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Everglide s-500 Headphone Review
Lincoln 'PrOpHeT' Grixti writes "The Everglide s-500 Headphone is the ultimate tool for gamers that pass long hours using their headset for their gaming needs. It has been designed for gamers, by gamers, with the aid of leading world-wide professionals such as Sander "Voo" Kaasjager and other CPL World Tour Winners. The headset is available for sale with a price tag of $99.99 from Everglide Store. Some might say it's quite expensive for a headset, but when compared to other professional gaming headsets, the price is quite cheap." update Sorry folks, apparently the linked website barfed.
0 posts.. and still link is slashdottet.
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Way to make us RTFA
Scully: Should we arrest David Copperfield?
Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
Hey, that's a nice ad. How much would it cost to have Cmdr Taco post my ad on Slashdot?
That was the quickest slashdotting I've ever seen. Mirrordot doesn't even have it up yet. Anyway, here it is (it just took forever to load): Everglide s-500 Headphone Review [ Hardware Reviews ] posted by PrOpHeT on Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:07 AM The Everglide s-500 Headphone is the ultimate tool for gamers that pass long hours using their headset for their gaming needs. Viewed 209 times. The Everglide s-500 Headphone is the ultimate tool for gamers that pass long hours using their headset for their gaming needs. It has been designed for gamers, by gamers, with the aid of leading world-wide professionals such as Sander "Voo" Kaasjager and other CPL World Tour Winners. The headset is available for sale with a price tag of $99.99 from Everglide Store, that is around Lm35. Some might say it's quite expensive for a headset, but when compared to other professional gaming headsets, the price is quite cheap. Specifications Transducer: Dynamic Nominal Dependence: 16 Ohm Max. Sound Pressure Level (SPL): 102 dB Max. Power Rating: 100 mW Weight w/o Cable: 350 g Cable Length: 3.1 m Frequency Response: 20 Hz ~ 20 kHz Everglide s-500 Packaging The Everglide s-500 Headphone come in a box, unlike other headsets that usually come packed in plastic covers. So what comes in the box? The box contains the headset itself, together with a microphone (optional) that clips to the shirt, and a carry bag that holds the headset with its cable and microphone safe when carrying around. It is a good idea to store this packaging so to be able to transport the headset in it when going to LAN-Parties and other similar events where you cannot lack not having the Everglide s-500 Headphones. The Packaging What's in the Box Design The Headset's massive ear cups combined with the big design and the fantastic contrast between its black and silver colours give the Everglide s-500 a futuristic look that makes it the first one of a genre. This plain and fluent design makes the headset look very much like a Studio Headphone kit, having that professional appearance any serious gamer requests, backed up with fabulous sound, and great comfort. Everglide s-500 Professional Gaming Headphones Similar to a Studio Kit, this headset does not come with a Microphone and comes as an optional separate item with the headphones, having a clip-on that is used so to attach the microphone to the clothing. The Everglide s-500 Headphone is available in two colours, white and black, according to your taste and theme. Sound Directly from first impressions (as you can undoubtedly, see for yourselves), the Everglide s-500 seems to have been built with gaming purpose in mind from the very beginning. In fact, they are a product of new technological advances, such as the world's first bio-cellulose membrane used to supply instantaneous audio response in the speaker driver. This membrane is said to be by the company, faster than most conventional speaker drivers found in traditional headphones, making the Everglide s-500 optimized for millisecond feedback to provide optimum gaming audio response. Together with the improved speaker driver, the Everglide s-500 also supplies the user with pinpoint precision from where the sound is coming, being accurate to the pixel from where a footstep or a gunshot is coming. The very large circumaural leather muff apart from making the headset comfortable to wear for long hours, has also the feature of reducing surrounding ambient noise to a minimum (very helpful if used in large events such as LAN-Parties ). Made for Comfort While the Everglide s-500 excels in gaming experience sounds, it is a bit of a delusion when it comes to music listening on this headset. In fact, making the speaker driver very sensible to minimal audio response resulted in this Headphone to lack in Bass audio quality. The Everglide s-500 lacks in the Sub-Woofer Effect although this lack in Bass was only noticed in music playing, and did not effect in any way gaming. What is quite impressing is that even on high volumes and high Bass fed to the
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I still think the Jawbone PC edition http://www.aliph.com/main/pc_edition.htm is far superior to it.
