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When Halo Met DOA
The official Bungie site is running an article entitled The Making of SlugFest, the story of how a Spartan ended up in Dead or Alive 4. From the article: "Initially, team Ninja wanted, and asked very politely, for Master Chief. Well, we balked at that. Master Chief is busy, fictionally speaking. We left him at the end of Halo 2, involved in a very large scale galactic conflict with world-ending repercussions. Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs. But we loved the idea of seeing a Spartan fight, unarmed. You have to figure they'd be pretty serious pugilistic contenders right? Half ton of bio-mechanically enhanced armor-clad uber-trained soldiering nightmare? Has to have at least a decent right hook."
Half ton of bio-mechanically enhanced armor-clad uber-trained soldiering nightmare?
surprise! that's actually an angry PTA soccer mom.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Impressive melding of two games that don't know when to come out.
Was this a slow submissions day or something? You're telling me no single submitter decided to post this?
Well, you can see why Zonk had to take affirmative action! Never mind those stories in the submissions box!! This one had Master Chief AANDD The Dead or Alive Girls!!
May the Maths Be with you!
So, is this what you call a "paid advertisement", or a "paid story"?
I can't figure out the difference.
This was posted purely to get the Japanese excited about the Xbox 360 because even at $150 they won't touch it.
Or maybe Zonk's just lonely.
Thunderclone: ONE MAN ENTERS! TWO MEN LEAVE! ONE MAN ENTERS! TWO MEN LEAVE!
Half ton of bio-mechanically enhanced armor-clad uber-trained soldiering nightmare?
I don't know Dead or Alive (I would never buy an XBox), but I'm sure all his armor and stuff won't help him against some Japanese teenage girl in a school uniform.
She'll beat him up. They just didn't want this to happen to their beloved Master Chief.
I don't need a signature.
And people chastize Nintendo for putting Mario in 3/4 of its first party titles. Oh, the irony is delicious.
Why are people saying this is paid ad? They must either not have played either game or just want to post for the sake of good karma! I for one enjoy playing both halo games and the DOA series (since the saturn) and am looking forward to seeing the spartan nicole in doa4 when it comes out early next year!
Wow, did anybody else notice how awful the navigation is on that page?
"It was hell!" recalls former child.
Let's look at a modern day example; Take one of our best marines (or your favorite blend), take away his gun, and put some armor on him. Then match him/her against Bruce Lee. Bruce would win, and that is the same situation they would be in in DOA. [Man, I haven't argued about something like this since college] Oh! and ha! obvious Troll against XBox since at least one DOA has come out on Saturn, Dreamcase, PS1 and PS2 also.
We don't have Mjolnir armor yet.
Let me put it this way: Would Bruce Lee win against a tank?
It's really hard to say how this should work. A Spartan punch, if it lands, should go straight through anything human. You'd not only have to block it, you'd have to block it with a sort of throwing reversal, essentially a dodge -- anything to avoid taking that much force directly.
The only reason you can whack Spartans to death in the back of the head in Halo is the fact that you're doing it with another Spartan. What would happen if a human tried that? Clonk!
It's a bit more fair than actually using Master Chief, though. The Chief has a personal shield. I doubt there's anything like that in DOA.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Nerrrrrrrd!
Well, Indiana Jones beat a tank, and he's pretty tough. And on this basis, I feel Bruce Lee could probably beat Indiana Jones.
So the question becomes: Is this sort of thing transitive?
Trust me, I'm a doctor.
It surely must be a requirement to work at a Japanese company to nitpick over the tiniest of insignificant details anal-retentively. I should know.
And that's why I had a good laugh at this article...., because I'd bet my bento money that Team Ninja debated over the shade of dirt and scuff marks on the Spartan uniform for at least seveal hours, rejecting certain shades at last 7 times before working late into the night until midnight when they could finally decide on the exact pixel outline of the scuff mark on the outfit. Then they went home and had 3 hours sleep in a capsule hotel before coming to work again - only to rechange the exact position and color of the scuff mark for the 12th time before lunch.
READY.
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Well, Indiana Jones beat a tank, and he's pretty tough. And on this basis, I feel Bruce Lee could probably beat Indiana Jones.
:)
So the question becomes: Is this sort of thing transitive?
I was going to make a redundant complaint about such an obvious story-vertisement, but that post made the story worth it. Well played.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
"Has to have at least a decent right hook."
Well let's hope a decent left hook as well. If we have a super soldier on our hands that isn't ambidexterious I think we've got a bigger problem on our hands.
Actually, this is the theme of Soul Edge the first Soul Calibur game. Mitsurugi is seeking the cursed blade Soul Edge in order to fight enemies who use guns, which I guess he feels makes his lifetime of training worthless. In fact in one of Mitsurugi's endings, you get to fight his nemesis, a rifleman, as I recall.
