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IT Crowd On-line

prostoalex writes "IT Crowd, a comedy television show by UK's Channel 4, introduced on Slashdot earlier, has released the first episode, available on the official show site in Windows Media format." Pretty standard fare- there are nice touches like EFF stickers and an RTFM shirt scattered about. Some funny stuff, but the laugh track makes it really unwatchable for me.

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  1. meh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot is my sitcom

  2. Laughter Track by dougjm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats no laughter track, thats just how us Brits laugh!

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    1. Re:Laughter Track by david.joy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Firstly, "The Prisoner" wasn't a BBC show. It was made originally by Granada for ITV and as far as I know they still own it. But in fact the BBC has brought back "The Prisoner" -- it bought the rights and reran every episode at the beginning of 2005 on BBC 4. See the BBC 4 Prisoner web site. I can't speak for BBC America and so on as that is not strictly the BBC (it's part of a commercial subsidiary, BBC Worldwide).

      Getting back on topic, tbe purpose of a classical sitcom is not to portray real life accurately. If it did, it would be terribly boring. You're welcome to make a case for drama based on a geek lifestyle -- and it might well work, with a little creative licence. However, I do think that there is an amusing comic premise in the portrayal of geeks as people who are able to relate to technology more easily than to other people. If the series carries it off well then both geeks and end users should be able to recognise and empathise with the characters. After all, it's a stereotype that holds true in many cases.

    2. Re:Laughter Track by david.joy · · Score: 4, Informative

      As I understand it very few British sitcoms use a "canned laughter" track, preferring either to film most of the scenes in front of a live audience or at the very least to play the finished episode on monitors in front of a real audience. The BBC in particular is particularly keen to use live audiences wherever possible (see the BBC Tickets page for information on how to join an audience), and whilst this particular comedy was made for Channel 4 rather than the BBC the same view is held across the entire British television industry.

      You can usually tell, anyway -- canned laughter tends to be rather clinical (it starts and stops very abruptly) whereas live laughter will grow or subside as the individual audience members get the joke at different times. That said, a lot of people accuse even live audiences of being distracting or sounding artificial, and that's because the audiences are encouraged by the programme-makers to make as much noise as possible, even if a joke isn't very funny. That doesn't mean they are canned, though.

      Unfortunately, it's usually difficult to find out which programmes are and which aren't as those programme-makers that do rely on canned laughter are very reluctant to make the knowledge public. And in all programmes the editors will have tweaked the laughter track a bit afterwards to smooth over glitches, cuts and re-takes.

    3. Re:Laughter Track by slim · · Score: 2, Informative

      That said, a lot of people accuse even live audiences of being distracting or sounding artificial, and that's because the audiences are encouraged by the programme-makers to make as much noise as possible, even if a joke isn't very funny.

      It is, to an an extent, a directorial decision. I went to a sitcom shooting in Hollywood ("The Geena Davies Show" -- high prestige, huh?) where the warm-up guy, under direction from the production team, coached us in how to laugh. He'd say "Now remember, you're here to add to the atmosphere, and to encourage the actors, so if there's a joke where at home you'd just chuckle a bit, just exaggerate that a bit so it's a big belly laugh". For a second take, he'd say "This time around, you'll have heard the joke before, so you're not going to want to laugh quite as much -- but I want you to try and remember how it felt to see that the first time and laugh like you did that time." ... and so on ...

      Most amusingly, at one point in the story one of the characters drops a bombshell about an ex-lover or something. For take two, the warm-up says "Now we've just learned that [... whatever ...]; that's quite a bombshell, so when he says it again in the second take, everyone go 'ooooooooooooh!', let's practice that shall we?", then, "Oh wait a minute -- the director's telling me he doesn't want to go for that 'Home Improvements' vibe, so please do NOT do the 'ooooh' thing."

      There was a documentary about "the death of the sitcom" (referring specifically to home-grown UK sitcomes) recently. Studio audiences were discussed in depth. A studio shoot puts some major constraints on the production: sets have to be built like theatre sets, with a missing 4th wall, so you can only shoot from a limited number of angles. Actors have to project, so it's theatrical not naturalistic. Cameras and mics can't get in close because that would spoil the view for the studio audience.