The Everglide doesn't even come with the highend military grade noise reduction stuff the Jawbone sports.
Not even in the same class.
Yeah, one more thing to tether you to your desk, as if the sacred cows of mouse and keyboard weren't enough.
But at least you're getting five more frames per second than a console, right?
It might sound like a big name to uninformed buyers, but this kid plays painkiller. He didn't get popular until 2005, and has been a pretty much one trick poney.
I'd be more impressed if it was someone like Brian "Destrukt" Flanders, or even the overhyped fatal1ty would know more than vo0.
I don't care how well you do in one game, if you can't adapt to other games then your opinion as a "pro gamer" doesn't extend beyond your field. Someone whos able to rock at multiple games obviously knows a lot more about being good than just a few tricks to one game, and thus I'd give a shit more about their input on headphones/hardware.
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If you want a decent headset, get a Sennheiser... For the same price you will get much much better sound quality. Even TFA mentions this particular headset isn't great for music.
What makes this a "gaming" headset? The bundled microphone? The carrying bag? The price? The fact that it comes in a box?
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I let it try to load, and this is what I got:
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(Microsoft fails it.)
"Designed for gamers, by gamers" That's completely unimpressive, especially when it comes to audio equipment. What the hell do "gamers" bring to the table- Requests for bigger 'splosions? Special detectors for when Mommy calls dinner's ready?
Give me a break!
Not only is this an add, its a badly writen one at that. There is very little information about the product other than what the manufacturer tells you on their website and several portinos are nonsensical.
Seriously, where's the Foot?
This qualifies for "Laugh, its funny."
It's like one went out to write the worst possible advertisement/review of a crappy product, then submitted it to Slashdot just to have people sit and critize it.
This seriously has gotta be a joke.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
Wasn't this the most useless article posted?
...make sure you have at least a vague idea of what a slashdotting looks like.
What a shame! I strongly feel that /. should not be used for advertising purposes. To show the /. community just how disgusting this is I'm going to encourage posters NOT to respond to this article (yes I know -- this is a post). However, if you really want to post it would be in good taste to express your DISLIKE of what has happened here today.
All ads posted on Slashdot must be pornographic.
Sennheiser makes some of the best headphones available, and at reasonable prices.
I've got two pairs of the HD-457 model, because they fit/feel great and sound wonderful, and a pair of HD-497 because it is slightly better sounding (but hurts after an hour).
Maybe they're purpsely posting these crap-hosted ads in the hopes that we DO slashdot them?? :) Just a theory.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
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There, now I've contaminated this advertisement's message with humor. NOW try and convince someone to buy one!
I see. I knew there was something wrong when my $20 headphones would actually store up the sound for like 10 milliseconds before playing any of it. Thank goodness this company built speaker drivers "faster than most conventional speaker drivers found in traditional headphones, making the Everglide s-500 optimized for millisecond feedback."
Now I can listen to games without my speaker drivers storing up all the sound before spitting it out.
And it's a good thing they optimized these for games because games produce sound, like, way cooler than music can. And it's directional, whereas music just comes in stereo and binaural forms, which aren't directional at all. And they can pinpoint sound to a pixel, which is cool because I have a lot of pixels.
And it's good they made these comfortable, because people who listen to music only spend like a few hours listening, whereas a gamer like myself will typically game for 48+ hours, so I need that extra level of comfort.
