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PS3 Delay May Hurt Current Gen Too

Next Generation reports that, in some analysts view, the real victim of the PS3 delay may actually be current gen console publishers and gamers. Houses like EA and Activision have a lot of money tied up in creating games for the next generation, and if the PS3 isn't launching here in the states until after summmer... They end up laying out four increasingly bad scenarios for the industry. From the article: "The third scenario theorizes on a 25 percent price cut on current generation software. We've already seen substantial price-cuts from EA, as the current-gen versions of The Godfather, Black and Fight Night Round 3 all debuted or will debut at $40, a 20 percent cut from the normal $50 price tag. The erosion of sales prices may be caused by publishers trying to unload inventory, or by publishers that target budget shoppers. This scenario could cause major publishers' earnings to drop between 35 and 49 percent."

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  1. I beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gentoo will be fine thank you. And it will probably run faster on teh PS3 than other Linuces because it is optimized for... Oh wait... :)

    1. Re:I beg to differ... by AngelofDeath-02 · · Score: 2, Funny

      at least i'm not the only one who read it that way at first glance. lol

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  2. Fifth scenario by Walkiry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blame them thar pirates again. Yarrr!

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  3. The obvious solution by KingBraden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they could go back to making good games. Seriously, I haven't bought a PS2 game in ages. Not because I want to save an extra ten bucks, but because the games all suck.

  4. "summmer" by grub · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that the season wedged between spring and autumn?

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  5. Until after the summer? by CaseM · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the interview cited here it won't launch in Japan until Holiday '06, which puts the US release sometime in '07!

    1. Re:Until after the summer? by gabebear · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, in the article says "Sony will roll out the PS3 by year end, in time for the holidays", but I don't see any quote from Stringer saying anything about release dates in Japan or America.

  6. "Delays" by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As far as I am aware Sony never actually announced a spring release for America. They've been talking about a spring launch quite a lot, but I've never seen them do so without the "...in Japan" qualifier. My assumption all along has been that we'll be getting a mid-late Spring launch in Japan*, with a four or five month gap before the American launch, just like with the PSP, and the "PS3 release in Spring!" thing is as far as America's concerned just internet rumors blown out of proportion.

    Now, maybe Sony claimed something specific about American release dates that I didn't see at some point. But that brings me to my point: Practically nobody knows they were supposed to be expecting a ps3 spring launch in the first place unless they follow websites and magazines like this one religiously! Sony's been so tight-lipped in the general american press about the PS3 it's crazy. A lot of people don't really know anything at all about the PS3 except that it's someday coming-- which is something they probably knew two years go, too. The uncertainty about the release date is a big deal on internet message boards, but internet message boards are not the market.

    How can delays in the PS3 possibly hurt PS2 game sales when practically nobody knows a delay is happening in the first place? Especially considering
    1. The PS3 is backward compatible with the PS2, so PS2 games can be played on and bought for the PS3.
    2. The major blockbuster games still yet to come for the PS2 have been in development for years-- they couldn't be switched to PS3 titles even if the publisher wanted, and most of the minor titles between now and the "real" PS3 launch probably couldn't either. If there's a next-gen sales cooling effect coming, it will happen to those games whether the PS3 is delayed or not.

    It just seems kinda silly to me. PS2 hardware sales are probably going to drop off as people increasingly wait for the PS3-- I know I personally would have probably bought a ps2 several months ago if I weren't waiting for the PS3-- but the PS2 sales base is already ginormous, and they're talking about game sales in this article. PS2 games absolutely can and will continue to sell briskly right up to the PS3 release, even if there is a "next gen" system already available; look at Final Fantasy 9, a PS1 game which came out shortly after the PS2 launch and after the Dreamcast had been out a year. It was a top seller at release despite being widely viewed as the worst game in the series**.

    This whole thing just sounds to me like gibberish from analysts trying to rewrite reality to be more dramatic.

    * Though if they don't announce a release date at GDC on March 20, I will take that as a sign the Japan launch date has slipped as well. You do not go from media blackout to release in under three months unless you are Sega and you have a death wish.
    ** Mystic Quest doesn't count.
  7. Real Victim? by ect5150 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ....the real victim of the PS3 delay may actually be current gen console publishers and gamers... "The third scenario theorizes on a 25 percent price cut on current generation software.

    The way I see this, is that the publishers lose, and the customer wins. So, does that mean if the PS3 were here now, prices would be higher and the publisher wins and customer loses?

    There is the concept of 'risk' that every company must analyze and accept. Sometimes you win some, sometimes... well, you know...

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  8. Something else... by DarkNemesis618 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Something else to consider is how current gamers spend their money. If a new system is coming out, and someone has a reserve down or wants one, they may be less likely to buy games for the current console. They may want to save money to buy the new console and games for the new one too. Buying games for PS2 when PS3 is slated to come out soon might be a waste of money. The backwards compatibility might help this but there's still something to be said about new hardware and games.

    Think of it this way, you just bought a new computer with XP. Why spend money on software or hardware that either won't work, or won't work to its fullest capacity on your new machine?

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  9. Something Different by TeamSPAM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't now be the time for the software houses work on different/quirky games for the current consoles? Now I understand that it takes a lot to get a game out on a console, but it seems to me that there is a lull in the gaming market. Other than the 360, most consoles should have well developed/tuned library that they could churn something out easily. What if they did a google labs kinda thing? Take a quarter or two and incubate some low budget games. Peridocially you see what's sticking and cull the stuff that's not. Who knows, maybe this will give them a new franchise to run into the ground or even better a new genre of game.

