The Treo 700p Confirmed

Tam Hanna writes "People have been rumoring about the Treo 700p for quite some time, Now, HandMark has "officially" confirmed the Treo 700p's existance on their home page. While developers have had access to the machine for quite some time; this is the first "real" sighting""

Comments

What is this, digg?

[Kortec]

Since when have top line slashdot articles been links to 3 line blog posts? Perhaps in the future, we'd like to see someone who, you know, has something to say about the issue, rather than just announcing the thing.

Re:What is this, digg?

[solevita]

Don't worry, it's slashdotted already. There's only one thing worse then a blog, and that's a blog that doesn't work properly.

Re:What is this, digg?

[madstork2000]

I saw this during the "subscriber preview", it looks to be slashdotted now, so I will inform people DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME on this link. It just goes to a blog which basically pointed to a game "War Incorporated". The "confirmation" was a supported devices list on the game page that included the 700p. The blog had a screenshot of the list, not the device, by the time I viewed the actual game page the 700p had been removed from the devices list.

There was no information on the 700p, no photos of the 700p, nothing really at all about the 700p other than a reference to it in a devices list, big whoop. A very misleading slashdot story... Since it really is nothing we have not seen in regards to the 700p many times before...

This was a waste of a slashdot story....

-MS2K

Re:What is this, digg?

[Kortec]

In the words of Questionable Content: Bomb The Blogosphere!

Re:What is this, digg?

[Ritz_Just_Ritz]

Next thing you know, they will start posting lots of dupes, links to career "linkers" who load up the "story page" with banner ads...uh....oh wait.

Re:What is this, digg?

[Anonymous Coward]

Didn't Palm have a booth at Boston LinuxWorld in April, with a guy who was showing an early 700P? I'm bet a number of Slashdotters saw it, as Slashdot had a decent presence at that show.

Re:What is this, digg?

[BassKadet]

Nah, if it was Digg there would be more than 15 people online to make a comment on the story. :) -former Slashdotter who has seen the light

Re:What is this, digg?

[Anonymous Coward]

With your almost-7-digit UID, you must catch on quick. How long have you been on the internet? 2 months? 3?

Re:What is this, digg?

[Anonymous Coward]

it is officially released now

, allowing users to browse the web, check email and/or business transactions, and remain firmly connected to the world with one easy-to-use device.

http://www.slashphone.com/73/4321.html/

Re:What is this, digg?

[godless dave]

And since when do they contain basic spelling errors? (it's "existence" not "existance")

24

[dalmiroy2k]

Now we know what gadget Jack Bauer will be using next season.

Re:24

[filesiteguy]

I think I've heard rumors that the device has built-in GPS satellite reconfiguration codes so your average counter terrorism unit field staff won't have to rely on somone at the home office to do their work and then download images to the unit.

I've also heard rumors that it has a very good mini speaker system, which then is utilized to randomly shout phrases like, "PUT THE GUN DOWN!"

Unfortunatly, user testing has been an issue, because pretty much anyone within range of the unit who can make a decision or has information about the unit has suddenly died a violent death either due to gunshots, nuclear leakage or nerve gas.

Gasp!

[ian_mackereth]

This is the best-kept secret since Halo 3!

Slashdotted

[MC68040]

Three comments on the story and the host has already shut the site... Feel the power of the slashdotting

Re:Slashdotted

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, the only linked website is down and the summary contains almost zero information. So the Treo 700p... my guess is that it's some sort of a thing. Anyone know if it's any good?

Heh

[shadowknot]

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Re:Heh

[Anonymous Coward]

Solltest Du der Inhaber dieser Seite sein, so wende Dich bitte per E-Mail an support@hostloco.com

Ha! How insulting, they use "du" intead of "Sie." He must have forgotten to pay his bill.

700p?

[Cookie_Monster_Troll]

700 p? That one very cheap PDA. Me no can wait to buy.

Re:700p?

[MS-06FZ]

And it's a phone, too!

Though, you've got to keep in mind, the 700p price depends on a commitment to an 80 year voice+data service contract at a price of 12000p per month, with an early cancellation charge of 5000000p. I almost think you'd be better off paying more up front and getting a shorter service contract.

Too late for Americans

[Anonymous Coward]

In case no one has noticed the US dollar is about to fall off a cliff and the thought of affording such a lavish cell phone will be an impossibility in the near future. I suggest you slashdotters start paying more attention to what's happening in macro economics and less time on useless toys.

Re:Too late for Americans

[TheKidWho]

Fortunately for us, useless toys are what run the economy!

Re:Too late for Americans

[OutlandishMacabre]

Im thinking Xbox 360....

