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How Text Ads Tamed Ads on the Wild, Wild Web

securitas writes "In Sunday's New York Times, Randall Stross writes about How Google Tamed Ads on the Wild, Wild Web and how it is largely responsible for the demise of the odious pop-under ad. From the article: "Without intending to do so, the company set in motion multilateral disarmament by telling its first advertisers in 2000: text only, please. No banner ads, no images, no animation.... Google introduced these ads at the very moment when X10 ads were strewn like chewed gum on every square of sidewalk. X10's pop-unders were accepted at mainstream sites run by companies including Microsoft, Yahoo and The New York Times." Remember that "in mid-2001, X10's company Web site was the fourth-most visited" on the Web. Thank you, Google." I'd actually argue that while the text ads had something to do with it, the massive growth in pop-up/under blockers made as much of a difference, if not even more.

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  1. X10 ad museum by pohl · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case anybody does not remember the X10 ads, I was able to find an online gallery of old X10 ads. Not at all subtle about who their target market is, are they?

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    1. Re:X10 ad museum by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, sex sells. If you check the x10 site today, you see a bunch photos that are very similar to your link.

    2. Re:X10 ad museum by Loc_Dawg · · Score: 5, Funny

      That reminds me of a fake SA page from a few years ago!

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    3. Re:X10 ad museum by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      You misspelled ad nauseum.

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    4. Re:X10 ad museum by czarangelus · · Score: 5, Funny

      What frightens me is the bottom ad on that page. It's advertising a hidden camera for "security in your kids' playroom" with a picture of an older girl with noticably hard nipples. What are these people trying to tell us?

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  2. The Google-fication of the facts by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see... so Google saved us all from ourselves did they? I seem to remember that even though Google was much talked about in 2000, it had yet to become the preminent search engine it is today.

    Perhaps this has more to do with it: Results 1 - 10 of about 7,590,000 for Pop-up blocker software. (0.20 seconds). Taken from Google itself. Pop-ups weren't simply replaced, they were stamped out. They still exist, but not at the staggering, nauseating level they were once.

    Does anyone know anyone who ever bought one of those X10 cameras?

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    1. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by xoip · · Score: 3, Funny

      There was one at our office that was glued to the back of a lego robot and used as an attempt to demonstrate wireless video to investors...company now dead :)

    2. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by dslauson · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Pop-ups weren't simply replaced, they were stamped out.
      Very true, but Google had a hand in that, as well. The Google toolbar, with popup blocking, was popular before browsers like Firefox that have integrated popup blocking were part of the mainstream. It's definitely what I used in IE before I made the switch.
    3. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that the premise of Google killing these ads are false as well.

      Without ad-blocker turned off. (though Firefox is set to block ads), I still get 2-4 pop-unders per session. I wonder how many Firefox itself is blocking.

      In any case, I'm not focused on the ad but the little 'X' button to shut them off. I wonder how often it simply became uneconomical to advertise this way and how often would someone would return to an insignificant website that throws pop-ups or pop-unders around like that? It's a quick way to drive away your audience.

    4. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by BushCheney08 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gee, I wonder if the company's failure had anything to do with using a Lego robot in your investor pitch...Don't get me wrong, I personally would've loved it. Then again, I'm not the type of guy who has money to give to cool projects...

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    5. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bought an X10 camera only days before I got my first pop-under ad from them. It was cheap, and what their camera was, it was exactally what I wanted. Too bad no one ever told me that the wireless camera REQUIRES AN AC ADAPTER FOR POWER. What a joke. And the quality was worse than the snaps I get on my $2.99 320x240 digital camera, with poor reception to boot.

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    6. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmm.... that does make me wonder.

      Google sells non-popup ads, and provides users with a blocker for popup ads. Personally, I can understand the valid, intelligent reasons for doing both - both giving consumers what they want.... but put together, it looks pretty damn evil.

