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Ubuntu Linux Eyes Gadget Apps
An anonymous reader writes "Three developers have launched a project to turn Ubuntu into an embedded Linux distribution, according to a story on LinuxDevices.com. The resulting "EmbeddedUbuntu" OS aims to simplify the creation of embedded software for gadgets such as mobile phones, PDAs, and web tablets, and provide their owners with easier access to sophisticated open source desktop applications, such as multimedia streaming software. What do you think: will they call the mobile version Mobuntu?"
Wishful thinking... l00zer! I broke down and made an off topic post. What are you going to do? Reduce my upstream bandwidth?
It appears to be an official Ubuntu project:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmbeddedUbuntu
Why not something more stable? I don't use it because everyone I hear from who has installed it has found a number of bugs in any stable version. If I were going to embed something and go with a Linux distro, I'd at least go for Debian Stable.
I only hope it means you could have Geyes on your Palm. Geyes is the only reason why I use Linux, well among others.
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It appears to be an officially sponsored Ubuntu project.
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Ubuntu indeed does not give you root access through the GUI and quite frankly it isn't necessary, running Linux as root is the same as running Windows as administrator, especially in the GUI!
At home, I run my Breezy as a normal user (I'm the only one on that machine), and I've never had to resort to the root user. 'sudo' _is_ enough for all your tasks, or if you prefer GUI password box 'gksudo'.
I don't understand why peopl gripe about this structure.. on the one hand they scream at the tops of their lungs that running admin in Windows is bad, but on the other hand, they do expect to have root (and nothing less) when running in Linux. Why?
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They could have gone with Gentoo... although the wait for it to compile could possibly be longer than the expected lifetime of the device.
The only reason why I can see them using Ubuntu is the fact that you can have it do a very minimum install. The "server" install of ubuntu doesn't install anything unless you tell it to. In theory, you can do a whole install, and have a machine lacking such normal apps like make or sshd. Compare this to Fedora which is at the bare minimum a 5 CD distro due to how they manage their portage and other stuff.
As for Ubuntu being buggy... The AMD64 port really really sucks (I noticed that LDAP and NFS support is very borken.) Also, their portage is very out of date. On my Ubuntu (x86) desktop, I just upgraded from 2.6.12 to 2.6.14... meanwhile, Gentoo is using 2.6.15-r(something). I can only wonder what version of OpenSSH is installed on my Ubuntu box (Gentoo is up to 4.3 already). They really need to get their crap together on that.
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With what? I fail to see how your rant about the lack of a root user has any relevance to the parent post about system stability.
Ubuntu uses sudo instead of an explicit root. So does OS X. It's designed as a security measure so that users don't have to remember their own password and the root password. Or worse, permanently login to their machines as root and expose themselves to security concerns.
To avoid prepending sudo to each command, you could always start a "root shell" with
Maybe I've been asleep too long and missed the news... but haven't they had embedded Linux for a decade now? What makes this one newsworthy?
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Why stop with "Mobuntu?"
I want to create a really screwed up version of Ubuntu so I can call it "FUBARuntu".
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Is it racist to say that a brown desktop looks like shit? Ubuntu is OK but why on EARTH would they make that the default color?
I whole heartedly agree. Nothing was more irritating to me than to install Kubuntu ( the 'Breezy Badger' distro ) than to find out that I couldn't graphically interface as root, even though it would prompt me with the *psudeo*-root password.
Why didn't you just run "sudo passwd root" and edit your kdmrc to enable root logins if you felt the need for a graphical login?
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You're clearly a victim of cultural conditioning. Most human beings who don't live in cities see a mixture of browns and greens whenever they look outside, and don't have a problem with it. We tend to go for the same colors inside houses, too. Brown wood panelling for walls has up-market associations, but the lobbies of expensive hotels presumably don't remind the visitors of shit. There is no a priori reason why computer screens should have blue backgrounds.
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WTF?
Do you have any idea what portage is? I'll give you a big hint. Fedora doesn't have it. Neither does Ubuntu.
I have a black desktop, and I like it ;-)
I use colours to indicate something (syntax highlights, buttons I often use, etc). If it's not important, it doesn't need a colour. I like having a pretty picture as a wallpaper, but it only ever distracts me, in that little chink visible between windows.
And yes, I prefer reverse video (white on black) too. Brightness hurts my eyes.
To see sky...I stand outside and enjoy real clouds that look completely different to yesterdays clouds.
I'm using Ubuntu since the first version now, and even though I like the distro for my daily need (just surfing, watching movies/dvds and webdesign), but let's be honest, Ubuntu is secure enough (sudo makes it that way) for normal users and it has some neat apps, but it still isn't stable enough.
If I had to use a distro for embedding, I'd go for Debian, since that one has proven to be very stable and secure. My servers are running Debian, and I never had any problem with it at all.
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I don't believe gp was login in, it's the gksudo equilevant in kde that doesn't work. I've had the same problem with gksudo.
Your advice is way too complex for any regular user.
I don't believe gp was login in, it's the gksudo equilevant in kde that doesn't work. I've had the same problem with gksudo.
Perhaps, but he also stated the cli was crippled.
Your advice is way too complex for any regular user.