Re:Too late for Americans

[Babbster]

In case no one has noticed the US dollar is about to fall off a cliff and the thought of affording such a lavish cell phone will be an impossibility in the near future. I suggest you slashdotters start paying more attention to what's happening in macro economics and less time on useless toys.

Amen. My advice: Empty your bank accounts and buy all the "useless toys" you want right now!

And, to AC: What fucking good would it do me to may "more attention to what's happening in macro economics"? Will the dollar magically be shored up with happy days here again if I do?

Re:Too late for Americans

[TheKidWho]

Just as useless as a some new flashy clothing, or a diamond ring, or a fast sports car, or the last football game....

Whats your point? When you realize this come back to me ;-)

Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[WebHostingGuy]

If you want to see screenshots, fuzzy pictures, possible faked and/or original literature and a lot more information go to the discussion boards here: 700p Discussion on TreoCentral.com

According to the information there May 28, 2006 is the release date.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[mctk]

From the forum:

"So, basically you link us to Slashdot, who in turn gives a broken link to some blogger in Germany, who says he saw the 700p listed under compatible devices on a game from Handmark, which has since been removed..."

"This represents a new low in our desperation to hear about the Treo 700(p)."

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Reflex4468]

Ahh. Another fellow TreoCentral member. Yes, there are pictures up. Keep in mind that PALM announced the 700p to be for Verizon and Sprint only, not GSM. I also do need see this as great of a leap from a 600 to a 650. Minor bluetooth upgrades, more ram, EVDO(which has excessive charges upwards toward 60 per month), and a better screen than the 700w are about all that is worth listing. I'm keeping my 650. --

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Zeinfeld]

Minor bluetooth upgrades, more ram, EVDO(which has excessive charges upwards toward 60 per month), and a better screen than the 700w are about all that is worth listing. I'm keeping my 650. --

Is it any smaller or any more reliable?

I don't care which O/S they use, just that the thing works. The 650 is much better than my iPaq phone which was abysmal reliability wise and much too big and the TMobile GPRS was worse.

But the 650 still has major problems. The browser sucks really badly. It has no cache, not even for the last page visited. And if you use the phone or it goesw to standby all info in the beowser is lost completely.

It worst habbit is turning off the phone for no apparent reason.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[FleaPlus]

But the 650 still has major problems. The browser sucks really badly.

Have you tried using Opera Mini? I've been using it on my Treo 600, and have been quite happy with it.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Zeinfeld]

Have you tried using Opera Mini? I've been using it on my Treo 600, and have been quite happy with it

Thats not really the point, if the phone is meant to compete with the Windows phone it should come with a top grade browser. Otherwise we get into the type of comparisons that says that a dodge neon is as good as a ferrari because it can go faster than a Ferrari if you weld a jet engine on the back.

I should not need to buy a new browser for a $600 phone that may only last a year or so.

The biggest strike against the Treo is that it is way too bulky, about twice as thick as the Razr. It is the first converged PDA/Phone/Pager to be worth having but it is clearly a transitional device. The RAZR has almost the same functionality but is half the thickness.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Moofie]

Almost the same functionality? In a Razr? Pass what you're smokin'.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[devilspgd]

If you only use the built-in apps, it's not TOO far off...

Luckily, there are more choices then the built-in apps :)

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're thinking it costs 60 bucks a month for EVDO access on a smartphone, you're completely wrong...as long as you stay away from Verizon. Sprint charges $15 for Power Vision, and yes, that includes the Treo. I pay $10 (grandfathered) for unlimited 1xRTT on my Treo. Note these plans do NOT include tethering to a PC. If you're talking about tethering to a PC, then you shouldn't mention cost of EVDO in this discussion as that has nothing to do with the Treo.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[tzanger]

It worst habbit is turning off the phone for no apparent reason.

No, it's rebooting and not turning the phone back on. Get something like RadioState (it's free) to fix this. I have to admit though my 650 RARELY reboots now. It's still a pain when it does, but it's very, very, very infrequent.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Moofie]

Uh, yeah, if you're only using the built-in apps, you spent WAY too much on your phone.

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[devilspgd]

Not on the phone, the Palm...

Re:Go to TreoCentral for Better Information

[Moofie]

My phone (Treo 650) is a Palm, which is crazy-go-nuts expensive if you don't use the massive library of third-party software. But thanks for checking!

Forgot Link previous post

[WebHostingGuy]

Link to 700p Discussion

Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[russsell]

It's existence, not "existance"

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[dhruvx]

ooops...! am i in the wrong channel here? I thought this was slashdot and not english-spellcheckers-addicted-anonymous :P

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

"It's existence, not "existance""

Thanks for the spelling tip, Mr. Russsell with three S's.

