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Possible Antibiotic for MRSA Superbug

darkmeridian writes "Merck has discovered a possible treatment for methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, a virulent superbug resistant to many current antibiotics. The new compound, platensimycin, was found in a sample of South African soil and works by preventing the bacteria from assembling fatty acids into its cell membrane. This mechanism of action is novel among antibiotics, most of which currently block DNA assembly or protein assembly. Of course, this product still has to undergo human testing, but apparently looks promising."

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  1. Superbug vaccine... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 5, Funny
    For some reason when I read this I thought it said there was an Antibiotic for the MPAA Superbug (I know it doesn't quite make sense). Sheesh, what a let down. If there was a RIAA/MPAA vaccine, I bet someone could sell millions.

    Oh well... I guess it's good that they may actually get some treatment options for this disease. It sounds horrible. According to http://citypaper.net/articles/2005-03-03/cb2.shtml
    It usually first appears in a warm, moist section of the body, like an armpit or the crotch. Initially, it is a small, red bump, similar to a spider bite. Within days, it develops into a boil the size of a grapefruit with the potential to spread fatal poisons into the bloodstream. In other strains, it gradually eats away at a victim's flesh. Methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is a highly contagious skin infection that is resistant to the most commonly used antibiotics.

    So if some stranger in the supermarket asks you to look at their rash and wonders if it's contagious... don't hesitate to punch them. Or maybe you guys don't live in quite the redneck neighborhood that I do...
    1. Re:Superbug vaccine... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Antibiotic resistant staph is definitely no joke. Once it gets into a hospital, it can be exceedingly difficult to eradicate, and spreads from patient to doctor to patient very easily. Heck, doctors themselves can transmit it from hospital to hospital if they work in multiple facilities. In my case, I had a close family friend who got in a serious motorcycle accident and, among other things, had to get pins placed in his spine. After the surgery, they discovered he had contracted staph, and it was probably brought in by the doctor who performed his surgery (this particular hospital hadn't had a case in a very long time, prior to this).

      As a result, they weren't able to close the wound immediately, and in fact had to debride it a number of times. Eventually, they had to put him on vancomycin (once it was clear he had an antibiotic resistant strain), which is a very powerful antibiotic with a number of side-effects.

    2. Re:Superbug vaccine... by drgonzo59 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      MRSA is already here and is bad enough, but there is already fear of the vancomycin resistant staph. Vancomycin, as it is clear from your story, is a last resort antibiotic, when all others have failed. There is evidence that there could be a super-super-bug that would be resistant to vancomycin as well. The common mechanism of action of these antibiotics is to provent the assembly of the cell wall. It so happens that only prokariotic cells (which staph. aureus is) have this external cell wall structure to prevent them from "exploding" due to high internal osmotic pressure. So this cell wall has been and is a good target for antiobiotics.

      It is interesting how most of the antibiotics -- this new one and including the first one -- penicillin, are sythesized and produced by fungi. There is a constant battle for nutrition and space between the bacteria and the fungi -- some kind of an evolutionary yin and yang. One will always try to overtake the other and will develop new mechanisms for resistance or attack.

    3. Re:Superbug vaccine... by wizardofodd · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Talk about timing... 4 weeks ago I was diagnosed with MRSA. They kept me in the hospital in isolation for the first week. The MRSA was located in my right foot. It was so severe that the had to amputate it to in order to save my life. The worst part of the ordeal was spending 2 weeks without Slashdot. The best part was the spongebath with 3 of the nurses. :-)

      Now I'm at home taking a antobiotic called cefazolin every 8 hours until the remainder of the infection clears up. But now I get to spend all day reading Slashdot. I guess somepeople would give their right foot to be able to do that. ;-)

      Hey, what do you expect me to do, cry about it? Just keeping my spirits up.

    4. Re:Superbug vaccine... by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Do we need an outright epidemic to get people to realize the threat of emerging infectious diseases?"

      Nah. We need to redesign the financing structure of pharmaceutical development so research is profitable by itself, and the production/marketing/administration of the pharmaceuticals has to play by competetive market rules. Funding models comparable to other public-interest development would be far more appropriate than the current monopoly incentive.

    5. Re:Superbug vaccine... by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Informative

      Part of the problem is that they never retire older antibiotics. I think penicillin is still being used in cattle feed or some such silliness.