He said he wanted to be root, not a regular user.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
what's really nice is the first user created has sudo priviledges, all others do not by default...
so if you've got any sense, then you create the first user as something like "admin" and give it a sensible password, then give your normal users their logins as required. If someone has to have sudo access, then you can give it to them otherwise, you switch user to "admin" and do the admin task
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>> I don't believe gp was login in, it's the gksudo equilevant in kde that doesn't work. I've had the same problem with gksudo.
>Perhaps, but he also stated the cli was crippled.
So? He was talking about different things.
>> Your advice is way too complex for any regular user.
> He said he wanted to be root, not a regular user.
Regular as in average joe, not in as joe$. Most regular users run their own machines so they have to be root sometimes.
...or you could just turn the root account back on...
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>>> Your advice is way too complex for any regular user.
>> He said he wanted to be root, not a regular user.
> Regular as in average joe, not in as joe$. Most regular users run their own machines so they have to be > root sometimes.
I'd guess his point was that if you want to use ubuntu as an average joe, you can get by perfectly with sudo. Indeed, I did and I could. If you really want to unleash the power of root, well, be prepared to do a bit of work.
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And then accidentally type 'rm /* -R'
I'd guess his point was that if you want to use ubuntu as an average joe, you can get by perfectly with sudo. Indeed, I did and I could. If you really want to unleash the power of root, well, be prepared to do a bit of work.
Exactly. I've only played a little with Kubuntu but even in Gentoo I find it very rare to actually need to login as root for anything.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Maria and her class mates of a primary school need to make up a report on how to protect the environment of dolphins, digitally recorded by them. They ask assistance from Jeff who selects a suitable subset of Ubuntu applications. He then generates an Embedded Ubuntu system image for the Internet Tablets they have and flashes it on the devices. The kids use Gstreamer, for example, and through WiFi connection they send their 5 minutes content to a 3G mobile phone of their teacher, which sends the content to other children in another city who have never seen a dolphin in their lives.
Ok, I hope Maria's in graduate school because I'm not sure I could pull that off.
I still don't understand the necessity for a full-featured OS on a cell phone or PDA. Sure it's cool and all, but being the features required for devices like those are a small subset of what you need on a PC, their OS is perfectly fine from my point of view.
...or just use "sudo su" to login to root whenever you want without needing to activate the account. (This only works as a user with appropiate sudo priveleges of course.) If people's gripe is that you can't get a root shell in Ubuntu without fully enabling the root account, they're mistaken.
The only reason why I can see them using Ubuntu is the fact that you can have it do a very minimum install.
.iso, but I have it on a mini-CD, which means it's no more than 60MB. It takes less than 20 minutes to install, and I can specify to install just a barebones system, which means it does not have ssh, rsync, or a number of other basic utils that I normally use. It's faster to install the bare-bones and apt-get the few other utils I need than to do a larger install. If the intent is a minimal install, that is about as minimal as one can get and certainly is a heck of a lot more stable than Ubuntu.
When I installed most of my systems with Debian Sarge, I used the Net Install disc. I forgot the actual size of the
Call me crazy, but wasn't the premise of Ubuntu to concentrate on making a great desktop OS on a select few platforms, with the argument that Debian is more for having universal portability across a wide array of platforms? I know there is already embedded Debian, not that I mind there being embedded Ubuntu. I just hope they don't spread themselves too thin. And secondly, instead of making another Linux that runs embedded, why don't they make a small handheld platform with touchscreen and USB host support so we can cheaply and easily make our own embedded projects easily from commodity parts?
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every person that deserves to have a root session just does sudo su - on Konsole/(ya)kuake/GNOMEterminal and goes by... :-)
Seriously, if you can't grok something that simple, stay on the "not root" zone the most time you can, please.
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I used portage to refer to all of those damn packages in .rpm form that are on all of those damn install CDs.
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Why? It's simple to get a base install with little cruft with only two steps:
http://phil.cryer.us/ubuntu/
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sudo passwd root
At least I can then log in as root should I need to...
Sometimes sudo just doesn't cut it, I've found. It's rare, but it happens.
You could just as well say, "I use the term night to refer to the period between morning and evening" or, "I use the term black to refer to the color with the code #ffffff."
Trying to redefine words, especially proper names, to make it look like you knew what you were talking about only makes you appear more foolish. Just be a man and admit that you have no clue wtf you are talking about.
yes, very nice, but the point is, every machine has a root account, it's a given, but not having a root password means they have to obtain an account name for the machine and that's harder, especially if things have been set up correctly so that any exposed services are chrooted. That way, they can't get access to the /home directory to learn any account names.
this is of course conditional on keeping up to date with security patches so that any exploits are blocked, otherwise, a simple buffer overflow could give them what they desire most, access sufficient enough to get a rootkit installed.
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"Portage" is Gentoo's package management system. He was using it to refer to all package management systems in general, much in the same way some people use "Kleenex" to refer to all facial tissue products.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
"Portage" is Gentoo's package management system.
Which is why I referred to it as a proper name, yeah? (I'm typing on a Gentoo box right now, btw) Regardless of which, it's wrong. You don't refer to all small cars as Sentras, do you?
When Gentoo's been around as long as Kleenex, then you can make the argument that it's a genericized trademark.
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