    7. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by EggyToast · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm sure you've noticed that TONS of the newer pop-ups use graphics to look like a regular Windows window, so there's 2 x's to click. I'm sure plenty of people see one and click it, and are instead taken to the company's website.

      Of course, it just makes it really funny when viewed under OS X or a Linux browser, where the windows look entirely different (OS X especially, since usually the red "close" button is sticking out on the left side of the browser, since they figure "hey, let's stick out a bit but not where the close button is!" Whoops!)

    8. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very true, but Google had a hand in that, as well. The Google toolbar, with popup blocking, was popular before browsers like Firefox that have integrated popup blocking were part of the mainstream.

      Google's toolbar rose at the same time as Firefox did (along with a lot of other third party toolbars. Lots of pop-up blocking toolbars preceded Google in the IE space, for instance): Google doesn't need to be thanked for implementing something so obvious, and they were far from first.

      Of course for the people in the know, before the browser clients started implementing this functionality it was the norm to use local proxies that blocked popups, unwanted scripts and cookies, etc. I can't even remember the name of it now, but I used one for about a year.

      This is all so ridiculous anyways - for people who haven't noticed, Google has already "evolved" from text ads, to full-graphic banners. It's only a matter of time before they're animated (they probably already are), and who knows from there. Google's ascent was largely to the connected geek crowd, and they differentiated themselves from Excite! and Yahoo by having a tremendously lightweight interface - that's what got them attention. Slowly they introduced text ads, and as we've seen they've grown from there. There is nothing special or benevolent about Google's technique: It was simply their way of getting where they are, and it worked beautifully.

    9. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by Reziac · · Score: 4, Informative

      The other day I got one through Mozilla's unrequested-popup blocking, which normally works 100%.

      BTW *never* click on the corner X, that's not safe since a popup's corner X is sometimes a disguised "OK" button for installing something Nasty. Instead, use ALT-F4 (or whatever keystroke your OS uses) to close the popup window. So far, that cannot be spoofed (far as I know, anyway).

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    10. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by trezor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really hope that you are not actually surfing with Javascipt enabled.

      <sarcasm>Because as we all know, javascript can't be used to improve site functionality or reduce BW overhead in page updates.</sarcasm>

      I take it you've never ordered a plane-ticket online or used any site that actually uses javascript for good. For all you people saying javascript is all bad, I urge you to look at Gmail. That's a web-app at it's finest if you ask me.

      For the record: I have javascript enabled, and I almost never get popups. The annoyance of a popup every now and then hardly constitutes going back to the pre-javascript web.

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    11. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by Loonacy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm surprised no one (that i've seen) has posted this so far on this story:
      Popups died because they're DAMN ANNOYING! It's not because of the pop up blockers, they're only a symptom of the problem. If popups weren't so annoying, there would be no need for the blockers.
      In my opinion, the biggest reason for the decline of popups is how popular (with advertisers) they became. Most people see a popup and immediately close it without even looking at what it is. It's a reflex.
      Text ads just aren't so annoying, so not as many people feel the need to block them. But still, it's not one stamping out the other, it's one thriving and one dying, natural selection on the web.

    12. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by Reziac · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm accustomed to an *old* Netscape (still my fave and everyday browser) where Alt-F4 sensibly only closes the top window, rather than killing the whole applications. Spoiled me, it has :) (I have javascript disabled in NS, so there I *never* see popups, and one benefit of being old and braindead is that it's hard to fool since it ignores what it doesn't grok.)

      Your concept for popup management is very interesting, and could be extended into the functions for selective blocking. Tho from what I've heard of some sites, such a sidebar would rapidly be overwhelmed by dozens of ad popups. So there'd need to be some sort of pre-filtering.

      Your concept could be further extended to generate user-specified behaviour for different types of popups, as best they can be automagically filtered.

      But the ONLY sites I've heard of where unrequested popups are *required* for functionality are those run by banks and tax preparers, and in my experience even there they are totally unnecessary (in fact, are a symptom of poor usability overall... so maybe global death-to-popups is the best solution in the end).