      If the drug companies "benched" and old drug for say 10 or 20 years then there is a very good chance that it would become effective again.
      The same evolutionary pressures that allow bacteria to gain resistance so quickly should help them loose it as well.

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  2. Source...code. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The new compound, platensimycin, was found in a sample of South African soil and works by preventing the bacteria from assembling fatty acids into its cell membrane."

    Just one more reason for us to not destroy our environment.

    1. Re:Source...code. by mojojojoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      South Africa isn't quite third world. It has a dual economy, which our government is doing its best to merge. Needless to say most of the pharmaceutical companies there have learnt to behave well. Some of them go out of their way to assist indigenous communities, especially if they have assisted in finding useful plants and that sort of thing. Also, finding a soil bacteria that produces any antibiotic is not so simple. You have to take thousands and thousands of soil samples and eventually, if you are lucky, you might get one sample that is kinda useful. As a South African, you can regard this as our gift to you, if you think that it is our gift. We all live in the world, South Africans benefit from antibiotics found in other countries soils, so why shouldn't you benefit from stuff found in our soils. The pharmaceuticals companies did the grunt here, so they deserve the payoff.

  3. Coming Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...platensimycin-resistant staphylococcus aureus, or PRSA, a virulent superbug.

    1. Re:Coming Soon by Firehed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Super-duper-bug, you mean.

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    2. Re:Coming Soon by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would not bet on that.

      Most Staph strains with antibiotic immunity gain it from a phague infection. While bacteriophagues are very large and complex there is not that much spare room for carry an extra resistance gene on top of what they drag around at the moment. It will most likely have to lose either the penicillin resistance gene or the tissue necrosis toxin gene to accommodate an extra antibiotic group resistance.

      In the first case it can be smacked on the head using conventional penicillin derivatives.

      In the second case the normal immunity mechanisms will take care of it. By the way, it is the necrosis toxins produced by MRSA which make it so dangerous, not the antibiotic resistance as such. They kill tissue around the infected zone before it actually gets infected creating the environment in which staph can trhive. In addition to that none of the immune system cells can traverse this dead zone and get to the staph either.

      This is all IIRC of course, as it has been very long time since I have done something with mol biol and microbiol.

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    3. Re:Coming Soon by aswang · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually, it's more likely that these bacteria have been exchanging plasmids rather than getting indepedently infected by bacteriophages, but it amounts to the same thing.

      All forms of Staph aureus carry the toxin you mention, though, so there's really nothing to prevent you from getting MSSA necrotizing fasciitis.

      And, yes, you pretty much need an intact immune system to successfully fight off infection. We can pump you full of every antibiotic known to man and cause every single bacteria in your system to explode, but without neutrophils and macrophages to clean up the resultant toxic mess, you're likely to eventually go into septic shock, which frequently means an eventual trip to the morgue.

  4. "Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by reporter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For another perspective on this new antibiotic, read the article by "Scientific American".

    Of course, a new antibiotic is never the final word in the war on bacteria. The introduction of this new antibiotic, platensimycin, provides yet another opportunity for bacteria to mutate and to develop defenses against it. Eventually, the bacteria will become resistant to platensimycin.

    What is not known is whether we can continuously develop new antibiotics that kill new antibiotic-resistant strains of germs and that will not kill human cells. As each successive generation of new antibiotics bombards the bacteria and as it adapts to the new medicines, will the bacteria become so powerful that it cannot be killed?

    When will Washington ban the feeding of antibiotics to cattle? I am referring to the use of antibiotics as a food supplement. It is insane.

    1. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by chriso11 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's my view - I think they should use this only in conjunction with one of the few other effective antibiotics. When you use two, then it is much harder for bacteria to develop an immunity to it.

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    2. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've heard mixed reviews on that one, but I'm inclined to agree. It doesn't sound like a good long-term strategy for anything.

    3. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's "bacteriophage therapy" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage_therapy ) which really works (it was successfully used BEFORE the invention of antibiotics) and doesn't produce resistant bacteria.

      Sadly, there's almost no research on this topic.

    4. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by Decker-Mage · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually this has already been covered in medical research done in the late '90's. I was part of the project (statistical model and lab sides) and the team (Dr. Guzek, et. al) discovered that if you use any two of three big guns on MRSA it kills it dead. Apparently those particular sub-strains that are resistant to one antibiotic are not to one of the other two. It didn't matter which of the two you chose, just that you used any two in combination.

