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Porn Industry Trials Burnable DVDs
nukular writes "The LA Times has an article discussing porn giant Vivid following the likes of King Kong in allowing users to download and burn movies to DVD. Unlike in the Hollywood plan, these DVDs will be viewable on other DVD players." From the article: "Despite their obvious differences, adult and mainstream entertainment companies face similar pressures in the Internet age. Both are grappling with how to deliver content securely and reliably to devices in a variety of ways, whether it's prepackaged on DVD for TVs or sent wirelessly to cellphones. Both also want to capitalize on digital delivery methods but can't afford to undercut their retail partners: big-box stores such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. for the major studios and mom-and-pop video shops for the porn producers. They also fear online piracy, which the music industry partly blames for its lackluster sales."
* stops burning porn DVDs long enough to read /. *
Hey, wait...we're allowed to do this now? Sweet!
* resumes burning porn DVDs *
"You will pay for your lack of vision..." - Emperor Palpatine to Ray Charles
In Catholic Italy, pr0n burns YOU! :)
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If you're going to charge a comparable price for the downloadable movie, it can't be an inferior product to the purchased disc, or it just won't fly. Hence needs to be watchable on a regular DVD player like a purchased DVD. Still seems a bit steep compared to some, erm, other sources of pr0n though.
Oh no... it's the future.
Yeah, that's it. You have this friend, yeah and he has this porn collection ...
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"Both are grappling with how to deliver content securely and reliably to devices in a variety of ways, whether it's prepackaged on DVD for TVs or sent wirelessly to cellphones"
Wow, that would explain my co-workers extended bathroom breaks with his new Verizon 3g phone.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Cinemanow owns and operates All Adult Entertainment the distributor of Vivid's Videos so Hollywood is already onto this and owns the technology to distribute burnable movies .They are using porn as their sacrificial lamb to see if the content ends up on Usenet or P2P networks in the next 3 months .
Cinemanow is a subsidiary of Sony Entertainment .
Could you download porn on the internet?!! I've just been taping my neighbors at night....
*scratches head*
People pay for pr0n?
I had no idea. Suckers.
Heck, adult entertainment has been behind a lot or major breakthroughs in technology:
I suspect this will continue on into the arena of full 3-D sensoround technology, whenever that become available.
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One handed dvd burning must be supported, a kind of single sign on portal to subscribe/pay/burn/play so your god hand is not used to get the keys messy etc..
God Bless America!
I'm British and it's still "is a noun", sorry!
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They will never know the simple pleasure of a monkey knife fight
What's that old saying.. "no tech. can be considered a success until it's adopted by the porn industry".
If anyone can figure this out it's them.
I came to the datacenter drunk with a fake ID, don't you want to be just like me?
In our town, the local Applebees overlooks the local Castle Superstore. My wife and I enjoy watching the customers enter and exit the store while we eat dinner on Friday nights. Maybe those that don't go there just because of this will find this a viable alternative to potentially being seen renting or buying their porn at a retail location?
It burns, it burns!
Use lubricant?
Don't take the above poster too seriously. He doesn't.
The Adult Movie industry is suffering from the same problems as Hollywood, and yet again they're blaming it on piracy. The plot lines are boring. I've seen the one with the pizza delivery guy who gets his tip deposited directly. Or the gas station attendent who fills up everyone who pulls up.
It's not piracy that causes your old model of doing things to tank. Doing enormous budget special effects without a plot isn't what helps porn sell. Most consumers look for good acting with a believable plot. Modern porn movies have all been awesome 3-d eye shots and such.
And don't get me started on the theatre. Last time I was in the theatre the guy behind me kept moaning and the floor was all sticky. I'm not even sure what they put in my popcorn.
The sooner that the Adult Movie Industry realizes that quality plots are what makes a movie sell, the better off they'll be. Nobody is interested in the same old tit shot anymore.
Your post is redundant. He already said this. See where he says "IMy friend"? That is newspeak for "I have this friend, and he..."
