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Google Researchers Create TV Audio Analysis System

segphault writes "Ars Technica reports on a paper (PDF) about ambient audio analysis authored by Google researchers. The system described in the paper can effectively determine what television show a user is watching just by capturing a short audio clip. The paper explains how a regular computer microphone can be used to record an audio clip that is then converted into a statistical data summary and transmitted to a remote server which matches the clip against archived data in order to ascertain which TV show it is associated with. Apparently, the system is fully viable, and other kinds of ambient noise don't negatively impact its accuracy. The paper also describes how web services can provide contextually relevant information based on a consumer's television viewing activities."

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  1. I have just this to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Big Brother is listening you!

    1. Re:I have just this to say... by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 2
      Well, it's not Big Brother but Big Brother could get a court order to hear what was going on in your house at anytime since the microphone was turned on.

      There is no way I'm letting Google or anyone else have an open mic. in my home.

      Even if it were just turned on for brief periods at random intervals.

      Why would anyone allow this in their livingroom? No, I didn't RTFM.

    2. Re:I have just this to say... by LocoMan · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it can be used like those trucks in V for Vendetta that just went around the streets with directional mics recording small snippets of audio to see what the people (in general) were talking about on the streets. A way to check what channels are being seen the most in different areas of the cities?. Not that I'd like to have it on my neighbourhood any better than on my room, though.

    3. Re:I have just this to say... by Justin+Shreve · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not Big Brother but Big Brother could get a court order to hear what was going on in your house at anytime since the microphone was turned on. There is no way I'm letting Google or anyone else have an open mic. in my home. Even if it were just turned on for brief periods at random intervals. Why would anyone allow this in their livingroom? No, I didn't RTFM. From the Paper (and mentioned in TFA if you read it): The viewer's acoustic privacy is maintained by the irreversibility of the mapping from audio to summary statistics. Unlike the speech-enabled proactive agent by Hong et al. (2001), our approach will not "overhear" conversations.

    4. Re:I have just this to say... by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 1
      That is a better system than what I first imagined. Still the encoding is being done in software so it would not be difficult to switch from encoded to raw without anyone knowing (Only with the request^W court order from an official agency of course).

      From The Fine Paper;
      ...the system can easily be designed to use an explicit 'mute/un-mute' button, to give the viewer full control of when acoustic statistics are collected for transmission.

      Again what incentive do I have to ever un-mute?

      I see where the advertisers and broadcasters would love to have this kind of real-time feedback; cancel a show after one episode when most viewers switched channels after watching only five minutes. Or charge for commercials based on how many households actually watched it.

      On the other hand I don't want to be inundated with adverts for WWII memorabilia just because I happened to be watching the History Channel.

      I'm going to go buy some tinfoil to put in my hat just to be on the safe side;-)

    5. Re:I have just this to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neilsen already does this, nothing new.

  2. This already exists? by abigsmurf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's a system in the UK where you can go out clubbing, here a song you like, dial a number and hold the phone out to the music and it'll text you the name of the song. Assuming they don't hire scores of extremely knowledgable music buffs with quick fingers, surely it's a very similar system. TV dialogue may be less distinctive to the human ear but to a computer it just means a larger amount of data to search through.

    1. Re:This already exists? by Nimloth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite, the service you mentionned recognizes a sound clip against its more or less exact replica in the (large) database.
      This here matches a sound clip to a pattern to find the TV show, meaning it doesn't have all the current episodes of the program in its database, it just has statistical data and patterns which help it match the audio. The latter could successfully match new (live) episodes without having the database updated. Your tune system wouldn't.

    2. Re:This already exists? by MagicM · · Score: 2, Funny

      With music they'd have to find an exact match. If they used statistical analysis, everything would be identified as the "Backstreet Boys".

    3. Re:This already exists? by sam1am · · Score: 1
      According to the article:
      In order to perform its function, the audio-database server must have access to a database of broadcast audio data. However, the actual audio stream does not need to be stored. Instead, only the compressed representation (32-bit descriptor) is stored. This allows as much as a year of broadcast fingerprints to be stored in less than 1 GB of memory.
      It sounds like they are effectively building a database to compare the recordings to. (even if these are not the actual material but hashes based on it)
    4. Re:This already exists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Two acquaintances of mine work at the company you mentioned. What is also amazing is that they record the Cd's to disc creating a finger print of the Cd's. They then sell the Cd's off at cost price. They are really cheap, as they by in bulk and even get tons of freebies. They are legally allowed to do this as keeping data of a fingerprint of the CD does not constitute keeping the actual CD. What is also amazing is that the fingerprint allows for the song to be playing at a slower or faster rate and it will still detect it. Impressive mathematics to scan such a large database so fast. I must say though that they first scan currently playing songs from major radio stations to reduce the search time. The server farm they are running is massive. They are now expanding into other countries too.

      Hope that was helpful.

    5. Re:This already exists? by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

      I always wanted to have the ability to "hash" songs, and come up with an algorithm that would be robust enough to work across multiple codecs and encoding options, different (relative) normalizations, and maybe even be able to handle empty space at the beginning and/or end of the song. (I would think by making a hash based on values relative to sound signatures within the clip this might be possible, but I don't really know how this stuff works.)

      Anyway, besides obvious RIAA spyware being able to catalogue the music you have on your computer, report back, and send you a bill, something like musicbrainz.org could have hashes for all the songs in its database. That way, you could have a program to churn through all of your poorly named and tagged audio collection, and catalogue and tag it. Or, something like iTunes could do so dynamically, and use last.fm or whatever to tell you what sorts of other music would match your library.