      One nice side benefit was I got immunized against this sucker although that did carry some risk as well (experimental vaccine and all). Not that I ever expect to need it, but you never know.

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    5. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by vidarh · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The problem with bacteriophages is that they are extremely specific - for the most part you need to determine the precise strain of a disease, which requires more expensive tests. You then need to fine a bacteriophage that fits that specific strain of bacteria.

      So until we start seeing much more significant resistance to antibiotics they're not likely to be cost effective.

    6. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by Stephen+H-B · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Since resistance to these antibiotics is so prevalent, feeding them to cattle really doesn't matter. Resistance to one antibiotic does not trigger resistance to another.

      I beg to differ. Many families of antibiotics share the same core mode of action, with only a few side-chains different. E.g. the original Penicillin and modern Methicillin are both beta-lactam antibiotics, which attack bacterial cell walls (more specifically, the enzyme that assembles them). Penicillin resistance is due to the bacteria producing a new enzyme (beta-lactamase) which safely inactivates the antibiotic. Current Methicillin resistance has developed gradually, as each new variant of Penicillin is introduced, the enzyme mutates to accomodate it.

      If two antibiotics are similar enough, resistance developed against one can confer resistance against the other. Agricultural use of Avoparcin is widely believed to have led to the development of Vancomycin Resistant Enterrococcus (VRE),

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    7. Re:"Scientific American" Reports on New Antibiotic by Stephen+H-B · · Score: 3, Informative

      To clarify, this is why a new antibiotic 'family' is so sought after. A new mode of action can completely step around existing resistance. PS. I believe Vancomycin (the current drug of last resort for MRSA) attacks bacterial protein synthesis. It also causes renal cytotoxicity (kidney damage) and has a narrow theraputic range (the difference between the minimum effective and maximum safe dose).

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  5. Won't last long.. by zcat_NZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first humans to start using this drug will probably take half of the prescribed course and stop as soon as they're feeling better, thus helping to evolve a new generation of superbug resistant to this 'superantibiotic'

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    1. Re:Won't last long.. by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The first humans to start using this drug will probably take half of the prescribed course and stop as soon as they're feeling better...

      I'm actually hoping that the first humans to start using this drug will be receiving it from an IV bag and will remain anchored to their hospital beds.

      If a patient is carrying a bug that's resistant to all other commonly-used antibiotics, I don't really want them walking about on the street.

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    2. Re:Won't last long.. by aswang · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The thing is, most of us do harbor extremely resistant organisms in our gut and on our skin. For one thing, community-acquired MRSA has a prevalence of upwards of 30% in some communities. But most of us are loaded with things like Actinobacter and Stenotrophomonas which usually aren't bad actors until we get pumped full of antibiotics that wipe out the rest of our normal flora that keep them in check, so that these multi-drug resistant organisms are all that are left floating around in our bloodstream, free to frolic and play.

      Because hospitals are nothing but incubators for antibiotic resistance, physicians actually do their best to try to get their patient out of there as fast as humanly possible, and sometimes this means sending people home with home nursing to get their 14 or 21 or 28 day course of vancomycin instead of sitting around on the ward letting their bacteria exchange plasmids with the bacteria on the other patients, in the walls, crawling all over the equipment, and (probably in the highest concentrations) in the computer keyboards that the hospital staff use.

      But the biggest lesson: don't rely on antibiotics to kill virulent bacteria. The best defense is washing your hands frequently.

  6. Links by MarkByers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whilst your comment seems to be factually correct, more people will read it and take it seriously if you supply a source:

    "Vancomycin and teicoplanin are glycopeptide antibiotics used to treat MRSA infections."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRSA

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancomycin

    Plus you get some free karma for doing it. Always works! :)

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  7. Nature article: antibiotic may never be used by tehanu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An article in the most recent issue of Nature discusses this new antibiotic in more detail - the process by which it was discovered, its nature etc. The article however ends with a discussion that the chances of this antibiotic making it to the market is pretty low. First of all, it has to be tested to make sure it is stable (this apparently is a concern that has already risen in animal tests of the new antibiotic) and non-toxic to humans. However, even if the technical problems are resolved, financial problems - antibiotics are simply not profitable for pharmaceutical companies - may kill it. The reasons for the financial problems apply to antibiotics in general:

    - It is likely that this antibiotic if released into common use will "meet the fate of its predecessors" as bacteria rapidly require resistance to it. So the time span when it will under heavy demand will be short.
    - Regulatory hurdles. "the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not have clear guidelines for approving new antibiotics" meaning the process is even more long and tedious than for normal drugs.
    - Antibiotics are only used for sparingly and only for a week or two.

