Slashdot Mirror


Cloak of Invisibility Coming Soon

davaguco writes "It seems that we will finally be able to make ourselves invisible" It seems like this story resurfaces every few months and then gets submitted a zillion times so here it is. Personally I'm still waiting for my cloak of evasion. 20% miss chance is awesome.

59 of 296 comments (clear)

  1. Pictures by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article doesn't have any pictures; one can be found here.

    1. Re:Pictures by clevershark · · Score: 4, Funny

      You just think there were no pictures! That's how effective the technology really is!

      --

      My sig is too lon

    2. Re:Pictures by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting
      > The article doesn't have any pictures; one can be found here [http://www.jpassion.net/sitepix/blank_square.gif] .

      Nothing to see there. Moving right along...

      From TFA:

      Prof Milton's team calculated that when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.

      Sounds an awful lot like the technology speculated about in Dean Ing's Ransom of Black Stealth One about ten years ago.

    3. Re:Pictures by systemic+chaos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Truly, you have a dizzying intellect

    4. Re:Pictures by LordMaxxon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing to see there. Moving right along...

      Am I the only one who finds this phrase particularly appropriate here?

    5. Re:Pictures by servognome · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This Is What Scientists Actually Believe!

      Science isn't about the "truth," it is about models that explain a set of data. Doesn't matter if their model is real, it explains and predicts a set of behavior. Once data is discovered that contradicts the model, scientists work on reformulating it.

      --
      D6 63 0D 70 89 81 BB 8E 7B 7C 5F 5D 54 EA AB 73
    6. Re:Pictures by JackCroww · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because you don't understand the science, doesn't make it invalid. You are not the final arbiter of all that is logical in the world.

      All you do is broadcast your ignorance to the world. What really astounds me is how proud you are of your ignorance.

      --
      "Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert A. Heinlein
  2. Screw that! by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want my Acme rocket roller skates!

    --
    I drank what? -- Socrates
    1. Re:Screw that! by xWastedMindx · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can find those here.

      Pretty amusing clip, I might add. :)

    2. Re:Screw that! by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Screw the rocket roller skates. I want that neat black paint the Road Runner uses to paint tunnels onto mountainsides.

      -

      --
      - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
  3. Wouldn't it be easier... by Kelson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To create a Somebody Else's Problem field? People are quite good at ignoring what they think isn't important (or what they don't want to recognize), so if you could find a way to convince people to ignore something, it would be just as effective as actual invisibility.

    1. Re:Wouldn't it be easier... by Vengeance · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Judging by the American news media, I'd say it's already been invented and is in active use.

      --
      It was a joke! When you give me that look it was a joke.
  4. Nothing to see by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Funny

    I really find it hard to believe that the "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." i just saw is accidental, some meta-humour by Taco perhaps?

  5. Hmmm. by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll believe it when I see it.

    1. Re:Hmmm. by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll believe it when I don't!

      --
      ^_^
    2. Re:Hmmm. by jonoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be religious. *badum-ching*

      Thanks, I'll be here all week.

  6. Re: cloak of evasion by ltwally · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Personally I'm still waiting for my cloak of evasion. 20% miss chance is awesome."
    Yeah, but it doesn't work against constructs or undead, which is why I'll take my epic level cloak of elvenkind any day of the week.
    --



    /dev/random
  7. Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by cculianu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, according to D&D 3.5 rules, if you are invisible (as with improved invisibility), but are detected (ie enemies know where you are due to listen checks and/or maybe you just cast a spell, etc) you get a concealment bonus of 50%, which is better than that 20% evasion that you are talking about. So given a cloak of evasion or a cloak of invisibility, I would much rather have the invisibility, thank you very much. Even with regular invisibility I think it's a 25% concealment bonus -- still better than 20%.

    1. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by jt418-93 · · Score: 5, Funny

      seriously, get out and get laid dude.

      --
      -.no
    2. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by godscent · · Score: 4, Informative

      I assume CmdrTaco is talking about some other game. In D&D, evasion doesn't provide any kind of miss chance. It allows you to take less damage on certain attacks when making a successful reflex saving throw.

      Also, there is no cloak of evasion. There is a ring of evasion, though.

    3. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because of your post, I would like to present you with this +3 Sceptre of Extreme Dorkdom. I'm confident that you'll know exactly what the benefits and disadvantages of wielding it are.

      --
      This guy's the limit!
    4. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by ElephanTS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      brilliant :-)

      Worthy of seenonslash.com - see you there . . .

      --
      spoonerize "magic trackpad"
    5. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by Ansonmont · · Score: 5, Funny

      For those who don't know the SoED +3 offers the following benefits/penalties:

      Pros
      1) +3 Sci-Fi/Comics/Anime Knowledge Check
      2) +1 Money Making Technology Attribute
      3) +5 ability to skewer pompous know-it-alls

      Cons
      1) -5 Charisma score to all but the "Drow-knowing" of Female Humans.
      2) +4 vunerability to Jock/Bullies/Bugbears
      3) +6 affinity to "reading" Slashdot....

