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VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch

feminazi writes "Jeff Boles attributes VMWare's dominance over Microsoft in the virtualization market to a combination of product depth and focus, but especially to the fact that 'VMWare is actually delivering Microsoft's product in the way that Microsoft should be delivering it.' The ease of GUI but with those enterprise-ready traits that Microsoft is still struggling with: application separation, and decent resource utilization."

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  1. VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Cromac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today VMWare is eating Microsofts lunch, it's easier to use and performs better. But discounting MS would be a tragic mistake, this wouldn't be the first field MS entered late only to dominate later on. With their size, cash and market if MS wants to own the VM market on Windows eventually they will.

    1. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by TheShadowHawk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah I guess that is why hotmail just shits all over gmail :)

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    2. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Yeah I guess that is why hotmail just shits all over gmail :)

      And MSN search vomits chairs at Google search.

    3. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Ougarou · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If I would no anything about Windows (and I don't) I'd say they can easily start to beat VMWare using special kernel hooks.

      The bottom line is, they can probably make things better the VMWare ever will be able to do. Simply because they can even change parts of the kernel if needed. VMWare won't be able to compete with something like a sort of coWindows system, right? And that is what MS can build and VMWare simply can't. (coWindows as in coLinux)

    4. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by winkydink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In terms of users who regularly use the service, Microsoft has almost an order of magnitude more users of Hotmail than Gmail has.... Somethign like 47 million vs 5 million (note: this is users who use the service on a regular basis, not total subscribers)

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    5. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Daedone · · Score: 5, Informative

      And Gmail is still invite-only.

      Not completely.

      https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1

    6. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>Yeah I guess that is why hotmail just shits all over gmail :)
      >And MSN search vomits chairs at Google search.

      I think the big difference being, neither of these things is part of the operating system. Microsoft owns the desktop and has a pretty solid portion of the server... any time they feel the need to enter and dominate a market that is based in Windows itself, they tend to be rather successful at it.

      I personally wouldn't be terribly surprised to see VMWare continue to win for now, but as time goes on to see Microsoft insinuate itself more and more until it pushes VMWare out.

      Not that I want this, mind you, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen.

    7. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by wharlie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think one of the reasons MS is not competitive with VMWare is because VMWare actually benefits MS.
      Since we introduced VMWare in our enterprise the number of MS virtual machines has skyrocketed.
      Before if someone wanted a new MS server we had to purchase HW to run it on which is expensive and time consuming, where talking weeks to order and install.
      Now we can provision a new MS virtual server in about 30 mins.
      Once upon a time we would have tried to consolidate apps on physical servers to conserve HW, now each app gets it own VM, no more associability probs.
      MS is getting paid for all these new virtual servers that would not have existed.
      I'd say that VMware is not eating MS but feeding MS

    8. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Jay+Carlson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sad because I don't have modpoints today. That's the funniest thing I've seen in months. I'm still giggling five minutes later.

      But just try to explain it to outsiders.

      "See, Microsoft had this little problem with the transition of hotmail to NT...the server smelled funny so they put it back...uh, so there's this fierce rivalry between Microsoft and Google...lawsuits...uh...developers! developers! developers!"

      Yet another reason why Linux weenies aren't headlining the comedy tours this summer.

    9. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Informative

      unfortunately they don't allow this method from the UK...

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    10. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by steve+buttgereit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I once was hired to record Novell's "Brain Share" users conference back in the early 90s. One of the speakers actually said in one of the sessions that, (paraphrasing a bit) "We've reached a point where Microsoft has conceded the network server space to us just as we don't try to challenge them on the desktop." What the speaker was implying was that Novell and Microsoft had found a way to co-exist. He said it so convincingly I can't help to think to this day that the poor guy actually believed it... and that may well have been why Novell is where it's at today rather than the dominant postition they had at the time in PC networking.

    11. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, that's nice. However, there is a whole world outside the borders of the few countries that are supported.
      And I'm in it.

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    12. Re: VMWare Eats Microsoft's Lunch by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, VMWare is eating Microsoft's lunch (via VirtualPC), but it's then passing on some of the nutrients. Kinda.