      Their big comparisom was between "The Royle Family" and Victoria Wood's "Dinner Ladies". The former -- massively popular for some reason -- is filmed almost like a fly-on-a-wall documentary, with no studio audience, and is very naturalistic. Victoria Wood wanted that kind of atmosphere in Dinner Ladies, but for some reason ended up with a studio audience. What made it look particularly old fashioned -- and VW pointed this out -- was that lines that should have been throwaway gags, then move on, had to be projected to the audience, then during the ensuing laugh, the cast had to stand there "like lemons" (her words) waiting for enough quiet to deliver the next line.

    4. Re:Laughter Track by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's far too excessive.


      True, just watching them installing printer drivers, silently removing spyware and patching the corporate firewall would have been much more funny to the 0.005% of those in the know. (snort)

      Besides I don't know where you've been working but I've always seen characters like those lurking in the corners, including one that actually had 2 tshirts (one for summer, one for winter) who apart from that was a true wizard, one of the very few I've encountered. He did fail with the girls, and the boys, and probably got bitten by dogs as well. But he did get his patches in to gcc, managed to debug Guardian (the Tandem OS which we ran in addition to a number of Unix at the time) and would silently chuckle when looking at your tty, spotting in seconds a problem that would take you hours to fix.

      And yes we had plushy toys, dinosaurs and the plastic cat puke that always sat upon the newest machine. We also had a baseball bat with 'RTFM' engraved on the side hanging on the wall.

      What we didn't have, was a cute redhead as head of IT. Sometimes fiction surpasses real life.

      Anyway, I enjoyed that first episode, it reminded me of my younger days (well, apart from the redhead, luckily there were other sources for girls in the company), with a bit of BOFH added to spice things up. I regret that, being in France, I won't be able to see the rest of it (unless it too makes it to the net).
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  3. dont wanna stream? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. broken link by zxsqkty · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link should be mms://edge.channel4.com/theitcrowd/episode1_c4web. wmv, but it gets reformatted on posting making it un-clickable. Copy & paste...

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  5. Online before broadcast by NickFitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The really interesting thing about this is that the show won't be broadcast on Channel 4 until next Friday. I believe this is the first time a UK broadcaster has made a programmes available online before broadcast.

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    1. Re:Online before broadcast by slashknott · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, It's been done before more than once by the BBC.


      Mighty Boosh for one, Tittybangbang another. I'm sure there are more.

    2. Re:Online before broadcast by SpinJaunt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Man Stroke Women, being another..

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    3. Re:Online before broadcast by pjh3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you count that leaked episode of Doctor Who last year.

    4. Re:Online before broadcast by rodbegbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Auntie's done this a couple of times with BBC3 shows. The Mighty Boosh and Tittybangbang spring to mind.

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    5. Re: Online before broadcast by gidds · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yes, but has it been done before with something that was made for terrestrial TV?

      (In my area, I can't even get Channel 5, let alone anything on FreeView... Not that I'm bitter, you understand.)

      Anyway. Having seen it, I agree with the comments about the intrusive laughter track. But I it's no worse than we've been used to for decades; it's just that many of the more recent comedies have been brave enough to do without one, so its presence is more obvious now.

      I also agree with comments about the old-fashioned feel. The 'IT department' it shows is only really about PC support, which is a far cry from many IT roles. But then, that's not the point -- the show isn't really about IT, just as Father Ted wasn't about the priesthood, Black Books wasn't really about the book trade, and Big Train wasn't about locomotives. It's just a way to provide a bland office setting, and a couple of nerds.

      I found the show pleasant enough. Not particularly original, different, or inspired, but I've seen a lot worse. Still, Hyperdrive is the one I shall make sure I'm home for -- despite all the comparisons to another well-known sci-fi comedy, I think that's an original show, well made, and finding its own identity.

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    6. Re: Online before broadcast by gidds · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Open All Hours wasn't bad. The writing was a little formulaic, but the situation was fairly interesting, and Ronnie Barker was worth watching. (He was a better character actor than people gave him credit for.) Can't say it did a huge amount for me, though.

      OTOH, I hated Friends. Partly coz most of my college friends loved it, and I never understood why. It just seemed so smug, with all this fake coziness and forced charm. It seemed soulless. It also seemed as if having 300 writers led to a barrage of one-liners with no connection, character, meaning, style, plot, or point.

      Which has pretty much been my impression of all the US sit coms I've seen, in fact...