      As to the sneak-by-filter ads, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there either. The one I saw lately didn't seem to have anything unusual about it, except that Moz failed to block it. Could be that someone's buggy script tickled a matching bug in Moz: Shortly thereafter I got the first hard crash I've seen with Moz v1.5, so my notion that it might have hit a bug may well be correct. (It did send off a crash report.)

      As to flash killing, I use prefbar, tho an older version, and it only seems to block about half the flash ads. When I install Seamonkey I'll have to update prefbar too. Must be something different in how embedded objects are handled that lets flash sneak by.

      Come to think of it, a selective blocker for embedded objects would be a Good Browser Feature. That way we could control flash, forced noises, forced video downloads (yes, I've seen that -- real fun on dialup), and whatever other annoying nonsense some webmaster with more ego than brains wants to inflict on us.

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    13. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Most of the new versions of pop-unders use Javascript to sneak past the pop-up blockers. I really hope that you are not actually surfing with Javascipt enabled.

      That's why you use NoScript. You can selectively enable JavaScript for those sites that really need it and leave it off everywhere else.

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    14. Re:The Google-fication of the facts by pthisis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I seem to remember that even though Google was much talked about in 2000, it had yet to become the preminent search engine it is today.

      Remember that Google was the preeminent search engine (as far as effectiveness) for over a year before it left "beta" status--it had supplanted Altavista and Lycos well before then among the technically sophisticated. And then note that Google dropped the "beta" label in September of 1999. By then it was clearly the market leader technologically and possibly the leader by market share.

      By June of 2000, Yahoo was using Google to do all their searches and it had clearly surpassed the alternatives by market share.

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  3. I like google as much as the next guy... by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but what a stretch. Even Hemos notes it:

    I'd actually that while the text ads had something to do with it, the massive growth in pop-up/under blockers made a large difference as well.

    ( ignoring missing words and all. I have no room to talk in that dept )

    Can we please attribute things to where they belong? google may be the second coming of Christ, who knows, but let's try to keep their achievements realistic.

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    1. Re:I like google as much as the next guy... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pop up blockers have nothing to do with the reduction of in-page (ie, non-popup) flash ads and the like. I do believe that, for the most part, these have been declining as well. I think this can be attributed at least in part to Google's push for text ads.

    2. Re:I like google as much as the next guy... by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Informative

      google may be the second coming of Christ, who knows, but let's try to keep their achievements realistic.

      Their achievements are all they are cracked up to be. They started with basically nothing, used Linux, redefined searching as we know it, AND were able to be advertiser supported with very unobtrusive ads. I'm not talking about their popup ads don't popup other ads, I'm not talking about not so annoying animated gifs. I'm not talking about not so annoying flash ads. They use all text based ads that are effective and not thrown in our face like billboards, or product placement ads in movies, just simple text ads that are often less than 10 words.

      Oh, and to my knowledge, google does no direct advertising themselves. A real product doesn't need to.

      I think we all owe them a good thank you, and I wish other companies would learn from their success.

  4. Pop-up ads are coming back by davidwr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lately thanks to animation-plugins and other technologies, I've seen a rash of annoying pop-up and "peel-back" ads. Anything that covers existing content without me explicly asking it to do so is by definition annoying.

    I'm waiting for someone who has the skill to update Firefox so plugins cannot overwrite areas of the screen already used by text and graphics. Either that or put in white space for the part of the screen the ad will eventually take over, so the ad doesn't obscure the real content.

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    1. Re:Pop-up ads are coming back by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hear you on that one. tek-tips.com does it, which is where I find myself a lot when I search for various web development bugs, and tsn.ca, (Canadian sports news site) also does it, which made me start using nhl.com instead (since I only read hockey news anyway.)

