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Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour
linuxbeta writes "Hot on the heels of Gentoo's announcement of their 2006.0 release, OSDir has published a Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour which give us a walk-through of installing Gentoo with the first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD."
Gentoo with the first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD.
I have been installing Gentoo on multiple systems for years and I ALWAYS used their LiveCD. This is hardly the first ever LiveCD.
I love gentoo for Its flexibility, good work :)
enthralling. ;)
The Extra Packages page shows some really bad form. Calling the user "you hoser"? I know Gentoo is a hobbyists distro but c'mon, should at least maintain a level of professionalism.
~Rebecca
I have always liked Gentoo, but the install process is definitely time consuming. I don't do it often enough to have memorized all the steps, so I always have to print out the installation guide from the web when putting it on a new system. This graphical installer looks great, and it doesn't seem like they've dumbed anything down, just made it more convenient.
Other than the time it takes to compile packages, I think Gentoo really is the best distribution out there for the power user. I use it on all my desktops and servers (although some of the very important ones run Debian): the combination of one-command package installing, up-to-date packages (an area where Debian is lacking) and very fine-grained dependency control is hard to beat.
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While you learned a fair bit installing Gentoo the old way, I really welcome the new installer. The cool bit about Gentoo for me was it was very easy to maintain once you got the bloody thing installed and running. I use Linux as an OS, and code. Don't care to ever become a dark master at any OS. This just makes it easier for more ding dongs like me to get a source based distro running. I'll have to give the new installer a whirl on a VM and see how it goes.
Kudos to all you who made it easier on n00bs like me!
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
So it looks pretty nice, but I hope they retain the old way for flexibility. Knowing Gentoo, I think we're safe. This will be pretty nice when it's finals week and I accidentally mess something up and just need it to work again, now. I think it'll probably just about double Gentoo's userbase, because the biggest complaint about it is probably the install.
I burst into laughter when I reached the screenshot with the CFLAGS and USE flags. It looks like a good installer, but I just couldn't help it. I tried 2005.1 a few weeks ago.
I didn't know I could run Windows 95 with Gentoo. Cool!
Just to beat the h8ers to the punch:
All's true that is mistrusted
This is even better than the last week MacBook Pro unboxing pron!
//WR
a live cd. let me guess, it takes 4 hours to compile the cd driver, and 6 days to compile the installer?
Oh please! Am I the only one who thinks it's a carbon copy of Gentoo 2005.9.9a?
And you guys criticize Microsoft for not innovating!
-William Brendel
I see Gentoo being picked up by a lot of people that have otherwise avoided it before!
I'm currently dual booting gentoo 2005.1 (amd64) and Suse 10 (x86)
Suse 10 is buggy but there are some 32bit only apps I'm stuck with,
like the proprietary drivers for my very expensive scanner, hence the dual booting.
I'll be emerging 2006.0 overnight and we'll see what new goodies we get.
Personally I'm extremely disappointed that the still are stuck on KDE 3.4
WTF is up with that? They claim 3.5 isn't stable yet. What are they smoking?
I've been using KDE 3.5 on my Suse since last year.
Come on Gentoo, get with the program!
As soon as I can figure out how to make my scanner work under Gentoo AMD64 I'm going to pretty much dump Suse. Suse 10.0 is bug city. I should have know better than to buy a DOT OH.. (yes, I bought the full retail package)
Bottom line, watch Gentoo grow now!
In case you didn't catch it, it's NOT the first ever Gentoo LiveCD; it's the first ever Gentoo LiveCD with an installer (GUI to boot).
Official Gentoo-Linux-Zealot translator-o-matic
.debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
.rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."
NetBSD rules! Anyway, Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -09 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
That's not fair! Windows 95 didn't have CD icons showing up on the desktop! and it, um ... didn't have that foot thingie either...
There was no Gentoo 2005.9.9a, it just went up to 2005.1
And this is a step foreward for Gentoo, they've never had a graphical installer before.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
Q. What's one of the most effective known ways of determining whether or not a given software application, Linux distribution, or other form of technology or philosophy is unusually useful, valid, or valuable?
A. If said item does have an abnormally high degree of worth, (but such worth is not immediately apparent to nanoscopic minds) chances are it will be derided by some conformist, karma-chasing dipshit on Slashdot. It is safe to assume in many cases (particularly when relating to Linux distributions) that the degree of merit of the subject of derision is actually inversely proportional to the amount of derision received.
Given how much derision Gentoo and the BSDs receive on this site, using the above formula it should be easy to ascertain these systems' actual worth.
Thats all the graphical installer I need!
Any non-trivial instructions for migrating from current profile should appear here, according to the upgrading guide.
you had me at #!
but Gentoo does use xinetd; what are you smoking?
you had me at #!
Better than the screenshots are the demo videos made using vmware of sample installations. One shows a less than 7 minute full base system Gentoo install! The 6 videos are available via bittorrent at: http://torrents.gentoo.org/
It seems to be the right time to jump ship and start using Crux Linux, coz Gentoo is getting mainstream, eg. it's a crapmagnet.
Per Aspera Ad Astra.
As far as I can tell, a 2005.0 or 2005.1 system that's up to date isn't going to see any significant changes with 2006.0. They've been good about not having changes be incompatible, so old profiles have only minimal effects. (In fact, it's been ages since they had any major upheavals in profiles, aside from needing a new version of portage to handle the new profile files themselves, which isn't even all that recent.)
