. Re:Google Video by RockoW · · Score: 1

      Google Video doesn't allow to embed video in your web page that is the main advantage of YouTube. Embedded content is the nice feature of the service just like flickr.

  2. So who are Sequoia? by Audent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And who else have they funded...? Surely there are a couple of other companies, or are they simply very good at picking future winners on the largest scale possible?

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    1. Re:So who are Sequoia? by Kildjean · · Score: 1
      Better yet who is YouTube? Is it a new kind of lubricant?

      3rd Post ;)

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    2. Re:So who are Sequoia? by FireballX301 · · Score: 1

      Sequoia Investment fund - one of the better funds to put your money in as they've consistently beat the market. I believe they use Warren Buffett's method of investment, that is, securities analysis and asset-value disparity over the long term.

    3. Re:So who are Sequoia? by mridley · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're a top tier VC in Silicon Valley. More info is on their web site.

  3. Vobbo is Better! by CuteVlogger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vobbo is better! More file formats, but you can use your own domain, make rss feeds for any search term, and embed videos in other annoying trendy sites :)

    1. Re:Vobbo is Better! by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 1

      Won't play mp4 shot with Sony DSC-M1.

      Next.

    2. Re:Vobbo is Better! by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 1

      http://www.vobbo.com/user/rickrich/entry/906

      vs.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=MmFSrNipR0Q

      Same mp4 shot with Sony DSC-M1, works on youtube but not on vobbo.

    3. Re:Vobbo is Better! by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      If its all the same to you, can I sit this revolution out? :) I did all the other ones and im just a bit tired of all the revolving.

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  4. Can we have more "cool" product names in the post? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Let's see, we got:
    YouTube
    Flickr
    Sequia Capital
    VC
    Yahoo
    Google
    PayPal
    Revver

    The only ones I know are Google, PayPal and Yahoo what are the other ones? Anyone care to explain?
    Is it just me, or is there anyone else who is confused. Without knowing what those products/brands are it is impossible to understand the post.

  5. Vobbo also allows recording from webcam by HMC+CS+Major · · Score: 1

    No editing skills required. "Point, click, smile".

    Thanks for the mention!

    1. Re:Vobbo also allows recording from webcam by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      Limit Access: limit access to your videos to only your friends and family to prevent unauthorized access
      I don't think any of the other alternatives offer password protection for your videos.
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  6. business model? isn't it obvious? by idlake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Their business model is obviously to be acquired by Yahoo!, Google, or Microsoft.

    1. Re:business model? isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What about eBay? I'd rather have an embedded video in my auction than a Skype link...

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  7. Clippy helped! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    / You seem to try to fund your project.   \
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    | give any money! Fuck off and ask those  |
    \ hippie money spoiling firms!            /
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  8. The flickr of video? by hubbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why can't flickr be the flickr of video?

    A large part of succeeding in this space will be about technology - there are storage and bandwidth issues aplenty. But if your users need to find someone who thinks prancing around the room with their polka-dot boxers on their head is funny or artistic or... original, they'll need community. And flickr has succeeded in building a community around images, where many others have failed. It's no small feat.

    - Hubbah

    1. Re:The flickr of video? by blankoboy · · Score: 1

      Why can't google come out with a better alternative to flickr? Oh wait, google video...but no photos =( Why do I need a freaking Yahoo ID to sign up for flickr.

  9. How dos VC works? by bubulubugoth · · Score: 1

    This is an offtopic, but.. I really dont know.

    It seems that lots of money, since Venture Capital is high risk capital, but at the same time, high return of invesmet, if the bussines model takes off..

    So far, as a stakeholder, shouldnt Ive concerned about having the same VC at 2 competing brands: Take Yahoo and Google.

    With money being a very powerfull weapon for corporative control, should Sequoia cannot be using inside information and just plain playing with the market?

    Is this ethical? Doesnt this presents a confict of interests?

    How does a VC works, so this doenst happens?
    Arent VC regulated?

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    1. Re:How dos VC works? by FireballX301 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hi. I'm a Venture Capitalist. I talk to you for a bit and decide you're worth my investment.

      You now have a bunch of money from me, but you have either a debt obligation to me or have given me convertible stock options. I also play a role in your Board of Directors.

      You have about 6 years to give me a return on investment before I pull the plug. In the meantime I will work towards your benefit because I want my money back.

      After I pull out by converting and selling stock or calling in my debt, you should be a thriving company and I will have reaped a decent return on investment GIVEN that I did my job properly.

      Here's the thing, though. youTube and Reever are theoretically competing entities. However, any schmoe can put down a few million on both. What that schmoe CANNOT do is take action based on insider information or engage in deliberate corporate espionage, and if the schmoe is a bit too friendly to one, the other will see him as a hostile investor. Think hostile takeover.