    A quote:

    But "the next steps are fraught with danger", warns microbiologist Carl Nathan of Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York. "The obstacles are truly formidable."

  8. Re:No need. by MagicDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Viagara was an accident. They were testing phosphodiesterase inhibitors as a therapy for keeping heart vessels open. It didn't work so well, but they discovered the unexpected side effect of opening vessels in the penis when the subjects were reluctant to return their unused pills.

  9. Travel Time by Solokron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Many flock to Africa to eat soil. Contract Malaria.

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  10. MRSA is a big deal... by Bushwuly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work in a residential facility for disabled children with severe/profound mental retardation, and those who had the hardest time were the ones that contracted MRSA. Because these kids had such significant physical problems, they were often in and out of hospitals and would contract the virus while admitted there. Besides the scary fact that this bug is prevalent in hospitals of all places, it is so dangerous and contageous to children that those who contract it have to be kept in isolation.

    Every day I would walk by the isolation ward and look in, just to let the kids know that someone was concerned for them. These children already had the odds stacked against them, and to top it off with the fact those who attended to them had to avoid all physical contact cut me to the heart. How sad is it to be a kid who can never be hugged, having to live without anyone touching them?

    If someone can isolate and develop an antibiotic that can cure MRSA, I'll be one of the first in line to shake their hand.

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  11. Re:A cure you say? by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well actually there is vancomycin resistance out there already... VRE is not normally a problem, but has been shown i am pretty sure to transfer its resistance to MRSA in the lab (ie your VRSA), but it hasnt been seen in the wild (thank $Deity) yet.

    and as with most things in nature, if it can, it will... (or someone will do it for it...)

  12. MRSA treatment already exists by ParanoidCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called Vancomycin, and it's been around for a while. If the pharmacy doesn't stock that, Teicoplanin will also work. Quite honestly, the MRSA is not exactly a superbug. For the most part, these organisms are caught in the hospital - proper handwashing and isolation should prevent most people from evening catching these bugs. The real "superbug" these days is Vancomycin Insensitive Staph Aureus (VISA) - organisms that require concentrations of vancomycin that come close to causing neprotoxicity (kidneys) and ototoxicity (ears) and who knows what else.

    1. Re:MRSA treatment already exists by martinX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or do you mean that the bacteria grow ears and kidneys? That would be sort of cool.

      it's for this reason that it is known as "the mister potato head of the microbial world".

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    2. Re:MRSA treatment already exists by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Funny

      Believe me, I speak from experience - VISA can be a real killer. You should see my credit card balance...

  13. Plenty of Human Volunteers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me if your flesh is being eaten away by an unstoppable bacteria, you're going to be pretty willing to test out a new antibiotic. Sometimes the FDA clinical trials process just isn't sensible.

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    1. Re:Plenty of Human Volunteers by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It seems to me if your flesh is being eaten away by an unstoppable bacteria, you're going to be pretty willing to test out a new antibiotic. Sometimes the FDA clinical trials process just isn't sensible.

      The clinical trials process is there to protect people who are so desperate that they will try anything, sign anything, test anything. The alternative is to have a queue of snake-oil peddlers at the door of every dying person--"My pet theory is that weasel saliva contains powerful natural antimicrobials, so I'd like to put weasels down your pants and encourage them to bite you. It could be your only chance!"

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  14. Re:A cure you say? by protobion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, since Platensimycin inhibits FabF, which is 3-oxo-[acyl carrier protein] synthase II, and vancomycin prevents incorporation of N-acetylmuramic acid and N-acetylglucosamine - peptide subunits from being incorporated into the peptidoglycan matrix; their mechanisms are exclusive. Theoretically, Platensimycin will therefore work on both MRSA and VRSA strains. Practically, strain sensitivities vary , but with the current level of information, one would expect the new drug to be just as effective on VRSA strains.