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[kondrag]

Definately!

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[saihung]

...and you forgot to mention that there is no verb form of "rumor."

(spelling Nazi, meet grammar Nazi)

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[ArsonSmith]

And why not? To me it seems like there is now.

(Grammar Nazi meat natural evolving language advocate.)

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[Kredal]

Do you advocate meeting the meat?

Re:Still no existence of a spell-checker...

[Anonymous Coward]

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I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF is Treo 700p?

Re:I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.google.com/search?q=700p

Yeah but will it run...

[Anonymous Coward]

Palm OS?
The 700w running Windows Mobile still seems wrong to me.

Re:Yeah but will it run...

[Pulse_Instance]

are you actually serious with that question? Of course it will be Palm OS running on it, the w on 700w is indicative of windows and the p is indicative of 700 palm. The only dissappointment is that it will not be Palm OS 6 which to all rumors will never come out now, as the next OS released for Palm devices is going to be Palm ACCESS Linux.

picture

[AnonymousCowheart]

Well, since this has become a thread of rumors, I may as well post the following pics:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8358/rumor-poss ible-images-of-the-treo-700p/
Again, not confirmed.

Re:picture

[inKubus]

Uh, what about Palm's 700p Page? Or is you looking for a review?

The link says..

[saboola]

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Re:Go to TreoCentral or Treonauts

[mj01nir]

Or Treonauts 700p page which now has what they claim is a pulled TechWorld article with crunchy info.

700L?

[Doc Ruby]

Will the 700P present a better target for installing Linux than the 700W, the same way Windows HW is the main platform for Linux, but Palm HW is usually more problematic?

Re:700L?

[bfree]

You could try hackndev.com to get Linux onto your Palm, though it is still in relatively early stages.

f that noise

[buddha42]

You would have to be a pretty die hard MiKKKro$uX troll to continue trying to use a palmOS based treo. I don't care if my next one is based on windows, linux or fucking os/2, so long as its not palm again. My company doled out 650's to our oncall sysadmins and each and every one of us has had to replace the phone at least once, repeatedly hardreset and reinstall everything, and just generally live with the fact that it will crash, will hang, will not multitask, oh and did I mention it crashes. From an operating system standpoint it is pre-windows-3.11. You cannot run your ssh client and your web browser at the same time*. Any given application can hang and take the whole phone with it.

Its funny actually, if you call verizon's tech support line they have a giant "press 1 if this is about a treo" early in the menu system.

*not that the browser is of any use, for instance slashdot and wikipedia both render as a single charachter wide page several thousand lines long.

Re:f that noise

[Jeff DeMaagd]

The Palm-based PDAs I have used were pretty good. The only problem I had with my current unit, a Tapwave Zodiac, was a bad sync/charging cable. I think it multitasks, at least it allows playing music while doing other things. I've never had the need to run SSH or web browsing on such a tiny device.

Re:f that noise

[James McP]

Blame the carrier, not Palm. Each carrier hacked up the Treo's firmware to varying degrees (eliminate BT networking, custom ringtone downloaders, etc). If a carrier can't turn off features, they won't carry the phone. Whee, isn't it wonderful to have carrier-locked phones?

Cingular Treo 650s are absolutely horrible. The half-dozen I've had to work with have been totally nightmarish. Audio stops mid call, freaky volume controls, and horrible data transfers. Worse, Cingular seems to have no clue how to support it and pushes you to use their add-on business email product. If you are going with Cingular, get the unlocked GSM Treos. I wish I'd known that before half our executives went with Cingular Treos.

Sprint 650's are pretty much rock solid with great data transfer speeds. Yeah, mine's crashed a few times but each time the internal log pointed at a 3rd party app I'd installed; I find an alternative product or report a bug and my life goes on. On average the Blazer web page download + render comes out to 150Kbit while FTP and email downloads is closer to 250kbit. The Sprint Blazer still has the limit on large web pages but it doesn't crash, just stops downloading additional data. They are better about most common data issues but their sales staff still get confused about the difference between SMTP/POP and crackberry push email.

It's a relief that Cingular doesn't serve all the areas we've got offices so that Sprint 650s can counter the bad press of the Cingular ones.

Can't talk about Verizon or T-Mobile Treos so they could be angels or devils.

And yeah, I dislike WinCE not because of how the devices function but because of the problems ActiveSync seems to engender. I can't count the number of email accounts that have gone over their limit due to the massive ActiveSync error log. I personally prefer PalmOS over WinCE but I can understand why some people are drawn to the WinCE devices.