  10. Yahoo, Google, Apple, VA, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Atari, Rackspace, Cisco, CafePress, PayPal, etc.

    They've funded a few winners over the years...

    1. Re:Yahoo, Google, Apple, VA, etc by Agrippa · · Score: 4, Informative

      They also funded MP3.com with 12 million in early 99 and cashed out hansomely way, way, way before the bubble burst.

      .agrippa.

  11. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by pHatidic · · Score: 1
    VC stands for venture capitalist and Sequoia is the most famous silicon valley VC firm specializing in technology (Flatiron is probably the most famous east coast one).


    Flickr is pictures with tagging.


    Revver I've never heard of, but I'm not really into online video yet.

  12. Explained by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    VC = Venture Capital = money to do stuff with

    Sequia Capital = Company that gives out VC if you beg enough

    Flikr = Photo sharing site that allows you to tag pictures in your gallery according to their content - this makes them easily searchable -

    Yahoo: Yahoo bought Flikr a while ago

    YouTube = video version of Flikr, UL your vids & tag them
    http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos.php?user=cha irdiving

    Revver = same thing as YouTube
    http://www.revver.com/video/2367/

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  13. Why couldn't they call it MyTube? by dougTheRug · · Score: 3, Funny

    I *hate* software that's not called "My whatever".

    1. Re:Why couldn't they call it MyTube? by krakit · · Score: 1

      Me too. That is why I love "Mycrosoft".

  14. Wow! by aywwts4 · · Score: 1, Funny

    They have just craploads of... Crap!

    Surely this is the business model of the future!

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    1. Re:Wow! by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Sure. If by "future", you mean "right now".

      I mean -- the overproduced crap that the RIAA and MPAA spew out right now is, by definition, crap. I'd at least like to see crap that's original, and made by someone who makes it because they like to, not because advertisers tell them to, or because they'll be really Rich And Famous.

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    2. Re:Wow! by torpor · · Score: 1

      yeah .. i mean .. its like soooo exciting watching someone's video of laundry being trampled on by repugnant little mutant dogs. over and over.

      sheesh .. these sites have everything except .. a reason for such fame. what they need to do is find rogue sites of independent artists and somehow lure them into producing something .. actually interesting .. something actually worth watching ..

      but, then again. we have been seeing a lot of 'media studies' majors over the last 5 to 10 years .. these people, even the dropouts, have to be producing something interesting.

      or, are these so-called 'services' just a diversionary tactic away from the underground, try to nip it in the bud before a 21st century rock star emerges from the inky depths of the 'net ..

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  15. Revver Site Probs by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
    [Failure instance: Traceback: nevow.stan.NodeNotFound: The pattern named 'content' wasn't found in the template. /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/int ernet/defer.py:316:_continue /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/int ernet/defer.py:277:unpause /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/int ernet/defer.py:358:_runCallbacks /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ twist.py:26:cb --- --- /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ twist.py:17:drive /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ ten.py:87:iterflatten /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ flatstan.py:190:ListSerializer /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ ten.py:74:serialize /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ ten.py:65:partialflatten /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ flatstan.py:245:RendererSerializer /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/flat/ flatstan.py:226:FunctionSerializer /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/rend. py:406:rend /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/loade rs.py:244:load /home/dotz/lib/python2.4/site-packages/nevow/query .py:86:onePattern ]
    teething problems?

    Site is working normally now, but I figured some of the /nerds might find this peek into their python interesting
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  16. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by dr.badass · · Score: 1

    Without knowing what those products/brands are it is impossible to understand the post.

    You might consider the possibility that if the post doesn't make any sense to you, it probably isn't something you're interested in.

    For instance, if you don't know that VC stands for "venture capital", you probably don't care when some company you've never heard of receives it. And if you've never heard of Flickr (living under a rock, perhaps?), you probably don't care about companies claiming to be just like them.

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  17. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by mridley · · Score: 1

    Eh, I think Kleiner, Perkins is probably a little more of a "household name" than Seqoia but whatever.

  18. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by TheTopher · · Score: 1

    Judging from the context, I believe VC is an abbreviation of "Venture Capital", which seems to be the nature of Sequoia Capital...

  19. How do we make money? by Time+Doctor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here at YouTube, we get a lot of satisfied customers, and some of them ask us how we stay in business and give away free bandwidth.

    The answer is simple, volume.

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    1. Re:How do we make money? by nicklott · · Score: 1
      Volume of what though? 100000000000 * 0 is still 0.

      How *do* they make money?

    2. Re:How do we make money? by Time+Doctor · · Score: 2, Informative

      This joke was a reference to an old saturday night live episode wherein Phil Hartman explains that the customers at "Change Bank", a bank where all they do is give you change for other denominations of money makes money via "volume". Of course now that I've explained the joke it is no longer funny, you insensitive clod.

