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Yahoo! Launches YouTube Competitor
prostoalex writes "Yahoo! launched Yahoo! Video last night, allowing users to upload, share and tag their videos. For Windows users the player uses the standard Yahoo! Player, while Mac and Linux users get video encoded in Flash. Yahoo! joins a highly competitive field of video services currently led by MSN Video, YouTube and Google Video. The Associated Press reports on the Yahoo! Video launch as well."
When the hell did that come about?
Honsetly... I've only heard of Google and YouTube so far.
I can't see a way to download the videos to you HD, at least not on the one that I tried, I like google video because at least then you can download it and not have to constantly stream from the net; also then you can use mplayer.
*''I can't believe it's not a hyperlink.''
Is there ANY market segment where Yahoo! isn't playing second-fiddle to somebody else?
If you haven't foed me yet, what are you waiting for?
More bandwidth-sapping media for the Net I guess.... :P
Solve the email spam problem first so there will be bandwidth and storage to 'spare' first....
Seriously. Yahoo isn't doing this to earn money. They know video online is already crowded to the lid, they are only doing this to over crowd the market so nobody will have a strong hold of the market.
Good business sense, but does nothing for customers, we already have more then enough choices, more only pollute this field in my opinion
So, do Linux users get the video encoded in a Flash object that requires Flash 8, like many Flash videos seem to require nowadays, but which isn't actually available for Linux? Hooray for proprietary software!
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
Is it me, or does the safe-search filter look alot like gmails' preference page?
(alot of porn in results when searching for 'sex'. This might make it more popular then the other video-indexing services.)
I mean, on what area should one compete with them?
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YouTube will continue it's dominance until one of two things happen: a) YouTube actually starts moderating and deleting it's illegal content or b) YouTube starts making money. If they get rid of all their illegal content, half of their userbase is pretty much gone, including me. It's pretty nice to be able to watch episodes of South Park and Aqua Teen Hunger Force, among hundreds of other shows. If they start making money, then production studios and the MPAA are going to want a piece of it and start spitting out law suits and cease and desist orders until the site is FORCED to delete half it's content, run 120% more ads to cover legal fees, and it's subscriber base falls to nothing.
I've actually been using their video search for sometime now and really like it. It's much superior to Google's video crap and I really hate surfing through tons of sites I've never heard of to figure out which ones have caught on enough to have decent content.
Yahoo! just gives me what I need without the hassle. And Yahoo! has such a strong user base for things well beyond Video that they'll attract far more content than most of the niche competition sites.
BTW, it does ALOT for Yahoo!'s customers. It's keeping me from going all Google and that's a huge part of why they're doing it in the first place.
Loaded up a few vids.. all they do is point to ANOTHER site... what is the point of this service then?
It seems everytime you turn around to view someone's video, there's a requirement for yet another proprietary codec. If Yahoo would allow the videos to be uploaded/downloaded in a standard format (like mpeg4 or quicktime) rather than yet another oddball format (yahoo video? WTF?), then they might have something.
No more oddball codecs for me. No WMP either. M$ can keep their DRM and stick it. And I have banned Flash from my system as well.
When all else fails, run.
this is the same as http://video.search.yahoo.com/ which I've had bookmarked for months already.
-- Boycott Shell
Vimeo is really the only video sharing service that doesn't look like it took a page out of myspace's design book, i.e. it doesn't look horrible, like youtube, yahoo pages etc. I mean, come on, Yahoo even looks identical in its colorscheme to myspace. I mean, they have the flickr team behind them now! How can they let something this awful in appearance come out of their shop?
Google, CNET, YouTube and now Yahoo: they all use Flash as their video player, as well as thousands of other big news and entertainment sites.
Who would've thought that Flash will become the most popular vehicle for delivering video on the Internet?
All of a sudden, the EU's ruling that media player competition does not stand a chance because of the WMP built into Windows seems overexaggerated (not that it wasn't overexaggerated before..).
The scary part about Yahoo's video site upon further inspection, is that they're actually hotlinking a lot of those videos to the originating site, instead of being hosted locally by Yahoo. So they're "stealing" that site's bandwidth while not giving them any ad revenue by sending you to their site instead. This issue of hotlinking images is definitely in the grey area of legality, but now imagine it on the scale of Yahoo popularity, and with videos so the amount of bandwidth used skyrockets. It's definitely morally wrong.
Youtube probably isn't as cooperative with the Chinese government as we know Yahoo is.
There's another video site called Blit.tv. The difference? They promise to offer their video encoded with a Free and open codec.
Go to Keepvid.com They may not have Yahoo!Video support yet but I'm sure they will soon since they already support downloads for YouTube, GoogleVideo, iFilm, Break, FindVideos, etc. etc.
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YouTube is reportedly losing money as fast as the average dotcom in 2000. Over $1M/month now and climbing. Someone's got to find a way to monetize these services if they're going to be viable. What does Yahoo bring to this, to make it sustainable? Advertisements worth watching?
I keep reading bloggers talking about wanting net neutrality so they can have all of these nifty videos, but none of them have any idea how to monetize the services necessary to support online video applications. Take Instapundit, if Instapundit delivered a video to half of its readers a day, it would probably go through about a quarter to half a terabyte of bandwidth everyday.
What I would like to know is if there really is any money in the "amateur hour" video market. If there isn't, these services will quickly give way to professionally done content, be it from independent artists or major groups.