    2. Re:Pop-up ads are coming back by CokeBear · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why not CBC Sports? If you're a Canadian taxpayer, you've already paid for it anyway! (And most of the ads are unobtrusive, and for other Canadian government things like the Postal Service)

      CBC Sports

      CBC Hockey

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    3. Re:Pop-up ads are coming back by up2ng · · Score: 3, Informative

      Flashblock !!

      The second greatest plugin for Firefox, Adblock being the first

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  5. Google doing banners too by jaiyen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interestingly, if you're an Adsense publisher nowadays there's a lot more options for banners and graphical ads for what used to be a text only scheme. The banners seem to get a reasonable CTR too.

    I think what killed the old style banner ad was not so much text ads, but the fact that the Google text ads were well targeted compared to the moronic "hit the monkey!!" banner ads. I know many ad publishers also became annoyed at the banner ads which seem specifically designed to get a low click-through rate, thereby getting maximum branding exposure for the advertiser at minimum cost. I reckon any ad publisher is forever grateful to Google for revolutionising this system.

  6. Re:I think pop-up blocking browsers helped too by robnauta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Definitely. Pop-ups and po-unders are annoying, but stoppable.
    However, something which is much more annoying are those banner ads that use flash to make the ad creep out of the 400x80 banner and fill the whole browser window with a large animation for 10 seconds.

  7. Crazy pop-up/under ad blitz is alive and well... by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe for the big corporate sites. But massively invasive advertising is alive and well.

    Turn off your pop-up blocker, turn on flash and check out PWInsider for a great example. If you have access to a Windows box check it out with IE, it's mind boggling...

    Obviously, they are including tons of ads not for the purpose of gaining ad revenue as much as they are including tons of them to get people to buy a membership.

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  8. Capitalism at work? by altoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's not forget why text ads and pop-up blockers became popular in the first place... People demanded it! I don't know a single person that likes intrusive advertising like the pop-unders and the flash animations that come on top of everything else. What the google ads show is what everyone should have known before... The internet is a place where people come looking for you, and when that's the case, you don't need loud, fancy graphics, you only need enough information for them to identify your product (text).

    1. Re:Capitalism at work? by ScottSCY · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right on. Intrusive advertising makes me a lot less likely to a) buy the product or even b) return to the website that had the intrusive ad. I had been using GAIM and just for kicks I decided to download the new version of AIM the other day to see if they had actually added anything useful to it. Well, to make a short story shorter, they hadn't. Even worse, while chatting with a friend, harry potter flew out of my buddy list on a broomstick. Scared the shit out of me. I quickly closed AIM and reopened GAIM.

    2. Re:Capitalism at work? by HD+Webdev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's not forget why text ads and pop-up blockers became popular in the first place... People demanded it!

      I think it would be fair to say that the Slashdot crowd as a whole has always had higher average bandwidth access than the masses. This difference probably is much more narrow compared to a couple of years ago.

      People did demand those blockers and my customers seemed to not be so much bothered by the fact of the ads themselves, it was the nightmare of navigating the web at 28-56K and often downloading more advertising per page than actual content.

      A lot of people that I've dealt with didn't really care about the ads if they had ISDN/DSL/CABLE unless they were seeing massive amounts of popup windows per page. It was the dialup people who spent 60+ seconds to load a page that otherwise would have taken a small portion of that time who were the most actively pissed off in my experience.

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  9. I couldn't use text ads by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember in the early days of the bot com boom I worked at a startup where we would host websites for free in exchange for the right to add unobtrusive text advertisements. Strangly while many people were interested in having us host their sites, NO advertisers would make a deal with us. They insisted on banner or popup ads only.

  10. Other ad annoyances by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...and how it is largely responsible for the demise of the odious pop-under ad.
    Good! Perhaps they can help us get rid of other annoying ads, such as eye-wrenching Flash animations, or innocent-looking ads that play a sound when you roll the mouse over them. Some of those are bad enough to give you a heart attack if you have the sound turned way up.
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  11. Not just Google by lheal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe Google had some effect, but I think they were just part of the more general backlash against such ads.

