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Dell Selling 30" Flat Panels
bling..bling writes "Apple is not the only company selling 30" flat panel monitors. Dell is now offering a 30" flat panel display that has a native resolution of 2560x1600 and sells for $2,199. Just like the apple 30" display you do need a dual link DVI video card to drive this massive beast. This monitor also sports four USB ports and a media card reader.
I've been waiting for Dell or someone else to release a 30" display and hopefully bring the prices down. I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device.
See the details on Dell's web site on the new Dell 3007WFP 30-inch widescreen digital flat panel monitor."
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Can't thet cut to the chase, how many dead pixels can i get stuck with? as their policy only seems to state:
And 2560x1600 is alot bigger than640x480
Plus for that price, I think i prefer 2 samsung high quality 19" flat panels with no dead pixels
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From Dell. That'd only cost you about $1600, and you could spend the other $600 on a good video card. You'd get a resolution of 2400x1920.
I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device.
that's great, except the human field of vision is wide, not tall. So the multi-monitor setup is more efficient.
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For the same money you can buy 4 (or even more) 19 inch screens.
Having several monitors gives you the ability to focus on the central screen while some applications (monitoring,chat,email, etc...) or on the side.
These monitors can be moved placed on top of eachother turned to a collega, etc.. so they provide you much more flexibility.
Also when one of the 4 screens dies thats not a big deal when your massive 30inch screen dies you have nothing.
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I don't know for you, but flat panels make my head hurt. Literally. I know they're the latest craze and all, but I get one big headache after 1 or 2 hours AutoCADing with one. I can go a lot longer with my 10 year old 21" CRTs without headaches. I guess it's the light source or something, because I tend to get headaches with neon lighting as well.
Too bad, because I really like the form factor (big tubes are space wasters) but unless they improve whatever it is that makes me sick, I'll stick with good ole CRTs.
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I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
I can't imagine there's a large group of manufacturers for 30" LCDs, so what even differentiates this from Apple's monitor besides price?
Apple 400:1 Contrast Ratio
DELL 700:1 Contract Ratio
Oh, and the apple one has a fancier bezel.
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* A higher contrast ratio is of course also possible if you get a different backlight and chooses the measuring point to give you that number, but if the response times are indeed lower, or different, it seems they realyy have a different panel. On the other hand, one could technically squeeze a bit of response time difference from using a different signal chip in the monitor.
Why is it that except for the very large 20"+ LCD monitors it's impossible to get 1600x1200 res or better? I bought a laptop 6 years ago that had UXGA+ 1600x1200 res but I can't find an LCD monitor anywhere on the planet under 20" with that res or better. Anyone know of one? Or, anyone know how to disassemble old UXGA+ laptop screens and reframe them with new adapaters so they can plug into a vid card? I just can't seem to understand the companies that sell these things, I know that 1280x1024 is the size they seem to sell but you take one look around the office of any company and you'll see 90% of the office has resized their screens to 800x600 or 1024x768. It seems silly of them to stop at 1280x1024.
The refresh methods of CRT's differ greatly from that of LCD's. Your eyes (or, rather, your eyes and your brain) are probably tuned to the CRT since you've been using that setup for a decade... Also, try adjusting the backlight intensity -- the LCD might actually be too bright for you!
Also, the geometry of the screen may be an issue too. I remember when the first generation of "flat" CRT televisions came out, people used to curved monitors thought that the image looked inwardly curved...
You may not have much of a choice -- CRT's are getting much more difficult to source these days, and when your current one dies, you may not even be able to buy a CRT that suits you!
I've ordered one, and it's set to arrive in a day or two. One interesting detail about the process is that Dell's website seems to consider it a system, rather than a monitor. This added some odd things (which were later stripped) such as a 7 day delay in shipping for "build" time.
I've been using dual 20" CRTs at home for a long time, but at work, I got a Dell LCD about 6 month ago. Having used it as my primary monitor for half a year I decided I was going to upgrade my home setup for Christmas. While looking for coupons for the 2405 though, I heard about the 3007, and decided to wait and get just one of those instead.
Apple's been selling their 30" for god knows how long now. Dell has now joined the game.
I expect that if Dell are using a more modern panel, then Apple will soon have an updated 30" product, not to compete but just because their 30" is due for an update... then again we are talking about Apple, who seem to forget about products once they're launched.
It'd be nice if both had more inputs though. I don't need that many 30" displays in the house, and considering my TV is a 24" widescreen CRT I think I'd switch entirely to the 30" computer display for everything. As a high end product I'd understand if it only offered, say, two HDMI inputs alongside the dual-link DVI. An svideo/SCART would be nice too though.
I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device.
Everyone knows the real display technology of the day is Toshiba's Surface-conduction electron-emitter display.