      I'd better stop pursuing that analogy, there's a bad mental image coming up.

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  2. I have a choice and I choose VMWare by Wiseleo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    VMWare is easier to use.

    Windows does not require reactivation when the image is opened in VMWare Server, Player, or Workstation. VPC images of demo configurations featuring pre-activated Windows that I get from Microsoft and attempt to run under Virtual Server require reactivation.

    VMWare Workstation has too many useful features.

    Therefore, I create my own demo environments in VMWare Server as my first choice and run VPC images in Virtual PC 2004 by necessity. Guess which environment is significantly faster? I have no incentive to use Virual Server 2005 R2.

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  3. But VMWare fears Parallels by winkydink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in a big way... little Russian upstart making a big entry into the space

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    1. Re:But VMWare fears Parallels by ChipX86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I should clarify my opinion on this (and it's just my opinion). The virtualization marketspace is large and there are many areas to grow into. Parallels is targetting certain users and use cases. VMware is targetting certain users and use cases. Xen is targetting some. QEMU. Virtual Server. They all have users and are being used for different things. I think Parallels is playing things smart by getting into the Mac market early and targetting the users there with a low priced product, and that may secure a position for them there. But it's not at a point where I feel VMware has to fear it. Keep the company in mind, yes. But "VMware fears Parallels in a big way" is a bold statement to make :)

      (My opinion is my own, and not necessarily that of VMware.)

  4. Most of all by goldaryn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For TFSummary: "Microsoft is still struggling with: application separation, and decent resource utilization."

    And above all: security. Surely.

  5. Solaris Support? by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish that EMC/VMware would hurry up and add Solaris 10 x86 host support.

    Would be rather nice to run VMWare under Solaris 10.

    1. Re:Solaris Support? by dtbw · · Score: 2, Informative

      ESX Version 3 support Solaris 10

    2. Re:Solaris Support? by Zemplar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps, but I think [and agree with] the OP that it would be nice to have Solaris x86 host support in VMware's free versions as well.

    3. Re:Solaris Support? by 0racle · · Score: 2, Informative

      He said host, not guest. You don't need a host OS with ESX, it is the host. Solaris x86 is supported as a guest in most (all?) VMware products.

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  6. Not originally an MS product? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For what it's worth Microsoft Virtual Server was originally developed by Connectix, not MS. Microsoft bought it.

    1. Re:Not originally an MS product? by krray · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll also add to that and note that since Microsoft bought Connectix out that the product has gone to hell in a hand bag (looking at it from the Mac end, of course :). With each release (Connectix) it just got better and _faster_. That is no longer the case it seems -- today it just seems to be full of Microsoft induced bugs and problems (as usual).

      With Apple going to Intel I'm frankly waiting (with baited breath) for VMWare to come out with a version for OS X [Intel]. It is then that I'll probably get serious about buying a new Mac. In the mean time I find that using VNC to tie to a real Windows box (if/when needed, albeit more and more rare :) is much faster than the current iteration of VirtualPC.

    2. Re:Not originally an MS product? by wbd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't forget Windows, too...

    3. Re:Not originally an MS product? by hawaiian717 · · Score: 3, Informative

      With Apple going to Intel I'm frankly waiting (with baited breath) for VMWare to come out with a version for OS X [Intel]

      Have you looked at Parallels Desktop? It much like VMWare Workstation, but cheaper.

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    4. Re:Not originally an MS product? by katsklaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DOS isn't an original MS product either, guess where that went. Come to think of it .. the GUI isn't a MS innovation .. neither is networking, email, ftp, telnet, gopher, http .. the list goes on and on. Yet who holds the market?

  7. Too little, too late by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft never really had a chance...did they? VMware simply rocks and supports a lot of platforms. Mhy Microsoft felt Virtual Server was even necessary was beyond me. Even when they give away free sessions, VMware STILL beats them hands-down.

    I ask again, what were they thinking exactly?

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    1. Re:Too little, too late by pnatural · · Score: 2, Insightful
      [W]hy Microsoft felt Virtual Server was even necessary was beyond me.