    Nobody but the parasuits liked them. Everyone savvy enough to know how to turn them off did so. I'd wager some people even quit web browsing over them.

    Google didn't want them because 1) they slurp bandwidth and B) they can't be tracked for content and $) because they don't fit the Google "no evil" culture.

    Those reasons pretty much coincide with how the rest of us saw them, too. Except for the pervs, that is. (Camera to spy on wife in shower? Ooh, baby!)

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    1. Re:Not just Google by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Funny

      You need a camera to spy on your wife in the shower? I think most happy couples can just use eyeballs....

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    2. Re:Not just Google by erice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google didn't want them because 1) they slurp bandwidth and B) they can't be tracked for content and $) because they don't fit the Google "no evil" culture.

      Sort of. When Google started, it was a graduate research project. At that time, the commercial search engines were inudated with graphical ads and were quite slow because of it. Google didn't have any ads and, as largely because of that, was much more responsive. A lot of people really liked that. Google remained ad free long after it became a company, largely, I think, to avoid annoying their users. Revenue came from "private" applications, not from the Internet search engine. Eventually, Google wanted to gain revenue directly from Internet search. Banner ads would lose them users in the short run and valuable PR in the long run. Text ads were an ingenious and, non-obivious solution. Would advertizers get results? Would users still be annoyed? The rest is history.

  12. Text ads work by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny
    And these text ads are oh-so-effective. Entering "fusion reactors" on Google gets a sponsored link

    Fusion Reactors
    Looking for Fusion Reactors?
    Find exactly what you want today
    www.eBay.com

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    1. Re:Text ads work by AEton · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you ask me, it's all been downhill lately. They used to be a lot better.

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  13. but check some stats by tehwebguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd actually argue that while the text ads had something to do with it, the massive growth in pop-up/under blockers made as much of a difference, if not even more.

    but i'm pretty that annoying ads, even tricky pop-under ones, never had the kind of click % that google ads to.

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  14. Tamed? by DigitalWar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't say internet ads have been tamed. Sure there are less popups and popunders. But whatabout all the new ones which cover the page (Fox is a major offender here), or noisy ads (I don't know if America got subjected to the jamster ads much).

  15. Kompressor by parasonic · · Score: 2, Funny

    This brings back some fond memories of a song that I once heard by Kompressor about the said X10 popups...

    girl is naked, take a movie
    girl is looking, picture cutie
    you buy thing from pop up banner
    you get wallet, purchase camera

    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads
    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads

    window pop up on the screen
    taking control of my machine
    making all internet user insane
    x10 profit goes down the drain

    girl is naked, take a movie
    girl is looking, picture cutie
    you buy thing from pop up banner
    you get wallet, purchase camera

    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads
    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads

    the economy failing is x10 fault
    popping up window is computer assault
    window popup again and again
    only solution is crush x10

    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads
    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads
    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads
    we must destroy x10, we must destroy all internet ads

  16. Re:I think pop-up blocking browsers helped too by richlv · · Score: 4, Informative

    lately it's even worse than that. because of the situation you describe, i have been browsing with flash disabled for some time (easy to do in opera, though it takes all other plugins with it ;) ). and somewhat lately i see some nasty, annoying floating ads that are coded in javascript (i think. maybe java, but i don't think so).

    for some reason that crap floats on top of the content, and doesn't go away. usually i just hit f12 and deselect java & javascript, then reload the page, i have considered disabling java[script] by default, but at least for javascript that would require pretty often pressing f12, so i leave it enabled for now.

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  17. Adblock by DrJAKing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are there adverts on the internet then? WTF...

    True enough though, for a while I couldn't be bothered to filter Google's ads. Nowadays I find RIP and CustomizeGoogle keep the interface nice and clean.

    Useful links for those that like to make their own mind up:

    http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
    http://www.customizegoogle.com/
    http://rip.mozdev.org/index.html
    http://adblock.mozdev.org/
    http://www.pierceive.com/

    And for those that might bleat "without advertising, many sites would fail" I say Good. Let those sites fail. Give me micropayments and an honest relationship.

