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What Should People Understand About Computers?

counterexample asks: "It seems to me that there aren't very many good books out there that explain to the layman what is really going on with computers. My mother cannot go to the bookstore and pick up a book that will make her understand the strange language that we IT people speak, or why her computer would be susceptible to a virus. So, I intend to write such a book. I have a fair idea of what should be in it (history of the Internet, how computers talk to each other, what a hard drive does, etc.), but I'm interested to see what you all have to say. What do you wish your users knew? What kind of questions are you so sick of answering because you hear them every week? What does the general public think they understand, but really don't?"

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  1. More like where do you draw the line? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My ancestors (parents and grandparents) are a naturally inquisitive people. Any attempt to teach them things about computers may only leave them more confused and full of questions.

    You are about to undertake a Herculean task in that you are now required to omit certain things which we may all know. I think your strategy should concentrate on figuring out how simply you can describe something without causing more confusion and questions.

    I would suggest analyzing The New Way Things Work by David Macaulay because he does a good job at using simple illustrations and brought me up to speed on a lot of engineering ideas when I was only in fifth grade. I would try to mimic him and use his level of detail as a template into what the common person is ready to ingest.

    Perhaps you should also change your strategy from "What do I include?" to "Where do I draw the line?" Start with a computer and describe the monitor, mouse, keyboard, box, printer, etc. in a high level. These are the obvious things you see. Then you can take and chapter by chapter explain each component down to as much detail as you want to. I would then have a chapter on communications and the internet that doesn't go all the way down to protocols.

    Allow me to illustrate what kind of people you should aim this book at in this telephone call between me and my mother:

    Me: Ok, tell me what the screen says now.
    Mom: It's blue.
    Me: What do you mean "it's blue"? What does it say?
    Mom: It says, "9F D8 34 7B ..."
    Me: Um, that's ok, ma, I don't speak hex.
    Mom: "... FA 25 3C A2 ..."

    One more thing, I shudder at the possibility of the history of computers being taught to my parents. This is more information that isn't really pertinent to what a layperson needs to know about computers. I would suggest delving into this as little as possible but historical facts always make reading interesting if you want to include little side notes.

    As with most projects undertaken--keep it simple, stupid!

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    1. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems to me that there aren't very many good books out there that explain to the layman what is really going on with computers...

      My ancestors (parents and grandparents) are a naturally inquisitive people. Any attempt to teach them things about computers may only leave them more confused and full of questions.

      Maybe i'm a cynic but I believe that most people don't care about computers for the same reason they don't care about anything else. The average layperson isn't curious at all! Slashdot is full of nerds. We read about nanobots, particle physics, and GPL drafts in our spare time. Besides, when's the last time an average person has read a book? (bonus points for non-fiction) Inquisitive people, like you or I, are the type of people that will read a wikipedia page and then read all the connecting pages until a good hour has been spent. Curious people have enough self-motivation to do their own research and will do so from multiple sources.

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    2. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by usrusr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Me: Ok, tell me what the screen says now.
      Mom: It's blue.
      Me: What do you mean "it's blue"? What does it say?
      Mom: It says, "9F D8 34 7B ..."
      Me: Um, that's ok, ma, I don't speak hex.
      Mom: "... FA 25 3C A2 ..."


      That's a very important point, no matter how much we know about the technical details of computer operation, the biggest difference between "us" and "them" ( = the proverbial mum) remains the mental "spam filter" that allows us to focus on the relevant parts of the UI presentation.

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    3. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the majority of computer users over the last 15 years, computing has been a mostly negative experience

      You really think so?

      Personally, I LIKE having the world's largest information store and community center available at my fingertips, and I wouldn't go back to DOS 5.0, dial-up BBSes at 9600k, or long walks to the library to look up simple facts for any amount of money.

    4. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by Jetboy01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But along the same lines, never ask "Do you see such and such a thing on the screen?" as many people will just tell you what they think you want to hear in order to get you utter the magic 'solution' to their problem.

    5. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by smithhayward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I think that there should be a chapter on the differences between:

      1. Your Background and your Screensaver
      2. Uploading and Installing
      3. The fact that you download a file from the internet doesn't magically make the program you were looking for available in the Start Menu.

    6. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I work with this guy whose whole job is to maintain a legacy mainframe. He can look at an outqueue, just glance at it, and tell you immediately what jobs failed. He'll call me up if the filesize on the input files is off kilter, and can tell from the most hopelessly obscure error message what the actual problem is.

      Thirty years experience will do that to you. Moreover, thirty years experience will do that to any of us. We have built in junk filters because we've seen the amazing bluescreen a zillion times. Our eyes automatically zero in on the actual error, because we've trained them to do it, error after error, for 16-19 years now.

      The problem is, there is no way you can teach experience. In a way that's good because if you could, most of us'd be out of a job. But in situations like this, is damn inconvenient.

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    7. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by pudding7 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      NEVER ask a yes/no question. The user will always say "yes". invariably, without fail.

      "Ok, do you see the pink elephant in the bottom left corner?"
      "Yes"

    8. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually I disagree. I think most people are curious, at some level, about computers. (Actually I think most people are curious about a whole lot of things.) However they find that asking them questions usually doesn't get them anywhere, and so they learn to treat the computer as a sort of 'magic box' and ignore whatever curious impulses they might have over how it works.

