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86 games for the 360, 45 for the PS3
MBCook writes "Joystiq has posted lists of 86 Xbox 360 and 45 PS3 games that are expected to be released in 2006. They contain expected games (Halo 3, Killzone), ports (Burnout Revenge, Half-Life 2), sequels (SSX 4, Armored Core 4), and more. As for the Revolution? From the third link: 'For those who are wondering: the Nintendo Revolution list is just 8 titles long right now. Nintendo is being characteristically tight-lipped about their plans for the Revolution.'" The word seems to be that some of the mystery around the Revolution will be revealed at this year's GDC.
...121 will be sports.
I'd rather have quality than quantity when it comes to console games. I'm pretty sure that FFXII is worth about 20 xbox360 games...
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If the games are good, it shouldn't really matter who has more titles. This is nothing more than the console version of measuring penis length. Now, when you include previous-generation titles that play on the new system, who comes out ahead?
My vote is still for the PC.
The number of games expected to be released for one system in 2006 is far greater than the others. Only one system has been released already. Guess which one it is?
Is this anything other than an obvious function of stage of development? Or just some pro-360 spin?
Hasn't the mountain of discount no-hoper PS2 titles taught the industry to go for quality not quantity?
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One decent game that kept me engrossed for hours and hours than 100+ rubbish games that I wish I'd never spent my money on. I suppose the problem for the developers though is tat they want to make a game that is just good enough to make you want to buy more but not so good that you never want to buy another one. It's a tricky problem and personally I think they have been failing badly for a number of years.
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Is that box 360 has less than double the number of titles planned this year than another console which has not even been released yet. Geez, Microsoft, you'd think the developers were shunning you.
As the author of the original article states on the very first line:
This list shouldn't really be compared to the list of Xbox 360 titles that are to be released in 2006 because the PlayStation 3 isn't out yet and because we still don't know a whole lot about the system or the games that are scheduled for it.
Now compare that with the headline for this story. I can't wait to see if the dupe headline is any better :)
Fanboy or not, I don't care how many games there are, as long as there is one I want to play. The console I end up buying, will depend on which games tempt me the most.
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are just part of the 2006 EA Sports lineup that the PS3 won't have (the 2007 lineup will be ready when the PS3 is released).
*ducks*
The PS3 is going to be using games that come on blu-ray disks, wich can hold a lot more data than the DVDs that the X-Box currently uses.
They can. But what makes you think they will?
Besides, Sony doesn't intend to sell the PS3 at a loss, so the profits won't have to be made back in the games.
But they're still charging developers a royalty per game. just because they don't have to doesn't mean they aren't going to. They're after profits.
Much bigger news (and news that one would think would appeal directly to the /. crowd) is that so many third-party developers have already commited to the Revolution and many more are very interested. Not only that but the fact that from day 1 Nintendo has pledged support for indie/single developers! What more could we ask for, and it gets *zero* coverage. Now, this may change once the full details are known, but with all the fluff and hype covered about everything else this has received NOTHING.
Of those supposed 86 Xbox 360 titles, how many will even be decent? Judging by the fact that out of the 15 or so launch titles, maybe 1 is decent that equates to about 5-6 decent games over the full spread. So in a year and a half you get 5 or so decent games. Now, how many of those are cross-platform or PC games? Oblivion, anyone? And the fact that the Oblivion system specs. were released and not too massive (2ghz, 512MB, common ATI/Nvidia cards, DX9).
Same for the PS3. Oh, but wait Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 is NOT a game console. They are banking heavily on the blu-ray angle. We are all aware of the standard Sony fare and the same proportions of decent:crap as MS. So they may have 3 solid titles out of their lineup.
To buy either the 360 or PS3 to play a handful of titles that are still a year out is a bit silly. Add to this the slow release schedules due to cost and dev. time and you have two expensive consoles that will be seeing more standby time than action. Unless you use your PS3 to play all the Blu-Ray discs you will be buying up like crazy to replace those "so-outdated" DVD's you just built up. I guess just like how we all own so many UMD movies and games... ooh, and mini-discs, don't forget the ubiquitous mini-disc in America.
Two powerhouse machines built around closed standards, DRM, and hype... or the Revolution, with close to open development, low cost, quick development time, standard media, and a back catalog a mile long... even if you are a fanboy it is hard to not see this.