And it's cool they reproduce the full 20 Hz - 20 kHz sounds range; just looking at sub-$500, I have yet to find a pair of regular "music" headphones that can do 20 Hz. (Of course they spec their cans at +/-1dB or +/-3dB; maybe these people spec to +/-60dB, in which they might be right.)
Fortunately, if anyone buys these, he or she must be so enamored with the purchase that he/she will think that he/she has the best set of headphones (for gaming) in the world. And ignorant happiness will ensue. So buyer and seller will have achieved their goals.
Sennheiser makes some great headphones, but I'd take a USA-made Grado set over Sennheiser any day.
http://www.gradolabs.com
Even the basic SR-80 phones (around $80.00) are excellent. And you're supporting a nice family-owned & run business, with a 50 year history.
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Umm.. dissapointing really. this deserved a journal opening. :-(
I couldn't read the article, but it seems like they don't support 5.1 surround sound. Today's games that support surround sound make the game SO much better. Hearing an enemy sneak up behind you is just the biggest thing IMHO to come to gaming in YEARS! If they don't support 5.1, I don't care if they are $10.
If you want a GREAT 5.1 surround support gaming headset, for about the same amount of money of ~$100, check out the Medusa headsets
Sorry, the link to them disapeared after preview. Here is their web site: http://www.medusa-usa.com/medusa-51-original-singl e-user-p-782.html
I just wanted to chime in with my support of the Medusa's... they are great. As soon as I demo them to a friend, they are all over them. Great for games and good for music.
Just saying... That's all.
The feature I really need is some sort of "don't break" feature for when the headset slips off the desk, and hits the floor. Our predictability in this area leads us to buy headsets repeatedly. Oh, and perhaps a "hits the floor silently" feature for when the hubby plays, and I am sleeping. In a silent house, that will wake the dead.
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The only one who is a tight-fisted git and buys really cheap stuff? It's exactly the same, just with a different logo on and slightly less sound quality. Does the job just fine and means I have more money to spend on those emails from nice people telling me how to get a bigger penis.
If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate.
Until now, I just didn't care about that beta tagging system, but this article just made me realize that this tagging system is the article moderation system we were all waiting for! No more comments saying "If I could, I would mod this article -1 Slashvertisement."
Nice stuff.
perception is reality
The problems:
1 Cords on these types of headphones are ALWAYS weak. Either you pull on them (accidentally) and they rip out of the headphone. Or, accidently run over it with the wheels on your office chair and it gets a little bent, which over time becomes a crack, which over time becomes a cut and splays the wires.
2 Sweat. Jump on a treadmill with these things and they clog up and stink.
Still searching for the perfect well designed set of headphones...
Umm, what kind of gaming headphones don't come with a microphone standard? As far as I can tell, this is just a really bad (bad bass response), but pretty, pair of music headphones sold as expensive "gaming" headphones.
And what the heck is with the name? Everglide? My K/Y headphones are so much better.
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umm, so the frequency response is no better than on a pair of headphones I can buy for £5 outta tesco's. Oh, and given what the rest of the article descibes, that £5 set probably sounds better and has a higher build quality too.
/me breaks out the shotgun. The one used for killing people.
'accurate to the pixel'?
Yeah I've seen some posts on here that looked like nothing more than ads, but this has to be the all time winner. It's a $99 pair of headphones folks. Whoop-dee-doo. Nothing hight tech about them. They are called "gamer" headphones because... well I don't know, because it doesn't even come with a microphone. Do they call them "gamer" because no self-respecting human would wear those with their IPod?
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a pair of Technics headphones I picked up 4 years ago for about £20 in Argos. Those Technies sure are comfy though. I have worn them all day and not had to take them off once. They are very comfortable and are very cool so you don't need to lift them up every 30 minutes to cool your ear down :)
If you want Gizmodo, you know where to find it.
It is a good idea to store this packaging so to be able to transport the headset in it when going to LAN-Parties and other similar events where you cannot lack not having the Everglide s-500 Headphones.