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  15. Another anti-MRSA agent: Mangosteen by rjamestaylor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Doing research on a fruit, called mangosteen, out of southeast Asia I came across this article on PubMed (via NIH.gov) entitled Antibacterial activity of alpha-mangostin against vancomycin resistant Enterococci (VRE) and synergism with antibiotics . A natural fruit tree fights the toughest bacteria mankind faces; amazing.


    After learning about this fruit and its many documented benefits, I bought into the company that brought it to the market in the US.

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    1. Re:Another anti-MRSA agent: Mangosteen by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doing research on a fruit, called mangosteen

      Genetic engineering has gone too far this time. What kind of sicko crossbred a mango with Bruce Springsteen?

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  16. Re:Another anti-MRSA agent: Mangosteen (new link) by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Informative
    My bad, the MRSA article on PubMed is this one: Activity of medicinal plant extracts against hospital isolates of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. The one I linked to in the parent post was for a similar problematic bacterial strain, but not specifically MRSA. Sorry for the confusion.


    For more information from PubMed on the mangosteen fruit and its benefits, see these articles at PubMed via NIH.gov. Or, go to my website.

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  17. MRSA colonization. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to put a monkey wrench into things, but a substantial proportion of the people reading this are colonized with Staph aureus, and depending upon what part of the world you hail from and your recent medical history, there's a good chance that it's MRSA. If you know a friendly microbiologist, get them to swab your nose. You'd be surprised.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd= Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1653404 7&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum/

    MRSA is typically resistant to beta-lactam antibiotics, including penicillins and cephalosporins. Just because it's resistant does not mean that it's going to eat away at your flesh. Methicillin sensitive strains will do that just as happily, particularly if they produce leukocidins (eg: MRSA strain USA300).

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd= Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1644711 0&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum/

    Calling vancomycin a cure for MRSA is exceedingly short sighted. VRSA/VISA (the I stands for intermediate, not insensitive), is becoming increasingly common in some regions. Topical agents, such as mupirocin or chlorhexidine may help to attenuate nasal and skin carriage (groin, axilla etc), but reports of MuRSA are also beginning to surface. It's an uphill battle.

    My advice? (And yes, I hold a PhD in the field). Avoid contributing to the problem. Don't suck down antibiotics every time you get the sniffles, especially if you don't have to. More importantly, if your doctor insists upon it, don't stop taking the antibiotics the moment you feel better: finish the entire course, as prescribed. Data to associate feedlot/livestock antibiotic supplements and the transmission of resistant pathogens into human populations is scant. Worry first about the factors you can control. Your children will thank you for it.

  18. Re:No need. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How did you spell "phosphodiesterase" correctly and fail at "Viagra"?

  19. Vaccinations for Virulence by Baldrson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The book Plague Time : How Stealth Infections Cause Cancer, Heart Disease, and Other Deadly Ailments by Paul W. Ewald outlines a number of interesting strategies for dealing more effectively with the battle against antibiotic resistance. Basically, if you insist on having a world where international transporters (jets, ships, cars, busses, etc) act like mosquitoes to facilitate human-to-human transmission of disease, you have to resort to some other public health measures so that viruses and bacteria (and parasites) are least capable of winning the evolutionary arms race.

    Among these measures is to target virulence rather than the pathogen itself. The reason is that a species of pathogen can have varying virulence and you want the last virulent to win the competition for the ecological niche (human body). Ewald gives an example of a particular protein used by a bacteria to convert human lung tissue to useful food -- a protein that costs the bacteria about 5% of its budget but has huge returns. Vaccinating against this protein can let the more benign variants beat out the virulent variants for the lungs of humans, and give the human immune system the kick it needs to construct antibodies to suppress further infection.

  20. Re:A cure you say? by Rand0m1 · · Score: 2, Funny
    While Vancomycin is a wonderful drug and quite successful against MRSA, it is not a panacea, nor applicable for all people. Just as some people are allergic to Penicillin, some are allergic to vanco and don't have the ability to partake in its protection.

    For people with chronic lung disease, like cystic fibrosis, who experience repeated pneumonias and infection with the like of MRSA and Pseudomonas aeruginosa, the addition of another antibiotic to the team of vanco and linezolid can literally be a life saver.