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    3. Re:How do we make money? by nicklott · · Score: 1
      What ees this "saturday night live"? Who is Phil Hartman? Why wasn't he funnier?

      Anyway, still no-one answered the question... If you're going to put $3.5 million you're going to want it back at some point, so how are they going to make money?

    4. Re:How do we make money? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      Ideally by building this into a thriving business, then selling the stock (or other investment vehicle) they got in exchange for their capital.

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    5. Re:How do we make money? by nicklott · · Score: 1
      "Ideally by building this into a thriving business"

      But what's it going to thrive on? A business NEEDS a revenue source, be it only selling advertising space or selling IP to google/yahoo/megacorp. I can't see that from their public facing persona, but then maybe I'm just being dense.

    6. Re:How do we make money? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were asking how the VC's make money.

      As for how this service makes money, I dunno. Frankly I think the whole "media by amateurs for anyone with enough time to find it" idea is dumb. I have no desire to see other's photos (when did we stop being bored to death by slideshows?) or their poorly produced, grainy, and generally uninteresting videos.

      So, again, I don't know how the service will make money. My guess is it won't.

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    7. Re:How do we make money? by nicklott · · Score: 1

      Frankly I think the whole "media by amateurs for anyone with enough time to find it" idea is dumb. I have no desire to see other's photos (when did we stop being bored to death by slideshows?) or their poorly produced, grainy, and generally uninteresting videos.

      lol, but I really enjoyed the 3 minute video of the view out of the window of some train in holland! ;)
    8. Re:How do we make money? by benizi · · Score: 1

      It wasn't Phil Hartman. It was Jim Downey. Phil was a customer in one, though.

      First Citiwide Change Bank sketch I, sketch II. The second ends with the relevant quote.

  20. Forget the business model, YouTube works.. by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

    Here using Gentoo Linux distros, I manage to view this site as the most Linux-friendly, easy to categorize than most other video sites.

    One that caught my attention is the ability to teach oneself in how to dance. Now that is something...

    Glow Girl seems to have it licked doing what I thought was a pretty good rave dance...

  21. Supr.c.ilio.us idiom of the day by wct · · Score: 1
    From here:

    flickr of (adj)

    Generally used to indicate your company/business/idea is cool and ahead of the curve, yet you have no clue why anyone would use it, or how to differentiate it from the ten other Flicker-of's.

    Examples:

    • We're the Flickr of video
    • We're in stealth mode now, but all I can say is, it's like Flickr but for video
    • We're seeing a market void for a Flickr of video
  22. LULOP2 open source video CMS by lulop1 · · Score: 1

    if you want to create your own Flickr of video, you should try LULOP2 open source. Here is a list of available features. Deveforum here. LULOP2 is the software that powers LULOP.com. So, not just Flickr of video, but a professional-grade platform for online video asset management which can be bent to many purposes.

  23. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    I guess you are right, this article doesn't apply to me. I was just wondering how many other Slashdotters got confused under the barrage of acronyms/company/brand names. Well, I'll crawl back under my rock now...

  24. The obvious name should be by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    iTube.

  25. Review of the Flickrs of Video by DenmaFat · · Score: 1

    Techcrunch is way ahead of us on this Flickr-of meme:

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/06/the-flickrs-o f-video/

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  26. Um, VCs don't loan money by Sanity · · Score: 1
    but you have either a debt obligation to me
    VCs invest capital in ventures in return for a portion of the business, banks lend money.
    1. Re:Um, VCs don't loan money by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Please don't share your opinion when you don't know what you are talking about. VCs use convertible debentures, preferred shares, and convertible preferreds regularly. VCs love to use instruments that give them liquidation preference (debt) as well as upside (equity) as long as they can get both without paying a premium for it.

  27. Missing the most important thing about Revver by Sanity · · Score: 3, Informative
    The important difference between Revver and the other sites is that Revver allows the creators of videos to earn money. They do this by giving video creators a 50:50 cut of the advertising revenue generated from the ads attached to that user's video. This approach is unique among the various "Flickr of Video" sites, and is pretty unique across other forms of media too.

    This is very important, particularly if you consider the growing frustration of video creators as these websites make money from their creativity without rewarding them (see http://ebaumsworldsucks.com for a good example of this frustration).

  28. I still don't really get Flickr by DavidNWelton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I put my photos up on the web, and give each one a description. For instance:

    http://www.dedasys.com/photos/padova_inverno/

    and you know what? People can find them just fine with google or google image search. And I get the adsense revenue myself. It's not much - maybe enough for a pizza for my wife and I every now and then, but hey, I'm not complaining.

    So... what's so "fantastc abot Flickr"? Sure, it's nice for those who don't have their own web hosting space... I'm not trying to say it's bad, but I don't get the hype.

