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Best Buy Working Towards Ending Mail-in Rebates

chibbie writes "Best Buy is finally working towards ending mail-in rebates by 2007. Rebates will still be around, but you will be able to file them online, and receive your check much quicker. I guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all."

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  1. I don't think so. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all.

    Sure they do.

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    1. Re:I don't think so. by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They just makes it easier to keep track of people who flub up their rebate submissions. Mix up a rebate tracker number (or whatever it's called), or make a typo in your receipt number- and your rebate is invalid. BAM - there goes $60 you're never going to see. Perhaps you caught your mistake, and you want to resubmit it with the correct number; the computer will catch you resubmitting, and will consider you trying to dupe your rebate submission (you know, to 'catch' all those evil-doers that are trying to cheat the system by submitting over and over again *yeah right*) and will void your rebate. By having it all computerized, you remove the human element (i.e. the people that are paid to process your rebate forms via mail, and have them verify that the rebate is not void), and they save money by not having to hire people to process the mail-in rebates, AND accurately keep statistical analysis of the percentage of failed submissions to notify the accountants how much Best Buy has *saved* by not having to honor your rebate. Most of the time people won't care, since they will be able to do it right the first time, but if you mess up - poor internet connection, or cat jumped on keyboard and pressed enter or even just a typo or mixup- it just gives bestbuy a reason not to honor that rebate check.

      Best Buy doesn't hate customers, they just hate customers that are trying to nickle and dime them - and that includes everybody that shops with rebates in mind.

    2. Re:I don't think so. by anagama · · Score: 4, Informative

      My last purchase at Worst Buy was about two years ago. I bought a HD that should have been $60 after rebate. My local store had the same HD for sale at $70 ... no rebate, no gimmicks, just $70. Long story short, I decided to "save" the $10 and go to Worst Buy. Well, I never got the $40 rebate and I paid $100 for the HD. So I lost $30 and Worst Buy lost a customer for life. Mind you, that wasn't the only rebate I got screwed out of -- just the last one.

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    3. Re:I don't think so. by Skater · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's funny - I always hear these stories about people never getting their rebate, but I've probably done 50 of them over the last 8 years and have always received the rebate. Large or small amount, it doesn't matter who the vendor was, etc. I've always gotten them.

      The one time I had a problem was a free computer game offer, but even that arrived eventually (it might've been 6 months, but I did eventually receive it, and when I called to check on it after waiting 6-8 weeks, they explained the delay and gave me a new expected ship date).

      Personally I don't have a major problem with Best Buy. I generally don't go to them for computer hardware, though; I've got a Microcenter nearby for that. :)

    4. Re:I don't think so. by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Mix up a rebate tracker number (or whatever it's called), or make a typo in your receipt number- and your rebate is invalid.

      I think you're being just a little bit unfair to Best Buy here. Staples has had "Easy Rebates" for awhile now and they really are a hell of a lot easier. Go to their website, type in the number on your receipt, and receive your rebate check two weeks later. Simple. If you can't type in a stupid number on a receipt then something is really wrong with you. I'd rather check a number a few times on a receipt than home some minimum wage monkey can read my chicken scratch when I hand-write a rebate onto those little receipt rebate forms.

  2. It's Not Enough by Al+Mutasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not just deduct the rebate at the cash register? We all know that's doable. No, their dream is to extract from each customer the maximum personal price. Those willing to pay full price do, and those only willing to pay a lower price get it. Willingness to do senseless work determines who falls in what camp--it's just like coupon clipping.

    1. Re:It's Not Enough by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Willingness to do senseless work determines who falls in what camp--it's just like coupon clipping.
      You only knock coupon clipping because you don't do it.

      I can't imagine that anyone about to spend over a thousand dollars on a TV or computer @ Best-buy would turn down a 10%, 15%, or 20% off coupon.

      My mother regularly saves 30%~50% on groceries because she clips coupons and uses her frequent shopper card. She saves the reciepts to show me and everytime, I ask her when the supermarkets will just start giving her food for free.