      Think of what most people get if they ask a question about computers. If they don't outright get told that there's 'no reason for them to know,' or 'it's too complicated for me to explain,' either they get some sort of patronizing explanation that they themselves know isn't true, or one so loaded with technical detail that they feel like an imbecile for asking. It's either the children's book or the technical manual; there's no middle ground. And it really only takes one bad experience to throw someone off a subject that they're only peripherally interested in.

      I don't think this is necessarily specific to computers, though. Most people don't really know how their television, automobile transmission, or microwave works. Every once in a while they might get curious and wonder what's going on inside, but they know that if they ask a really knowledgable person a question (e.g. if they ask a mechanic about a transmission) they'll probably either get brushed off or get an incomprehensible response. So they shrug and go on in ignorance.

      Personally I think the internet is very slowly beginning to change that. When you have immediate access to information on practially anything -- and especially technical topics -- it becomes a lot less painful to fulfill that momentary impulse to learn. You don't have to go to a library, you don't have to find an expert, and you can read as much or as little as you like. "More than you want to know about just about anything" is just a HowStuffWorks, Wikipedia, or Google query away.

      Just as a personal anecdote, I've noticed that my father (who is in his late 60s, and was until recently of the ardent conviction that typing was for secretaries) uses the internet constantly when he's watching television. The last time I was home, we were watching a movie he saw as a young man (Ben Hur, I believe) and he recalled that when the movie had originally been released, a big deal had been made of how it was shot in "Panavision"; however he'd never been totally clear what Panavision was. So as we were sitting there he grabbed his laptop, typed "Panavision" into wikipedia, and answered a 47-year-long 'mild curiosity' in about ten minutes.

      My point in all this is that you have to present information to people in a way that's easily -- perhaps instanly -- accessible. Start simply, and work up from there. Don't try to force anything on them; if and when they want to know something (if you do your job right) they'll find you and satisfy themselves. I think Wikipedia and HowStuffWorks are great because it lets someone who's just mildly curious about something to find an answer to their question in a satisfying way, so that the next time they're curious about something, they won't repress the urge to find out. Plus if they're more than just mildly curious, they both provide ways to learn more about a topic, or about related topics.

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    9. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Besides, when's the last time an average person has read a book?

      I've spoken to people who have bragged that they've never read a book since they graduated from High School. I also have a friend who's severely dyslexic, but reads more books than most people every year, because he doesn't let his dyslexia stop him. Not only does he read, he reads science-fiction, mostly, and is proud when he can finish a book in under a week and comprehend it. For him, that's a major achievement. What really gets me is all those people who are quite capable of reading, but simply won't. I've taken to call them "pseudo-literate," because they can pass a literary test, but refuse to use that skill, even when they'd profit by it.

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    10. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by TomasDK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I understand your feelings on this, but imo people should be able to at least have the ability to experiment with computers. The only reason I know the things I know now, is because I messed up and had to figure out a way to repair the damage.

      Maybe an easy to use version of "system restore" would give people the nerve to try some things, and if whatever they try fails: just push some reset button and a default OS magically respawns. Fear of doing something wrong again after a bad experience with computers stops a lot of people from learning more about them.

    11. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by iangoldby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you teach them a little, you just make them dangerous, able to screw up... Solution? Teach them as little as possible... make it so they can't install software...

      Every place I've worked since then, I've longed for that level of control.


      Unfortunately, you give the game away with your last statement. Systems administrators love to have absolute power and it does avoid all those tedious problems of sorting out machines their users have broken. The problem is that unless they are really well resourced they won't be able to do everything the users need doing in the timescales that are necessary.

      But worse still, in your effort to protect the unsophisticated users from themselves, you inevitably hamstring the more sophisticated users.

      It's all very well saying that all requests for new software have to go through IT support. But then one of your sophisticated users wants some highly specialised piece of software that could just be downloaded and installed in 15 minutes. No one in IT has even heard of it before. It has to be approved and scripted, and while there is one user waiting for this there are 200 clamouring for the upgrade to MS Project. The result is that you're lucky to get it any time in the next 10 weeks. Something you could have installed yourself in 15 minutes if only IT would drop their one-size-fits-all policy and give trust where trust is due.

      Sorry, rant over :-)

    12. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by nmos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that unless they are really well resourced they won't be able to do everything the users need doing in the timescales that are necessary.

      Well, it's pretty common to spend 5 minutes fixing the users reported problem and then the next hour or more fixing all the damage they did trying to fix it themselves.

      But worse still, in your effort to protect the unsophisticated users from themselves, you inevitably hamstring the more sophisticated users.

      I don't know if it works like this everywhere but often truly sophisticated users do tend to get some slack. The thing is the people who think they know what they are doing are the ones that cause 90% of the problems.

    13. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, so draw the distincton between teaching people what they can usefully know vs. enforcing a correct system administration policy.

      The problem with the "teach them nothing" idea is that unless you blindfold them and stuff their ears with cotton every moment of their lives -- and force the enterprising Helen Kellers of the world to wear boxing gloves -- the user will somewhere, at some time, pick up something that they'll want to try.

      Consider them contaminated at that point.

      In the case of a little dangerous knowledge, the only cure is a lot more *useful* knowledge. Once they know how to break it, you'll have to teach them either why breaking it is a bad idea, or how to fix it when they break it.

