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Fedora Core 5 Re-spins Available
Lxy writes "The Fedora Community released re-spins of Fedora Core 5 last Thursday. What's a respin you ask? To put it simply, all the latest updates have been patched into the install CDs, eliminating the need for a long download process after installing. You can read the press release here and of course nab the torrents here."
Now, instead of downloading up-to-the-minute patches after I install, I can download up-to-the-week ISOs before I install! That means rather than an additional 50-100MB, I get to download an entire 4GB DVD image.
Hold on a minute....
Perhaps they should have named it "Chapeau (Dub Remix)".
It's Fedora Core! The *wikkiwikkiwikki* REMIX!
*cue Puff Daddy dancing around like his pants are falling off*
Now, I understand that testers aren't their primary audience, that building the ISO images & setting up the installers is not always a trivial task, and that the development files change frequently enough that large updates are almost inevitable without an automated ISO build script, so I am not saying that they "should" build such images - merely that it would be very handy for some of us if they did.
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Fedora core being the gigantic beast that it is, why isn't there a push towards network installation ? For those few that will install linux on a whole bunch of PC's the ISOs are ok, though a "Jigdo"-style custom ISO might be better, but for people like me who install once and use it for months without reinstalling, a small net-based launcher would be great as I could download only the bits I need. This is what I do for Debian and of course Gentoo and I think it's great, but for Fedora this is considered a hack and tends to break things.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
From what I can tell, they've only produced respins of the DVD images. So if you don't have a DVD burner, or if you need to install on machines that only have CD players, you'll still need to download 2 months' worth of updates.
Here's some more places you can get Fedora with security updates conveniently added on:
* Click here
* or here
* or here
* and finally, here (Plenty of servers, so best performance!).
HTH!
Debian & Redhat/Fedora always have the kludge piled on & needing the extra loads of patches...
i wont tell you my favorite distro, but it is supported and does not get the problems these high profile distros get...
A Lesser person would be questioning your parentage , current IQ and Smoking habits but
/usr/src/linux for "redhat")
lets see
1 the RPM Format (hint its called in full RedHat Package Manager)
2 large sections of kernel code (hint grep
3 employment for Allan Cox (one of the senior kernel people (in fact i think the 2.4 tree has a AC branch))
4 large chunks of money
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What the hell has Red Hat ever done for the Linux community?
What, aside from from contributions to the kernel, employing Linux developers (Alan Cox, anyone?) pushing the development of the ext3 filesystem... Grab the latest kernel source and grep -r for @redhat.com -- you might be surprised.
Oh, sorry, you didn't actually want an answer to that, did you?
"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
I remember FC4 and some genius took it upon himself to release new CDs with all updates applied. It was then known as FC4.1 and later FC4.2 if I recall correctly. I was kinda looking for a FC5.1 but the "Respin" is a much nicer deal especially since it's more or less a 'blessed' activity.
I have FC5 installed on several machines and I almost never "upgrade" from a previous version although I might do that with my network server box... still undecided. But using the same FC5 DVD to install and then let it run for hours to update is a pretty lengthy process.... one worthy of a nap. But while I've got torrents streaming down, I wouldn't mind adding this one to keep my current version up to date. I just wonder how I missed the announcement...
The Greeks made most of the progress in all of these centuries before the Romans came... The Romans only inherited them.
(Note I am not arguing they didn't even exist other places first - such as Babylon, Egypt, and China, which many most certainly did)
Maybe you should look at http://sources.redhat.com/.
OTOH, I agree with you somewhat. There's no fucking way I'm doing beta testing for RedHat after they pulled the old bait and switch on the Linux community. ("Oh, did you like your supported free version of our OS? Well guess what? It's gone, sucker. Oh, but you can do our beta testing for us by running our unstable bleeding-edge version.")
Regardless, RedHat has done a HELL of a lot for the Linux community, and for the FOSS community in general. Even Cygwin is a redhat project these days.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Every time RedHat is discussed here, some bozo makes a comment like the one you just refuted. I guess the rule here is that if anyone makes any money from open-source software, they become, by definition, a "parasite" on the community. I'm sorry, but I don't object to the fact that Red Hat has managed to create a business from Linux and other OSS products; in fact, I've encouraged people to own their stock. Good for them. I've used every RedHat version from 4.0-9.0 and Fedora Core 1-5 at some time or other (and a couple of WhiteBox and CentOS respins as well). Sure there are things about these distributions that bother me (the over-emphasis of Gnome, for instance), but not the fact that Red Hat has succeeded as a business.