/snarky, I know
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The Slashdot comments were better written than the article!!
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You obviously didn't RTFA.
If you call that being tethered to your desk, then nothing but a wireless set of headphones is going to make you happy.
The longest corded headphones I have are about 6ft long, which is long enough for just about anything I need 'em for (other than sitting in bed and plugging them into the back of my mid-tower.
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What does this mean? Accurate to the pixel? These are just headphones, not a 20-speaker surround system. This whole review is written this way.
"In fact, making the speaker driver very sensible to minimal audio response resulted in this Headphone to lack in Bass audio quality."
Not only did the author use "sensible" instead of "sensitive", they also make an erroneous connection between the speaker sensitivity and bass response. In fact, it appears that the author doesn't understand speaker sensitivity. The speakers are supposed to be super-lightweight, so they make sounds faster than regular speakers, so no one can sneak up on you in a game. The result of this is apparently the lack of Bass (why the caps?). Both of those statements make absolutely no sense.
This review is nothing but a VERY poorly written ad. If you're going to post ads on Salshdot, Taco, at least read the damn things first.
I have a Headphone I bought exclusively for gaming. Sony CD470. It's closed, stable, has a long cord and the best sound quality I've ever had on a headphone. This line of headphones has something like a subscription to audio rewards and gets top rankings every season.
There is but one thing I'd do better for gaming: Anti-Sweat. Closed is good but when your ears get warm after hours of UT 2003 you want some air on your ears.
My perfect gaming headphone would have the sound quality of the Sony CD line, the cord of the Sony CD470, would be as sturdy as the Beyerdynamic Monitor Headphone line (high end studio headphones, start at aprox. 300$) and some sort of nifty air circulation system to keep the ears from going sweaty whilst keeping external noise out. And it would have a line of spare parts for things that break on them and go fatigue. Like the cushions and the lining.
All of this doesn't seem to be part of these bizarly priced headphones. Ergo: Crap or maybe some ok closed headphones. But gaming headphones "by gamers for gamers"?
That's Rubbish. Save your money.
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Maybe "world's second". I already have a roll of "bio-cellulose membrane" hanging beside the toilet in my bathroom.
...it's called the Medusa, made by a company called Speed-Link. Tom's Hardware did a review of them a while back. They have 5.1 surround built-in (i.e. there are 3 drivers in each cup) and have a very good mic. Here's the review: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/14/headsets_ga mers_can_love/page2.html
and the product page: http://www.speed-link.de/prod.php?lang=en&sys_id=8 &pb_id=8&prod_num=SL-8790
Note that THG was doing a comparison of gaming headsets, and the Medusa came out on top.
The description mentions a nominal dependence of 16 ohms. What is nominal dependence? I'm sure they mean nominal impedance, but this is an annoying screwup for supposedly good headphones.
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Please stop with all the infomercials already!!
Slashdot was once about relevant technical news. Now half the articles are just blatant advertising.
As a small time hardware reviewer, I take pride in my grammar and spelling skills, the review was very painful to read, until I noticed his first language probably isn't English, so give him a little slack, but he should really get a fluent English editor.
Since the informed people who actually check the targeted website can't even RTFA, who's got a different link to a truly hifi bluetooth stereo headset (A2DP or other profile)? Preferably in-ear, even hotter would be a matched pair of inears with without a wire between them.
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Yummy, another Slashvertisement... A headset, wooooooooo, how newsworthy eh?
Really what I want in a headset is a single speaker in a single ear w/ a small mic. I want to be able to hear the rest of whats going on and I don't need anything fancy to hear someone screaming "KILL the OTHER one!!!".
And, honestly, I really can't believe that 100 is worth it even if you are out and about and trying to have a private game. I have a 25-30 dollar pair of large headphones which sound wonderful and block out everything.
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They should build some phones that have a feature to reduce the pressure against the ear at the point where eyeglasses pass behind it.