      Rebates and coupons have low redemption rates, which is why bargain hunters spend much less on the same things you and I buy every day. If rebates were rung up at the register, the savings offered would drop like a rock as the rate of redemption headed for 100%.
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    2. Re:It's Not Enough by Nick+Kirven · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm still waiting on my rebate from my Voodoo3 2000 card. Yeah, I'm lazy and stupid. Or, I was lied to. Since I don't have my rebate cheque, despite filling in and mailing the form, you decide.

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    3. Re:It's Not Enough by evilviper · · Score: 4, Interesting
      My mother regularly saves 30%~50% on groceries because she clips coupons and uses her frequent shopper card.

      All stores lie to their customers to PRETEND they're getting a discount.

      The other day I was in a store and saw a sign for Levi's 501s for $38, MSRP $42. Then I went to the store next door and saw a similar sign: Levi's 501s for $34, MSRP $38. There isn't any way to reconcile this, other than realizing that stores are lying through their teeth.

      Back to the point, I also saw a documentary a few months ago about shopping clubs. They went to a city with two supermarkets with shopping clubs and bought a good list of various items with their club cards. Then they went to a neighboring city, bought the same items from a similar supermarket with no shopping club, and the non-discounted items without a card were a LOT cheaper.

      The moral of this story... Stores are lying to you. Shopping clubs only pretend to save you money. You have to compare not to the non-discounted price at the same store, but to the normal price at a non-shopping club store. Club cards are only useful if you can't chose to shop elsewhere.

      Besides, the customer tracking is completely unacceptable. It only serves to find out how to squeeze more money out of you. Just think about it, they can find out what products are selling in aggregate without tracking each buyer. They only need per-buyer info to figure out how to make their store less attractive to customers who aren't making them much money. Club cards don't magically make it cheaper for the supermarket to buy that head of lettuce, or can of soup.
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    4. Re:It's Not Enough by smeenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rebates must be an American thing... In NZ, I've never heard of this sort of craziness. If the vendor is offering a discount on their product, they do it through the retailer, like you suggest. It seems that for some reason, Americans accept the idea that they should pay full price to a retailer, and then snail mail in a piece of paper to get a cheque back in the mail that they can then cash ? I can only imagine how much paperwork and paper handling has to occur to complete that process. I never use cheques in this country, and I don't know many people who do, because everyone here accepts eftpos or direct deposits into their bank account. I guess I'm just used to avoiding paperwork.

    5. Re:It's Not Enough by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My mother regularly saves 30%~50% on groceries because she clips coupons and uses her frequent shopper card. She saves the reciepts to show me and everytime, I ask her when the supermarkets will just start giving her food for free.

      She's not saving more than I am by going to the Low Bill or the Aldi and buying generics. The receipts only prove that she would've been screwed if she bought brand names at full price.
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    6. Re:It's Not Enough by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is senseless. You gave them $500 for them to give back to you to get it at the price it would have been if there were no rebates.

    7. Re:It's Not Enough by Jarnis · · Score: 4, Informative

      In sane, civilized countries, like Finland for example, this practice is blatantly illegal.

      Over here you cannot advertise a discount, unless it is based on an actual retail price that the product has actually been sold for prior to the discount in the same store. Failure to follow the law carries steep fines.

      Yes, there are ways to 'milk' this as well - say, sell some product for a few weeks for an inflated price, then drop it to a 'big' discount, but in general scams like the one you describe do not happen over here. Mostly discounts are 'real' discounts - companies clearing out excess stock to make room for new stuff. Or just outright advertising stuff cheap *without* silly '50% off' stickers. You can sell cheap to pull in people, you just can't claim it's 50% off some imaginary 'retail' price that has no basis in reality.

    8. Re:It's Not Enough by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are right, mail in rebates are definately a tactic that companies like Best Buy use to get people in the door, but there is another reason to use mail in rebates that most people probably dont realize.

      When you deal with mass quantities of sales like Best Buy does, a lot of money flows in and out the doors. Keeping the money in the door for as long as possible before it has to flow back out allows for the corporation to maximize its use of the money while it has it.