      I look at my attempts to educate users from the standpoint of being a user myself. No, not in the computer world. I'm talking about in the KITCHEN. Alton Brown is the most influencial reason why I can boil water without burning it, and my cuisine, though not fancy, has improved in taste dramatically since I began to understand how food chemistry works and why food can taste good.

    14. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by jannesha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I find useful is to say, "Look at the menus, and see if there's something like 'options' or 'preferences', yeah, ok, click on that, now look for something like..."

      So long as you realize what you are filtering out, or zeroing in on, and can put it into plain language, even a novice user realizes what you are looking for, and can learn your thought processes by experiencing them.

      Or, that's my theory, at least!

    15. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by kv9 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Slashdot, I implore you. Get off your collective geek asses, take a few clueless end users under your wing and help.

      you got a lot of nerve to ask that from a bunch of mostly self-taught persons. there is a wonderful feeling of accomplishment when you figure out something for yourself, and i cant help wondering why people need constant hand-holding for everything computer related.

      all the information you need is right there at your fingertips. if you `have better things to do with your time than dig around' maybe you should take a course. someone will teach you all this magic stuff.

      You and all the people like you, especially the ones who mod this crap +4 Insightful need to get out of mom's basement and actually go meet an "average person".

      you and all the average people like you, that dont get any mod points, need to stop *demanding* free advice from the basement dwellers and actually go figure out some shit for yourselves.

      i know this might sound flamish, but you are not *entitled* to anything, and especially you cant expect people to take you seriously for pissing and moaning that you got flamed/rejected/whatever by whoever.

      also, geeks like challenges. of course they will not jump right out of their chair when you ask them to help you figure out why windows BSODs. but try to get help with troubleshooting some funky netboot process or a pesky router console and see how that goes.

      you know, its weird how all these `socially skilled outgoing average persons' have the most problems relating to different kinds of people.

      --EORANT
    16. Re:More like where do you draw the line? by munpfazy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >This also works beautifully
      >for drunken debates at parties.

      Just remember to restore the page to it's original state after you've collected on the bet.

  2. Know how to drive but not where they are. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest problem I tend to face is that people don't know where the hardware ends, and where the OS Begins and where the OS Ends and the Applications begins. When they are doing something over the network or locally. They are just completely lost on the system. It it like they know how to drive but they don't know where they are now.

    They will always blame the wrong part for their problems.

    My Computer is Broken! When When MS Word fails to open.
    Windows Sucks! When the system wont Boot because the computer hardware failed.
    The Internet Is Down! When Windows somehow lost all its drives and fails boot.
    My Computer is slow, I need a faster one! When there are 1000s of spyware apps running

    What people need to know is what part of the computer does what type of job and how to at least say where the problem is.

    They should know when the Harddrive is clicking away or when sending information over the network.

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    1. Re:Know how to drive but not where they are. by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The biggest problem I tend to face is that people don't know where the hardware ends, and where the OS Begins and where the OS Ends and the Applications begins. When they are doing something over the network or locally. They are just completely lost on the system.

      That is so true. And the reason is to us is that we don't know where to start to fix their problem. My mother actually calls everything she sees on the screen as "Microsoft". Scary.

      I don't know how to fix the problem. I mean, most people have no clue what "software" really is.

      Man, I've been brainstorming lately.

      I was a kid of the 70s and 80s and we had these cool Atari games that came in cartridges. I liked that model for some reason.

      If software for new computers come in a cartridge it would solve many things.

      1) piracy will basically stop, yes, ubergeeks will still do it, but everyday normal people won't. In fact, if you run a program at work or with your friends without inserting a cartridge, then they will know instantly that you did not pay for it.

      2) It will isolate the app from the OS and other apps.

      This does not scale too well for little programs. But I'm talking about expensive larger apps that you would only typically need at most 5. More on average 1.

      Think about how easy upgrades would be? Throw away or sell old cartridge and insert a new one. Expensive software is coming with hardware dongles already. Why does the program have to live on my harddrive too? Why is it so hard to run the program I paid for on another computer?

    2. Re:Know how to drive but not where they are. by EEDAm · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "What people need to know is what part of the computer does what type of job and how to at least say where the problem is."

      I drive my car every day (in fact 30,000 miles a year) but I know absolutely f$!% all about mechanical engineering. I use a microwave every day but I've no idea how them microwaves are generated or why they stopped when they stopped. The user-engineer is, unsurprisingly, a popular way of thinking for a slashdotee, but think about it - do you really believe the future (or even the correct present) of computing is dependent on people who can diagnose their own problems down to a particular part fault? It's not because joe-consumer doesn't work that way in any part of their life. The real surprise is just how long it's taking to get past this point.

  3. Memory != Storage Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Memory has nothing to do with long term storage. Increasing memory does not give you the ability to store more files.

  4. They're stupid by Thud457 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    and they bite.

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  5. Look in your glove box. by StressGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming that's where you keep the manual for you car. All you really need to know about your car is how to operate it and how to take care of it (what kind of fuel, when to change the oil, belts, plugs, etc.). It's not really necessary to know much about how a car works to be able to properly use it. Such information is available to those who want to know, but it's not necessary to know the Brayton Cycle for example, to operate a car.