Re:f that noise

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know what you're doing with them, but I have a Treo 600 and it works pretty much flawlessly. The 650 is somewhat different so maybe it's a hardware issue.

Re:f that noise

[mjh]

I too have had great success with my Palm based units... until I got my 650. I previously had two Palm IIIs and three Palm Vx's. I only replaced them when I dropped one and had the screen crack. I loved my Palm PDAs and loved the idea of marrying my PDA and my phone.

But I've had trouble with my 650. The first one that I had, had some serious hardware problems - it would just randomly reboot during a phone calls I couldn't keep the thing running for more than 20 mins. The second one that I had, the headset got jammed somehow and I could no longer use the phone without the headset plugged in. And almost all of the bluetooth headsets seem to have volume problems except the one that Palm sells!

The third one has been better on the hardware side (but still not perfect), but the sync conduits for Outlook that ship on the CD completely suck! I had appointments that would migrate one hour earlier every time I synced. They also changed the owner of appointments, so that if someone sent me a meeting invite, it would suddenly change to being owned by me. I solved these problems by purchasing third party sync software.

I still wouldn't switch to a windows mobile based phone. The guy in the next cubicle down has one and my problems seem tiny in comparison to his. But the reputation that Palm had built up for their devices is tarnished in my opinion by these problems. I hope that the 700p is better.

Re:f that noise

[puto]

Actually, second time you made this comment in the thread.

As a former escalation manager at Cingular,as of two weeks ago, I transferred over to a parent company.

Palm screwed the pooch on the Cingular Treos. The cellphone companies do not rewrite the firmware. Palm does to the specifications of each carrier.

Palm flubbed the firmware and issued a silent recall. I know I have replaced many and only until recently has Palmone released any decent ones. The only diffrence between unlocked palm ones is branding and a few other bells and whistles you can activate on them.

The only thing the carrier provides to palm is the algos for the unlock codes, and palm supplies each carrier with a keygen.

I can count three horrible batches from Palm of the top of my head.

Cingular support does leave a bit wanting, but call and ask for the PMC data group, front line CSRs do not know to much about the Palm.

Palm does not do GSM well at all. We test bacthed unlocked ones straight from the factory, and same issues.

Currently Sprint does have a better data network. Cingular is somewhat lacking, and hopefully they will get it together. I have seen some pretty neat stuff in a few test markets that was damned impressive. And that is me not showing company loyalty.

And what most people do not realize. Cingulars main tech center is located in Gulfport Missipi, another in Mobile, another in Miami, they got whacked pretty hard by the hurricanes in the middle of the network integration.

I have my own issues with Cingular. But I know a Cingular GSM phone will get your more coverage than a sprint one across the nation, I own a Sprint phone as well. Girlfriend is on sprint.

Curious what areas does Cingular not service?

Puto

Re:f that noise

[James McP]

• Palm screwed the pooch on the Cingular Treos. The cellphone companies do not rewrite the firmware. Palm does to the specifications of each carrier.Palm flubbed the firmware and issued a silent recall.The only diffrence between unlocked palm ones is branding and a few other bells and whistles you can activate on them.

It might be the bells and whistles that Cingular demands be disabled that is causing the snafus. Imagine a Ford dealer requesting all Tauruses be shipped with a carbureator instead of a fuel injector. I can't say, it's conjecture on my part. I just know Cingular Treos have been only slightly better than putting rabid weasels up to your head.

And if there is/was a silent Palm1 recall, Cingular was dragging their feet about doing device swaps. They could have cheerfully offered to replace handsets on PalmOne's dime instead of making people jump through hoops to do so.

I frequent TreoCentral and MyTreo and the unlocked/international crowd don't seem to have the same quantities of complaints or it could be that PalmOne's unlocked firmware is released more often than Cingular will allow. For instance, the unlocked firmware (1.2) has the revised Blazer while Cingular's firmware (1.17) does not.

• Cingular support does leave a bit wanting, but call and ask for the PMC data group, front line CSRs do not know to much about the Palm.

I ask to speak with a CSR/department who is familiar with Palms and network services each time I'm forced to call. They pretty much refused to transfer me anywhere. Nothing like having someone tell me that a "relaying denied" message on a Palm when using the Cingular mail server was a problem with "my corporate mail server" to demonstrate I'm talking to experts. I'd be fine with waiting for someone trained if they'd just send me there.

• I have my own issues with Cingular. But I know a Cingular GSM phone will get your more coverage than a sprint one across the nation, I own a Sprint phone as well. Girlfriend is on sprint. Curious what areas does Cingular not service?