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If you've got a PS2 and like tactical games, I highly recommend getting it. Also consider that it has intuitive controls, a great storyline, a fair amount of humor, and, of course, Prinnies*. Alas, it's kinda hard to find at times due to a small production run.
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If there was one game out there that could make my ears perk up and get me to actually look forward to the PS3, it's a new AC title on a more powerful system. Here's hoping they really take advantage of that power. Oh, and if the release of AC4 results in Kotobukiya putting out more Armored Core kits, all the better.
The AC game for the PSP could have got me buying a PSP, if it hadn't been a big AI training game.
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They can. But what makes you think they will?
4.7 GB should be enough for anybody!
The system that's most amenable to shovelware tends to win. First it was the Atari 2600, then it was the NES ("Seal of Quality" notwithstanding). In the min-90s Sony took the shovelware crown from Nintendo. Now it's Microsoft's turn. They have delivered a platform that's far easier to develop for than their competitors, and more developers are going to commit to a Microsoft console. That generally means more shitty developers, but people tend to buy the console with the most industry support, not the one with the most great games (or else Dreamcast would've been end-of-lifed around now instead of 5 years ago).
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"Besides, Sony doesn't intend to sell the PS3 at a loss, so the profits won't have to be made back in the games. "
Yes absolutely Sony intends to sell the console at a loss. Other Blu-Ray players being released later this year will be pushing $1500. There is no way they are selling an early (practically beta) version of a Blu-Ray player AND a gaming machine with a CELL processor at cost.
Sony will most likely be selling this at a substantial loss. PS3's release will coincide with the release of Halo3 and a Xbox360 price cut to around $250. PS3 must launch in the 400-500 range at most to have any chance of competing, and this is much less than the manfacturing costs.
Here's my anecdotal evidence as well. Just this Saturday I was in CompUSA, Best Buy Circuit City, and WalMart. 360's were in each store ready to be purchased. In all but one location, no one was even playing the demos. Where someone was, they were playing Call of Duty 2. I watched for a minute as he played on an HDTV. After a minute I hung my head in disgust. Oh la la. They have PC level graphics only a few years later.
I'm not impressed by the 360's actual performance. I'm not believing anything about the PS3's supposed performance. Nintendo is trying something different. I look forward to it. My PC allows me to mod. PC for me with the possibility of a Revolution.
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Did you really look? Really?
Just on the first page of results for "Xbox 360" right now there is:
Premium (+extras) with ~45 minutes left, bidding only up to $380, reserve not met.
Premium (+extras) with ~45 minutes left, only $10 over retail cost.
Premium with ~45 minutes left, $40 under retail cost.
Premium with no bids at all ~30 minutes left.
Premium with ~20 minutes left, 4 bids, at cost.
Premium with ~10 minutes left + game, under retail.
Core system, ~10 minutes left, no bids.
Core system, ~10 minutes left, no bids
Premium with ~30 minutes left $5 over retail.
Premium with ~30 minutes left $10 over retail.
Premium with ~30 minutes left with buy it now at cost, and no bids.
There are some going for way over retail (for whatever reason), but for the most part they are just sitting there without much markup. The ones with a large markup on the buy it now remain unsold. Not trying to draw any conclusions here, but the ebay market isn't going bezerk for them anymore.
because Konami, a Japanese game company I hold shares in, is producing them.
Think one is a soccer game, another one is a dance game, and can't remember what the other one is off hand.
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If better resolution and graphics + ability to mod are as important as Micro$oft and $ony say they are, why are they not making games for the pc?
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Well, 255 are FPS clones that all are pretty much the same, 49 are game ports that are only there to use HDTV graphics, and 50 are sports games that are pretty boring, which leaves you with about 6 that are worth even looking at ...
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And raise you one Elder Scrolls. I spent more time with Morrowind than any other non-MMORPG game ever. If anything were to convince me to buy a 360, that would. Seems kind of silly to drop that much money for one game though, and I've no intention of ever hooking the thing up to the Internet so I'll probably end up giving both consoles a miss (I'll be damned if I ever buy another Sony product.)
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...or do both lists look like it's going to be a slow year of console gaming.