    I would suggest that this be your state of mind when writing your computer manual. I.e. focus on how to use it and how to take care of it.

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    1. Re:Look in your glove box. by rleibman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the car analogy breaks down. Cars are meant for basically one purpose: they are a vehicle to transport people and things, their user interface is mostly the same and you're talking 10 controls or so only, the manual in your glove compartment is more than enough for it, the majority of people don't even need it. Computers have a virtual infinity of uses, and each program/operating system/computer has slightly different user interface to do what it does. Much more is needed than a glove compartment guide.

  6. lost cause! :P by Klanglor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i say its a lost cause, there is soo much 101 book about computer. if u can't explain it to your mom. don't expect any book to be able to.

    People tend to learn on a step by step basis depending on the interest in any specific subject.

    meaning if i am interested in learning quantum science. no mather how hard it is, I will keep on trying. well if i don't fell the need for it, i will give up and say its non sense.

    So just grab your latest for dummie book and hand it over to your mom. If she REALLY wants to understand then she will learn.

    Just give up, if you are just trying to force knowledge into her mind, its a lost cause ;p

  7. What kind of questions are you so sick of answern? by lilmouse · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What kind of questions are you so sick of answering because you hear them every week?
    It's broke - fix it!

    I think that's the wrong approach - it's like asking a calc TA what questions he got asked most during the term. How do I do problem #3 isn't terribly useful to put in a book - next year they'll have to know how to do problem #4. So it goes with computers. Many questions can be "answered" without giving any real insight to the end reader/user. Be careful - you have to teach basics :)

    That said...

    I remember having to go through contortions to explain the concept of a "file" and "directory" to my mom. Just how technical *do* you get? "Any file is just a bunch of data" can be a bit confusing...

    --LWM
  8. Proprietary Design by Codename46 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people don't understand the facts about the proprietary designs many brand-name PC's use. A lot of proprietary PC's are hard to service and a pain to upgrade. They should be informed of the brands that are proprietary like Dell, their proprietary advantages/disadvantage, and the brands that aren't proprietary like PowerSpec, and their advantages. I'm a salesman at Micro Center, and almost every customer whom I sold a computer to didn't know what proprietary design meant and what brands are proprietary. Those are the one who usually buy Compaq, HP, Gateway, and Dell-brand PC's and end up leaving with a PowerSpec computer and liking it because its easily upgradable and serviceable.

  9. A Plea for Task-Based Organisation by Dunx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A request for the format of your book - organise the explanations by things people actually use their computers for.

    - writing a letter: how a program starts, how different document formats work, how saving a file puts it onto the hard disc, how printing works

    - looking something up on Google: how the internet works (good luck with that one!), how web sites work, how computers talk to each other over the internet, how firewalls work ... and so on. This kind of task-based organisation should make it easier for the lay person to understand what is going on because they can relate it to something real they actually do.

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  10. Explain that computer attacks are not personal by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people think that computer attacks/hack attempts are personal and thus think 'Nobody would want to hack MY computer'. Explain that these attacks are not personal and are often carried out automatically by an infected computer. Explain that there are only ~4Billion possible internet locations the computer can search and it will only take a few days for a computer to search all possible locations on the internet. Remind them that a computer can do over a billion things a second which is why it can search so many computers locations so quickly.

  11. Hardly by bobdickgus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a computer was an appliance like a washing machine they would have been recalled due to faults. You would never except the bugs you do with a computer with an item of white ware.

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  12. Starting from a flawed premise by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe most people are capable of understanding computers but most geeks are such shitty communicators they just cant explain things clearly enough, often because they just dont understand the subject well enough themselves half the time.

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    1. Re:Starting from a flawed premise by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Maybe most people are capable of understanding computers but most geeks are such shitty communicators they just cant explain things clearly enough, often because they just dont understand the subject well enough themselves half the time.

      A lot of it has to do with the patronizing or downright condescending attitude that many geeks assume while trying to explain things. Believe me -- knowing this shit (or thinking you know it) does not make you Master Of The Universe, nor does it even imply that you are particularly intelligent. When you're having trouble communicating concepts to a non-savvy person, this usually indicates that You Fail It, not that they do.

  13. Using vs. Understanding by Schlemphfer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After reading your question it seems you haven't yet made a distinction between the two possible kinds of books you could write. One would be giving the reader a fundamental understanding of how computers work, while the other would be giving them the basic knowledge needed to become either a casual or power user.

    These two books are completely different and you should know which one you're writing, and not mix things up.

    I personally would love a book that explains the basics of how RAM, TCP/IP, USB ports etc. work -- written in a way that somebody with no engineering background can grasp. But from the tone of your question I think what you're really leaning towards writing is a book that lets brand new computer users bypass the clueless stage. For this, you'd want to explain the differences between OSX, Windows, and Linux, and give users a good way to choose. You'd want to acquaint them with the main sorts of applications that exist -- word processors, spread sheets, browsers, etc. Then you'd explain a bit about each, like what a word processor is great at doing (things like on-the-fly spellcheck), and what it sucks at doing (book quality layout.)

    Basically, you want to teach people the fundamentals of using each type of application, and keep them from using a screwdriver as a hammer (using Microsoft Word to typeset a book, for instance.)