It's 100,000:1 contrast ratio, 1ms response time, and you can get it in 55".
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One of these monitors costs the same as 4 of Gateways FPD2185W widescreens. I know that it is a larger monitor, but would not 3-4 rotatable 20 inch wide screens be a better, more useful investment for most people?
There's not that much exciting stuff happening at the bleeding edge this time of year, so they're spending more editorial space on general interest issues where formerly bleeding edge things are going mainstream, which might be of interest to anyone looking to buy in the near future?
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DELL 700:1 Contract Ratio
The difference is that Dell is claiming figures based on smoking crack, and Apple's is actually somewhat reasonable. The first thing I did when I got my 20" from Dell, was calibrate it.
According to the calibration device (Eye-one Display2), none of the specs were even close. I think the "true" contrast ratio turned out to be more like 1:250, and when I did brightness testing- brightness on the panel actually went DOWN with time at any setting over "75"; Dell's design pretty clearly overdrives the backlight(probably damaging it), and it is probably to be able to brag an extra 30-40cd over "the competition". Which is hilarious, since the thing is so damn bright, I have to keep it on the lowest brightness setting.
Maybe I'll re-run the calibration right now and get actual numbers and post them as a follow-up, so you can see how lousy true specs are compared to what is claimed on paper.
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Dell's offer also comes with a 4-port USB hub and a 9-in-2 card reader. Apple's display has 2 firewire ports and 2 USB ports. A lot of people have said Dell is inflating their monitor's specs since both monitors use the same LCD panel. Either way saving $300 over some silver plastic is a good deal.
I'm tired of the dual monitor thing
Multimonitor setup is more sensitive to your eyes. With the two monitors you need to refocus when you look the other monitor, this "exercise" saves the eyes from the strain caused by staring into one monitor from fixed distance for a long time. The best setup so far (that i tested) is 1600x1200 (left) 1920x1200 (center) 1600x1200 (right) with a TV display far behind so i can focus my eyes to distant display as well as near displays giving my eyes lot of exercise. I've found that my eyes keep refocusing on the other displays when it is no longer confortable to stare into one for too long. I have no eye sight problems since.
I have a 30" cinema display at home and two 23" cinema displays at work. I do an equal amount of programming from each. I like the dual-display setup better for programming. For programming it seems to be easier to arrange the windows (IDE,firefox,terminals,etc) in the most efficient way. When using programs like autocad and photoshop though, the 30" is much better.
Why would anyone want to spend $2000 on a monitor? For half the cost (and this isn't even a great example), I'd sooner buy a projector that gives me up to 300inches of view space. Not to mention I can watch movies on it, too.
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Seriously what the heck are you talking about? HP doesn't make a 30" display the biggest LCD flat panel monitor they sell is the HP L2335 which is a 23" widescreen display. As for Apple they have only been selling the 30" monitor for about a year now. So in terms of the technology being commercially available, yeah it's kind of new. With Dell just releasing the second 30" flat panel monitor on the market. So it's news... Not seriously big news in the grand world of computing, but news none the less.
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This monitor also sports four USB ports and a media card reader.
Be careful, there is a problem with that!
I have a Dell 2405FPW and it has the same ports and readers. When the monitor is switched off, the power supply to this subsystem is cut as well (and apparently it is not powered from the PC USB bus).
I leave my PC switched on all the time, and switch off the monitor when I am not using it. The PC continues to perform server functions.
The result is that every switch off and on of the display it will go through the USB hardware discovery cycle, find all the cardreaders, and try to read all card types. This results in a massive amount of log messages and a very slow PC for 5-10 seconds.
The manual tells about this, but I think many users would not think about it when reading the feature list.
Fortunately, the monitor has multiple inputs (VGA, DVI, S-Video, Composite, Component) and when switching to one of the TV inputs it goes to standby mode when no signal is present. So as a workaround, I switch it off by setting S-Video input and back on by selecting DVI again. Not as convenient, as it needs multiple button clicks to do so.
No dead pixels on my Dell 24", thank &deity;. No idea how reliable the 30" is there (I don't plan on getting it anyhow).
I wonder how ATI takes it when Dell only recommends five specific nVidia cards for the screen.
(Interestingly, nothing on TV inputs, if any; actually seems to pass the "no HDCP to pay companies to restrict how I see video in full quality" test.)
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You can get this monitor for $1800 or less if you claim you are a small business (they don't check) and speak to one of the reps in the small business department of Dell. More importantly, If you wait a bit, some great deal will show up. Wait until a $1500 or less deal and grab it then. I got my 2001FP for 860 when it used to cost $1200 and my 2405FPW for $915 when it used to cost $1500 so I'm familiar with Dell deals.