      They understand that someday they will have to ditch the entire spaghetti code base that is Windows(TM). By the time that they will seriously consider that, the commodity hardware of the day will be able to virtualize another OS with little or no (perceived) performance penalty. So they invest in this tech now, in the hopes of providing an upgrade path to (er, revenue stream from) their customers.

      Just my US$0.02.

  8. Obligatory arch commment by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 5, Funny
    What we really want in the Microsoft OS, is access to some of the user tools and easy administration that comes with the GUI, while having the ability to control application separation, get better resource utilization, be hardware agnostic and stop rebuilding installs all the time...


    Oh, I get it. So what we really want from the Microsoft OS is Ubuntu.

    ...and manage the system as well as other enterprise OS's have in the past


    or, rather RHEL.
  9. This isn't really news... by coop247 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am a VMWare junky, I have been using them for years and they continue to deliver quality software and upgrades are always jammed with new features.

    Unfortunately....

    Since MS gives Virtual Machine away to big Co.'s I am forced to use this horrible product at work. Once again MS finds a market, makes a far inferior product, then jams it down your throat by giving it away to their big customers.

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    1. Re:This isn't really news... by PriusFan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Disclaimer: I am a VMware employee. And I work in marketing. Please don't hurt me. Just wanted to mention that VMware Server is also free... and just as good as (better than?) MicroSoft Virtual Server.

    2. Re:This isn't really news... by nharmon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not a VMware employee. The virtual machines you create in VMware Server have the advantage that they can be modified to run on ESX Server, and vice versa. Its kinda nice starting out with Vmware Server and then, when you budget gets approved, not have to reload those servers from scratch.

    3. Re:This isn't really news... by poulbailey · · Score: 4, Informative

      You probably should've checked the actual terms before posting this FUD, you know.

      From http://www.vmware.com/products/server/faqs.html:

      Q: Will VMware Server still be free when it is generally available?
      A: Yes, VMware Server will be a free product. There will not be any charge for licenses to VMware Server when it becomes generally available.

    4. Re:This isn't really news... by killjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When is it going to go out of beta and get non expiring keys?

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    5. Re:This isn't really news... by x2A · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not a VMware employee. I don't work in marketing. Please hurt me (I kinda like it). I've just installed vmware server onto one of my dedicated servers to run Windows (a customer needs a windows server, be I'll be damned if I'm installing Windows directly onto hardware. Now if Windows spazzes out, I can vmware-console in, and recover). VMware's a rarity in software, it works better than expected. Definitely a fanboy here.

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  10. No details. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article offers no details about how or why VMWare is better than the Microsoft offering, and in fact, doesn't even mention the name of the MS offering. No details about the features offered by either product. No details about the history of either product. No details about the "product depth and focus" attributed to VMWare. "VMWare is doing this by really giving us what we need from the MS Windows OS, that Microsoft has never been able to deliver. VMWare is actually delivering Microsoft's product in the way that Microsoft should be delivering it." um, great, but, um, how is that? What is it that VM Ware delivers and how should Microsoft deliver it and how is VMWare delivering it? This is an op-ed piece, with an a-subtle antimicrosoft slant. Little more.

    1. Re:No details. by steve_l · · Score: 2, Informative

      good point

      1. VMWare runs on non windows x86 platforms (Unix, linux, soon macos).

      2. They have *excellent* support, even for vmware client. That is a rarity today. But if you have some problem with the virtual VGA driver on Vista when hosting on Suse/Redhat, you can file tickets with them and get someone to actually help you -even to phone up to check up on how well it worked.

      3. It's pretty fast, even on x86 kit without the new opcodes

      4. VMWare images are freely redistributable, they dont even ask for reactivation when you move XP or Vista images around.

      5. Its a realistic enough OS emulation you can develop and debug kernel-mode code on it.

      #5 matters. We've done stuff that needed drivers in the IDE chain to emulate enhanced DVD drives that werent ready. Virtual PC would just bail out, its their virtual IDE drive and you mustnt fiddle with. VMWare happily runs the stuff.