    You'd also want to write about the various peripherals you can install, like wireless cards, optical mice, and high-quality video and sound cards.

    And finally, you'd want to make the writing engaging enough that people would actually read your book cover to cover. That's the biggest trick of all, and really, the only hard trick.

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  14. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Explain the difference between "memory" and "storage".

    I can not even count the number of times I have said "your computer does not have enough memory for this" and gotten the reply "but it says I have 15 jig-a-bytes free, isn't that a lot?"

    I think this problem is 99.9% the industry's fault for choosing the word "memory" to refer to something stored short-term (should have come up with some new word like 'zoigle'), but anyways...

    1. Re:PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... by boingo82 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A non-car analogy:

      Suppose you're in a big library, books all the way up to the ceiling and surrounding you. This is your hard drive. Every bit of data on the computer is written into one of these books and filed away. The size of your HD determines how big your library is.

      Your computer has a table in the middle of the library. Any time you want to work on a project, the computer hauls down all the necessary books and lays them out on the table to read, and write in. This is your RAM, and the amount of RAM you have determines the size of the table - how much information can be hauled out at once.

      If your table is not big enough for whatever you're doing, the computer will have to temporarily put back a book, take one down, put that one back, take the first one down, etc. This is "virtual memory", and it is obviously slower than just having a big enough table.

      Whatever you're working on is strewn all over your table, and you have the choice to throw it all out when you're done, or to file it in the library for future use. (saving).

      The caveat is that your computer will put each new book in the first empty spot it finds on the shelf. Sometimes this means one book here, one there, etc. Next time your computer wants to look at that series of books, it has to check the card catalog, and haul them out from all over the library. This is "fragmentation" - if you "defragment" your hard drive, your computer sorts through the library and puts like books together. It will even put the books you read a lot on the bottom shelf, and the ones you rarely need way up on top.

      It's not perfect, but I use some variation on that to explain RAM vs HD to my husband.

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  15. ipods, cellphones, TiVO, etc by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When the "computer as an appliance" becomes hidden behind an applied interface, then it ceases being called a computer. Ipods, cellphones, TiVo, etc. have more hardware and software than gneral computers more than 5-10 years ago. But the "computerness" is somewhat hidden in the appliance.

  16. Re:Sadly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I would agree. Woman don't know themselves most of the time.
    This is what happens when listening to a woman gossip about there life, and very common questions I hear but dare never to answer.
    like ...
    Q: Where are all the nice guys?
    A: There are a lot of nice guys, but because they are nice they are not going to come up to you in the middle of the street and hit on, if you do meet the nice guy you tend to take his niceness for granted.

    Woman go: Look are not that Important.
    I go (to myself): Bull shit! All woman say that but you will always put more attention to the more attractive one then the less attractive one.

  17. Understand people first by lmh2671772 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    People don't want to read manuals, and people sure as heck don't want to read books.

    Why doesn't this dang computer work??!? Can you fix it for me?

    People know how to do that.

  18. Re:Don't have to by moonbender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Computers just aren't appliances yet. As such, it's often much easier to work with them if you have some understanding of their internals. This can be shallow, you don't have to be able to, you know, built a computer from scratch. Analogies are bound to be flawed, like your washing machine analogy, but a better one might be a car... it helps to understand that it contains a motor which combusts the fuel you put in it, when you've got a manual transmission it helps to know what that is all about and so on. This is especially true in case the car breaks down, which, famously, they don't do as often as computers.

    There are appliances that do a subset of what computers (or PCs) do. Web terminals for surfing, consoles for gaming, media players for MP3 and movie playback (often backed up by a PC). Network routers (usually Linux based). As far as I'm aware MS Office doesn't really have an appliance alternative, though.

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  19. Re:Don't have to by CatsupBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Like users of washing machines, they don't need to know how the machine spins, or how many gallon of hot water to mix with cold one when how why
    If the personal computer had 10 buttons, 4 options, and three generations of people who knew how to use them, then I would say this analogy was accurate.
  20. Re:Don't have to by rbochan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...So in layman's term, computer is an electronic appliance...

    I disagree. They need to know that it's _not_ an appliance like a washing machine or a toaster. A computer is a tool.

    An appliance like a washing machine or a toaster are different for a couple of very important reasons:
          -- an appliance doesn't normally contain personal/financial information that can be used maliciously by others
          -- an appliance normally can't be used maliciously towards others

    People are fond of using car analogies when referring to computers, and in some aspects, those analogies work... especially when you consider that people don't just get into a car and "know how to drive". They first learn how the car works (at least a bit), in terms of user interface (gas pedal, brake pedal, oil changes, etc), for the mere fact that they can hurt themselves or others if the car is used improperly.

    The first thing I try to teach people is that a computer is NOT an appliance - it's a tool - like a circular saw or a kitchen knife. And like most any other tool, if it's not used properly and not maintained properly, harm can come to the user or others.

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  21. Screw the Book; Produce a DVD Video by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The audience you're trying to reach couldn't be bothered to RTFM that came free with their machine; what makes you think they're going to buy another book? There have been no shortage of books on the subject, and people are still underinformed.

    So I say forget doing a book at all (at least initially), and instead consider screenwriting a DVD video. People will be far more willing to give it a quick spin than check out a book. Also, it's much cheaper to duplicate, and you can distribute it over the Internet. (Technically, the same is also true of "books" in PDF format, but books are traditionally not thought of in that manner.)

