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Internet Firms Raise Profile on Capitol Hill

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "Internet companies have long been dwarfed in Washington by the lobbying might of telecoms. But now some firms are beefing up their D.C. operations, the Wall Street Journal reports, partly in an effort to push legislation that would prevent telephone companies from charging Internet companies for guaranteed fast delivery of Internet content. A telecom lawyer hired by Google last summer to build the company's Washington office tells the WSJ, 'Carrier control over Internet activity is bad for consumers. ... We're not worried consumers won't be able to reach Google. The real threat is to the next Google and to the services that are important for consumers.'"

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  1. Lobbyists are just bad by Rooked_One · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if we want to ever have a decent form of government, we can't have the big corps making all the rules. We are "THE PEOPLE" and when "A COUPLE OF PEOPLE" are making the rules instead of us, then why don't we just bend over for them to save some time. ;(

    1. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by Kickboy12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because legally a corperation is a person, as defined by the surpreme court. So... tecnically they do make the descisions. Which is bullshit.

    2. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by Neoprofin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually there are a lot of perfectly justifiable reasons to have lobbyist, what you're you're against seems to be the corrupt state the lobbying has reached today where it has become more of a way for the rich to influence those in power with a golf trip rather than paying someone to make sure congressmen know how things effect your interests. There are limits to the effects and logistics of letter writing campaigns.

      If your company is involved with in international trade (say Kodak) and you think that curretn trade laws are being exploited by your competition (say Fuji) how would you tell congress that the laws need to be looked at? Have all your employees take a day off to write to their congressmen? No, you hire a lobbyist to get the attention of some power people and tell them you're being screwed. Of course right after he leaves the Fuji lobbyist will be right in there saying that nothing they've done is unfair and no action needs to be taken. The same system applies for political action campaigns like gun control or environmental issues as well as for the big companies looking to protect their market.

      There is nothing wrong with teh practice of lobbying, there is certainly something wrong with the Money For Votes program that exists today.

    3. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by Khaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the problem now is that most elected officials aren't smart enough to understand technology. We have people who couldn't even start a computer without help out there making laws about computers*. Why not just let the blind make traffic laws while we're at it?

      * I have no actual evidence about any individual elected official. I'm just assuming they're as stupid as they act.

    4. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's rather naive.

      Government has the power to govern, i.e., regulate every aspect of individual or corporate life.

      But individuals have certain rights, and in the United States of America, those have actually been protected.

      Until now.

      Taxation is a necessary part of governance of economic systems. It provides a negative-feedback loop that prevents massive oscillations.

      Corporations want to have more rights than people, and as the people and the government, it's your job and mine to make sure they don't get it.

      Money is not votes, and never should be.

    5. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by killjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The government has a monopoly on the use of force to extract taxes and redistribute wealth and in the absence of that, Corporations cannot assume the same degree of influence and control over our lives and wallets."

      Considering that you depend on corporations for food, water, gasoline, entertainment, information and just about everything else except for air I'd say that is an amazingly naive point of view.

      Without strong govt you will be ruled by monopolies. The natural tendency of completely free markets is monopolies. History is full of examples all over the world. Hell in most third world countries half a dozen families own everything including the govt.

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    6. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by jadavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it would be better to pay them nothing.

      You get what you pay for. If you pay them nothing, then you will only get the type of people who seek power above all else, exactly what we don't want. The only way they could make money is by selling what they've got (the power) to the highest bidder. And we'd get all the people who couldn't make it with normal careers. And that's exactly what we have now.

      The best and the brightest are generally too tied up in a career to enter politics. It would be a major risk to their families to go from a job paying $100k to $0.

      We'd be driving away the best, most successful people in society and attracting the worst.

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    7. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by jadavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shouldn't our elected representatives step in to prevent the sale of dangerous goods for example?

      If it crosses a state line, then the federal government is a possible solution (if the problem doesn't solve itself through other channels). If not, the federal government should have no authority.

      Why is your first response to a problem to give the federal government the power to solve it? There are all kinds of alternatives to federal power. Certification and brand names go a long way to ensuring product quality and safety. If you buy from a brand that's been around 200 years, it has a major reputation to hold up. And if something goes wrong, you can bet they will have the money to pay when you sue them. Or if you buy the item from a reputable merchant, same story.

      If you still need more regulation after that, how about the states? That's what states are here for. All the details that the Constitution doesn't talk about are reserved for the states or the people (10th Amendment).

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    8. Re:Lobbyists are just bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To remit the power that corporations currently hold, one of two things need to happen:

      1.) A constitutional amendment needs to be passed that states something along the lines of "corporations are not people, do not rights as people, the rights of people outweigh the PRIVILEGES of corporations, and so on".

      2.) The current judiciary needs to be replaced with judges that do not interpret case law to mean "corporations are people".

      The first is far more likely. America need a leader to unite its people, break their apathy, and push this forward though.

  2. Re:Ironic? The real hypocrisy - China by saskboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " A telecom lawyer hired by Google last summer to build the company's Washington office tells the WSJ, 'Carrier control over Internet activity is bad for consumers. "

    Oh, so controling the content delivery is bad for consumers, is it Google? This rule doesn't apply in censoring content delivered in China?