      If it takes a minimum of, say, 40 days to process a mail in rebate, thats about 30 days that Best Buy gets to hang on to your money. More correctly though, thats 30 days that it gets to USE your money. With the massive amounts of small purchases that come in, this really adds up, and the interest obtained from holding that money for those 30 days is a valuable source of income for Best Buy. Further to this, when you get a large cash float income for reinvestment like Best Buy can obtain through this process, the interest payments and investment returns go way, way up. I can gaurentee you that this is a revenue stream that Best Buy tries to maximize.

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    9. Re:It's Not Enough by Servants · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. It's a mistake to think of unredeemed rebates as "free money" for a company; the expected non-redemption rate gets factored into the price.

      Suppose Best Buy sells a drive for $100, with a $50 rebate that half their customers send in. Then they take in $75 per sale, on average.

      Alternatively, they could sell it to everybody for $75 in the first place, with no rebates.

      Or, they could implement an online rebate system. If this leads 3/4 of their customers to get the rebate, the offered rebate could only be $33 instead of $50 to get the same average revenue per system.

      It's an empirical question for the company which setup will allow them to make the most sales. (Note that this is somewhat independent from the base amount of profit they make per unit; if they decided a drive only needed to sell for $60 on average, they'd still be faced with the same set of choices.) It's a separate question which system an individual buyer prefers. If you're allergic to rebate checks, or if your time is extremely valuable, you'd prefer #2. If you just want the best price, it's in your interest to have a system like #1 where few other people bother to obtain the rebate, allowing the company to make the discount quite large.

      One conclusion you could draw from this plan, then, is that Best Buy has decided to cater more toward relatively well-off customers who value their time highly, and less toward customers who shop on price.

    10. Re:It's Not Enough by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Funny
      So a $150 hard drive with a $50 mail-in rebate costs you. . . $50, right there in the store.

      Looks like they sold out all their calculators.

      rj

  3. onrebate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why assume that Best Buy is trying to help out the customer? Maybe they're trying to make it more efficient for themselves to eat your money.

    Has anyone else had any experience with the online rebate firm onrebate.com? They ate my rebate claiming insufficient documentation (which I know is wrong...), but the worst part is they will not even allow me to resubmit anything to them. After waiting on hold for 30 minutes, the nice customer service representative explained how their decision was final, with no option for recourse whatsoever. Then she even transferred me to her manager, a filled-up voicemail box. Emails have gone unanswered for a month. Apparently they're affiliated with tigerdirect.com, which I understand has equally craptastic customer service. At this point, I'm gonna go to Fry's and try to get them to fulfill the rebate they promised me, as the rebate firm is effectively impossible to contact.

    Personally, I think it's safe to assume that Best Buy is no different, and unless they prove otherwise, I'll assume that they "hate their customers after all."

    1. Re:onrebate by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

      After waiting on hold for 30 minutes, the nice customer service representative explained how their decision was final, with no option for recourse whatsoever.

      I guess there's always small claims court.

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  4. They still hate us... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They just want our email addresses now so they can sell to every spam company in existance, that is all. I mean, its a great plan. They know for a fact that everyone has access to mail, but not everyone has access to the web. I think the only real good thing about this now is that we will no longer need to send in the UPC code which may get "lost" and deny you the rebate.

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  5. Corporate Spin by Tadrith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The idea that Best Buy actually cares about their customers boggles the mind.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with that. The fact is, Best Buy is running scared since the FTC recently made CompUSA responsible for the rebates they had offered. They were required to put out a good sum of money to make good on those rebates.

    From http://www.twice.com/article/CA6301701.html:

    "Best Buy announced in April 2005 that it intended to eliminate mail-in rebates from its portfolio within two years in an effort to improve customers' experience. The announcement also followed a warning from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) in March 2005 that retailers will be held accountable for all rebates they advertise, including those sponsored by vendors. The edict came after the FTC ordered CompUSA to make good on hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid rebate claims."

    1. Re:Corporate Spin by Nova1313 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Note: I worked there previously and I left because I got a better job full time.

      I noticed while there that it wasn't so much the best buy rebates that people had problems with. I worked customer service and we regularly offered to fix a problem with a rebate right there in front of you if you had a problem and recieved a rejection letter from best buy.