    If the DVD is a success, than you can go into more depth in a follow-on book (or just leave a PDF file on the DVD).

    Schwab

  22. History NOT by hisstory+student · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Folks looking to get a rudimentary understanding of their computer really don't want to read history. That's just a turn off and a waste of their time. If you insist on including historical information, put it in an appendix. What you need to do is determine what it is these folks minimally need to know and put that right up front in the clearest non-geek language possible. If you do that, your book will gain success by way of word-of-mouth and won't wind up on the store shelves among the hundreds of other failures.

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  23. Understanding is over-rated by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand how exactly a car works. I have a vague idea that combustion of gasoline creates pressure which is channeled into turning wheels, but that's about it. I don't have the foggiest clue how laundry soap works, or dry-cleaning for that matter. In the same token, I haven't the foggiest clue how to understand women.

    There are levels of underestanding required for the use of anything. If you break it down, malicious software exists because some jerks out there are exploiting the fact that they understanding software deficiencies better than Microsoft or you. People don't *need* to understand 100% how things work. They could, but they don't care to. Over time as people age, they accumulate a list of things they "know" and their curiosity and desire to learn decreases (the more you know, the less you care to learn).

    People care more about increasing the comfort level in their lives than in increasing the understanding of the world. Ignorance is bliss, and the more you learn, the more aware you become of your ignorance (ie, you are really learning just how much you don't understand).

    Most people see computers as a tool, albeit an annoying, complicated, troublesome one. In fact, from the people I have talked to, if they could get away with NOT using computers in their daily lives, they would. They'd rather spend their time with family, or recreationally, etc. As a tool, computers are rather flawed - the mere fact that they break down so easily is proof of that. Instead of thinking of ways to make it easier to learn the tool, why don't we just fix the tool itself? Make it simpler, easier to use, more reliable. What you sacrifice in perfect flexibility, you gain in adoption. The best consumer technology is transparent technology.

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    1. Re:Understanding is over-rated by finkployd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Over time as people age, they accumulate a list of things they "know" and their curiosity and desire to learn decreases (the more you know, the less you care to learn).

      These people are a cancer on human civilization. That sounds harsh, but seriously.

      We have been given (by natural selection, an intelligent designer, a flying spaghetti monster, etc) the ability to learn and the desire to learn everything we can in our lives. Those who grab a diploma from highschool or college and go "well, I'm all done learnin' time to watch some pro wrestling, nascar, and reality tv" end up not only refusing to help push civilization further, they end up being a hindrance. I'm not talking about people with actual learning disabilities, just those who think it is too hard, or that that have learned everything they need and just coast from there.

      You know the type, the people who seem positively proud to be befuddled by technology, science, politics, basically the world around them. And when they are not proud of the ignorance, they are angry or indignant that they should be troubled to have to learn anything new.

      Now I'm in no way attacking the average person for not understanding the machine code that directs their CPU, but honestly people, take an afternoon and learn a LITTLE bit about how your computer works, especially if you intend to be using it for hours every day. And for that matter, learn how your car works, You don't have to be able to build a fuel injected engine from scratch, but the concepts are quite simple and worth knowing. It seems weird that our society is begining to take pride in what we DON'T know versus what we do. Yes, you can go through life completely ignorant of how the world around you works, but why would you want to?

      Finkployd

    2. Re:Understanding is over-rated by simishag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sheesh.. mod -1 arrogant. Really, how is this any different from saying "Well, I'm all done with school, time to go watch some ballet/go windsurfing/play chess?" Are those learning activities or mere entertainment? Insulting people for wanting to enjoy their downtime in their own way is the height of arrogance.

      Anyway, most people spend plenty of time "learning." They learn how to get a job, how to do the job once they get it, how to handle additional tasks at the job, etc. They learn how to enjoy their leisure time more, perhaps by practicing a sport. Maybe they just read or watch TV and learn about the world. Maybe, unlike you, they aren't INTERESTED in computers, or cars, or whatever. Maybe they view them as simple utilitarian tools, or maybe they have better things to do with their time. I know plenty about cars and engines, but I'd much rather pay the shop $15 to change the oil in my car than deal with it myself.

      The cancerous people you refer to might even be like me, and be sick and freaking tired of being forced to learn every stupid computer trick just to be able to surf the Internet safely, or to learn every fad computer language just to get a decent paying job. It has nothing to do with an unwillingness to learn and everything to do with gross inefficiency. At some point, one needs to stop learning and start doing in order to get anything done.

  24. Disk space vs RAM by dudeX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One pet peeve of mine is that people call hard drive space "RAM". In your book you should thoroughly cover the difference between system memory and drive storage.

    1. Re:Disk space vs RAM by Feasoron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is def. a very important distinction. I've seen many people delete files because the system warned them that they were low on ram or talk about buying more memory because the hard drive was filling up. It is something that we all assume everyone knows, but a huge portion of the population doesn't.

  25. sorry to say it but.... by i2878 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are assuming people care that they don't understand. I support a 100+ users who just plain don't care to know or understand anything beyond their fingertips. Those that care have already been paying attention.

    Bottom line is that don't want a PC, they want a toaster. Turn it on, put in bread, wait 30 seconds and out pops my toast. Every time.