    Given the life and death reality of our reliance on antibiotics, I'd never classify any bacteria as "no problem." That perspective more than whispers at a superiority complex that could be demolished by the mutation of a tiny little bug. As for me, I'll continue to use them only when necessary and appropriate, and will always finish my prescription!

  21. Re:No need. by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly he was trying to get it past your spam filters.

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  22. So? by RandomPrecision · · Score: 4, Funny

    This isn't newsworthy to me. I don't get viruses - I use Linux.

    *ducks*

  23. So true.... by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't imagine how close you're to the truth.

    The S. Aureus is a bacteria that lives on the skin and is harmless most of the time. I said "most", because the bugs is really nasty in some specific area :
    - intensive care : patients aren't in good shape, and the bug tries to enter into them. (Some strains are very good at crawling along needles of perfusion)
    - surgery : the few specimens that survived the disinfection may try to jump into the wound. Bones (like after an accident) are an example.of wound that aren't very well protected against infection (among other reasons : lower blood flow compared to other organs and thus harder to bring white blood cells and antibodies).

    Because it lives on the skin surface they can realy easily travel from one individual to another, just by plain skin contact (think handshaking or on object that everyone touch). And because they're harmless most of the time, there are no symptoms (the carrier isn't sick) and they can travel unnoticed until they reach one critical patient.

    So the only patient that is feeling realy bad is the one at the end of the chain (the one in critical care). Among the chain, there's a lot of people who aren't sick (and don't give a fuck about it) and (mostly healthy) people that may have minor skin wounds (requiring some treatement) but don't follow their treatment as they should (because they feel well).

    And that's one reason why bacteria are exposed to sub-lethal doses of antibiotics, some of them surviving better, and evolution (huh... sorry... Intelligent Design) doing it's job and making better superbugs.

    Note: other reasons appart from bad usage of antibiotics are :
    - Moronic prescrition / Pharmaceutical over-hyping : Doctor hears that superbugs are common. Doctors hears about (=gets brainwashed by marketing departement) new superdrug that kills superbug. Doctor start prescribing superdrug for *EVERY SINGLE CASE*, even when not needed. Superbugs become Hyperbugs. repeat ad nauseam.
    That's why method are developped to help determine when and what drug is needed. As a student a worked in such a lab.
    - Industrial agriculture : Some huge agricultural corporation do very stupid things which all end up with environnement becoming polluted with antibiotics and resistant bacteria appearing "in the wild" due to exposition to sub-lethal doses.

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  24. Get a grip, people by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MRSA is a variant of common-or-garden Staph that is resistant to most antibiotics. It's not, however, resistant to soap and hot water.

    The problem is that antibiotics are being badly misused. After about three days on penicillin, with two days to go, you start feeling OK again. Now, at this point, you may be tempted to stop taking the stuff. That is the worst thing you can do. Your immune system has recovered a bit, and is now just about strong enough to fight off the bacteria. However, unless you can be sure that you have killed every last one of the germs, there is still a chance that they might breed. And the ones that survived the onslaught of penicillin are going to pass on the "double-hard bastard" gene to their own offspring. So you need to complete the course, using your own recovered immune system with penicillin as backup, in order to deal with the superbugs.

    People failing to finish courses of antibiotics are costing the National Health Service {and by extension the taxpayer} money. In fact, penicillin {or the artificially-manufactured equivalent, Amoxil} isn't used so much anymore because there are resistant strains of so many bacteria. My cruel side thinks it's a shame you can't ROLLBACK a medical treatment and leave people sick if they don't complete the treatment properly .....

    On the other side of the coin, if you keep taking penicillin for too long, your immune system will eventually stop trying so hard {and again you'll be breeding penicillin-resistant bugs}. Plus, the stuff isn't any respector of the essential bacteria in your body. Too many antibiotics passing through your system might even kill some of the essential bacteria in your septic tank, causing it to smell and making you unpopular with the neighbours.

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    Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  25. Re:Plenty of Human Volunteers [Count me out] by CrankyOldBastard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have to stress how lucky you are. I got a MRSA infection in 1997, following a Bankart Repair (shoulder surgery). Initial tests indicated that Ciproxin would work - but it didnt, as we found after trying it for a few weeks. I can't remember what the final antibiotic was - but it wasnt Vancomycin.