Usually these comments sound like sour grapes to me.
that building the ISO images & setting up the installers is not always a trivial task
Any idea what that is? It sounds like a misfeature to me if you can't do 'make iso'. That seems like a reasonable target for automation.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
This is not Fedora Core 5, but an incremental release?
Oh I know, let's do what makes sense and call it Fedora Core 5.1 to eliminate confusion and avoid compatibility issues down the road, and potential security holes when the sysadmin grabs the wrong Fedora Core 5.0 DVD.
Oh right, that makes too much sense.
Seriously, now, why didn't they just announce Fedora Core 5.1, or at least 5.0.1?
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Not to mention RPM (Redhat Package Manager). yeah, Redhat has contributed absolutely nothing to the Linux community at large. *rolls eyes*
They've contributed a great deal, including working with vendors to contribute various drivers to the kernel and x, contributed patches to the kernel, and early on an easy-to-use installer (when everyone else's installer was still purely text-based). That doesn't mean I despise Redhat any less (I hate their disorganized desktop and also the fact that they cut off the desktop distribution years ago), but any reasonable person has to admit that Redhat has contributed a lot of good work to the various Linux projects and deserves gratitude and/or respect for their work.
The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
This seems misleading, since both links go to some unofficial site. Not that "unofficial" is necessarily bad, but I have no idea who these dudes are.
-Peter
It would be great if someone created a burn of FC with all the stuff you add in later anyway, like java, mp3 support, mplayer, etc.
And put the "install everything" option back in.
Current modern distros are just too whopper big to deal with on dialup. If you miss the first week or so before you get the snail mail disks, you are stuck every day downloading and patching some huge amount, this way you can can at least wait a bit, let the first month of patches go out (always large once a LOT more people are running the release and finding the gotchas and figuring out the work arounds, THEN get your disks and start patching/updating. Just when you finally get your personal "stable" release all fully patched and tweaked and customized, WHAM, the next "new" one comes out.
So, what would be even *better* is end of release cycle fully updated and patched ISOs! I would love those! Once it drops into "extreme critical patches only" territory, until that runs out, (fedora legacy in this case) you can just get the now truly stable release and run it and have just a minimum amount of patching/downloading/updating. My workarond for this so far has been to just skip every other release, purely from the huge amount of downloading I can avoid.
Go to the A/V closet, get a TV and a DVD player, and watch 'Life of Brian' repeatedly.
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trhe trolls come out. I must say, the heads at RedHat at bigger men than I. The very people they are trying to help (While making money for their business of course) shout them down every chance they get with FUD, I might have called it quits and lived out my life in quiet retirement hacking away on my own. Pity really.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
Why they didn't use a sane name - update, service pack (ungh!) etc. - is beyond me. The fact that the article needed to explain what re-spin meant is a bad sign.
Its a great idea, but it would make a world of a difference if they used names that were obvious. You know where I'm going with this, so I'll stop.
You've never had to maintain real production systems before have you? I believe that others have answered your question as to what RedHat has done for the community. You may want to ask yourself the same question. Since you sound like a Gentoo Ricer to me, I just want to share my recent "emerge" experiences. I had the dubious honor of admining/updating a Gentoo system for a friend the other day. After hearing all the GFanbois going on and on about emerge, I was looking forward to "taking it for a spin" so to speak. Server Specs Dual PIII 1.4 GHz 1GB RAM HW SCSI RAID 5 ARRAY So after reading the Gentoo Emerge man and website I began my journey... First thing I ran into after I did a emerge --sync && emerge update was blocking packages. So I had to unmerge the blocking packages. Repeat this a few times and I was ready to go. emerge world... Went to bed, expecting a fresh updated system... No, I get errors about needing USE flags set to properly install some of the packages. OK a little more research and reading I update /etc/make.conf with the appropriate flags. Ran emerge oneshot on the dep package, and then ran emerge world again... went to work, came home expecting a fresh updated system.... Oops missing more USE flags... Fixed the problem... and fixed another one again...
So then I tried to install a so called "webapp": phpmyadmin Oops I can't install it properly because the webapp-config file is not correct... It turns out that from the time the system was originally installed and when I updated it the "webapp-config" app was re-written in Python from Bash, and emerge didn't notify me that I needed to do anything regarding this file, so after MORE research I fixed that issue, and then had to look forward to etc-config'ing over 137 changed etc files.... Boy that was fun...
So almost 48 hours later I had a fresh updated Gentoo box...
My opinion is this: emerge has many of the same issues that ANY other package management system has, it solves some of the problems that RPM and DEBS have but also has many problems of its own. Plus, on older systems it takes forever to compile and update everything for a negligable speed benefit... I'll take apt-get/yum/up2date any day over emerge for real production systems.