Oh, it's also an important plot element in Once Upon a Time in China, as the character Yim says "No matter how good our kung-fu is, it will never defeat guns."
As an aside, from the Mitsurugi Wikipedia article:
Where do they prohibit Samurai and Ninjas in video games?"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
I remember that ending. I was so startled at the very idea of it that I just stood there while he shot me through the head.
The game only gives you one try.
Seems like they didn't want to infringe on the Master Chief 'brand' by putting him in another SPARTAN (pretty much indentical) to please fans, why not just let team ninja used the Master Chief?
I must say though, the halo fighting level does look very well done and sharp.
Business Voyeur
When Marketing met Video Games.
It's a cross-promotion, nothing special here.
So there are female spartans now? I guess having a male spartan was "not Master Chief" enough. So now it's Master Chief with Super Armor boobies? Looks pretty lame to me.
Anybody read those Halo books? (what am I talking about, this is slashdot, of course you have) Is there any precedent in the Halo universe for female spartans? I was kinda under the impression that spartan were almost manufactured, cloned maybe, and enhanced to be supa-stong. What would be the benefit of having a female? Or do they need female ones to make little baby ones?
I want to play a baby-spartan! maybe a kart game with little baby spartans with big heads??
sweet.
FUNK!
Hayabusa (char in DOA) in Ninja Gaiden (XBox version) destroys tanks and big ass crap. Kasumi can beat up Hayabusa, so that means she can beat those Halo wimps.
Oh, and the same thing happened to me, blam! thud!
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
Battle Arena Toshinden series had a riflemen in the later games - in the second game he was a hidden character - a mad vagrant named Vermillion wielding a shotgun and pistol. In the 3rd game they lost a lot of the charm by converting him into some Bond-esque spy villain.
Of course, BAT was a horribly balanced and primitively modeled mess, but it was a fun fighter back when the only other 3d fighter was Virtua Fighter (which I found dull).
In Bushido Blade you have to go up against a revolver guy. Man is he tough.
In Bushido Blade II you get a M16 girl for mini-boss. I had to keep on running around untill her bullets gets used up.
The guy with the rifle at the end of Soul Blade was called Tanegashima.
I seem to remember someone plugging in a cheat code one time that made him playable, I remember he didn't have many moves (bayonet stab, rifle butt type stuff), and it took a long time to actually load and fire the rifle, but it was a one-shot kill.
Spelling, grammar, punctuation? We need something that checks logic.
The ground beat the tank, Dr. Jones SENIOR beat the people driving the tank.
Another thing I loved about Soul Edge, really obscure historical references. I mean, it mentions the Italian Wars in reference to Voldo's employer the Merchant of Death, Vercci.
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
Given that said Japanese girl can jump off of a 10+ story building without skipping a beat, you'd probably need to be an armor-clad uber-trained soldier to have a fair chance of winning ...
Samus would pwn her, especially given the amount of training she has had via Smash Bros.
I'm not scared of anonymous cowards.
Made me realize how much Master Chief resembles Fulgore of Killer Instinct but without the ponytail and long fingernails.
But consider these dates:
MC of Halo via MMIV of Marathon c1991
vs
Fulgore of Killer Instinct c1993
"Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs."
Fictionally speaking, who gives a shit? He's a video game character, he can do whatever the hell he wants. What's next? "Oh, we had this awesome idea for a minigame in Halo 3, but fictionally speaking, it just didn't make any sense for the storyline, so we scrapped it.".
That's the kind of bullshit that makes me avoid many of the sports games currently on the market.
Luckily, they probably just said that as a way of sidestepping the real issue. Bungie didn't want their main character in Tecmo's game. I hope that's the case. I really do.
"When the atomic bomb goes off there's devastation...but when the atomic bong goes off there's celebraaaaation!"
Also on the topic of tanks and fighting games, Bryan in Tekken 3's animation is of him ripping the turret off of a tank and throwing it. (At least, I think it was Bryan. And Tekken 3.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
WTF? When making Super Smash Bros., do you think they agonized over whether they could get the ice climbers because they'd be out on a mountain peak somewhere? Do you think they worried about whether Link could end up in the same place as Samus and Starfox? Fuck, they're probably not even from the same universe. Ditto for characters in DOA. I'm pretty sure those anime-leaping little girls aren't from the same universe as the Master Chef.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
By "Japanese teenage girl in a school uniform" I assume you meant "highly trained Japanese ninja who has magical abilities (and happens to have an optional school uniform available)"? If these ninjas can destroy ancient fiends, high-tech soldiers, cybernetic monsters, mythical Japanese demons, etc. (see Ninja Gaiden and the previous DOA games) I assume they can handle an unarmed soldier, regardless of how nice their armor and bio-mechanics are...
There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. -- Francis Bacon