      However the big problem was the 3rd party rebates. (AKA when you have more then one rebate for a product). The rebates that went through individual companies usually seemed to come back unfullfilled. So while everyone gets upset at the company the problem exists all over. These third party rebates are often given at all retailers and aren't exclusive. Best Buy won't honor them because they are not theirs.

      I don't see how they will fix the third party rebates. As long as the companies offering them don't care then it's going to be a problem.

      I know the store I worked in went out of it's way to make the customer happy as long as oyu didn't jump down a rep's throat (because it's obviously their fault *sarcasm*) the moment you step up to the counter. The reason was we wanted return customers. Often there were times that people walked out screaming they would never shop here again to cause a scene. Next week I'd see them back and have to help them again and they were quiet as could be (kinda amusing to me). So while people say they will stop shopping at a store I find not many hold themselves to that.

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  6. For what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I worked as a contractor to establish this system for Best Buy. The end goal is that eventually they'll be able to submit rebate information directly at checkout and skip the process of mail-in forms or going online.

    1. Re:For what it's worth... by noidentity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, maybe they can streamline it more in the future. I'm thinking of a system like this (just an idea; don't attack me if I've oversimplified it):

      1. Cashier scans item
      2. Terminal looks up price
      3. Customer pays that amount
  7. opt-in by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful
    guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all.

    Sure they do.
    Best-Buy is computerizing their "Who to Hate" process.

    The best part is that it's opt-in.

    When you file a rebate, you opt-in!
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  8. Rebates mean you pay extra taxes by iplayfast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think about it. You buy a $1000 item for $800, but you are taxed on $1000. I hate rebates and will pay extra to avoid them. The only rebates are the ones on stuff thats being thrown out for next to nothing. Sometimes you can actually make money on those :0

  9. Satan says by gwayne · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Brrrrrr, It's kinda chilly today..."

  10. Cynical me. by loraksus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    chibbie writes "Best Buy is finally working towards ending mail-in rebates by 2007. Rebates will still be around, but you will be able to file them online, and receive your check much quicker. I guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all."

    Bullshit. Filing rebates online eliminates a paper trail, which will allow them to sit back and say, "whoops, you entered a number wrong, you don't get your rebate" or "whoops, you didn't submit on time, sorry, no rebate", or even "whoops, we never got your submission, sorry."
    The rebate companies hate the fact that customers keep copies of their rebate submissions - especially if they have delivery confirmation numbers that prove that they are lying.
    A copy with a delivery confirmation number is damn near irrefutable evidence in small claims court, even though collecting from some of the clearing houses is nearly impossible because they move around, change their names, etc so much.
    This might be a slightly cynical response, but really, how many of the people here haven't had to put up with bullshit (defined as the rebate company lying) when trying to get a rebate in the past?
    Of course, the only punishment companies get is a small fine and a "warning" from the FTC. Fraud on such a scale should be punished by jail time of executives, but, of course, that won't happen.
    And yes, boys and girls, sending out thousands of postcards stating "sorry, you didn't send your submission by the postmark date" when they know that you did, is fraud. Not paying out the rebate even when you send in proof / give them the tracking number that clearly states that it was mailed and delivered on x dates, is something else.

    (I'm looking at you logitech, you fuckers still owe me $20)

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  11. Optimism by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all."

    No, it means they can harvest (and sell) your address and contact info without having to pay for the envelope opener and data-entry team. That, and the cookies (oh, the cookies).

  12. Staples has been doing that... by DraconPern · · Score: 5, Informative

    Staples has been doing the online rebate thing for a really long time. They call it 'Easy Rebate', and it really is easy. And it is going to take BestBuy 2 years to implement it? Give me a break. They are just trying to appease the FTC.