I was disappointed to see that only the i386 and x86_64 FC5 sets were respun. When official updates are made by Fedora itself, they include new packages for all supported platforms. However, the Fedora "Unity Project" respins, they don't really seem to have unity in mind. :) I personally don't care as I've stopped downloading the 5 ISO sets in favor of installing from a rescue CD.
Sorry about the formatting... That's what I get for not hitting preview....
/etc/make.conf with the appropriate flags. Ran emerge oneshot on the dep package, and then ran emerge world again... went to work, came home expecting a fresh updated system.... Oops missing more USE flags... Fixed the problem... and fixed another one again... So then I tried to install a so called "webapp": phpmyadmin. Oops again! I can't install it properly because the webapp-config file is not correct... It turns out that from the time the system was originally installed and when I updated it the "webapp-config" app was re-written in Python from Bash, and emerge didn't notify me that I needed to do anything regarding this file, so after MORE research I fixed that issue, and then had to look forward to etc-config'ing over 137 changed etc files.... Boy that was fun...
You've never had to maintain real production systems before have you? I believe that others have answered your question as to what RedHat has done for the community. You may want to ask yourself the same question.
Since you sound like a Gentoo Ricer to me, I just want to share my recent "emerge" experiences. I had the dubious honor of admining/updating a Gentoo system for a friend the other day. After hearing all the GFanbois going on and on about emerge, I was looking forward to "taking it for a spin" so to speak.
Server Specs
Dual PIII 1.4 GHz
1GB RAM
HW SCSI RAID 5 ARRAY
Not sexy in any sense, but not uncommon either in production environments. So after reading the Gentoo Emerge man and website I began my journey...
First thing I ran into after I did a emerge --sync && emerge update was blocking packages. So I had to unmerge the blocking packages. Repeat this a few times and I was ready to go. emerge world... Went to bed, expecting a fresh updated system... No, I get errors about needing USE flags set to properly install some of the packages. OK a little more research and reading I update
So almost 48 hours later I had a fresh updated Gentoo box...
My opinion is this: emerge has many of the same issues that ANY other package management system has, it solves some of the problems that RPM and DEBS have but also has many problems of its own. Plus, on older systems it takes forever to compile and update everything for a negligable speed benefit... I'll take apt-get/yum/up2date any day over emerge for real production systems.
Gentoo is probably great for desktops on boxes that have lots of glowing lights, see-through panels and Type-R stickers, but probably not so great in production...
After a couple of frustrating days and a lot of reading I had enough of a handle on Gentoo to run it well on a slow box (little VIA CPU fanless system smaller than mini-ITX) but I still wouln't be game to run it on a production system without a lot more practice - so many things are done differently. I liked the way early versions of slackware did updates from source better - but emerge makes more sense with a high bandwidth link and a frequently changing package set. What emerge is doing is attempting to solve a hard problem - getting all the dependencies of packages in development and compiling them while slackware had a lot of time between releases. The last time I installed phpadmin on a fresh Fedora4 install it wasn't straightforward either - it required a few specific things at unexpected version numbers. I can see how a gentoo install with newer incompatible versions of some packages on there would make a mess, the same thing would have happened to me on Fedora4 if I had not chosen specific packages after reading the documentation.
What it really comes down to is some things are not packaged well - and when that creates a mess in an unfamiliar system it is very annoying.
I directly caused this, by finally getting around to installing Core 5 on the weekend and downloading 271 updates over about 36 hours on my slow home connection.
I assume it was only possible to release the re-spin after I had gone through the hassle of yum updating a couple of hundred packages, in the same way that I cause stock markets to drop by buying shares...
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It's great for job security though.
I've been running Fedora since FC1, and Rehat before that since 7.0, and you know what? Fedora's been more stable than RH 7.x, 8.x, and 9.0, My server's never run better.
The Bleeding edge is not unstable in Fedora, infact the packagers work very hard to make it stable before release, and they've done a fantastic job.
As for support, I never had to call Redhat before, why should I have to call them now? There's an irc channel to get support, and mailing lists. Infact, most of what I've needed I've found not from those resources, but from non-fedora project resources, particularly when I was running RH 7.x, 8.x, and 9.0.
With the Fedora-unity project now, I can get the re-spins, but I can also get help with many things as well from fedorasolved.org, and fedorasearch.org, and the other sites that are available with information and usable instructions.
"1 the RPM Format (hint its called in full RedHat Package Manager)" I don't think they did anyone any favors there.
Does anyone else think it is sad, that they had enough bug fixes and updates to even warrant creating a "Respin" cd? That would lead me to believe that it was ready when they released it to begin with.