Since the AT&T buyout, probably none. I'm still a bit bitter about the AT&T buyout since they were my carrier. Quality dropped during the migration, they making noise about dismantling the TDMA towers (which way outnumbered GSM towers in my region of Kentucky) getting a Cingular rep to do anything but repeat herself like a parrot when they misbilled me was like pulling teeth. I know *how* I got misbilled (they changed my billing date and swapped how minutes were used between "standard" and "bonus") but the stupid woman didn't seem to understand that if I have a 400minute plan and I only use 225 minutes in the billing cycle that there's no way I am (or should be) paying for 75 minutes of "out of plan usage."

Wow, that was worth it.

[Thumper_SVX]

Earlier on it was a link to nothing even resembling confirmation, 10 minutes later it's Slashdotted. Lovely.

Sorry, I'm not terribly excited about this to be honest, the Palm OS has become as bloated and annoying an operating system as earlier versions of Windows CE. I run a SmartPhone device (MPX220) and despite its flaws I find it superior to recent versions of Palm. I'm not a Microsoft apologist... I just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable. Recent versions just seem to have become "feature rich" without really fixing its problems.

Wake me up when there's a GSM version of the 700w, now THAT I'll be interested in to replace my MPx220 and Ipaq.

Re:Wow, that was worth it.

[gatzke]

The 700W has had problems with stability. Some people report reboots with the 650, but that is probably aftermarket stability (and usually not happening during phone calls). The 700W has reports of dropped calles due to software.

The 700W also has a low res screen. Something about MS not supporting anything but 240x240, while the 650 and 700p should do 320x320.

I have heard that the 700W and Windows in general is difficult to navigate. I love the zen of palm, and they have reworked most applications to work well with the 5way button. Easy one-button access to my required apps (no start / navigate garbage) then easy use just like my old palm 3...

650 did what I need, 700p should do that plus fix some problems (super low res camera now a low res camera). I still have a list of wants that nobody can do in a convergence device:

Stereo wireless mp3+mic
Bigger screen
More memory onboard (like 2 GB)
2 SD cards (wifi, GPS and memory?)

Re:Wow, that was worth it.

[zullnero]

That's exactly what the old Tapwave Zodiac had... :)

Re:Wow, that was worth it.

[gatzke]

Tapwave Zodiac looks pretty nice, but it looks like just PDA, multimedia, and gaming, not PDA and camera and phone and MP3 and multimedia and word/office and pdf viewer and web browser like the Treo.

And how did I get moderated troll on my previous post in this thread? Crazy. You have not seen troll...Idiots.

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Windows Based Treo for Cingular

[MikeWin10]

I have the treo 650, third one actually, the last 2 were lemmons. So far this one hasn't let me down too much. But I really want one like the new 700w that Verizon has, but I don't want to switch to Verizon. It would be great if that had a 700c for cingular...

Re:Windows Based Treo for Cingular

[James McP]

It's Cingular, not palm. Each of the carriers rewrites the stock Palm firmware to add/remove features. You'll note that each of the carriers has a different firmware version.

Three executives where I work have Cingular 650s. Two executives, myself, and another IT guy have Sprint 650s. The Cingulars have had to be replaced due to problems with audio vanishing, dropped calls, horrible data transfer rates, and frequent crashes on completely stock devices.

The biggest problem we have with the Sprint Treos is getting the right email username & passwords. I'm probably the harshest abuser of my 650 and it's pretty much rock solid. I've been a palm user for years and some of my favorite apps are abandonware that don't get along well with OS5 which did cause some crashing for the first month or so as I figured out what was 650-friendly and what was a valid replacement.

The last reboot I had occurred when I hit the "web browser" button at the exact same moment someone called me. Other than such freakish incidents, the device is wonderful.

If you want a 650 or even a 700w for Cingular, see if you can find one of the GSM-unlocked Treos on Ebay.

Actual handmark.com site links

[jpostel]

Google "700p site:handmark.com" and you will see that it is listed as a supported model on most of the PalmOS software titles.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=700p+site%3Ah andmark.com&btnG=Google+Search

I have used the Treo 300, 600, and 650. My company switched from the 650 to the PPC6700 due to problems some people had with Versamail and Exchange 2003 integration. Half the people that switched are asking for their Treos back after a couple of months with the 6700.

I will be buying a 700p for myself. We have a hand-me-down system in the family and my wife wants my 650 and then her mother gets the old 600 that my wife uses.