      I got into using VMWare just to run windows apps on Unix. Its not as elegant a solution as Wine -you need two operating systems to keep up to date, a virtual XP image is just as insecure as a real one. But it runs nearly everything, even those legacy apps that I need to use to do corporate things like travel expense.

      What we've got into more recently is vmware for simulating and testing complex networks/systems. As an example, say your web server needs a database behind it, and it takes ages to populate it with 5million records for testing. Create the database on a virtual linux image, fully configured, then save that image as a snapshot. whenever you need the database up for testing, bring up the image, then revert to the snapshot afterwards. Its lovely.

      -steve

  11. Re:Eats their lunch? by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this phrase really in common usage?

    Yes.

    It doesn't make any sense.

    Sure it does. Just because you aren't clued in to the idiomatic meaning doesn't mean it's ready to buy the farm. Not that it's a black and white issue, mind you, but frankly I could care less.

    Keep it on the black part, dude.

    KFG

  12. I have no real comment by bunions · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just wanted to say that I was giddy with glee to find that this article was tagged 'lunch'

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  13. Microsoft Won't Control *This* Market by rmckeethen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the last year or so, I've heard a lot of people in the industry talk about how VMware is fighting a losing battle against Microsoft in the server virtualization market. Really though, I don't see Microsoft beating VMware anytime soon. Here's why:

    First, I don't think anyone in their right mind is ever going to truely believe that Microsoft can be entirely agnostic when it comes to what OS you run in a virtualization layer. I just can't see the Linux crowd ever fully buying into the notion that Microsoft will support Linux as a virtual server with the same zealous dedication as they'll support virtualization of Windows servers. We've all seen too many instances in the past where Microsoft has teaked some application to take advantage of their inside knowledge of Windows, at the expense of some other vender's application or operating system. I can't imagine, given this track record, that Microsoft will continue to resist the temptation to shaft everyone else in the virtualization market, ensuring that Windows continues to dominate. This idea alone will seriously retard Microsoft's ability to compete with VMware. I doubt that anyone at VMware really gives a rat's ass what you run in ESX server; Microsoft, on the other hand, will never be able to make the same claim.

    Additionally, as I see it, there's also little advantage for Microsoft to expand the number of operating systems they support under their own virtualization layer. Every time they add support for an additional OS running in the virtualization layer, it gives their current customers more choices to run some other operating system that *isn't* Windows. Sooner or later, someone on the Windows server sales team is going to figure that out, potentially putting preasure on the virtualization team to do a half-assed job with anything that doesn't sport a Microsoft logo. Ultimately, I predict that this is going to ensure that Microsoft's virtual server offerings will be the most limited in the market. VMware, of course, won't be bound by the same demands. Every time they expand support for additional operating systems, it makes their products that much more attractive to buyers.

    Finally, I suspect that Microsoft will decide at some point in the future that what they really want to do is to build virtualization into the Windows operating system itself. This is the only strategy that makes sense in the long-term. It keeps customers buying Windows while answering the need for server consolidation/management that virtualization brings to the table. In the end, it will put distance between what Microsoft offers and what VMware offers, leaving the independant OS virtualization market squarely in the hands of VMware.

  14. Tagging system by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on guys. Seriously. "Lunch"? Tagging was supposed to use humans to actually process what's important. Somehow I can't believe that slashdotters have coded a broken AI to tag articles for them.

    "Lunch"? This article has anything to do with "lunch"? Give me a break.

  15. VMware for personal use by blackest_k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like VMware I really do,
    It's letting me get rid of windows as my primary OS, instead now I can use ubuntu as default and only run windows when I haven't a convenient alternative.

    Maybe some of the VMware people reading here could answer a few questions?

    1) any plans to make a .deb installation package instead of tar.gz or rpm (admittedly tar.gz works ok in ubuntu I just wonder what its done to my package management).

    2)Are there any plans to improve support for OSX in a virtual machine, (graphically it's a bit sluggish compared to native on the same hardware) on the otherhand adding a network controller to the VM as NAT gave network access to OSX as a wired network card (even though it was wireless in reality :)

    3) any chance of VMware workstation being made freely available for a single vm or some other limited use.
    I wouldn't want to see VMware cut its own throat but it seems the money for them is in commercial servers not an individual trying to break thier windows habit.

