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The Odds at Macworld

Moby Cock writes "Jason O'Grady has posted the odds on what is to be announced at the Macworld Expo beginning next week. Coming in at 100:1 is OS X 10.5 and even money on a new and sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks. Gentlemen, start your credit cards."

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  1. The odds? by sczimme · · Score: 4, Funny


    If this guy is there, I would say the "odds" are well represented.

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  2. Nah.... by millerjl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple will announce the release of a 3 button mouse after they realized what a hit they had with their 2 button model...

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    1. Re:Nah.... by theAtomicFireball · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sad thing is, all Mac software assumes one button so those extra buttons will be doing pretty much nothing the next few... decades or so...
      *Buzz* Thanks for playing.

      OS X has supported multiple buttons and scroll wheels natively since its very first release, as the OS's event architecture was originally designed to accommodate Next's three-button mouse. Apple continued to develop the multi-button support under OS X despite shipping a single-button mouse. Most OS X applications (Cocoa, Carbon, and even Java) have always automatically taken advantage of the OS-level support for scroll wheels and right-clicking for basic tasks (e.g. copy, cut, paste) without doing anything, plus OS X developers routinely add additional contextual menus and other types of support for modern mice. I don't know a single OS X developer who routinely uses a single button mouse, and I've met a good number of them. On top of that, I believe that the Mighty Mouse's buttons are fully customizable in the System Preferences (not sure on that - I still use an old Logitech mouse on my Mac)

      OS X applications never require a multi-button mouse, but they almost universally support them.
    2. Re:Nah.... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Informative
      Where have you been? The 'Mighty Mouse' has 4 'buttons' already


      In my experience, the 'Mighty Mouse' is difficult to use as a two-button mouse, because if you have a finger resting on the "left-button region" of the mouse, tapping on the "right-button region" gets interpreted as left-clicking rather than right-clicking. In order to successfully do a right-click, you have to remember to lift your finger off of the left-button region first, which is really unintuitive and annoying.


      Have other people noticed this problem also, or am I doing something wrong?

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    3. Re:Nah.... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's true. It doesn't work well with right-handed use. Still, for having the easiest scroll ball, having the easiest side scrolling, and the easiest middle button of any scroll mouse, I think it still wins, just not as large of a margin as it should.

      The side buttons are kind of worthless though, given how much force it takes to activate.

  3. check with the lawyers by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can always tell which rumors are true by the rapid-fire Apple lawsuits to the websites responsible.

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  4. iLife '06 comes in at 10:1 by carou · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Personally I'd have said this was a dead certain - all the previous versions have come in at MacWorld with an annual release cycle. Surely the only question is what new features will be in it?

    • Front Row?
    • New program providing PVR functionality?
    • Blogging tool? - actually no, that should go in .Mac instead.
    • Backup moved from .Mac to iLife?
    • Finance program or tax calculator?

    1. Re:iLife '06 comes in at 10:1 by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd like to see what Apple could produce in this area.

      As would I, however, in the meantime, perhaps this may interest you.

  5. Price increases for iTunes by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no problem paying $.99 for a song, but i will pay no more. This happens and I will be looking other places for my music for my iPod. They have to pay none of the traditional distribution costs of CD's, so they shouldn't even be the price they are now. you want to be greedy, i'll look elsewhere.

    1. Re:Price increases for iTunes by jocknerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well considering that it wouldn't be Apple's choice to raise the prices, I would think it might be pretty hard to find lower prices from legitimate online stores.

      Personally, I don't care if the prices go to a tiered structure. I don't buy the "hits" so the songs I'd purchase would probably come out cheaper than $.99.

    2. Re:Price increases for iTunes by JWW · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would have to agree with you. The music industry is looking INSANELY greedy with this move. I hope Apple holds out and holds their feet to the fire.