So far, I'm only interested in Halo 3, Winning Eleven, Lost Odyssey, the Rockstar game, and Jade Empire 2 (which is only rumored). I'll be playing Elder Scrolls IV on my PC (who wants to pass up all that fan-made goodness?). What happened to Playstation RPGs? There doesn't seem to be a single one on the list, which is highly disappointing.
I wish Nintendo would get with publishing info about upcoming games on their system. The controller just isn't enough... in fact, I don't really care much about it. Give me some games!
Well of course. We all know that the larger of a footprint a game has the better the quality, right?
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I'm glad the Xbox 360 is getting some games. It's been hilarious watching the magazines salivate over the launch titles. Imagine Publishing's 360 magazine (UK) launched four months prior to the launch of the console. I bet they were tired of filling the entire mag with previews.
The price of an electronic device can be divided into a fixed development cost for the first unit, plus a marginal cost for each additional unit. The fixed development cost is usually spread out over each "expected" sale for an initial period. Which is why the cost fall drastically after that period.
It is quite likely that the PS3 will be sold for a price above the marginal cost, especially since Sony is co-developer of both the CELL processor and the blue-ray disc technology. Since they have alreaady paid directly for the development of these technologies, they will not have to pay for it again through a unit license fee. Unlike other providers of CELL or blue-ray based devices.
They will still have to regain the development cost for all three technologies, most likely in game licensing fees.
If Sony isn't selling the PS3 at a loss and it does actually meet the published specs, it'll be near $1000. No way they're going to be able to charge that much for a console, so I'm positive it will be sold for a loss an subsidized by game sales, just like before.
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Well if you already have a high end gaming PC, then consoles really don't make sense if you want the games that are available across both platforms. On the other hand, if your PC is a few years old, $400 or so to play CoD2, Quake 4, ES4: Oblivion, and many other games at 1280x720 or 1920x1080 at a decent framerate is cheaper than a new video card, more RAM, and potentially a new CPU (maybe with a new motherboard).
Thanks to the PCI Express transition, upgrading an older PC to play modern games almost requires rebuilding the machine, since it's pointless to invest in a high-end video card that's tethered to a dying slot.
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Microsoft does produce game for the PC. I didn't think Sony made game in house, just thought 3 party publishers, unlike the other two.
It is a well known fact that people aren't so willing to buy new stuff right after (about 2 months) Christmas? High credit card bills (and high energy bills) dominate most people's thought at this time.
Sure, Windows PCs dominate the market. But so do cheap toupees.
If you don't like upgrading your PC, then don't do it ... If you don't want the new functionality that requires the faster PC hardware, then you can stick with games without it.
Will games without it continue to be released?
Historically Nintendo has been the most closed of all the games console companies, just go check out their developer requirements at WarioWorld some time.
ivan256 seems to think that anybody who knows how to write the simplest business plan can satisfy those requirements. If you disagree, see this discussion and help me out if you can.
My PC allows me to mod.
Which handheld system did you choose? Phones are too often locked to programs approved by the carrier. Nintendo DS and Sony PSP are (at least nominally) locked to programs approved by the manufacturer. GP2X is not for sale at brick-and-mortar retailers in the United States.
4.7 GB should be enough for anybody!
I'm assuming that your comment was sarcasm, but have you played .kkrieger? (Use Google.) It's a complete first-person shooter for PC in 96 KB. Algorithmic textures are the future.
Why? No actual Revolution games have been announced. None. Nintendo has said that there "will be" a Metroid for the Revolution. And they have shown two seconds of pre-rendered footage. That's no announcement.
We don't know how many Revolution games will come out. There will most likely be more than 8, but we don't know yet. There's no reason to argue either way. There's no reason to "defend" Nintendo for "only having 8 games", because we don't know how many (or, more importantly, which) games they will have.
That's funny, I have the opposite problem when people talk about Ace Combat...
Why anybody would get so excited about flying little planes around when there's robots to build and go beat on is beyond me, though...
And no, I didn't know AC4 was going to be on XBox as well. Looks like the PS3 vs. XBox 360 question is still open, for me. Network support could be a deciding factor, so I hope Sony's got their shit together. (But Nintendo Revolution is already a given. Gotta get one of those...)
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