This price is ridiculous for a Dell, you can get the apple 30" for $100 more with student discount. And we all know the kinds of margins Apple has.
Not only is this not tech news, but the last thing the tech world needs is free advertising for dell on Slashdot of all places.
dell can gain some respect from me and other true computer users/builders when they leave the trifecta from hell (dell, intel, microsoft) and stop manufacturing their own crappy parts and stick in quality products like antec and corsair.
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I think that a large monitor would work very nicely for people who do design work though. It is nice to have a larger view of the image or project you are working on while still having it zoomed in enough to see what you are doing. Then of course you can always have another little monitor becide it to hold your toolbars and such.
Done. Here are the results for my 2 month old Dell 2005FPW, which has been on for about 2 hours before calibration.
Max brightness: 250 cd/m^2 at 100, but dropped 1 cd/m^2 EVERY SECOND I left it at that setting(and oddly enough, when I brought the setting back to 0, luminance climbed slightly over 5-10 seconds, then dropped back to 178-179). 0 is anywhere from 178.2-180.
Guess what? 250cd/m^2, or 250 lumens, is run of the mill. Dell claims an additional 50 lumens. To put that in perspective, that's as if the display had a brightness setting of around "200"(well, a little less, but you get the idea.)
Dell also claims a 600:1 contrast ratio. Except the calibration device measured a minimum luminance of .4 cd/m^2. 180 divided by .4 = 450:1 contrast ratio.
Apple claims a contrast ratio of 400:1 and a max luminance of 250cd/m2 on the Cinema 20", which is supposedly the same exact screen (but different front "glass" and backlight, I believe). How 'bout that.
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I, on the other hand, would like to not have DRM in my computer monitor.
Imagine if no one bought HDCP monitors. When Vista came out, it would blow up massively--people would be furious at having to either use really crappy video or buy a new monitor.
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I hope that manufactures continue to embrace higher resolutions as I have loved the 1920x1200 (WUXGA) screen on my Inspiron 8500 (another Dell plug) for three years now and have considered replacing the computer, but have not becuase I love the screen so much. I understand that manufactures have a lack of incentives for making such high resolution desktop panels, but if you use a WUXGA laptop display you'll realize how beautiful it is. The reason I am such a fan of these laptop panels is that, as previously mentioned today, the human field of vision is far wider than tall. Furthermore, it is much easier for the eye to collect information in as short an arc of eye displacement as possible. When I am writing GUI's and scripts for my engineering classes, being able to see all the information very quickly is hugely valuable and efficient. Still, I don't know why so many people care about screen SIZE so much more than resolution. I truly wish there was some way of getting my WUXGA resolution on a stand alone flat panel, but doing so would require a screen 23" or larger and costing more than I can afford. If Dell makes twin WUXGA's, I'll be sold.
Ummm some folks?... Think a wall arm mount so you have zero foot print on your desk and a movable display.
all the new 15 and 17in powerbooks have duallink; so works with both apple and dell.
but even with some small difference in price ($100-300 is small as fraction of the total), i definitely would prefer the apple. 30in monster with black plastic frame and dell logo? and with apple, i know about their rather helpful policy if problems appear.
It's a nice unit. No embedded controls, except for brightness, so you need to use your graphics card control panel to make adjustments. Some minor uniformity problems with the backlight, but good D6500 color temperature tracking.
Oh, and Civ4 looks great at 2560x1600 ;-)
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http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/productde tails.aspx/monitor_3007wfp?c=ca&cs=CABSDT1&l=en&s= bsd
It is a pleasant thought, but I'm sure MS's plan is to just dominate through OEMs first. Force the OEMS to sell systems with only DRM monitors, and wham - in 3 years tops, you have market domination and acceptance of DRM monitors. Retail OS buyers are forced to follow.
Everyone is still thinking way too small. I've been thinking that I want something like HDTV on a computer with a 60 inch screen but that's still too small. So now I'm thinking about an interface consisting of a ceiling mounted projector with images on the wall from floor to ceiling. I want to be able to walk around and still see images no matter where I am in the room so I guess that means the projector needs to be on the other side of the wall in a closet. At work we have a 6 monitor solution that displays the status of servers in datacenters around the world so now I'm thinking a 6 monitor solution is barely an acceptable minimum.
My human machine interface should be something like my home theatre... A big screen, a powerful 7.1 surround sound system and a comfortable recliner. I don't want to be bothered with a mouse, pointing my finger and uttering a few sounds should be sufficient. Waving my empty 12 oz bottle at the screen should be enough for my computing assistant to know that a refill is in order.
Though I make a living working with machines I maintain that computers and robots are here to serve me and answer my every beck and call.
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Cheaper to buy it from Dell Canada at $1,999 AKA $1665US or so.
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