    6. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm fairly sure that most people who play D+D can't do much else but "wield their sceptres", if you get my drift.

      --
      By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
    7. Re:Actually invisibility gives 50% miss chance by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All kidding aside...

      It's a social game- my daughter and her husband played it together in college (it's partially how they met-- it's partially how me and her mom met). They play in my game now that they are back in town. Unfortunately- her mom and I only made it about 10 years.

      There were plenty of females in their college group.

      My games have had a lot of females and couples over the years including a couple messy affairs.

      My game was the basis for a sporting event (Ultimate frisbee) for close to a decade (if we didn't play- it didn't make). I still play ultimate twice a week and just last week they commented on my showing a bit of a six-pack.

      As for me... well I've probably seen more action than you have unless you are an NBA star and none of it through clubs or with "club" girls. A surprising amount through Everquest including a couple trips to Vegas.

      All of this takes money of course- which being a geek in the 80's made pretty easy to do in the 90's and now. I learned a lot of skills writing my D&D utilities in apple basic and cobol.

      Are some D&D folks massive nerds? Sure-- but so are some Harley motorcycle fans. Are they happy? If so why pick on them unless it makes you feel better about your own life (which undoubtably lacks perfection in some way too).

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  8. Apparently not quite reality yet by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the end of TFA: So far the researchers have only worked through the mathematics to prove that the device is plausible. The practicalities of making one have yet to be solved.

    --
    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    1. Re:Apparently not quite reality yet by BaronHethorSamedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, but try proving the non-existence of an invisible device...

  9. Slashdotters already have that power by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashdotters already have the power of invisibility. They can snipe other users with impunity via the Anonymous Coward feature. ;)

    --
    The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    1. Re:Slashdotters already have that power by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Motorcyclists have had this power far longer that slashdot AC's.

    2. Re:Slashdotters already have that power by djdavetrouble · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdotters already have the power of invisibility.

      It only works against female humans for some reason though.
      It is more like a cursed potion of invisibility from females if you really want to describe the artifact.
      I suspect that a 12 pack of mountian dew a day combined with excessive cheeto consumption metabolizes
      this potion inside the slashdotters body.

      --
      music lover since 1969
  10. Tesla did it! by cyber_rigger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds like a rehash of a phase conjugate mirror.

    http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/pc_wave.htm

  11. Caution, YASD by dmeranda · · Score: 5, Funny

    You pick up a tattered cape (K unpaid). Only $250 for you.
    You put on the tattered cape.
    Suddenly, you can see through yourself.
    The nurse hits.
    You can not remove the cloak, it seems to be cursed.
    The nurse hits.
    The floor is too hard to dig here.
    Really attack Wengretik the shopkeeper?
    Wengretik strikes at thin air.
    The nurse hits.
    Wengretik hits. Wengretik hits.
    You die.

    1. Re:Caution, YASD by SheeEttin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Die? (y/n) (n) n
      You pick up a forked wand.
      You zap a forked wand.
      You feel a wrenching sensation.
      You drink a ruby potion.
      Ooph! This tastes like liquid fire!
      You read a scroll labeled ELBIB YLOH.
      Being confused, you mispronounce the magic runes.
      Your tattered cloak falls to pieces!
      Death touches you! You die...

  12. Invisible... or black?!?? by Izhido · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.
    Maybe I'm getting this the wrong way, but if the object "absorbs" the light coming to it through the lens, wouldn't that object be perceived as black? I thought "invisible" is when any light coming behind the object passes through it, and into the observer's eye, with no obstacles whatsoever. But maybe it's just me...
    1. Re:Invisible... or black?!?? by dhj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's exactly true for human vision and the requirements for true invisibility... However, radar isn't quite as sophisticated as human vision. Rendering an object black is essentially the same as rendering it invisible because radar systems detect the reflection of radar off of objects to determine their location. The radar is actively transmitted and I imagine it would be very difficult to determine the difference between lack of reflection from dissipation vs a lack of reflection from absorbance of an object. You're absolutely right about the visible light spectrum. They would be seen as black. Planes flying with complete radar absorbtion and at night would essentially be "invisible" until it was too late to respond. Night vision detection would be much less effective when a plane is seen only as a "lack of stars" in the area where the plane is absorbing light. There are definitely techniques which could be developed (and probably already have been) for detecting a "moving shadow" on a starlit (or reflecting cloud-lit) background.