    1. Re:Staples has been doing that... by loraksus · · Score: 4, Informative

      It should be added that Staples is one of the (if not the) most customer friendly box stores out there.
      Although I suppose it depends on the manager, I've never had a problem doing a pricematch and using one of their coupons (if you sign up for their catalog, you get a $30 off $150 coupon every month) and you can also save a couple percent if you use their business card (you get a check at the end of every quarter for 2% (or something) of your purchases). Also, I'm pretty sure that their free shipping if you buy $X doesn't exclude everything and their in-store clearance deals are usually really good (I got a zip drive with 5 zip disks for $20 and a $50 rebate printed out (so -$30 total price) when zip drives were still worth something)

      In the rare case that one of the chat CSRs decline a pricematch, you can always try again and you'll get a friendly CSR that does. Or be nice when you call in and you'll be given the pricematch.
      That said, when they switched to a different rebate house (a few months back) I had to call in and get my rebates shipped, but the person who I spoke with spoke english without an accent and was very pleasant to deal with and I've never had to lift a finger after doing the online submission again. If you think I'm shilling, take a look at my posting history, I'm highly critical of dishonest retailers (and don't mince words).
      It is a shame that they don't sell more tech stuff, it would be nice to deal with them more often.

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  13. Woah woah woah by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny
    I guess this means Best Buy doesn't hate their customers after all.
    Not so fast, there's no need to jump to any crazy conclusions here.
  14. Re:Second Link by loraksus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It really pisses me off that he groups those together, like people who bought a discounted computer are just as bad as those who are getting rebate checks from items they've already returned to the store.

    Absolutely. The head of Best Buy has an "interesting viewpoint" on the people who support his stores.
    I won't mince words, he goes on batshit insane rants about his customers pretty often, and seems to think that he is entitled to make profit (and as such, anyone who costs him profit by using a coupon, pricematching, etc is stealing directly from him), but that really isn't the issue.
    I have no problem with them validating rebates and punishing people who submit rebates and then return a product. Shit, if it becomes a pattern, take them to court or even have the DA file charges, but as you said, there is a difference between someone who engages in fraud and someone who wants to get a good deal and uses a pricematch and a coupon on an item that also has a rebate.

    Speaking of which - they already have a computerized validation system for rebates that apparently takes data from their POS system, if you return something, your rebate submission will be rejected. The 2 year timeline is completely unrealistic and is, quite frankly bullshit (many others have pointed this out)

    It also pisses me off that they are angry that some customers are forcing them to really honor the terms THEY MADE UP about price matching...

    Oh. My. FSM.
    Pricematching at Best Buy is like dealing with a schizophrenic. You never know what is allowed and what isn't. Sometimes you can use a coupon with a pricematch, sometimes you can't, sometimes the coupon price is subtracted from the pricematch, sometimes the after rebate price is used - it goes on and on and is really annoying.
    Even the stuff on the "pricematching sign" can be completely ignored by the managers. Managers will just shrug their shoulders when you read the sign to them and say something like "Well, that's how it is" as if you are in an episode of the Sopranos.

    To their credit, they have been cementing their position on several issues, although virtually every single policy change that they have set in stone has been hostile to their customers. Many of their rebates now specifically state that the rebate is not valid if a pricematch is performed on the item (terms like this were on the WD HDD rebate I filed about 6 months ago) and there are other examples.
    I really don't care, their prices aren't competitive on the items that I purchase (techie stuff) and the hassle isn't worth it either. To say nothing of the fact that a lot of items that they have good prices on are on perpetual backorder or are cancelled with no explanation given (During the black friday weekend, they cancelled several of my orders - a laptop, a Radeon X700 and something else, but they charged my card as soon as I placed the order, and didn't refund it until several days later)

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  15. I don't do rebates by Carpal+Tunnel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have also always received my rebate... eventually, but I have never taken advantage of a rebate without feeling taken advantage of.

    Let me get this strait. You want me to buy something at a marked up price, then spend the time and energy (time is money) to send in proof that i bought your product. Then, months later, after you have earned interest off of my money, i get some of it back, only to have saved a few dollars anyway?

    Oh yes... lets not forget about all those poor souls who didnt follow your directions properly, or forgot to send it in on time, or god forbid decided not to bother!

    Somehow this whole process disturbs me. It is a backassward coupon scheme, and i refuse to ever buy a product with a rebate (unless the pre-rebate cost is low already). I am almost always able to find the same product for only a few dollars more somewhere else without a rebate, and to me that is worth it.

    Anyone care to enlighten me on how rebates benefit me?