      A while ago, someone (Jeremy Hardy?) commented on the difference between the UK and US film industries, to the effect that while American films featured drama, tragedy, and ugly real life, British films featured amiable people getting into a bit of a pickle. Which is odd, because in sit com terms things seem to be reversed: British sit coms often have ugly, cruel, nasty characters, real monsters in some cases (think of Edmund Blackadder, Father Jack, Arnold Rimmer, just about anyone who lives in Royston Vasey...). Whereas the worst US sit coms seem to have is amiable people getting into a bit of a pickle. Impossibly good-looking, amimable people. Smug, impossibly good-looking, amiable people. Who always seem to have an impossibly witty amiable thing to say. And then have to wait two minutes for the applause to die down before continuing.

      US comedies are generally pretty popular over here, so I'm clearly in a minority with this one. But I just don't find any of them funny!

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  6. Thank god it's just audio visual by Quirk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A realistic 'IT Crowd' would just shows fat, oily, pimply, hairy geeks. Fortunately Smell-O-Vision didn't become a hit, or the 'IT Crowd' would have been, literally, an olfactory bomb.

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    1. Re:Thank god it's just audio visual by Bazzalisk · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's a weird thing, all the geeks I know who are noticeably fat spent a significant time in America. Is there something about the USA that causes its geeks to become overweight?

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    2. Re:Thank god it's just audio visual by saskboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Is there something about the USA that causes its geeks to become overweight?"

      That would be "Burger King" you're wondering about.

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  7. Re:Mac attack by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you tried turning it off and then on again?

  8. Re:Unplayable here (was: Re:dont wanna stream?) by fuct000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    works fine for me in mplayer just make sure you have the win32 codecs

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  9. Re:Mac attack by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2

    I just watched it on my iBook so there doesn't seem to be a total Windows dependence - it is Windows Media, though, so you'll need the appropriate software to play it.

    There was the semi-official Flip4Mac being waffled on about a few weeks ago, I used the prehistoric Mac port of Windows Media Player instead. I don't think I've ever seen it work for a full 25 minutes or so before.

    Anyway, trying to avoid sounding like a true nerd and switching off the white noise: the comedy itself. It was pretty funny, and was obviously more of the surreal Father Ted line than some razor-sharp nerd-specific humour - expect to see a vastly exaggerated version of reality, with the workers attempting to maim and/or kill the IT staff instead of some nerd-only Perl puns...

    I do think I'm going to have to try the speech recognition thing on my non-boss, though... ;-]

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  10. Re:Its too much! by Spad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, because the world of IT staff is such a limited premise compared to the world of a book store owner, for example.

  11. don't be a troll by rdx38 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    its a sitcom. it isnt thaat bad its cute and gives you that nice sitcom escapism feeling. its funny too

    1. Re:don't be a troll by GrayMatter4tw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This show did not make me laugh once. Seemed very poorly written, acted, and filmed.

  12. Re:Its too much! by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its by the same writer as father Ted and the producers of the office. Father Ted had 4 main characters and lasted for several series.

    Intense focus in a sit-com isn't bad, lets face it this is normal, low number of core characters and sets with occasional colour add ons.

    Fraser - 3 sets (appartement, Studio, coffee shop) - 5 main characters

    Cheers - 1 set (bar) depending on series between 4 and 6 characters

    Friends - 2 sets (appartement & coffee shop) - 6 characters

    Office - 1 set (Office) 4 main characters

    Father Ted - 1 set (the house) 4 main characters

    So Sitcom history seems to say that you almost NEED an intense small group of sets and characters.

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  13. next ep by joe+155 · · Score: 2, Informative

    its worth mentioning that on "newsnight review" they said that although the first ep was ok the second was better... might be worth seeing the next one... although I do hate laughter tracks.

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    1. Re:next ep by Cassius105 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no laughter track, its filmed infront of an audiance.

  14. It's just not funny by Simon+France · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It tries to play on the sterotype of the it business as well as trying to be trendy. It sucks, red dwarf is much better.

  15. If you can't get Mplayer working.. by schon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. then you're not much of a geek.

    I'm watching it right now with Mplayer (Slackware 10.1)

  16. Re:Mac attack by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Informative
    I have been trying to download the episode with both safari and Firefox , however I seem to be having no luck. Looks like you have to be using windows , so perhaps mac users are out of luck . though I could be wrong and just having problems on my end.

    aha... you've failed the test. Please surrender your Geek pass to security on the way out... :) a true geek would have tried an alternate approach such as cutting & pasting and replacing mms:// with http:///

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  17. In the interview with the Cute Chick... by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 2, Informative

    one of the questions is, "The show's filmed in front of a live studio audience. Did you find it difficult not to crack up in front of them?"