      My prediction: If Apple goes to $ 1.99 for popular songs (read all but a small token number of the songs on the sight), allofmp3.com will begin to become an _enourmous_ hit (think Napster at its height). The RIAA is going to absolutely freak out and do everything in their power to shut them down. The funny thing is that that sight is bringing true market dynamics to selling music online (along with giving customers what they want, no DRM crap), but as much as they _say_ they are capitalists, the RIAA is just a price fixing oligarchy.

    3. Re:Price increases for iTunes by croddy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      As I understand it, under Russian law, internet distribution of audio recordings is viewed as we would view cable television -- it's a transmission, not a copy. If you've secured broadcast rights (and they have), then you can transmit audio recordings over a network cable.

      Musicians obtain the vast majority of their income from live performances. Recordings serve the same purpose as radio play -- to promote performances. AllofMP3 does not represent a market failure.

      There was music before there were records or radios. Selling copies of pre-recorded music is a very recent phenomenon for this art form. The disappearance of substantial cash flow from record sales will not harm our musical culture.

    4. Re:Price increases for iTunes by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      allofmp3.com is not illegal in russia, that's why RIAA bought a resolution on the american senate on an atempt to bully russia into passing some sort of DMCA. here.

      now let the "soviet russia" jokes begin.

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  6. Gentlemen, start you credit cards. by mynickwastaken · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have a colleague which likes almost everything coming from Apple.
    In the last time I have the impression that he is working, here in our company, for nothing.
    I told him, that would be much easier, to talk with the payroll, so that they send his salary directly to Apple.

  7. Stupid odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where the hell are the odds for overblown hype?

  8. The irony by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:
    Apple has recruited a bunch of former Sony VAIO engineers for the project and the PowerBook successor is rumored to be 20-25 percent thinner.

    Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

    1. Re:The irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing new. Sony designed the PB100.

    2. Re:The irony by ThaFooz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

      I think Mac zelots (arguably myself included) are more enamored with the OS than the hardware. My gripe with PC manufactures out there is a lot of shoddy support, bottom-of-the-barrel parts, and bulky/ugly laptop design and only a handfull of gems.

    3. Re:The irony by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ''Nothing can come good from offering an ultra thin laptop.

      The thinner it is, the more suspectible it is to braking. ''

      Absolutely. I always slow down very gently when I have one in my car. It is so susceptible to braking, I suspect it would break if I brake too hard.

  9. Upcoming products by pieterh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Improved video iPod with larger horizontal screen
    2. More tie-ins with TV producers

  10. Who cares about the pro users? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    O'Grady writes :"Hopefully it'll be the PowerBook nano I've been dreaming of. Unfortunately, it's not likely as the pro software (Final Cut, Creative Suite, etc.) isn't universal binary yet. Rosetta emulation isn't fun folks. Odds: 50-1."

    So, basically, he's saying that because a certain segment of the userbase will be waiting a little while, EVERYONE should wait?

    If Apple doesn't ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting, because they certainly aren't going to buy G4 powerbooks unless they absolutely have to. If Apple does ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting for their apps to be shipped as Universal binaries.

    So, given that these customers are ogoing to be waiting either way, why shouldn't Apple get hardware on the market to serve the customers who *can* buy now? Customers for whom XCode is their main app, not Photoshop or Final Cut.

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    1. Re:Who cares about the pro users? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, given that these customers are ogoing to be waiting either way, why shouldn't Apple get hardware on the market to serve the customers who *can* buy now?

      Because unlike every other laptop vendor out there, Apple is all about the full experience, not just the box. If Apple did what you're describing, why wouldn't people just go buy a Dell, or a Sony instead? It's the same hardware for the most part now...

      If they want to keep their premium rep, they can't ship the new hardware until *all* of the new software is ready.

    2. Re:Who cares about the pro users? by cosmo7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Historically,

      Apple switches to 32-bit clean 68K: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to System 7.0: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple starts using 68040: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to PowerPC: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple starts using SMP: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop
      Apple switches to OS X: Adobe promptly updates Photoshop

      So except for these events you're correct. If you want a laggard, try Quark.