    But we're not talking about toasters, are we?

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  26. Recommended Books by Alien54 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I like this series of books. They explain things that most books assume you already know.

    Things like the difference between the left mouse button and right mouse button. (primary and secondary click, secondary click = menus, etc) Which everyone one knows, but not really, not for true beginners.

    Lots of visuals, with just one concept covered per page.

    Strangely enough the cartoon floppy disk character pointing at important things actually improves the effectiveness of the text for beginners, instead of using a simple highlighted arrow in the picture.

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  27. Re:Cars and Computers by dotgain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bullshit. Analogies with cars will always fall down. And anyway, people don't understand cars any better.

  28. forest for the trees by joeytsai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One fact about computers that even technical people often forget:

    The job of the computer is to make your job/task easier - it is not the other way around.

    Yes, there is a time and place to learn a particular interface for a specialized job, to configure a certain program to get a special behavior or download some patch or driver to get some random hardware to work. But these things should be the exception and not the rule. I think there's way too much software that forces the user to bend to its design/shortcomings, rather than the other way around.

    Futhermore, I'm rather saddened by the fact that nowadays I notice most people are afraid of their computers. They don't explore or try something new just to "see what happens" - because everyone has been bitten hard by some bug or some unexpected behavior and lost valuable time and data. So they have a very simple and rigid routine, one they know "just works", even if it's completely convoluted and non-sensical. I'm sure most people here have observed the same thing.

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  29. Re:After they know about computer internals... by Traa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would leave all that stuff out because it is so 'today'. Every product you mentioned might help a user today, but unless they get updated with what the hip anti-malware program is 6 months from now their computer will be a mess again. Educating users about scams and malware in general should open their eyes and keep them open for years to come. My parents emailed me that they have been deleting emails from governament officials in Nigeria offering them money. Not because I taught them about 419 scams, but because I tought them about internet scams in general.

  30. Only Three Things by GmAz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1) I wish people would learn how to backup files to CD/DVD/Thumbdrive/External Hard Drive...whatever. If you want to keep it and never lose it, then back it up.

    2) How to use a restore disk or make one. All manufactures (HP, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, etc) either include restore disks, have a partition on the hard drive to restore your computer or give you blank CDs/DVDs to create your own restore disks. DO THIS! Then when the computer breaks, save yourself some money and try to use the restore disk before paying to have your computer fixed (a.k.a. the computer tech using your restore disk).

    3) Realize that you cannot physically break your computer unless you physically abuse it, pour water in it while its running, or something of the likes. If your software stops working, re-install it or look at #2; use a your restore disk and make sure you are following #1 and keep your important stuff backed up!

    Then again, if people followed the above 'rules' then I wouldn't be able to make money off them. But they should still learn it!

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  31. Tell them not to fear computers by kuriharu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't tell you how many people say they're "afraid" of computers. They don't want to try too many things since they're afraid of breaking something. There is the possibility they might delete system files, but that's become increasingly rare. I'd tell people not to be intimated by what they don't understand on their own computers, then show them how to find answers on their own.

    Bottom line is most people only use computers for a narrow, limited purpose. The rest start investigating on their own.

  32. do not surf naked! by GnomeSkull · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think a chapter should focus on how to be safely connected to the Internet. Explain the importance of antivirus software and firewall, and what they do. Also explain that just having them installed does not mean they are functioning (virus definitions need updating, etc). I do a lot of fixing for people who have let their definitions lapse or the software has failed for some reason.

    And an explanation of email and viruses in general. Just because an email appears to be from some address you know, or even yourself, does not make it so. Once they understand that the system is inherently insecure, most people are more apt to be more careful with email attachments and check that antivirus software regularly.

    Of course, there is no substitute for reading and attempting to comprehend the messages your computer gives you. When their antivirus warns them that their definitions are out of date, they should not just ignore it and assume the computer will magically fix that for them. So I suppose another section could be devoted to explaining that a computer, like an automobile, needs regular maintenance in order to continue to run properly.

    If you can write a book that helps this kind of person, you will get hundreds of sales from me:
    User: "I can't change my password, something's wrong."
    Me: "Well what does the error message say?"
    User: "It says it can't change my password."
    Me: "But what does it SAY?"
    User: "Oh. It says 'Your new password must exceed 5 characters and be'... oh. I see. Never mind."
    "Glad I could help."

    People think whatever the error messages say are for trained computer people only, not them. Get that out of their heads and you win.

  33. What should people understand about computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Great idea if you can do it. My problem with helping users who have little or no understanding of computing or the cyberworld, is that they don't understand the consequence or value of what they have. Additionally, that it needs maintenance like your car does in order to continue functioning properly. Sample conversation

    User - My machine is too slow.

    Tech - You appear to have spyware on your machine.

    User - It didn't used to be this way. Why did IT let that in? Don't we have anti-virus stuff?

    Tech - Yes but this is different. It is not a virus and it won't be detected by that product.

    User - Why do I pay for antivirus if it doesn't work.

    Tech - You pay for AV because eit will stop most viruses but it is not 100%. First of all you have not updated it in quite a while. Second It is not a virus.

    User - Why can't it do it itself? I don't have time for this.

    Tech - It is a tool and you need to take care of the tools in order to have them function properly. You would not leave your lawnmower out in the rain/snow over the winter and then expect it to run properly. Same is true for the computer.