    There's another question the actress's past performance in a stage show called "Deep Throat". (Channel 4, prepare for Slashdotting!)

    Future episodes that I look forward to:

    #11 "The CD/DVD Tray Is Not A Coffee Holder"
    #13 "The CEO Nails Roy In The Head With His Chair"
    #14 "Roy Utterly Bungles His Google Telephone Interview"
    #17 "Meet Your New Colleagues In Bangalore"
    #21 "Moss Disguises Himself As Steve Jobs To Hit On The Receptionist"
    #24 "Avoiding Another Dot-Com Bubble By Cooperating With Oppressive Regimes"
    #25 "The CD/DVD Tray Is Not A Coffee Holder, Part 2"

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  18. Use mplayer. by cs02rm0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    mplayer mms://edge.channel4.com/theitcrowd/episode1_c4web. wmv

  19. Well done by gomaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this show was and is going to be very well done. It will have to exaggerate concepts and situations for the average user. I do think that "Nerds" or "Geeks" will find that the hummer is to played out for most issues but we are a select group of people and not the main audience target.

    I work in IT doing support for an Internet provider and I am willing to bet that they are going highlight most issues that I deal with on a daily basis. Granted, they are never that extreme but who cares. This may even show the average user that they need to relax before calling in. I think that capturing what the IT world does on film will be very hard but it looks like this show is on its way to doing just that.

  20. Re:Its too much! by wfberg · · Score: 2, Interesting


    So Sitcom history seems to say that you almost NEED an intense small group of sets and characters.


    If it doesn't have a small group of sets and characters... Then it's not a situational comedy, is it? It's either a sketch show, or standup comedy, or satire, or a late-night show, or a physical comedy show. Sitcoms have a few, recognizable, main characters, perhaps some recurring characters, and a small number of sets, because that's what makes it a sitcom. There are plenty of sitcoms that were totally unfunny, "despite" having a small group of characters and sets. There are also shows that are funny, but not sitcoms; or that stretch the format a bit (for example, to include storylines that span multiple episodes with characters actually developing/changing their personality; or as in Extras have the same characters, but in different - if similar - situations).

    In the same vein, succesful novels are often more than 30 pages. Whereas, surprisingly, many succesful short stories are less than 30 pages!

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  21. pretty decent by gubachwa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I was actually pleasantly surprised. It was pretty decent for a sitcom. I don't normally watch much TV, especially not sitcoms. (I consider 'Friends' one of the best reasons not to watch tv.)

    Are all the episodes going to be online, or just the premiere?

  22. Mac - no stream by Crisses · · Score: 3, Informative
    curl -O http://edge.channel4.com/theitcrowd/episode1_c4web .wmv

    You can add wget to a Mac, but curl is standard.

    Then you probably need to get VLC to watch it, but who's counting ;)

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  23. Tough crowd, tough crowd... by ursabear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It wasn't that bad. If one looks at it as humor, and not with an ultra-critical eye, it is pretty funny (if a little overacted).

  24. Re:Its too much! by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, I agree. It only really made me chuckle a few times throughout the episode, and there was far too much shouting throughout that made everything looks rather forced and wooden.

    Richard Ayoade (the black guy, Moss) is an apalling actor. I know he's meant to look awkward and have a nerdy voice, but he comes across as some kind of robot. He was in a very weird show on Channel 4 a while back called Garth Marenghi's Dark Place, and he was presumably in that because all the acting was *meant* to be terrible.

    The other 2 are unconvincing. The Irish guy is just a cad, and the woman is way too cute to be in a basement with them; she'd be out of there in 5 seconds in real life.

    What's weird is the enormous amount of effort channel 4 seem to have put into advertising this very average work - I've seen billboard and TV ads around.

  25. Re:Great by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least it didn't come with commercials.

    [Insert Laugh Track Here]

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  26. Re:Unplayable here (was: Re:dont wanna stream?) by MentalMooMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is hard to get a fully working mplayer with win32 codecs on x86_64, because you need to compile with -m32 for the codecs to work. Doing this means that you need all the 32-bit libraries that mplayer requires, and there are a lot of them. If you use rpm then installing the 32-bit libs as well as the 64-bit ones (for other apps) creates conflicts.
    So, it's possible, but hard. It's not worth the effort for me, so I just statically compile mplayer on a 32-bit box and move it over to my desktop.