I've used Gentoo since the 2004.1 release, and I have to say I am well beyond pleased. I have had bumps in the road (my fault of course), that have been fixed with Gentoos insanely amazing forums (need I mention I see posts from people using _other_ distros on there its so good?) I have KDE 3.5.1 running smoothly on my machine as well as Open Office 2.x. The devs make it quite clear what is stable on Gentoo and what isn't, but I can still get what isn't (ah the beauty of portage (thanks BSD)). So what if I compiled everything?, you don't have to go with crazy mods in make.conf you know -- they actually tell you _not_ to! If you care about compile times emerge ccache (and if you have another machine, distcc) give it a lot of memory and forget about it. What I got from doing a stage 1 most people will never get, a good education in a Unix environment and a fast, badass machine (couple of machines actually (with more to come)). If anything its the hands on feel I get from Gentoo I love the most, I could have gone the cheaper route and gotten Ubuntu or something, but they are outdated fast because they release what? quarterly? Like the last guy said, Gentoo upgrades constantly, I am always up to date.
I just thought I saw a graphical gentoo installer.... Nah, my mind must just be playing tricks on me.
;) I remember many gentoo install sessions infront of the console and getting everything right can be a little tricky. And even if there are nice install isntructions, it is still a lot more time consuming than a graphical wizard will be. Great step towards the mainstream linux market...
;)
But honestly, won't that take half the fun out of gentoo?
Next step, official binary repository??
If you've never installed Debian or Gentoo or Red Hat and don't want to waste a CD-R (or take the time to burn it, or whatever...) most of the distributions (including Knoppix) can be run "as if" from a CD but actually from the hard drive.
Marc Herbert's Windows Install Page details how to install a new distro using Windows without a CD. He also explains that the instructions are meant to be used for any OS, for example, trying Gentoo on a Fedora Core system. It's worth looking at!
Think of how much more you'll know after you've installed all the distros out there!
"Fucking ricers." - Virtually every Gentoo developer and team lead
Navicula hydraulica plena anguilarum est. Omnes castelli tuus nostri sunt. Ed elli avea del cul fatto trombetta.
I tried Gentoo once. I did a Stage One install. It's definitely worth doing, just because it teaches you a few things about Linux. And I do like the way that packages are compiled locally by default.
But I grew up with Debian {though I confess to a brief flirtation with Mandrake, just long enough to outgrow it}; and really, when you come down to it, there is very little to choose between the two. Both have huge package repositories and easy tools for installing pre-compiled packages or sources to compile.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
You may get a slight speed increase in your system when you switch to gentoo - maybe even a significant one, but this will be due to a number of factors including fewer daemons running by default than other systems and USE variables ensuriung that large staticly linked binaries only contain the features you asked for and not all the available features. It doesn't realy have much to do with the fact that you compiled it yourself using optimised code settings, all the binary distros use optimised compile flags too.
2. Stage1 does not make you more l337
Seriously, the only reason to do a stage 1 install is if you are building a system on an architecture for which gentoo has not been built before or if you want to try out some realy odd compile options (believe me, you don't unless you're a gentoo developer or terminaly curious). How do you think the stage 3 files are produced? might it be by running the exact same scripts that you run when you do a stage 1 install?
3. You can learn something about Linux from installing Gentoo
Yes, you can learn about partition maps, different filesytstems, how bootloaders work, etc ... Sitting staring at the code as it compiles won't help much though - and you learn just as much from a stage 3 installation as you do from a stage 1 installation (with perhaps the one exception that you don't learnm quite how much of a waste of time a stage 1 installation is).
Yours Faithfuly from a Gentoo User who's sick and tired of all the ricers.
James P. Barrett
One of my servers at home has a Stage 1 install.
It's a K6-3.
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=k6-3 -pipe"
CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu"
With a machine that old, it needs all the help it can get. Plus the focus has moved and you can't get a Stage3 for i586 any more, it's generic x86 or i686 and beyond. My other machines are Stage3.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
"...first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD."
The joke writes itself!
You probably know this, but the GP poster probably doesn't since he didn't know about /etc/portage/package.keywords to begin with
In addition to
"some-category/package ~x86" to unmask all ~x86 versions of the package, you can use
"=some-category/package-x.y.z ~x86" to unmask just one version. i.e. if you want a more recent version of a package to get Some Nifty New Feature you really want, but don't always want that package to be on the bleeding edge. You can also use , and a few other things.
For example, you might want to do such a thing for KDE so that you can use 3.5 but don't want 4.0 to be emerged when it is released until the Gentoo devs have polished things a bit w.r.t. Gentoo integration. So perhaps
"kdes-category-i-cant-remember/kde-4.0 ~x86" to unmask all KDE versions below 4.0.
"=kdes-category-i-cant-remember/kde-3.5* ~x86" will unmask all 3.5.x versions of KDE. (BTW, for some reason, x.y* works but not x.y.*)
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Simply brilliant. Yes, it's Flash. Sorry. But if you have the player, the refreshingly frank expression will brighten your day.
I've been using Gentoo since 2005.0 and so far its been pretty simple, easy, well put together. My biggest problem is SAMBA+CUPS. Installing the drivers was a nightmare and trying to get the whole thing to work with my girlfriend's WinXP laptop has been a complete failure... And I have read the CUPS tutorials up and down. I guess I wasn't trying hard enough... But please!! Just install a set of default windows drivers with CUPS for gods sake!!
Cheers,
Ben