  11. They forgot the.. by majest!k · · Score: 5, Funny

    Odds that Steve Jobs won't wear black:

    999999999-1

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  12. My breakdown... by csoto · · Score: 5, Interesting


    10. OS 10.5 - not gonna happen. Apple is focused on Rosetta/Xcode QA for Mac OS X86. Whatever works well gets ported to 10.5 (think of 10.4 as the beta for X86)

    9. X86 Powerbook - Could be. I would bet on this one.

    8. iWork '06 - Could be. Who cares? I really like iWork '05. Pages is a treat, and Keynote is indespensible for me. But if they are working on a spreadsheet, yeah, this is the time to release it.

    7. iLive '06 - Unless it adds things similar to Front Row, I don't see that it needs anything more than bug fixes. I wouldn't bet on it.

    6. BT remote - Definitely going to be some kind of Front Row remote. Bluetooth? Probably. All new Macs have it, for several months now.

    5. iTunes price increases - Not gonna happen. Steve knows this market. The market will not ignore him, no matter how greedy they are. Too much money is being made.

    4. AirPort Ultra - Neat idea, but I won't bet on it. I would buy one, though :)

    3. 1GB iPod Nano - Don't think so. The shuffle fills this space, but that's not big enough for the Nano's market segment.

    2. X86 Mac Mini - I'd bet on this. I might even buy one for my parents. Their old IBM suck ass.

    1. Widescreen X86 iBook - This one is obviously going to happen, but probably not now. Apple will drop 4:3 format entirely, as will the rest of the world (showing they are, as always, technology leaders). They just won't cannibalize Powerbook sales with iBooks until they have milked it long enough.

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    1. Re:My breakdown... by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It will be interesting to see whether or not Apple will update the powerbook or iBook first. Obviously the powerbook needs a serious upgrading, although I love the powerbook that I bought in May of last year, if I didn't get $400 off due to a very generous campus promotion, I would have never bought it. The machine is way too underpowered compared to the competetion.
      That being said, the switch over to Intel is obviously going to be a big one and the chances for serious bugs is still high even with a lot of testing. Apple could try rolling out the mini/iBooks first to test the waters, knowing that pro customers make up a lot of Apple's revenues and are much less tolerant of bugs than say consumers.
      Regardless, twenty-aught-six should be an interesting year for Apple!

  13. I predict by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Funny
    It will be white and the name will begin with "i".

    I'm sure they'll keep flogging the iPod cash cow; maybe an iPod portable DVD player?

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  14. new and sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean if I buy one I will get laid for certain?

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  15. Inconsistencies... by djrogers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, a sexy new Intel based mac mini seems likely, but in light of that why are they only giving 10:1 odds on an iLife/Frontrow upgrade? It seems the new mini would be the perfect platform to add PVR functionality to, but with no upgrades/additions to iLife, it seems the new minis would move from a killer living room appliance to a minor curiousity...

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  16. Huh? by macwhizkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting speculation, but a lot of it just doesn't quite add up.

    -The AirPort "Ultra" would "be able to stream video to your TV - in High Definition". Where is all this HD content coming from? Not from the iTMS, not from DVDs. Assuming this AirPort is running 802.11g, streaming HD content is iffy at best. Apple is known for making things easy. I don't see how this could possibly fly as a consumer product. Maybe in another year or two, with faster WiFi and more HD content.

    -Jason reckons that the Intel PowerBooks won't be released because (despite all the engineering done) not all the pro software is written yet for Intel, and Rosetta emulation just isn't fun. But then his #1 prediction is for Intel iBooks? Doesn't make sense to me.

    -Why are iLife & iWork updates so unlikely (10% and 4% odds, respectively)? Unless Apple is just willing to let this software die (unlikely given relations with Microsoft), this is practically a given. Maybe not until summer, but the odds of an announcement or mention are more likely on the order of 50% - 75%, IMO.

    Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Guess I'll wait until next week to find out for sure.