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  27. What's wrong with a laughter track? by JackDW · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why is a laughter track a bad thing? Bearing in mind that the laughter you hear on this show is the sound of the studio audience, watching the show as it was recorded, and not "canned".

    Today, it is fashionable to make comedy shows without an audience. However, this is not because there is anything wrong with a laughter track. Here, for example, is a list of successful English shows with laughter tracks.

    • Monty Python's Flying Circus
    • Fawlty Towers
    • Red Dwarf
    • I'm Alan Partridge
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    1. Re:What's wrong with a laughter track? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Which to me is slightly ironic, because when younger I watched the Mash TV series - it was shown n the UK on BBC2 over a number of years. It was funny but also thought provoking, moving and bleak.

      Yet when it was later reshown (by Sky I think), I was amazed to find that Mash came with a laughter track. (and it was canned laughter, not studio laughter). It utterly changed the whole tone of the show, and I basically couldn't watch it.

      I'd be curious to know if this laughter track was used as a matter of course in the US, or whether the original US broadcasts were shown without laughter track, as God intended.

  28. Re:Unplayable here (was: Re:dont wanna stream?) by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just install the 64-bit version, and then run a chroot that is purely 32-bit. I don't have much installed there - mainly closed-source stuff, open-source stuff like openoffice which barely builds cleanly 32-bit let alone 64-bit, and semi-open stuff like java which also doesn't do all that well on 64-bit (hello.java works fine, but good luck getting freenet/eclipse/netbeans/etc to work reliably...). Best of both worlds, although my install is using an extra few GB as a result...

  29. Re:snort track by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean a bunch of nose snort laughs?

  30. Hot Ear by jonoid · · Score: 2

    Moss: "She's a little bit weird, to say the least."
    *sprays water on his ear*
    Roy: "What's that?"
    Moss: "Oh, just water. Sometimes I get a hot ear and this helps cool it down."

    I am affected by the same condition! I keep a spray bottle filled with water on my desk when my ears get too hot.

  31. So jealous... by shish · · Score: 2, Funny

    Their IT manager knows more about computers than mine ;_;

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  32. Re:Retro Computing by yoz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well spotted! That particular machine (along with a load of other junk^H^H^H^Hvaluable retrocomputing paraphernalia you'll see scattered around the set) belongs to my father-in-law. Talkback raided a few different people's collections for the set - watch out for more, as I think they're changing stuff around to some degree every week.

  33. Re:Unrealistic by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're right - Graham Linehan should go back to his more successful and hyper-realistic sitcoms like Father Ted, Black Books, Hippies and Big Train.

  34. Re:Its too much! by carou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And he co-wrote the first series of Black Books, as well, which had a core cast of three.

    One thing that may be unfamiliar to American readers, is that the usual model of British TV sit-coms is that a series lasts for just six or eight episodes, very tightly scripted (normally by just one or two writers) and concentrated: the best of them will fit as many laughs into three hours of TV, as a typical American sitcom will get in a 26 episode run.

    Short series mean there's less danger of ideas getting stale; on the other hand, a new programme can't afford to spend more than one or two episodes setting up the situation - with a longer season you could have filmed ten episodes before the writers or cast have really hit their stride, but that's just not an option for a producer in the UK.

  35. An interview with the writer by Bob[Bob] · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's an interview with the writer/director, Graham Linehan, published yesterday:
    http://telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2 006/01/28/btvline28.xml

  36. Sorry ... by hummassa · · Score: 2

    That said, a lot of people accuse even live audiences of being distracting or sounding artificial, and that's because the audiences are encouraged by the programme-makers to make as much noise as possible, even if a joke isn't very funny. That doesn't mean they are canned, though.
    Sorry, but that's exactly what it means (that the laughter is canned, even if it's a different kind of can.

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  37. Re:If you want to have technobabble, get it right! by Jaseoldboss · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Who spotted the reference to Mark Russinovichs blog on the Sony rootkit?

    It's never safe to unload a driver that patches the system call table since some thread might be just about to execute the first instruction of a hooked function when the driver unloads; if that happens the thread will jump into invalid memory.