I have to say, if any industry is going to master digital delivery of movies first, it's going to be the porn industry. They have simply been on top of the technology game and they've made a killing at it. Whereas the RIAA and MPAA are out suing their customers, the porn industry in the past 15 years has seen incredible growth, largely due to the internet.
If the RIAA and MPAA are smart, they'll keep an eye on how the porn industry operates. But seeing as they've shown no signs of being smart, I doubt that will happen.
It's great that someone's doing this-- too bad it's Vivid, and not a company whose movies are actually worth burning to a DVD.
Yes, Vivid girls are gorgeous. The problem is, the Vivid's movies are terrible anymore. They have about as much replay value as Pitfall on the Atari 2600. Vivid relies on star power to move the product, and they don't worry about the video being awful.
They burned me so many times in the late 90's, that I no longer purchase their stuff no matter how much I like a given star. And they are still maintaining the low level of quality that drove me away-- I've downloaded quite a few of their recent movies via BT, and spent about 5 minutes skipping through each in search of a scene with some perceptible passion and/or heat-- there's just none to be found. They've all gotten promptly dropped into the Recycle Bin.
Considering the average pr0n title costs a lot less to make than say, King Kong, there is not so much financial risk(er, losses) involved.
So instead of the pr0n industry helping sway one side of widespread video adoption, it will now walk into the office like it's an expert to do some research.
To reward the actors and actresses of pr0n, those hard working people who put their asses on the line.
Often literally.
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Perhaps that what the music industry calls music is just crap that no one wants to buy. My car radio doesn't turn on much anymore because everything I hear sounds the same and isn't that good. When it comes to Rap/Hiphop stations, its all about screwing a bunch of different girls, cheating on your significant other or just about sex in general. The rock stations talk about something sappy, their crappy youth years or something off the wall and has no meaning, just a fun song. Country...ya, don't get me started there. I get angry just hearing country from a distance. And yes, I really do mean angry. Jazz, not my cup of tea, but I can listen to it. My wife likes jazz and I guess you can say I've grown tolerable of it. Classic rock is just getting repetitive. I mean, its classic and all, but I am sure there is a lot of other music from those bands that hasn't been ground into us from those bands. Come on people, play some different songs.
I am sure piracy has a bit to do with the lackluster music purchases, but not as much as they let on. I for one know exactly how to go out and download music illegally. Do I? No. I am too lazy. I hate getting a song that doesn't work, or is mis-titled or is hard to find. I just listen to the radio, you know, that free music that is broadcast for everyone to hear.
As for porn. Just watch TV, you get enough softcore porn out of it. Or go to Google Images and search for boobs or naked or something generic and you will get enough pictures to satisfy the normal person. If you are not normal, then I am sure you know plenty of free porn sites.
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Porn has always been the driving force behind new technology in entertainment. But this seems to just be more of the same. Granted, I'm glad they're getting more and more into this, working out the kinks (so to speak) so that mainstream movies may follow suit in the future.
But I'm waiting for there to be a way to hook into a machine like in the movie Brainstorm or The Matrix where all 5 senses are stimulated and it seems as your really THERE. Of course Dennis Miller said it best: "Folks, the day an unemployed ironworker can lay in his Barc-a-lounger with a Fosters in one hand and a channel flicker in the other and fuck Claudia Schiffer for $19.95, it's gonna make crack look like Sanka"
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Sure, lots of pr0n jokes, but not a single elaboration on the copy protection mechanism? Excuse my ignorance, but isn't the key area of DVDs unwritable either on typical DVDR media? So what form of copy protection is going to be used that will a) be burnable by a PC and b) be readable by a generic DVD player?
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
You can't download anything nowadays over a P2P network without getting a full DVD quality porn.
Whether it's the latest Linux distro of your choice or Ice Age 2, you can almost guarentee that at least one of the results is just a misnamed full length porn.
There essentially trying to come up with a plan to sell ice to eskimos.