YahooVideo very helpfully detects the OS/browser and picks an "appropriate" playback mechanism. For Linux users, this means it picks Flash8 (as the article says).
Damned shame that THERE IS NO FLASH8 FOR LINUX, BONEHEADS! Give me a goddamned preference, mplayer-plugin WILL play Windows media with appropriate codecs installed, so LET ME CHOSE!
Never mind. The whole thing is out of date already anyway. With Linux broadcatching apps like Democracy Player and KatchTV and Penguin TV, there's really no need to look at those sites again. Just run an app, and choose a show to watch :)
Does this one allow porn?
Internet businesses usually have big problems with getting enough marketshare to be sucessful (making money). Google ran for a few years without making any money, and there's a lot of other high profile internet companies which are doing the same even now. Vonage is fighting court battles, isps, and general apathy for voip to try to turn a dollar, and they're still losing big. YouTube is also losing money so far. Of course Yahoo makes money from their portal, search engine, email, etc... but they are looking to be overrun by google, especially when Google has a huge video section. It's clear that they have already lost the video battle, but they must compete to keep from losing other sections of their market (almost all of which are in direct competition with google).
Ok, I'm done, go back to flaming people who actually understand internet economics.
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Take movie URL, for example - http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=a2be3e951f3f 19e690b3500ed2fe19dc.477060.
Note down the nodeID (i.e 477060). Use curl to download the playlist path.
Decode the URL or even better just pull out the SID from the url.
Change URL to mmsh:// and use xine to play it or mplayer -dumpstream to save it.
Now, I could write a greasemonkey script to do all of that easily and give you a 'click to play in mplayer' link. But there's this thing about me, I'm lazy.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
The current Yahoo video site has a major difference:
It searches the entire web for videos, not just community uploaded videos. I just searched for a video and got directed to a semi-porn site for that video.
Youtube and Google are quite different in the sense that
1. Only user uploaded videos are available, its not just a web video search
2. The video plays within the site, using Flash. No such thing on Yahoo, the whole video experience sucks
Ok, I don't expect to be hired by Yahoo!'s marketing department ...
Come on Yahoo, to compete with the others, you need to offer something they don't do.
:-)
It is time to unlock the holy grail of video broadcasting.
The unfailing solution.
It is time to allow porn uploads!
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Even though the main bulk of the browser window is eaten awaying by an expected Flash plugin, you still have the option to download a real video. This is the most fustrating thing about YouTube and Yahoo; they _require_ Flash to view the content. I'm not installing Flash for a variety of reasons. I never really understood why some people cling onto Flash as if its the savior, the only thing that it seemed to be good for was annoying people and advertisement.
I don't like the idea of using subdomains to host large projects compare video.yahoo.com auctions.yahoo.com....to youtube.com ebay.com. I think yahoo would have alot more success if they made their services have both an internal and external prescense.
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I know I am weird but - I actually don't want the illegal content. I can find commercial programming on television.
The reason I go to youtube is precisely to see user generated "grassroots" content.
No, it's not generally fine art, but it is often funny and interesting. It's what the internet is all about.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
Flickr is excellent.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
Not after losing over 7 years worth of Yahoo mail without a trace. I will never trust them.
...that they'd call it YAHOOTUBE.
They didn't. Bastards.
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there are more site than just those there are http://www.stickam.com/, http://vsocial.com/, http://www.gofish.com/ http://grouper.comhttp//www.blip.tv/, http://eyespot.com/, http://www.bolt.com/, http://jumpcut.com/, http://ourmedia.org/, http://revver.com/ http://vimeo.com/, http://www.videoegg.com/, http://clipshack.com/, http://www.dailymotion.com/, http://castpost.com/, http://www.blinkx.com/ now what do u say about google video, youtube and the new yahoo one i say there is plent of them ou there for competitions tell us what one you like and if you thnk any of them compair to the three in the artical
AOL's UnCut Video? It launched a few weeks ago
http://communityvideo.aol.com/Main.do/
Youtube is hacked lmfao it says: [youtube logo] ALL YOUR VIDEO ARE BELONG TO US.
Yahoo! still can't seem to get with the program of that of Google Video or YouTube.
Yahoo! is still using old-and-busted technology that is only avaiable for one operating system. GV and YT use Flash as the medium of choice. It can be accessable on Macintosh, Unix, and Linux operating systems. Windows Video may be avaiable, but the codecs are separate, and a real hassle to install if you have Unix or Linux.
Yahoo! fails to deliver video as it does with LaunchCast to the growing number of people who are no longer using any of Microsoft's Windows products including Internet Explorer, Windows Media, and Microsoft Antivirus (which lets in more spyware than it keeps out).
Bottom line, I'll use something else before I use this cookie cutter mainstream stuff. Give me the many alternatives instead.
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It is irrelevant. The real question is when this guy will start supporting yahoo downloads?
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For all the enthralled claims that Google is taking over the intarweb, this company is surviving on one, and one product only.
Search.
That's it. GMail, GVideo, GTalk or GPortal are all neat projects that are barely registering as blips on their revenue bottom line (There's a good chance some or all of the above products are actually in the red.)
Until Google conclusively diversifies its revenue streams, they're not going to be running over anyone.
As it is, with blind studies showing yahoo search results to be at least as relevant as google search results, the only thing keeping the dream (and the stock price) afloat is their powerful branding.
They have folks like you to thank for that.