Re:Actual handmark.com site links

[rindeee]

I had the 600 (unlocked GSM) and was really excited when the 650 was released. I purchased an unlocked 650 which died (touch screen quite working on receive calls) after about 6 weeks. They (PalmOne) swapped it with a new one. This one crashed constantly (the first one crashed frequently as well I might add). After a third 650 from PalmOne, I could no longer tolerate the constant crashing (third was no better than second) and I sold it. I purchased a Voq Professional Phone for $90 and I am quite happy with it. Nice flip-out b'berry style keyboard, good browser, etc. Discontinued...yeah, but hey...$90. Did I mention it was only $90.

First real sighting was a few months ago...

[Aphrika]

Some more info here

Yes, there's a slim possibility it's a Photoshop job, but it's sure as hell a lot more fun to look at that a Slashdotted site. heck, even Engadget had the Treo 700p featured back in February!

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Info about Treo 700p

[$exyNerdie]

Check this out:

http://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=20986

Wake me when

[ScottCooperDotNet]

Wake me when there is a new version of VAX announced. You damn kids, in my day phones were for calls and not television shows. What is this world coming to?

* Walks away in disgust. *

Re:Wake me when

[tomstdenis]

I really question if people are fundamentally more efficient as people with all their extra doo-dahs and thingy-ma-jobs. I may have the worlds coolest phone but I still need to be at [the very least] a terminal to code properly. Nothing says impractical as typing C source code on a 3x4 numpad!

I think most business types just carry that shit around for status. I mean in all my travels I see people having conference calls and shit on them but it's like, if the meeting was that important you wouldn't be sitting in an airport gate waiting to board...

Also hates ringtones. I swear to god if I hear that stupid Razr flipfone default tone one more time I'll start killing people...

Tom

Re:Wake me when

[HaydnH]

"Nothing says impractical as typing C source code on a 3x4 numpad!"

Perhaps you should try a Treo then, it has a qwerty keyboard and I can ssh in to my home machine from it and use vi... it's great for when I leave my machine on all day and need to turn it off before my other half gets home - she likes to nag about electricity bills!

Re:Wake me when

[chris.evans]

They need to come up with a wifi/AM/FM/TV/MP3/CDMA cellphone. With data storage flash drive (access via NFS of SMB) so you can use it like a floppy disk... Wifi and cdma bouth work on similar frequency and I bet VHF/UHF reception would work as well with out too much drain on battery. hmmm. (dreaming)

--chris

Hey!

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe I SHOULD be the owner of this site! I'll bang off an email to support@hostloco.com right away!

700W vs. 700P - Which to buy?

[BTWR]

I'm a medical student and I just sold my Tungsten T5 (For $280!!! I love Craigslist!) because I wanted to buy myself a Treo. I hated having to carry both a cellphone and my palm, which is kinda bulky.

I know medical software is mostly Palm-based, but there's enough on PPC to get by. How is Windows Mobile in general? Any other comments/suggestions?

Re:700W vs. 700P - Which to buy?

[Planesdragon]

Unless you have a good reason to switch, stay with Palm OS.

The 700p will have almost exactly the same UI as your T5, albeit with 320x320 instead of 320x480. If you go to a 700w, you'll have an entirely different UI that runs at a lower resolution.

Remember: the 700w was released for corporate heavy networks that are all-windows. If it's just you, and you're not a big fan of WinMob, then don't do it.

Re:700W vs. 700P - Which to buy?

[BTWR]

Well, i hear there's simply a lot more windows-interfacing with Windows Mobile. Might be cool to have all your windows programs available 24/7 on-the-go...

Re:700W vs. 700P - Which to buy?

[HaydnH]

I vote for the 700p - I have a 650 and there's absolutley no way I'd go to a 700w!

Re:700W vs. 700P - Which to buy?

[Planesdragon]

Well, i hear there's simply a lot more windows-interfacing with Windows Mobile. Might be cool to have all your windows programs available 24/7 on-the-go...

You heard wrong, actually. Windows Mobile is NOT a Win32 environment. While there is a lot of code overlap between the OS's, it's not enough to let anything you'd actually want to run transltate over without significant work on the developer's part.

Palm has much better office support than Windows Mobile -- both with the standard Documents to Go and the popular quickoffice, but also wtih direct-sync access through Palm's address book to Outlook. And while you can use a VNC-type connection through Windows Mobile, you can do exactly the same thing with Palm.

known about this for months

[Anonymous Coward]

first off I work at sprint. they first started talkin about this in feb., then set a roll out for late may/early june. I figured since we had a target date ppl already knew about it. look for them in the legacy nextel stores first with legacy sprint stores getting them a cpl weeks later.