  17. Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 5, Informative

    ". I wonder if he tries to reconcile this in some consumerist branch of Buddhism."

    Buddhism has a tenet known as "right livelihood", and for a layman selling consumer products doesn't violate it. Things like being a butcher, or selling intoxicants, or selling weapons would, but not the selling of computers, regardless of how pre-expo rumors can have a seemingly intoxicating effect on Mac fans.

    Technically, it's the users doing it to themselves.

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  18. I'm holding out for by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mac OS X 10.6 Liger.

    Known for its skills in magic.

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  19. Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Buddha would tell us that anyone who goes on about Buddhaism for more than two sentences is to be ignored because they do not get it.

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  20. SpeedBump's Mini wishlist by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's hoping that the new Mac Minis, whenever they arrive, have a few specific improvements:

    1) Optical Audio (we want surround sound!)
    2) Better DVD playback software (for a UI centered company like Apple, "DVD Player" program blows donkey wang)
    3) RF receiver (for my kick ass universal remote, or maybe Apple can make a bluetooth+RF remote)
    4) Better support for my TV (having to use VNC to set it up is beyond most people)

    I've been using a Mac Mini as my entertainment hub for a while now (almost a year), and its great. DVDs, AVI and WM files, ITunes though my stereo, internet surfing on my HD TV, flash, movie previews, games; the list goes on and on. Its quiet, low power, wakes quickly, and does what I want it to do.

    Oh, and can you guys please make it so I can autohide the menu bar? You know, like the dock can do.

    1. Re:SpeedBump's Mini wishlist by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 4, Informative

      The region issue and unskippable portions have to due with the DVD standard to which the DVD Player 'complies'. The content creator puts those lockdowns in there. i.e. MPIAA, production studio, etc. There are ways around those features but then you are breaking the law... Apple has to comply to those features or they will loose their ability to distribute the DVD player at all (they license the codes to unlock DVD's). DVDJon wrote DeCSS so he could simply 'play' DVD's under Linux with a side effect that you can also copy the DVD. DeCSS makes it possible to unlock a DVD without the authorized license codes. Therefore, it bypasses the DVD standard controls. DeCSS is included in most Linux systems so that's why it works so well for you.

  21. Why the "Replace Tivo" hardon? by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I dont understand this. Tivo right now, works perfect. It is the iPod of DVRs. The only way this will be replaced by Apple is if Apple releases a machine that can do CableCard HDTV recordings - And do it as simple and elegantly as Tivo can. We have a problem here, for this sort of recording, people will be wanting 500 gig or so of space. I hardly think you're going to be sticking this much space in a Mac Mini.

    I just dont think Apple is going to make a DVR to actually compete with Tivo. Let alone "defeat it in one fell swoop!!#!11111!!!".

    Might they make DVR software for say, college kids and such? With a little dongle for cable input? Sure. But this would hardly make any waves in the DVR market.

  22. Well my friend that works at Apple says... by BMonger · · Score: 4, Funny

    We all know about the U2 branded iPod... you've drooled over the Harry Potter laser engraved iPod... 2006 brings you a new revolution in branding.

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster iPod. This iPod includes a non-removable case for your iPod made out of durable foam latex. A respectable amount of "noodly appendages" keep the iPod off your desk and floating mysteriously in the air. This can be had for you and your loved ones for the price of... $599, $100 of which is donated directly to the beer volcano.

  23. That sound you hear? by TCQuad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't buy the "hits" so the songs I'd purchase would probably come out cheaper than $.99.

    That sound you hear in the background is thousands of executives worldwide laughing at your naiveté.

  24. Noooooooo! by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple's productivity suite will get upgrades to Pages and Keynote with the possible addition of a modern Office-killing spreadsheet application (rumored to be called "Numbers" or "Sheets"). If it reads and writes Excel files the Apple spreadsheet will be the final nail is Microsoft Office's coffin. Microsoft will waste no time in announcing the end of support for Office for the Mac if this happens.