    A lot of ignorant people are saying "MRSA is no big deal, vancomycin cures it". Well in my case there was no way that a dose of vancomycin strong enough to get MRSA out of my clavicle, scapula and humerus wasn't going to do some pretty major damage to me. There was a shortage of beds in Intensive Care as well, so it was decided to treat me with some other drug - I was so sick by that time that it's kinda patchy (such as my not remembering exactly what antibiotic cured me), but I recall being told that they were going to treat me with this stuff for 10 days, and hopefully it would work, as it was the ONLY antiobiotic besides vancomycin that my strain would respond to. I was told that if I took this medicine for 14 days it would kill me by shutting down my liver.

    After 10 days I was a delightful dayglo yellow colour, but the bug had died. Meanwhile I have to live with the aftermath of septic arthritis, osteomyelitis and periperal neuritis. In practical terms this means my shoulder had the cartlidges (sp?) eaten away and the bone surfaces have an interesting "finish" where they grind together when I move my arm. The nerves that pass through my shoulder were damaged by both the infection and the antibiotic, and I have constant pain which feels kinda like a permanantly dislocating shoulder. I take a lot of oxycodone, and as a result dont crap real well. Every 6 weeks I get a nerve block which gives me a few days (typically 3 to 5) with much lower pain. Getting these injections into the brachial plexus so often carries a real risk of further infection or nerve damage though.

    It's the only time I've ever got a letter from a pathologist, as when they did the tests that finally found what antibiotics would work I got a letter in red ink from them saying "See your doctor NOW as you have a LETHAL INFECTION". By that time I had acquired the delightful aroma of rotting meat - leave a raw shoulder roast out in the sun for a few weeks - that was the smell 8 inches from my nose.

    I was having the wound scraped clean twice a day, with it being packed with all sorts of things to try to help the wound drain. There was a hole through my shoulder - it was possible to slide a 5mm diameter glass rod from the top of my shoulder, through the center of what used to be a synovial capsule and out the other hole in my armpit.

    So don't trivialise MRSA - it's really impacted on my life, apart from nearly killing me. And don't trivialise vancomycin, unless you consider potential organ failure as trivial. MRSA and vancomycin are both very nasty stuff.

  26. I can't stand it. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've met people who have held up bottles of pills and said stuff like, "Wow! These are great anti-biotics. They made me better so fast! I'm going to save the rest of these because they're so good. I want to have them around for when I get sick again. --Which I probably will in a few weeks. I hate the cold season."

    And similar.

    In that particular case, I sat the individual down and explained how anti-biotics work and the importance of finishing ALL the medication. He nodded and seemed to understand, and then said, "Yeah, well, I'm going to save the rest of these pills for when I get sick again in a few weeks. I hate the cold season."

    It's at times like those when I feel strongly compelled to get on a rocket ship and nuke the planet from orbit.


    -FL

  27. Other new (possible) targets by NilesDonegan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do research on Staph. It's frustrating to everyone doing this work that in 50 years, we have really just a handful of targets in bacteria to attack. Here are our targets and some examples of the antibiotics we use

    1) DNA replication/Gyrase (cipro)
    2) RNA synthesis (rifampin)
    3) folate metabolism (sulfa drugs)
    4) Protein synthesis (erythromycin, chloramphenicol, linezolid)
    5) cell wall (penicillin, vancomycin)

    What's great about this this new drug from Merck is that it's target isn't on the list above. It's a new target (fatty acid metabolism) and it's well tolerated by mammals.

    But it's not the only new one out there. Check out these papers on:

    a) targeting the proteolytic machinery of bacteria, i.e. clp proteases
    Brötz-Oesterhelt, H. et al. Dysregulation of bacterial proteolytic machinery by a new class of antibiotics. Nature Med. 11, 1082-1087 (2005)
    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v11/n10/abs/nm130 6.html

    and

    b) targeting Holliday junctions, i.e. how DNA recombines
    Gunderson Carl and Segall Anca, 2006. DNA repair, a novel antibacterial target: Holliday junction-trapping peptides induce DNA damage and chromosome segregation defects. Mol. Micro. 59 (4), 1129-1148.
    http://segall-lab.com/PDF/Gunderson2006.pdf

    And don't forget to wash your hands! Make a researcher happy and save the drugs for another day!