Seriously. At the $100 pricepoint, your choices of headphones are considerable. Topping my list would be Sennhesier HD 280 Pros for large sealed headphones, or Ultimate Ears SuperFi 3s for for earbud style phones. Both sound superb, and you can get even better sound, in my opinion, if you go with open back phones which might be an option.
So I'm looking at these, and I'm not seeing what they give you that something from a real, respected headphone makers doesn't. They aren't special 6-driver surround phones like Zalman offers (which give supprisingly good surround sound for headphones, though abysmal music reporduction).
All their fluff about the fast membrane is just that: fluff. Sony has used biocellulose membranes in their headphones for some time and they aprobably aren't the only ones. Doesn't really matter, it works well, so do other materials. The "millisecond response time" is bullshit. All headphones respond as soon as the voltage starts changing, and because of the short distance to your ear, propagation through the air isn't an issue. The sound is instantanious. The only thing a lighter, better controlled driver will buy you is better highs. Of course that also requires an amp that can keep control over that driver, which generally takes a current output you don't get from PC soundcards.
To me it sounds like the reviewer has just been using the $5 Radioshack special headphones and this is the first higher end headphone he's ever heard. I remember the experience, I used to always have little America West headphones my dad brought back, that was all I got to use. Then, I finally saved up money and bought like a $50 pair of headphones from Radioshack and I was blown away by how good they sounded. I had no basis for comparison so I was amazed at the improvement. Now, having heard a wide variety of good headphones with good amps, I'm very unimpressed.
Looks like these are some reasonable quality, maybe $40 headphones in an expensive $100 box. I'm sure they aren't horrible but really, do yourself a favour and get some real phones. If you like ear buds I just can't say enough good things about Ultimate Ears. The 3s are great, the 5s are stellar, and I can only hope someday I'll be rich enough to try their 10s. You will be much happier with the money spent. They may not have hired gamers to help them design their phones, but they did get musicians, audigolgists, audio engineers, and other people that, you know, might actually know what the fuck they are talking about.
I'd have to agree that they can be uncomfortable for some people. I have no problem with the earpieces, but the headband could do with some padding (which I added). In terms of sonics, nothing can touch them at twice the price, at least for the lower-end phones like the SR-80. In the higer-end models like the SR-225, they have solid competition from AKG.
If you own a set of these, heed the manufacturer's warnings about excessive volume levels. These phones are so low in distortion that they give the user almost nothing in terms of loudness cues, and it's quite easy to damage your hearing even if the phones do not sound "loud" to you.
Keep in mind that loudness is purely an observation, and is not a quantitative measure of sound energy. This is why volume controls say "volume" and not "loudness" - they control the *amount* of sound, whereas the listener determines the loudness from observation. If your equipment has a loudness control, you'll notice that it makes the sound appear louder, without necessarily changing the overall volume.
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Hey everyone, shutup already about the ads!! If you complain too much about the products, point out it's flaws, and uncover the fact that the article is a farce, then you will nullify the effect of the advertisement. We will then see things like the tagging system go away, and more heavy comment moderation from Slashdot editors.
Ok, I admit that it would help if the ad wasn't written by a 12 year old and the product wasn't an overpriced piece of junk made by a mousepad company.
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It has been designed for gamers, by gamers, with the aid of leading world-wide professionals such as Sander.
And they all failed to notice the similarities between the name of their product, to one use by people during sex?
WTF is a "Professional Gaming Headset," and does it come with AcoustiMass technology or a 30 day Excitement Guarantee? Also, will I get a better sonic picture if I use these power cables?
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Or at least, that would be your first guess.
Of course, as it was Old Man Murray, what actually happened was that if you clicked on a flag, you would see the review again in English, but after it had been translated from English into that language (e.g. Spanish) and back again, all via BabelFish.