Definately an uphill battle.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
One may not think so, but on newsgroups, porn groups are among the most popular by far. The amount and variety of porn circulating on newsgroups is impressive to say the least, at least on commercial hosts you have to pay for (so all you youngins can't just use your ISP newsgroups most likely to get your porn fix). I can't even ponder how much it would have messed me up if I had access to this much porn as a kid....
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
The way current copy protection works on DVDs is actually quite simple. While the DVD is burning, bad sectors of data are written to the disc. Your computer attempts to read those bad sectors and freaks-out, thus preventing you from watching the DVD on your computer. Conventional DVD players just skip the bad sectors and continue reading from the disc. Burning the data to DVD would work exactly the same as it currently does, except you would actually be writing small bad sectors into the DVD, preventing you from copying that DVD. Therefore, the only protection needed would be some sort of DRM or encryption for the downloaded data so that users can only burn 1 DVD (using some sort of proprietary software, possibly), and can't send the download to others. Of course, you can/i? circumvent all of this by using transcode or analog video streaming... but most people aren't going to go through this trouble for their porn. The porn industry has been successful because they know people will pirate their products, but they aren't necessarily looking to collect the profit that is 'rightfully theirs', they're looking to make a certain amount or percentage of profit per video they film. If you make back even 10 times what you spent to film, what's the point of spending more money to squeeze another 5% profit out of the pirates?
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In the OSS spirit, I rolled up my sleeves and started googling around for a HOWTO make my own porn, but all I came up with was this HOWTO Put Porn On Your iPod!
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Wait wait wait just one minute here...We are having a legitimate deiscussion about porn and you guys want to steer the discussion towards grammar???
"But this one goes to 11!"
Once this hits the err.."mainstream", there will be many people wondering why thy can't do this with that latest Star Wars movie, or Harry Potter flick. Yay porn industry, innovating for consumers yet again.
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Sounds like you need better antivirus protection.
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
Have any of the content industries tried trusting their customers?
Downloading and burning a DVD is going to be too big of a pain for lots of people. For it to work in most DVD players, it's gotta be MPEG2 which means downloads of several gigs per title. They could cut that down a lot w/ an MPEG4 variant, but then the customer will have to transcode to MPEG2 which can take hours . . . so from their perspective, no time saved.
Why not release the whole library for pay-per-minte streaming, and offer an option to download the title (DRM-free) for an extra fee? Customers get to browse pr0n to their heart's content, and can download and burn titles they especially like. The studios get more revenue because it's cheap and quick on the streaming side, and they'll probably curb a lot of piracy--why bother wading through usenet and p2p networks when you can preview and download whatever you want much more efficiently for reasonable rates?
God forbid someone downloads a DVD, burns it, gives a zillion copies to their friends, etc. Because . . . you know . . . I'm *sure* that *never* happens with rented porn DVDs already . . .
There has always been and always will be piracy. The best way to minimize it is to offer your consumers what they want, how they want it, and at prices that make for a better value and less effort than going out and getting it illegally.
They already know that the content will end up on Usenet and P2P almost imediately, just like their main-stream "non-burnable" content does. Because one person with the know-how/equiptment to get around the DRM and upload it is all it takes. They can't do much about that, and they know it.
Making it "non-burnable" annoys some people, but defeats the large number of people who would give or lend all their buddies a copy, but don't have the ability to burn them. This is not as big an issue with porn, because people don't typically do a lot of lending porn to their friends; so the industry may as well let you burn it.
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Your ignorance is forgiven. Copy protection on DVD's is optional (if desired, a decryption key is embedded into a non-writable portion of the disc, and then the video is encrypted with that key. if desired though, video can be burned encrypted). X-rated DVD's don't have copy protection. Literally. You can do a direct duplicate and it plays fine.
It's the only industry that has basically called BS on the "piracy" problem. Yeah it'll happen, but it's gonna happen no matter what, and paying customers get ticked when copy protection gets in the way of legitmate uses. They've ignored it, and have make a fortune doing so.
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