Palm already lost out

[scronline]

I had a treo 300 and wanted to replace it with the the latest handheld from palm WITH PalmOS. That was the 650, but the 700w was available. I waited for 5 months for the 700p and I was going to buy as soon as it was available. However, my 300 finally died so I had no choice. Since I couldn't get a 700p I was forced to look at other avenues for replacement/upgrade device. I wasn't about to spend top dollar for a previous model just because I didn't want Windows. Long story short, I bought a used one for much less.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a lost sale to PalmOne. After all, I was going to buy a brand new 700p but now I don't need to. I've upgraded to "current" and I won't need to do so again for quite some time. I've been saying all along that a Windows model of their handheld isn't a BAD idea but letting their own OS suffer because of it wasn't a good idea. They should have simply been released together, or atleast released close enough together that it wouldn't have been almost half a year that people had to wait. After all, I've been a loyal palm owner since Palm II and to be perfectly honest, I feel almost like they've taken a giant dump on my loyalty.

No Wifi ????

[cacrus]

WTF

You *are* a Microsoft apologist.

[javaisyourfriend]

Gee, guess what, you *are* a Microsoft apologist.

"just have used Palms since my old PalmPilot Pro, but lost interest when they went to color without the proper CPU support to make it usable."

THAT WAS THE PALM IIIc!!

So, you "lost interest" with the Palm IIIc, and now you judge the current color PalmOS PDAs and smartphones based on your 6 years old Palm IIIc experience.

And you want me to believe your comment is not just coming from a WinMob lover?

Give me a break!.

Re:You *are* a Microsoft apologist.

[Thumper_SVX]

Actually, I've used Palm repeatedly and have been severely underwhelmed. I was provided a Treo 650 by my work and it languished due to instability and just general problems (granted, some of them were hardware rather than software problems).

Sorry, I'm not a Microsoft apologist... I don't like their desktop or server OS's. They pay the bills, but every PC in my house runs some flavor of Linux or MacOS. Oh, except my laptop... but that's also provided by work. I don't think PocketPC is particularly fabulous either, but the simple fact is that it has met and even exceeded my needs for several years.

My comment about the IIIc was just to point out when I think Palm lost their way. This is, of course IMHO and you are entitled to your own. No need to become insulting just because you happen to disagree.

ZDNet's got it now...

[erc]

Slashdot away: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6072047.html

Cerveza

[Anonymous Coward]

Beer. Oh, and an EV-D0 Palm-based smart phone would be nice too. But mostly the beer.

Why Rumors

[nkrgovic]

There is an official site There's even a comparison with other treo's. It seems it will be only US for now, and the only major difference is a better camera and more RAM. While it sounds ok, it's not a killer upgrade over 650.

CmdrTaco strikes again

[Anonymous Coward]

Proofread this for spelling. Assuming you know how "existence" should be spelled, it only takes a minute. Or, if you have a spell checker, it takes even less time.

Here is a better link

[Drakin030]

This atleast shows a picture. http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/04/palm-treo-700p- looking-legit/

Official Press Release now available on Newswires.

[onpaws]

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewssto ry&refer=conews&tkr=PALM:US&sid=ae.rzYcC2VaQ

Enjoy.

Here it is.

[Cougarman]

What about this link on Palm's own website? http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?creativeID=HmPg_BB|treo700p_announce ment I mean, am I being dense, or is it so hard to find info on the 700P?

Treo reliability

[dublin]

I've heard a few people complain about the Treo650's reliability, but very few, and almost all on Cingular.

My Sprint Treo 650 has a few minor warts, but it's still a very solid device, although it's not as solid, or as well-integrated from a phone perspective as the Kyocera 6035 Palm phone I had before. No Palm phone I've seen is as solid and reliable as a Palm PDA-only device yet. (Although any Palm device is orders of magnitude more stable and rugged than any Windows Mobile device I've seen.)

My biggest gripe is the execrable Blazer browser. The Sprint data network actually doesn't suck (even without EVDO) but you'd never know that from using Blazer. (To get an idea of the underlying network's true speed, notice the performance you get when bypassing Blazer to make a similarly large data connection - upgrading Pocket Tunes is a great example - it flat flies.)

Really, in today's world, the browser could easily be the most important app on the device, and Blazer is just awful - it's so bad, in so many important ways, that it's hard to find words to express how stupid, dumb and broken it is. At his point, there is no really good alternative, either - no proxied browser makes any sense in today's web apps/Ajax world, and Opera Mini is enormous (counting Java, which you must) and doesn't work with anything else on the device, making it an island. Palm needs to get us a real, fast browser - I'd give up all other new features for that. (Although replacing the incredibly lame RealPlayer with PocketTunes is a great move, since it's the only really functional audio player option available for Palm devices. The Blazer guys could learn a LOT from the programmers at Normsoft!)