    1. Re:Adblock by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And for those that might bleat "without advertising, many sites would fail" I say Good. Let those sites fail.

      Actually, you don't really have to care.

      You're in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation with everyone else visiting those sites. You may choose to block, or not to block.

      If you block, and everyone else blocks, you don't get bothered by ads, and the site soon fails. Bad.
      If you don't block, and everyone else blocks, you get bothered by ads, and the site STILL fails. Awful.
      If you don't block, and nobody else blocks, you get bothered by ads, and the site survives. Good.
      If you block, and nobody else blocks, you don't get bothered by ads, and the site survives. Great!

      Now, since Everyone Else will make their own choices, and you cannot significantly influence them in that choice, you might as well please yourself. You may therefore block ads with a clear conscience.

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    2. Re:Adblock by damiam · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you shoplift, and everyone else shoplifts, you get free stuff, but the store soon fails. Bad.
      If you don't shoplift, and everyone else shoplift, you spend a lot of money, and the store STILL fails. Awful.
      If you don't shoplift, and nobody else shoplift, you spend money, and the store survives. Good.
      If you shoplift, and nobody else shoplifts, you get free stuff, and the store survives. Great!

      Before anyone gets all pissy, I'm not trying to equate adblocking with theft, morally speaking. But the cause/effect situation is similar. One person shoplifting is not going to significantly affect the bottom line of a business, and will probably not cause prices to go up. But that doesn't mean shoplifting is OK. This is where the tragedy of the commons comes in - if we all block ads/shoplift/let our cattle graze on the commons, then there will be nothing left for anyone and we all lose. That's the flaw in your argument - just because you have a small impact doesn't mean you have no impact.

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  18. Re:I think pop-up blocking browsers helped too by rizzo420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    some of those have a skip link so you go to view the ad and then you click the skip link right away and you're at the store... i actually like those rather than news sites that don't allow you to view unless you either pay for a username or you have to sign up for a free username...

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  19. Re:X10 ad museum - disappointed with product by borkus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got several of those cameras and was disappointed with the results. Apparently, bikini clad women were not lounging around my house when I was away at work. If they had been, I would have asked them to do a litle vacuuming.

  20. What's that, a Google PR stunt? by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone who is using AdWords knows that Google introduced standard (graphical) banners in skyscraper format a while ago... The only reason why text ads became so popular is that AdSense was made available in a very simple way to many small web sites that would have a hard time finding paying advertisers otherwise (and of course Google's popularity helped too).

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  21. Obligatory Aqua Teen Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.yzzerdd.com/

    Wwwyzzerdd. Three ws, two zs, and two ds.

  22. X10 not a bad company IMHO by tomcres · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I actually bought my TiVo Series2 from them. They were selling a 140-hour for what the 80-hour cost elsewhere. I have to admit that their aggressive advertising turned me off to even considering buying from them, regardless of price... but in the end, I'm glad I overcame my prejudice and did business with them. There was a problem with my card and their customer service was very quick to let me know, and was very courteous and understanding about the situation.

    However, I did let them know that their ads tend to be very obnoxious and intrusive and they almost lost me as a potential customer because of it (they asked how I'd heard of X10-- who hasn't heard of X10 that's used a web browser??!). It's a shame when good companies alienate potential customers in that way. And it wasn't even one of their ads that got me, anyway. It was PriceGrabber or MSN Shopping or something like that. They happened to have the best price. My purchase was actually in spite of their ads, not because of them.

  23. Smart Advertisers Bought into Text Ads by xoip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google Ads made it possible to target advertising dollars in a way marketing managers could only dream of before. Text ads provide pinpoint market segmentation to advertisers, and was probably a strategic move do avoid higher bandwidth costs associated with Images. Once Google lights up their dark fibre, watch for an increase in Google Banners by companies looking for brand recognition rather than sales. Those like x10 (maybe your favorite VOIP company)who have no focus and listen to their ad agencies blow millions dollars by tossing stuff at people who are interested in their stuff.