    4)which is quicker windows in a vm hosted on windows or windows in a vm hosted on linux?

    ubuntu and VMware make a great combination, it's something that should be tried by any windows user, who wants to escape the limitations of windows but needs windows compatability (at least initially) although ubuntu and remote desktop is another working alternative (video is slow thou).

    Anyway to any of the VMWare team reading this you guys rock.

    1. Re:VMware for personal use by Wordplay · · Score: 2, Informative

      ObDisc: I work for VMware, but I don't speak for them in any way, shape, or form. This is a highly unofficial reply.

      1) Couldn't get an answer for any .deb plans, but the Player is packaged for Debian (Multiverse).

      2) No plans that I know of. I believe the Apple EULA for OS X requires it to be installed on Mac hardware.

      3) That would be the purpose of VMware Player. You might also check out VMware Server, which is more versatile.

      4) The latter, Windows hosted on Linux.

    2. Re:VMware for personal use by univgeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      For making sure the vmware .tgz doesn't screw with the package management use checkinstall - at the very least you'll have the record of what files are installed and you can do a clean uninstall.

      sudo apt-get install checkinstall

      cd vmware
      checkinstall install

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  16. VMware is leagues ahead of Virtual Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While VMware GSX Server is certainly a better product, it's ESX Server (with its addons) that is in a completely different league to anything Microsoft offers. Further, now that VMware has released VM Infrastructure 3, Microsoft just got smacked down. Hard. Each VM can now use up to 4 CPUs and 16GB RAM. As far as performance goes, on average, you will get 6-8 VMs running per physical CPU core, although you should outfit each server with twice as much RAM as you expect it's workload to require.

    Most techs are now familiar with basic single-box virtualisation, but aren't familiar with the virtual infrastructure offerings. It's here that VMware is truly revolutionising the commodity x86 server space. Without the VM Infrastructure concept, but using virtualisation you're effectively trading off reliability for utilisation efficiency. With VM Infrastructure you're gaining both. Let me explain.

    Picture this: hundreds of VMs scattered around dozens of physical servers. Under VM Infrastructure, any time a given server's resources start to struggle with the load, the VMware software automatically and seamlessly migrates some of the VMs to another server that has resources to spare. When local server diagnostics identify that a critical piece of hardware is on the way out, all VMs are automatically and seamlessly shifted to other available servers. All this while allowing you to specify per-server policies on minimum and maximum resources (CPUs, CPU time, RAM, storage capacity, disk I/O, network bandwidth, network I/O, etc). This is possible because VMs interact with virtual hardware devices rather than the underlying hardware. This means you can most a running instance from one physical server to another and there are no hardware differences visible to the guest OS.

    Basically, you not only ensure that you don't have idle servers sitting around, but you actually increase your availability by mitigating hardware failures and levelling resources throughout your pool of servers when load for given VMs increases.

    This works by having all storage on a SAN. This means you don't have wasted disk sitting at individual servers. It also makes your storage subsystem extremely reliable and scalable while simultaneously amortising it's cost across multiple servers. The cost of storage goes down on a per-server basis while the reliability of your storage goes up. It also means your individual servers can have a smaller form-factor as you don't need any disk space on nodes save what's required to boot the virtualisation layer.

    Using VMs can make backups much, much cheaper to implement. VMs are just files waiting to be copied to media.

    If you don't think that's enough (it was for me!), think of how much easier and cheaper disaster recovery becomes. You just need to replicate SAN-to-SAN and your entire server pool is effectively mirrored offsite. In the event of disaster you can simply disable all non-critical VMs (e.g. DEV, TEST, UAT and low-priority PROD), so you don't need to mirror your (now smaller) server pool at the backup site, just enough to bring up the critical production services. In the event of a disaster you've always got the option of then buying additional servers to host non-critical VMs as time permits. Since it's a SAN that's required for storage, if you're not too concerned about non-critical VMs, you can simply keep them on a separate LUN to the critical ones and not replicate that. In the event of a disaster, you can order more disks, and in the meantime you save on SAN-to-SAN replication traffic costs and bandwidth.