    1. Re:I still don't really get Flickr by bartle · · Score: 1

      The cool thing is that all the photos are searchable by keyword. So during Hurricane Katrina, for example, one could easily browse through Flickr and get a large array of images people had taken of the storm and its afteraffects. Doing a regular Google image search will often return the same published AP pictures over and over. The photos you took and placed on your custom website would likely not rank high enough to be seen.

  29. Hope it does better than Trepia by popeydotcom · · Score: 1

    Trepia - the 'iChat on crack' geograpically-based instant messenger - was co-started by the same guy as YouTube.

    Trepia never really got going. Partly due to a small userbase (compared with every other IM), windows-only client (it *just* worked under WINE), and pretty poor location detection (you had to tell it where you are).

    Looks like Meetro are taking over that spot, although I note they don't have non-windows clients either.

  30. Re:Can we have more "cool" product names in the po by Igarden2 · · Score: 1

    I find myself going to Google or Wikipedia frequently to decipher the alphabet soup I find here. I guess that's the price I pay for cruising geekdom.

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  31. Why Youtube like services went bust in the past by divadwg · · Score: 1

    When Adcritic, which has similar growth to Youtube, went under the popular conclusion was that the cost of bandwidth was too high and that nowadays with cheaper bandwidth, this business model works. Adcritic had videos of ads - the argument was that they wouldnt get sued cos advertisers are happy if people watch ads. But they did - cos the middle men who arrange royalty payments to actors in ads felt threatened and put a spanner in the works. When an ad is being aired all the royalty payments are sorted, but if you show it months later then unless you can arrange a byzantine web of payments yourself (which is not viable for Youtube) you are as vulnerable as adcritic, no matter how cheap your 2005 bandwidth. Much of Youtube's content is user generated, but most of this is crap, the most viewed items are non user generated clips that Youtube does not have the rights for and some of these are memes like the matric ping pong clip that have been doing the rounds of the web for years. The answer to whether Youtube's impressive growth is sustainable, will depend not on whether they have volume, as they say, but whether the volume contains anything othr than a vacuum. That will depend on whether new memes and quality content are supplied by cellphone captured video. The jury is still out on that one.

  32. Ugh, more clones. by AIX-Hood · · Score: 1

    The big problem with all of these video sites, which you don't seem to see with the photo ones, is that all they ever do is steal videos from each other and slap their own website url on the video. ebaumsworld, big-boys, collegehumor, etc etc.. I can't remember the others, but there's TONS. Now there's google video and these other guys. I've seen a mass amount of copyrighted video being hosted by all of them also. ebaumsworld and somethingawful had a forum invasion war just this last month because ebaums took tons of the photoshop phriday contest content and put it up on their own site after slapping their name on it. How many more of these sites do we need? Bandwidth is cheap.. I get it already.

  33. Okay. by oliana · · Score: 1

    Troll.

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  34. Lets not forget Vimeo by everyplace · · Score: 1

    Vimeo (a side project from the minds behind collegehumor.com etc) is another video sharing site that often gets mentioned amongst these sites. Most recently it was mentioned in the nytimes article about the same subject. I've had really amusing experiences with the software, both in it's ease of sharing videos and discovering others. Flickr integration too! You can't argue with that.

  35. If you think YouTube is cool, by johnrob · · Score: 1

    Wait until YouBoob launches! It won't raise any VC, but it will make a lot more money.

  36. Re:Dumb kid yelling at his war game by PHPfanboy · · Score: 1

    You just don't get it. By funding crap, Sequoia's other web site company investments will look like real diamonds.

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  37. Re:liquidation prefs are NOT DEBT by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I was in a grumpy and curt mood when I posted that, but your attitude is no better. You are both wrong and misleading (in that I never said preferred shares are debt). Perhaps like most VCs, you don't have the patience or requisite brain cells to read more than a 1 page executive summary. Clearly I should have said "like debt" and "like equity" to be more clear. Or maybe you are just intentionally misreading to be argumentative?

    Liquidation preference is a debt-like seniority feature that is a part of most preferred shares. Bank debt is going to be senior to preferreds in a liquidation, of course. And interest on debt is non-deferrable (failure to pay leads to default and all the consequences thereof), unlike preferred dividends. Re: conversion features, most preferreds used by VCs have conversion terms of some sort in them. I guess I had to say all of that to clarify. My original point was of course that VCs want upside and control along with as senior a status in a company's capital structure as they can get.

    Oh, and as you reference yourself, convertible notes are often used for seed stage investments by angels and very early stage VC firms, to avoid attaching a fixed valuation to a firm that's too early to accurately value. Though you are right that handing out debt isn't the primary purpose of a VC firm, I never said it was.

    BTW, I have been an entrepreneur (and raised capital from VCs in three separate rounds) and have done private deals at a hedge fund, though I principally invest in public equities.