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  3. The machine changes hands... by TheNoxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whenever the structure of power and technology changes, there is a brief opening window to actually implement good change. I would advise that people up their efforts of letter writing and such to Capitol Hill, as the newly refashioned, malleable nature of the machine makes it vulnerable to ensuring good.

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  4. Re:Ironic? The real hypocrisy - China by saskboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Company shitting all over US law = BAD COMPANY! NO! STAY!
    Company shitting all over China law = GO DEMOCRACY!"

    I think maybe you misunderstood me. Google is the hypocrite here, they are in the USA saying that carrier control of the Internet will stifle capitalism [which most people equate with democracy]. Yet just this week in China they were willing to censor the world's Internet content that they are [essentially the monoploy] carrier of.

    How exactly is my view of this hypocritical, and why isn't Google's as you see it?

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  5. Worst idea since internet tax.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I still hope they prevent this from happening. I'd be rather pissed off if I have a personal site from my own server for my resume, pictures, or whatever anyone would use an internet server for (maybe even a site....), and no one can get to it because large companies are hogging bandwidth. And then calling the company that hosts me, and hearing "Do you have $2000 a year to give us? That's what company x gave us, so they get more bandwidth". All I see this as is a way to shift the equal ground on the internet that allows small businesses to have a website to a more restricted and costly advertising/service like TV advertising. If a company has a good product, they can start and market it online (like Google at first). But with this, it would probably be fairly difficult to start up unless you had a lot of cash to guarantee your service will get bandwidth.

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  6. Guaranteed Fast Delivery? by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The wording of this post is already allowing "them" to change the terms of the debate to their advantage. Will the carriers really be charging for guaranteed fast delivery, or extorting money from internet companies to avoid artificial delays?

  7. Re:Ironic? The real hypocrisy - China by saskboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not completely different, actually it's just an economic barrier to service instead of a technological or political one like Google is implementing with China's government.

    Do you think the average poor sap on AOL is going to invest or even know to invest in premium Internet tiers? A tiered Internet will be as good as a censored one.

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  8. I guess they need more say by jerryodom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With Congress demanding private information from these companies I suppose someone has to tell them why it is or isn't a good idea to do certain things. Having Google just hand over log data probably looks like a perfectly harmless thing to some of these 50+ year old Senators who know jack about the Internet.

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  9. 4 more years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is sad that this story doesn't surprise me. In fact, back when Bush stole the election from Al Gore, I explained to my republican friends that its not that I'm so much for Gore, but every ounce of my being is against Bush. The country would have been in good hands with Gore and none of the bullshit we've seen come to pass would have occurred. And I'm not talking about 9/11, I'm talking about our childlessly impotent response to 9/11 and the subsequent sacrifice of 1000's of American lives and countless Iraqi lives by Bush under the guise of a lie.

    I gasp when I hear anyone suggest that the Monica Lewinsky "scandal" amounted to more than stealing from a cookie jar and lying about it- when Bush lies to us daily, spies on us, and breaks our laws; setup to keep the government from doing just that.

    If you want to argue about this, please don't bother- I'm not hanging around for responses. Like the rest of the country, I'm tired of this guy being in office and I'm ready to split the country in half and move if my half has to have him as president. I'd be happy to give the religious right their own country and leaders because I don't want them in my life. The scary thing is that they'd probably immediately declare war on the other half because the last thing the extreme republicans and the religious right want is freedom of religion and beliefs in the world. I sometimes believe such a war is coming...just like the middle east, we can't escape these morons whose belief in imaginary deities cause them to butt into the lives of others and attempt to legislate their religious edicts into law. Whether you're talking about the Taliban or Bush Administration, both hope to legislate their religious beliefs and both are a threat to freedom.

    You know what really bothers me? People will turn their heads the other way when this hits all the papers. "So what if Bush tries to silence scientists...its bad, but what am I going to do about it?" What you can do about it is vote for Democrats in the coming election so we can get enough seats to boot this guy based SOLELY on the countless laws he has broken. Donate money to the DNC. Throw out your politics, just count the number of laws he admits he has broken, but claims authority to break in the name of the American people! No President is above the law. If the president can break the law, then we have no law and he's not the President and we owe no allegiance to him- because the law is the only thing that makes him the President. Once he shows us that the law means nothing to him, he ceases to be the President of the United States. I don't care if he is "protecting the american people". The American people don't need a King who protects us- we had that- and we delcared independance and wrote our own constitution.

    We are not going back to a ruler who thinks they know better than our laws. Impeach today.

  10. Re:the old-fashioned way by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Russian roulette.

  11. WE ARE THE COMPANIES by a_greer2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I see some here saying that "the companies" shouldnt lobby, but cho owns the companies? I would say that a great majority here have a stake in Goog, MSFT, Walmart, Bell South, Verizon and other "evil big companies" via investment vehicals like retierment plans, and mutual funds. If these xompanies didnt make money, a lot of people would be worse off.

    I dont support some actions of major companies, but they are owned by a LOT of people, not just the C*O.