    Finally, and this is a key selling point to infrastructure staff and customers alike, a SAN-based virtual infrastructure allows extremely rapid deployment of new servers. Let's say a project manager contacts the service desk with a request to provision two new environments (TEST and UAT) for a new development project, each with a webserver, an application server and a database server. The service desk sources the software licenses (either from a pool of spares or

  17. Re:Eats their lunch? by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't that be "but frankly I couldn't care less"?

    I knew that was the one that was going to draw fire.

    It's an idiom, "an expression whose meanings cannot be inferred from the meanings of the words that make it up." It doesn't mean what it literally says, just as "eat their lunch" doesn't mean that VMware is raiding the Microsoft cafeteria.

    It is a shortened version of the ironic phrase, "I suppose I could care less, but I don't know how."

    An older, less crude version of "I give a fuck," (shortened from "Do I look like I give a fuck?")and related to "Yeah, right."

    Or do you subscribe to the belief that "if everyone does something wrong, it's right"?

    I subscribe to the idea that when constructing a post out of what everyone does it would be incorrect to "correct" it, because then it wouldn't be what everyone does, would it? The whole point of the post was to use a series of phrases that do not actually mean what they say. Or do you believe that issues really have color (or literal lack thereof)?

    In any case it is hard to escape the fact that language really is just the historical accident of what everyone does, like the end results or not (and I not infrequently don't. You can get my goat by calling a Van Dyke a Goatee). If you go read the O.E.D. carefully you'll find that it does not define the English language, it records its literary history. It requires occasional revision not merely because the language grows, but because the meaning of the same words often changes.

    Because enough people do something wrong.

    KFG

  18. Re:Microsoft Style by enosys · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can't you disable those checks somewhere, like maybe Edit -> Preferences -> Workspace -> Software updates?

  19. So that's what kids call it these days? by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Funny

    When one company yoinks business right out from under another company's nose, then the latter company is losing.

    Unless it's Microsoft. That's not called "Eating Microsoft's lunch". That's called "doing Microsoft's research for them".

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  20. Re:Eats their lunch? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It is a shortened version of the ironic phrase, "I suppose I could care less, but I don't know how."

    No, it's an erroneous reproduction of the older idiom "I couldn't care less". Given that it relies entirely on vocal intonation (or prior knowledge of the "meaning") to be anything but gibberish, its origin was almost certainly from mispronunciations and/or "mishearings" via regional accents - probably of the phrase originating in written material - followed by repetition.

    Incidentally, the word you're after is "sarcastic", not "ironic".

    Outside of the US, "I could care less" is seen as the nonsensical error it is and correct usage is "I couldn't care less". Even *within* the US, people with a decent English education realise the former is a perversion after it requires an explanation and sufficient linguistic/mental gymnastics to be meaningful.

    The meaning of "I couldn't care less" is quickly and easily understood, whether the phrase is heard or read. The same cannot be said for "I could care less". This is because the latter is (supposedly) a shortening of a longer phrase that requires a suitably sarcastic intonation to communicate meaning, whereas the former is coherent on its own.

  21. Re:People do not seem to understand... by InsaneGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually what you don't seem to understand is support leggacy proucts and consolidation that's been one of the big selling point for VMware for longer than MS has had their product out. They even have been selling a product specifically for that process to make it dead simple (P2V) where you pop in a cd and it will take an old box and pull it into vmware. MS deffinetly doesn't win this market, they are later to this market than VMware is, their product is worse than VMware and VMware goes beyond just supporting legacy/consolidation to test, dev, DR, etc. and VMware still smokes MS virtual server on performance on *ALL* items (network, cpu, memory and disk).

  22. Re:Oh yeah? by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, you're saying Ballmer is a tosser?

    /me ducks

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  23. What the hell is wrong with you? by Builder · · Score: 2, Funny

    You work in marketting and you say things like and just as good as (better than?) MicroSoft Virtual Server

    And to make it even worse, you're saying this about a product that just wipes the floor with Virtual server. Be more positive man!