      --David

    2. Re:Invisible... or black?!?? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I recall correctly, something similar to this was used in the serbo-croatian conflict; one side found that they could detect incoming airborne objects (planes, missiles, etc.) by detecting "holes" in cellphone broadcast beacon radiation. They were basicly able to see every location in the sky where reflection was either greater or less than it should be.

    3. Re:Invisible... or black?!?? by chgros · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless that device works directly on your brain (which I doubt), what you say is complete nonsense. The absence of light is perceived as black.

  13. Re:Yesss finally I will be able to.... by Professr3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you realize how wrong that sounds?

  14. Another Jack Bauer fact... by flagstone · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't Jack Bauer already employ the "hoodie of invisibility" a couple of weeks (hours?) ago when sneaking onto the airplane?

    --
    These people have looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined.
  15. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I must not be a big enough nerd. I thought the cloak of evasion was something that helped you pay less taxes.

  16. concepts are here by mikesd81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can only imagine the power it would take to run a cloak like in Start Trek or Stargate, howerver certain concepts are here. For instance Active Camoflage. Granted it's not refracting light around the object, but it still gets the same result. I don't think we'll see a personal cloaking device, or for that matter one for a ship (where it makes it invisible) for a long time.

    --
    That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.
  17. Re:Wouldn't... by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, but a mosaic of microscopic convex mirrors might. The effect is such that you get the kind of "invisibility" that a chameleon does; the material would refract (or in the case of mirrors reflect) a blending of colours from surrounding objects, such that when an object is motionless it becomes very hard to pick out from the background due to the lack of contrast. It might be similar in appearance to the "invisibility" you see in the Predator movies. Not 100% invisible, but more of a shimmering, blended-in look, only it would not be transparent. If an object were to move behind the camoflauged object, you would immediately be able to pick it out from the background and target it. That's my guess, anyhow.

    A single mirror wouldn't cut it - if a flat mirror, you'd see a singular object from elsewhere in the region, or if a convex mirror, you'd see yourself in the mirror, along with your background. It would stand right out from the background, like an AC troll in an otherwise-reasonable discussion. ;)

    --
    The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
  18. Keep it Away by Luscious868 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep it away from future Dick Cheney hunting parties. He already shoots at people he can see, imagine the damage something like this could cause.

  19. Re:Yesss finally I will be able to.... by moochfish · · Score: 4, Funny

    I assume it sounds wrong because he's talking about eating a mathematical constant right? ;D

  20. /. is the invisibility club by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

    most slashdotters can make themselves invisible simply by entering a room

    (you're nodding your head right now, aren't you?)

  21. erm... are they sure they have the physics right by moochfish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Prof Milton's team calculated that when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.

    Wouldn't that make the cloak appear like a big black void of light?? Making things "invisible" requires light from the objects behind the cloak to pass through it.

  22. MMPPI by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    MMPPI = Megnetic Multiplexing Photon Phase Inversion.

    Ya, I made it up. Sounds cool though, so it must work. :P

    --
    Life is not for the lazy.
  23. Ummm... I have one in my bathroom... by phamlen · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article:
    The cloaking device relies on recently discovered materials used to make superlenses that make light behave in a highly unusual way. Instead of having a positive refractive index - the property which makes light bend as it passes through a prism or water - the materials have a negative refractive index, which effectively makes light travel backwards.

    Trust scientists to come up with a complicated term for "mirror" ... :)

  24. That's OK by Salsaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    If it only blocks one wavelength of light, you just paint the object that colour.

  25. The commercial by bastardknight · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you seen me now? .... no? good. Can you see me now? .... no? Good. Can you see me now? .... no? Good.

  26. "Selective frequencies" already in use by the Navy by CustomDesigned · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My Dad worked on creating "custom fog" for the Navy. He studied propagation, e.g. this civilian paper. Then he developed a method of modifying droplet size distribution in fogs over the ocean. The end product (details classified) allows ships to create a fog bank on demand over large bodies of water (within 1 or 2 hours) that blocks enemy frequencies, but has "holes" for friendly scanner frequencies. The details include taking temperature/humidity/droplet profiles by altitude of the atmosphere over the target area.

  27. Painting something black doesn't make it invisible by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All of these "cloaking" stories suffer from basically the same problem. Making something invisible is much, much more complicated than blocking light, or cancelling light, or anything like that.

    The article says, rather imprecisely, "when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible."

    But "erasing" the light reflecting off an object doesn't make it invisible, any more than painting a car black... even matte black... makes it invisible.

    In a dark room, if you cover a light with a black box it becomes invisible. When viewing a star from the earth, if it is occulted by, say, the moon passing between you and the object, it becomes invisible. If I pull a red cloak over myself, covering myself completely, you can no longer see me. You cannot tell who I am and if I stand very still perhaps you cannot tell that I am not a statue, so, in a sense, I have become invisible.