Anyway, those resultant mangled reviews are mostly what this headphone review reminds me of. I half expected to read that the headphones were disrespectful to dirt. Very poor.
Plus, there were no talking submarines.
If you have $100 to spend on headphones, you should spend $150 and get a pair of Sennheiser HD-580s. They are the cheapest high-quality headphones you'll find, period. They sound *excellent* on a PC audio card, and they scale up to $1000 headphone amps just as well if you swing that way. Bass is by no means lacking; by the time you manage to overdrive them, your head will be hurting.
Oh yeah, and they're the most cushy, comfy headphones on the planet. I wear them 8 hours a day with no complaint at all.
If you care about headphones enough to have read this, go browse around http://www.headphone.com/ and http://www.head-fi.org/. Never listen to advertisements when it comes to audio. (Never trust what you read on the internet, either. Listen before you buy.)
Um, no. Ultimate gaming headphones have been created. Sennheiser HD600. Gaming headphones: that's that done.
A gaming headphone is nothing more than headphones with a mic.WIth that amount of money,why not just get a Plantronics Headset or even the Sennheiser Communications headphones.Heck,if you want damn good sound for a low price,look no further than the Grado SR-60,btw its an open design but may hurt your ears as it sounds a bit on the bright side and also can go very loud.
Dear Slashdot, I for one would appreciate this kind of ads over other types. Thank you.
We use the Audio Technica ATH-M30 for our record store's listening stations. 3 years of constant use and abuse and they're still working great. You can find them for $60 or so. I have tried tons of headphones but these are the most durable (and sound excellent).
I recently purchased a set of Phillips "SBC HS820/37" behind-the-head-&-over-the-ear style headphones from Target.com.
The specs on them are as follows:
Freq Range: 10 MHz - 24 KHz (Yes, *ten*)
Sensativity: 106 dB
Impedence: 24 Ohm
Power: 100 mW
They fold flat for easy storage / travel, they're comfortable for hours of use, even with my glasses, and best of all?
*$19.99*
So, please, someone explain to me why I'd want / need to drop another $80 on a set of headphones with a narrower freq range, crappy bass response, and needs a "transport box" large enough to carry an external SATA RAID with power bricks, when these "El Cheapo's" fit in a shirt pocket, weight next to nothing, and don't look like they were made by a demented monkey on crack?
Just wonderin'... =)
You do realize that you only have two ears, and that headphones only have two speakers, right?
... and then they built the supercollider.
Frequency range means shit. Is it equally as responsive on the highs, mids, and lows? I doubt it. I just threw away that exact pair of headphones - the quality is terrible and the phones are plastic hell (they broke during normal use). I have a pair of Sony MDR-V6's now. If I had more money to drop and wanted to wait, I would have gotten the Sennheiser 280 Pro's, but my shitty Phillips phone broke and I needed something ASAP and thats the best I could get. The V6 blows all my other cheap headphones out of the water.
You forgot the rest: "To be paid for by gamers' parents, and used in their basements."
Take one old-skool stereo headset from the 70's, make up ad copy saying its for gamers, and put it out there even though it's actually completely useless for gaming. Wheeee!!!!
If its for gamers, shouldn't it have a nice little microphone?
Actually, there are several 5.1 models with 3 speakers + a sub in each ear (center is a small speaker towards the front, left right in the normal place, surrounds towards the back, sub's basically a small bass-shaker, like you can buy for car seats). I have the Turtle Beach Ear Force ones, and I think the linked-to Medusas are another. This design does give somewhat better staging than any software virtualization I've heard does, once you dial in the relative volumes. That's not to say that you -couldn't- give a perfect representation through 2 speakers, but so far, the HRTF algorithms aren't perfect.
Ahhh, I didn't know that. But a binaurally-encoded stereo signal can get unbelievable results. Ever listened to one of those "dummy head" recordings through a good set of headphones? Beats any 5.1 setup I have ever heard.
... and then they built the supercollider.