  24. Pop-up blockers boosted Firefox more, Google also by CodeShark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My experience might be a bit different, but it was Firefox's unobtrusive addition of a Pop Up Blocker that was the single most important change between the bad old days and now.

    Why? the Netscape browser was dying, IE Version whatever was the buggy, proprietary, virus-target of the day only other thing out there, and because MS is also in the advertising game via MSN, etc., they weren't about to give users the ability to turn off a specific class of advertisements without making it odious.

    Then Firefox declares war via pop-up blocker, and within a short time the early adopters (who are really the most important predictor of future technological trends, methinks) were moving in droves away from IE, and I don't think I was more than a few days behind them.

    Same time, Google's model saves me bandwidth and eye strain, and --ka- boom!!-- between the two the 'Net returned to being a useful tool with one tenth the amount of pain.

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  25. Everyone can earn money by vivekg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another reason is Google ads are related to what your visitors are looking for on your site, it makes more sense to visitor to click on it. I do not think so before Google any one offered ads where any one could sign in to Adsense and earn money. So it is like small publisher grows with money and google makes more money.

    But hold on Google Adsens offers Onsite Advertiser option too i.e. If some one likes your site they might able to advertises it via Google Adwords program. It is an extension of Google site targeting that makes it easier for advertisers to bid on *any* site.

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  26. Money by trollable · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is no moral here, people go for what works. For the webmasters (hosting the ads), AdSense text ads means more money because these ads are targeted and received more clicks. They are also less annoying. For the advertisers, text ads means less money because these ads are targeted and received only valuable clicks. They are also quite well perceived. So I would say the decline of popups is not due to text ads but to *targeted* and *less* intrusive ads. BTW, popups (being for ads or not) are considered something bad (in terms of ergonomy).

  27. Re:I think pop-up blocking browsers helped too by EdZep · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try the NoScript extension for Firefox. Gives you a context menu from an icon in the status bar, where you can flip scriting on -- permanently or temporarily -- for a particular web site.

  28. More invasive by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many sites have even more invasive ads now that everyone is using pop-up blockers. Things like the annoying paid links (double underlined) with huge tooltips inserted in the middle of articles, dhtml pop-overs, "infomercial" style text ads in the middle of articles.

    There was some research done recently showing that the sheer number of (non-internet) adverts we see every day has just caused people to develop better ways of filtering them out.

  29. Re:I think pop-up blocking browsers helped too by NickFortune · · Score: 2, Informative
    firefox, adblock, adblock plus and NoScript

    These problems are solvable :)

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  30. FasterFox Blocks Some Ads by TheZorch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FasterFox, a network optimization extension for FireFox not only improves the performance of the browser but also helps block some ads. Its can block adds that use Macromedia popups which are designed to bypass standard pupup blockers.

    Don't know if this stops X10's ads or not but you can try it.

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  31. Google's impact was very important by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Informative
    As others have noted, Google didn't cause the radical diminishing of obnoxious ads all by themselves, but their role was very important. At a time when other search engines were still stuck on the "throw as much at the user as possible" model, which was intended to make search engines "sticky" destinations, Google went with a clean, user-centered interface.

    Their emphasis on the user was applied to ads as well. They recognized that text ads are less visually intrusive than image ads. So their refusal to allow banner ads in their results was great for users. But the real importance of this move was made important when advertisers began migrating to Google in droves. They discovered that text ads actually provide better long-term results than banner ads. Google forced advertisers to examine an approach web interface experts had been advocating for some time.

    Yes, all this excitement about Google's role seems like deification, but Google really did change the landscape. They did it with a user-centered approach, which the prevailing players at the time simply did not have. Whether Google will continue to keep the interests of its users in mind is an open question, but their advertising model has radically altered the playing field in a good way.

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