    But, to become invisible in the sense of H. G. Wells' "The Invisible Man," or a Star Trek cloaking device, or James Bond's invisible car, or what have you, requires much more than "not being able to see" the object. It means not being able to detect the presence of the object... under real-world lighting conditions, with real-world scenes _behind_ the object, and from more than one vantage point at the same time.

    That last one is the problem with many of these schemes. It doesn't do any good to make an object invisible when viewed by your right eye if there are "matte lines" around it when viewed with your left eye. It doesn't do a lot of good to make an object invisible as viewed from one soldier if it is visible to everyone else in the platoon.

  28. Re:Radar? by JedaFlain · · Score: 3, Informative

    Radio waves (which RADAR uses) are simply light waves. Radar works by bouncing the waves off an object. If this device refracts the light in such a way that it pass around the object without reflecting off of it, then the radio waves would not be able to return a signal to the radar station.

  29. I ALREADY HAVE THE POWER OF INVISIBILITY! by rubberbando · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least to women anyway, I smile and say hello and they don't seem to see me. Go figure. :-P

    --
    DEAD DEAD DEAD DELETE ME
    1. Re:I ALREADY HAVE THE POWER OF INVISIBILITY! by Buddy+Bag · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking from another day and time, you have hit on the whole point of it! Visibility and invisibility are as much psychological as applied physics. I just read what is supposed to be a true account of a maimed Chinese house church leader locked in a maximum security prison who walked slowly through three check points and out the front gate in the light of day. I was myself once a victim of quadranopsia. During the occurance I could not see items in the lower left quadrant of both eyes near the field equator, yet there was a sense of normalcy in my field of vision. There was no perceived abnormalcy until cars passing me in the left lane just vanished! Remember how magicians make things disappear? It is not about the event but one's perception of it. Perhaps the easiest way to make someone invisible is turn him into a geek! For that you don't even need a cloak.

  30. Re:Klingons vs. Romulans by BootNinja · · Score: 3, Informative

    I actually think the trade was cloak for a certain class of Bird of Prey, not warp drive. However, the Vulcans made first contact with Earth, not the Romulans. The Romulans are a sister race to the Vulcans. They both evolved on Vulcan, and then during the Time of Sarek, when Vulcans were coming very close to the point of destroying themselves through constant war, Sarek, the Vulcan "Father of Logic", convinced the majority of the population to learn to suppress their emotions, a (comparatively) small sect decided to leave the planet on several sublight spacecraft rather than supress their emotions. This is referred to by the Vulcans as "The Sundering." In TOS this was initially a closely guarded secret of the Vulcans. These sundered cousins eventually settled on the twin planets Romulus and Remus, and through generations of genetic drift became a separate species. If you look carefully, Romulans have slightly less pointed ears and more prominent brow ridges than their Vulcan cousins. For generations, the Vulcans did not know what had become of their sundered cousins. Sometime after the sundering is when Vulcans developed the warp drive. When the Romulans finally landed, their ships were in very poor shape, and they didn't have much in the way of raw materials or production methods, and were thus sent back to a sort of stone age. When The Federation made first contact with the warlike romulans, neither species had developed warp drive. The first Romulan war was carried out with sublight spacecraft.

  31. No, that would be transparent by gwhenning · · Score: 2, Informative

    Invisible can merely be concealed in such a manner as to not be detectible to the eye. Transparent allows light to pass through without distortion. Although this sounds more translucent, light passes through with slightly noticible effect.

    Main Entry: invisible
    Pronunciation: (")in-'vi-z&-b&l
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin invisibilis, from in- + visibilis visible
    1 a : incapable by nature of being seen b : inaccessible to view : HIDDEN
    2 : IMPERCEPTIBLE, INCONSPICUOUS
    3 a : not appearing in published financial statements b : not reflected in statistics

  32. Cloak of Invisibility Coming Soon? by seven+of+five · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cloak of Stupidity Already Here!

  33. Invisible or black by caller9 · · Score: 2

    What they describe as invisible sounds like black to me. Simple solution, shoot that black thing. The best use suggested in TFA is for radar systems that depend on the echo to spot targets. No echo, no target, the signal must've went into space. The problem would be that spot that just cast no return rays through the surrounding mountains that always return signal. Also, hasn't current stealth technology already done this? What happened to the rumored fiber optic suit that displayed light from the opposite side of the covered object so that it was "predator" visible but hard to see or aim at? I think the best invisibilty I've seen was a bobcat sunning in my back yard that I didn't notice until it moved, and the now dead rabbit I also didn't see until it was pouced upon probably assumed it materialized from thin air...otherwise why didn't it run? I was out there smoking for at least 5 minutes before I spotted the 40 lb killing machine. The rabbit didn't even see it while it slinked behind a nearby tree. True I was probably not paying that close attention initially..but damn "if it were a snake it would've bit me."