Still the Treo 650 is a very solid device, with one weird exception: pressing the green phone key to wake it up after WorldClock has sounded an alarm causes a spontaneous reboot. Annoying, but not critical.

Rumor?

[Noctopus]

"...rumoring about the Treo 700p for quite some time, Now, HandMark has "officially" confirmed the Treo 700p's existance...." Rumor? How about checking with Palm? http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?creativeID=HmPg_BB|treo700p_announce ment I've been waiting for this for six months.

Treo 700p

[FormerComposer]

I just received email (5/15/06 9:18am CDT) from Palm Products Newsletter announcing "The new Treo 700p smartphonecoming soon on the Sprint and Verizon Wireless networks." Basic ad email with some pictures.

From the Palm.com website

[guacamolefoo]

I guess it's for real, and not just some blogger's fantasy:

http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?sssdmh=dm13.112777

If it's from the horse's mouth, I suppose it's not bs. Plus, Palm's website is unlikely to be slashdotted. The site also has, you know, lists of features, brochures, and stuff.

highlights of new phone

[guacamolefoo]

From the palm.com site:

http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?sssdmh=dm13.112777

(coming soon, allegedly)

• better camera (1.3 MP)
  
• dial-up networking to let your laptop connect via evdo
  
• voice memos (formerly needed an add-on to do this)
  
• more built-in memory
  
• different built-in mp3 player
  

Form factor is the same. Slightly heavier.

Looks like a nice upgrade, for my purposes, anyway. Plus I could punt my 650 to my wife. I wish they'd have a standard headphone jack, though, for mp3 playback.

You need to catch up with current events

[sean.peters]

I've been saying all along that a Windows model of their handheld isn't a BAD idea but letting their own OS suffer because of it wasn't a good idea. They should have simply been released together, or atleast released close enough together that it wouldn't have been almost half a year that people had to wait. After all, I've been a loyal palm owner since Palm II and to be perfectly honest, I feel almost like they've taken a giant dump on my loyalty.

When you say "their own OS", what exactly are you talking about? Palm spun off their OS business a long time ago. The new OS company, "PalmSource", was itself bought up by a Chinese firm. If the OS and hardware were still part of the same concern, you can bet that a Windows model would never have been released at all.

Sean

Treo 700P? When will it have the Blackberry emulat

[ekimminau]

Look. I loved my Treo 600. Palm said it was going to release a Blackberry emulator http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=68 24 for it, then changed the tune to say it would only be relased for the Treo 650 (sometime in December 2005). It still hasn't been released for the Treo 650 and still isn't available for the 700W. I HATE the blackberry Im forced to use on a daily basis and would much prefer to have a Palm on my hip again. How about an info update, Palm? Will you EVER release the Blackberry Connect port for PalmOS? PLEASE!

Real Confirmation:

[Val314]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo70 0p/index.html?creativeID=HmPg_BB|treo700p_announce ment&AID=10380937&PID=1511436

(link found via http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/5/ 15/3967 )

Cingular vs Sprint?

[skintigh2]

I have been waiting forever for the 700p to come out! I was going to go with cingular or unlocked GSM, but now I'm not sure.

For starters, is cingular selling customer data to the government?

And it has been pointed out that if cingular phones have less than 4 out of 5 antenna bars they totally garble the conversation. I have confirmed this is the case with two different friends by asking them how many antenna bars they have when their phone started dropping multiple words from every sentence. One had a 650p (3 of 5 bars) and the other some newish flip phone (3 full bars and 2 half bars, whatever that means).

But then again Sprint doesn't work well in my house on my old, old phone and I usually have to outdoors, and half the time it doesn't even ring when someone calls... Will a newer phone work better? Do they all suck?

Re:Treo 700P? When will it have the Blackberry emu

[Anonymous Coward]

I too have been waiting for Blackberry Connect and would like to see it for the new Treo 700p. However, Blackberry Connect isn't necessary for the Treo 700w, as it will work natively with Microsoft Exchange 2003 SP2 as long as you've installed the MSFP (Microsoft Security and Features Pack) for the Treo 700w. Verizon released the MSFP for the 700w on Verizon's network at the end of April. I've installed it and it essentially makes the Treo 700w work like a Blackberry, with no BES license required. The tools to remotely wipe a Treo or to enforce a password policy are crude compared to what the BES offers, but it definitely works.