    And then Apple can kiss all of its corporate sales goodbye. Nope, not gonna happen. Maybe a light-duty, somewhat-compatible spreadsheet for people to make little lists with, but Apple knows it will lose more in corporate hardware sales than it can ever make back with their little $99-a-pop suite.

    Besides, if there's one thing we have learned, it's that 100% compatibility with MS Office file formats is impossible. Can OOo do it? Can Quark or InDesign perfectly import Word docs? Hell, do MS Office for Mac and Win perfectly read each others' files? No, no, and no.

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    1. Re:Noooooooo! by NardofDoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell. Microsoft's own software doesn't import everything correctly.

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  25. Awh shucks, well if it makes you feel better by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Funny
    Don't worry, all those Mac clowns are wrong. The real OS is linux. Feel better now? Now I am off to an extended lunch as gentoo does an essential emerge that is ensure to take the whole working day if I can find the right nice settings.
    • Mac users don't produce because they are to busy worrying about scratches.
    • Linux package users don't produce because they are to busy sorting out the latest dependency nightmare.
    • Linux portage users will start producing right after this compile.
    • Windows users don't produce because the last porn page they visited rooted their machine. Or put another way. Everyone is productive on your windows machine.

    Wich can only lead to the conclusion that all the real work is being done on OS/2.

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  26. Pointless Macworld Story by shotgunefx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The last time I was at a Mac World was in the early 90s in Boston when I was a teen. I was supposed to be giving out free subscriptions to macworld magazine or something, but ended up mainly talking to Julie Strain and some other Penthouse Pets that were there promoting some Penthouse VCDs and the programmers of it. :)

    Some executive from Microsoft coming over and hanging out too. With the programmers, basically talking about some info John Carmack posted on Worldnet BBS about using Eigenvectors for color quantization of video to 256 colors. A great excuse to spend some time in their booth ;)

    When Carmack came up, of course so did Wolfenstein. I remember the MS guy talking about how it gave him motion sickness. LOL

    I was suprised by the sheer amount of porn there. They had one porn booth that was enclosed in a curtain with the hardcore stuff. There were so many dudes in there, when you walked by, you could see their shapes presses against the curtains. Like in the movies when the ghouls start coming out of the wall.

    Damn that's creepy. Last place I'm going to watch porn is pressed against 20 other dudes.

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  27. Quicken for mac by JerkBoB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quicken for Mac is awful.

    I'm glad to know I'm not alone in this sentiment. I tried migrating from Quicken 2005 for Windows (running in VMWare) to Quicken for Mac 2006 and it was a disaster. Migration issues aside, when I managed to get enough imported to start using it, it crashed left and right. Intuit's "support" consisted of a painful java-based chat with some ESL monkey who was totally unhelpful...

    Now I'm working on getting my money back and figuring out some other way to get my wife involved with the finances.

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  28. We're definitely getting Intel Macs. by GFLPraxis · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check ThinkSecret- they're almost always right, and cite reliable sources (the same ones that leaked the iPod Photo and Mac Mini originally) that we'll have an Intel iBook and Mini.

  29. Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    Curious how Jobs being buddhist, he is responsible for such slavering of desire (according to the above, amongst the 'ignorant') in the products he works to create

    I think you're misreading Buddhism. The Desire and Ignorance spoken of in the passage you quoted are personal in scope. One quenches his own desire, destroys his own ignorance, and thus (eventually) relieves his own suffering.

    The desire for the product exists in the individual consumer, who is his own responsibility. Do people really blame Steve Jobs for somehow forcing them to desire things? If you're "suffering" from desire for an iPod, that's your own damn problem.

    That said, it is wrong conduct to scheme and pursue gain for it's own sake, and one could argue that these are unavoidable for the CEO of a large corporation, but I suppose that's up to the adherent to decide.

    Hm it seems doubtful Apple products are actually the path to spiritual awakening.

    Who ever claimed they were?

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