    User - Make it work the way I want it to.

    Tech - I can't.....

    You get my point. If the user could view it as a tool maybe they would take the time to learn how the tool functions. Maybe that is the approach you need to take. One of function versus instructional.

    Hope it helps.

  34. My Cents. by Joudoki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that the best way to explain something to someone who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about is to use metaphores and / or analogies. For example, to explain how the file structure works: "Think of your computer's hard drive as a filing cabinet. In a filing cabinet, you have individual drawers, and inside of the drawers you can have green folders, and inside of those folders you can have vanilla folders. Your hard drive is almost exactly the same, the main differences being that it can store much more then a filing cabinet, and that you can have an infinite amount of nested folders." Or, you could go with the tree aproach, and explain that the main trunk is the drive, and each branch is a folder, and each leaf is a file, and maybe have a picture of a tree, but with the trunk / branches / leaves labled.

  35. Re:Cars and Computers by default+luser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, analogies are key. I also have had great success with encouraging people like my mother to be more outgoing when it comes to GUIs.

    Like most people who just "get by" using computers, she is terrified of messing with options, and jumping through menus.

    Whenener she has a problem with a piece of software I've never touched (yet I'm expected to "fix"), I make it clear to her that I have no clue exactly how to fix it, but I tell her what kind of thing I'm looking for...a settings window, a configuration wizard, etc. And I explain to her quite clearly that she can't break anything by messing with these options...she can always undo something.

    Now that she realizes that many programs offer similar basic features, but just present them in their own way, she is more confident with finding the solution to common problems she encounters (and calls me very rarely about problems).

    It is all about the approach. I used to have to install GAMES for this woman.

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  36. Re: Basic File Management by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Chapter 4: Understanding the file system.


    To go along with this, one key point : "Yes, it really is just ones and zeroes"

    I think that a lot of people have conceptual issues when trying to accept that it is all just information. People I know are completely floored when they learn that they can do the same things to any JPEG. Whether they downloaded it from a web page on the internet, or scanned it, or got it in an email, or shot it on a digicam, etc. They are somehow convinced that the computer thinks it is something completely different, depending on where it came from. My friend recently got a scanner after having the photo developer give him a CD of JPEG's. He was convinced that emailing the JPEG's from his scanner would be a completely different process than emailing JPEG's from a CD.

    Once you can convince people how simple it really is, how stupid the computer really is, how all the information is in a file, and all the files are just information, then you have come a *loooong* way in improving their ability to interact with the computer.

    My dad seems basically unable to really grasp this. It comes up in sort of odd places, and catches me compoletely off guard in conversations. It really doesn't occur to me to make a distinction between a video file I captured from my TV card, or downloaded, or rendered, etc. The fact that I can use the same video player utility to play BBC programs as I use for ones I recorded here in Colorado is stunning to him. It just sort of won't fully integrate in his mind.
  37. Another analogy by yashinka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would guess 99% of all people don't know the difference between memory and a harddrive. I once gave a speech about the basics of computer hardware and I found this analogy useful (although somewhat limited).

    Imagine you are going to solve a problem and you have no long term memory. You have only a notebook, a calculator and a library.

    - The CPU is like your mind and calculator: Fast enough for simple problems but you can't do everything in your head.
    - The Cache is your short term memory. You don't need to reread things in the front of your notebook over and over.
    - The Memory is like your notebook. You can look through it fairly quickly but it can only hold so much.
    - The harddrive is the library. It holds vast amounts of information but takes a long time to find what you need. Once you find it you can photocopy things and add them to your notebook. If your notebook is full you will throw away old papers.

    You can expand on this analogy to say that some books hold information while others hold instructions and references to other books.

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  38. I wholeheartedly agree cuz I'm an idiot by LiberalApplication · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I agree because I am one of those users who knows enough about system configurations to destroy every goddamn system I work on.

    And I'm a computer programmer!

    Every system I work on has been loaded with so many mods, filled with so many performance tweaks and hacks, had everything overclockable overclocked, that nothing I touch is stable anymore. Sometimes I wish I didn't know about any of this stuff just so that I wouldn't ruin my system and have to do an OS reinstall monthly. I'm a living testament to the dangers of knowledgability, or rather, the dangers of being a user that thinks he/she is knowledgable.

    To all of the computers I've destroyed, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to. I thought we were both having a good time... Until you died.

  39. Re:Cars and Computers by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You know, if I had one wish for computer literacy, it would be to have the entire population each get a 2/386 out of the recycle bin, and thrash the hell out of it. Since it's a garbage computer with no data of theirs on it, they have complete freedom to open every folder, click every option, move files at random, and even tear open the case and rip out the chips and shiff them and feel them. They can at last *explore*, because they have a sandbox!

    I mean, would you have ever have learned to drive if your only chance was a shiny new expensive car, and what's more you were convinced that if you so much as changed the radio volume, the entire car would die instantly and have to be replaced? Fear is all there is between the dumbest newb and the saltiest geek.

    Hey, I have an idea! Set up some computers as a business, and actually *invite* the public to trash them (The only rule is, no hardware damage.). Sort of like an arcade. Sell cappuccino on the side. Every night at closing, you zero out the drives and put Knoppix back on them...