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  10. There is one good scenario by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The one "good" scenario deals not with the developers and publishers, but with Sony. If the system is delayed, that will allow any last minute "bug crushing" to finish - and more importantly, allow more titles to be finished by launch date. Instead of having 10 games (and a large library of backwards-compatible titles), Sony could wind up with more.

    Granted, that means the publishers are screwed over, but as someone else mentioned, they'll just blame it on piracy and life will move on.

  11. Whatever, shill. by hudsonhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Since commercial BluRay players already exists it is doubtful
    > Sony will have any problem in manufacturing them.

    Oh, really? Because they've made a few thousand of these they'll have no problem making a million? In just a few months?

    > ...with retail units hitting the shelves around June/July in Japan.
    > And most likely September in the US. $349/399.

    What - exactly - are you basing this on and which oriface did it come from?

    > Don't worry, if you get your order in you'll almost certainly be playing
    > the fantastic PS3 title currently in development long before the
    > 2006 holidays.

    No, that doesn't sound like shilling at all.

    I'm not saying there is or is not a delay. The only thing anyone outside of Sony can say with any degree of confidence is "We don't know."

    So either you're a shill, or you're talking out of your ass.

    I'm guessing the latter.

  12. PS3 may not be backwards compatible with PS2 by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What makes anybody think that the PS3 will be backwards compatible with the PS2? The hardware is totally different. The PS2 is a MIPS machine with two streaming vector processors. The PS3 is a PowerPC machine with seven or eight "cell" processors and an NVidia GPU. Not even close.

    Sony has been backing away from claiming compatibility. "It's hard to say the PlayStation 3 will be 100 percent backwards compatible but as we said earlier this year we aim to make it so as much as possible."

    Sony will probably try software emulation, but there's no guarantee it will be fast enough to play all PS2 games. Tetris, no problem. Call of Duty, maybe not. "Compatible" might have to be an upgrade deal; turn in your PS2 game disk and get a discount on a PS3 version.

    1. Re:PS3 may not be backwards compatible with PS2 by Frenchy_2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Sony will probably try software emulation"

      Sony has one big advantage over MS on that side: they own the IPs to ALL the components in the PS2. They even own the designs. So, what they will do is refound the chips, grouping them all in a lower geometry as a single chip and incorporate the result in the PS3. This is how they did it on the PS2. This is also the reason they do a new lighter unit at the end of the console life: to prepare for that step (PSX -> PSOne, PS2 -> PSTwo).

      It is quite easy to fit a whole PS2, 6 years old tech, into a single chip in a modern 90nm tech. Quite cheap too, especially if it brings you more market chare...

    2. Re:PS3 may not be backwards compatible with PS2 by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sony could build PS2 emulation hardware into the PS3, but they don't seem to have done so. The PS2 has the IOP from the PS1, which simplifies compatibility. The PS3 doesn't seem to have any legacy hardware. When the chief architect of the Cell chip spoke at Stanford two weeks ago, he indicated that the PS3 is using stock Cell parts.. It's too close to launch for that to change.

      Remember, the current Cell implementation is a PowerPC with eight (seven for bad chips) "Synergistic Processing Elements", which are relatively conventional CPUs tied to 256K of uncached memory but with hardware to support asynchronous scatter-gather copy to and from main memory. This is very different hardware from the PS2. It's not going to be an easy emulation.

      Trying to get the NVidia part to emulate the PS2's VS1 and GS units will be a neat trick; the graphics power is there, but in a very different form. It's a reasonable porting job, but straightforward emulation at the binary level is tough.

      There's kind of a "build it and they will come" attitude from some of the Cell people. They're not quite sure how to use all those little isolated processors effectively, but hope someone will figure it out.

      We'll all know more after GDC in two weeks.

  13. Re:No Delay - Move Along by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It doesn't take advantage of HDTV (PS3 and 360 do), it doesn't play the brilliant GTA games (PS3 will, and 360 will a few months later), no high-def DVD player (PS3 will ship with Blu-Ray, 360 will be updated with whichever format catches on) and, most importantly, it doesn't actually exist yet.

    It delivers 480p, seems to be good enough for most people.

    GTA 3 is a current gen game, if you want to play that you can grab a current gen console.

    The 360 is not guaranteed to be upgraded and more importantly it won't help those who already bought one.

    The Revolution has specs since it has final (or near final) devkits that have been shipped already. Nintendo just doesn't release specs to the public because the public has no use for the specs. They're given to developers that are bound by NDAs.

    The PS3 is going through some delays due to the lag in Blu-Ray support, but it has an actual spec, and games are actually being written for it right now.

    Guess what, the Revolution does, too. Except for the Bluray delay, of course.

    Nobody seems to even have a clue what the controller will look like at this point.

    You may have missed all those pictures released since last year's E3, there are pictures of the controller.

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  14. It's a non article just pass it by. by kabocox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As previously commented, most people have no idea when the PS3 is going to come out. "Everyone" knows that the PS3 is going to be backwards comp. with PS2 though. So what's the issue here? The /. commentary seems to state that publishers are going to cut prices on PS2 games before PS3 games come out. Hmm, I doubt it. I'd say that most PS2 games will stay right at their current price point until shortly after the PS3 goes on sale. You'll see maybe a $5-10 drop on the big seller games while those that have been on the shelves and not moving will be dropped to $20-25 dollars. Alot of PS3 buyers will just pickup cheap PS2 games rather than spend $50-70 on "new" PS3 games. Backwards compatiblity is really bad for "new game" sell, but great for reselling the same stock over and over again. (That publisher that has sequel 3 that is moving well, with I don't really see a negative if they plan on just dropping prices for the PS3 release just to move stock. Trust me, the publishers aren't going to be losing money.