      Yummy.

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    6. Re:This already exists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This not only already exists in the UK, but there are a number of Market Research companies which have already implemented this into certain cell(ular) devices.

    7. Re:This already exists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There's a system in the UK where you can go out clubbing, here a song you like[...]

      The word is "hear," as in "I heard something," or "I can hear."

      "Here," on the other hand, refers to a place; a "where," not a "sense."

      Learn the difference, they're two simple words.
    8. Re:This already exists? by asuffield · · Score: 3, Informative

      I always wanted to have the ability to "hash" songs, and come up with an algorithm that would be robust enough to work across multiple codecs and encoding options, different (relative) normalizations, and maybe even be able to handle empty space at the beginning and/or end of the song.

      It's been done. Here's a system where you can hum a tune and it tells you the song: http://www.musipedia.org/

      Current systems are mostly based on pitch changes, so they aren't perfect (especially with the recycled slush turned out by low-grade high-visibility pop acts), and largely useless for rap, but they mostly work. There are numerous variations on the system, this is just one of the more significant ones that is publically availabel on the web.

      I would think by making a hash based on values relative to sound signatures within the clip this might be possible, but I don't really know how this stuff works

      What google is doing may or may not be related. They might instead be using a form of speech recognition technology, or a combination of both, or something else entirely.

    9. Re:This already exists? by 70Bang · · Score: 1



      I know the people from the UK have their own form of spelling, but "here" instead of "hear"? (I'll have to remember this one) ;)

      The big question is: will Google will apply for (and obtain) a patent akin to Microsoft's "How To Tell If A Baseball Game Is Interesting".


    10. Re:This already exists? by fuzzix · · Score: 1

      Can it tell you how much louder the ad break is than the show?

      South Park on Paramount is about the worst viewing experience I know of... I could swear the show's volume decreases as it goes on, then:

      HI! I'M BARRY SCOTT! *BANG* AND THE SHIT'S OFF THE WALLS! ...and I'm on the ceiling, fingernails in plaster.

    11. Re:This already exists? by dmdb · · Score: 1

      I can't really comment on american shows but people get the same impression here in the UK, however the audio level actually stays the same, the audio is compressed to enhance the volume of the commercials. It has now become common practice to boost the sound level of quieter passages so there is more sound power in the frequency range where the ear is sensitive. Because most TV programs do not use audio compression in the same manner, the result is that commercials are often perceived as louder. In actual decibel range, there is no measurable difference between the programs and the commercials. There are (at least in the UK) strict quality controls placed on transmission material which a programme or advert must comply with before it is transmitted. The ITU have written guidelines and specifications for this although unfortunatly these are only available for subscribers to view. Essentially the material should average a PPM reading of 4.

    12. Re:This already exists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, here! That's some good advice. Roll!

    13. Re:This already exists? by fuzzix · · Score: 1
      It has now become common practice to boost the sound level of quieter passages so there is more sound power in the frequency range where the ear is sensitive.
      Spot the ad break
      South Park, this evening, Paramount UK. Visibly higher amplitude.
  3. Great... by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    and this is useful for what exactly?

    1. Re:Great... by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      Off the top of my head:

      A PVR that doesn't need to rely on blind luck and often incorrect listings to know if it's recording the right thing.

      My Tivo often mischannels to PBS. I'm pretty sure this algorithm should be able to tell Family Guy from the "Boring ass old people talking about politics hour".

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    2. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      profiling

    3. Re:Great... by Rytis · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For displaying ads. There's some info in TechCrunch.
      [...]to listen to the ambient audio in a room, determine what is being watched on TV and offer web-based supplemental information, services and shopping contextual to each program being watched.
    4. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keeping piracy out of Google Video.

    5. Re:Great... by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to believe that targeted advertising or Tivo problems couldn't be solved more easily by just say having more accurate listings information...

    6. Re:Great... by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1
      and this is useful for what exactly?

      if you want to check what tv show it is - it means that you like it, and want to watch later/tell your friends about it. Google can sell data about tv shows popularity to interested parties, that will know where to plant ads (or they could place ads themselves...). It also can be used to determine an ad price for a given show.

      I'm not watching tv for 4 years now, it feels great. If I accidentally see some of it somewhere I'm shocked at how dumb it is.
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    7. Re:Great... by smvp6459 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I still watch a few shows, but I have a requirement: if I can't listen to it without visuals then it's too stupid to have on. Our kitchen has no view of the living room TV so I'll often listen while I cook. You'd be amazed how asinine 99% of televisions shows become without visuals.

    8. Re:Great... by tibike77 · · Score: 1

      I would assume its main use would be to display MORE pr0n ads for most people :D

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    9. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will be great for their Chinese government customers. Now all they need to do is require microphones by everyone's televisions so they can help them find the most quality filled communist viewing.

  4. I thought something like this was up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is THIS why Google has been returning so many porn sites on my searches lately?

    1. Re:I thought something like this was up! by p3t0r · · Score: 1

      when I last checked with google the results seemed to somehow match te given query..........

  5. Uses & Motives? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like a not too complicated idea. You create an inexpensive operation that extracts what features you want from the sound data. Most importantly, you avoid features that are prone to randomness and entropy. It would take some research to figure out what the best features are and that's the audio fingerprint.

    Since Google has more storage than you can imagine, they can most likely apply this fingerprinting technique to every episodes of every major show. Then they host the fingerprints in Google style and use their patented "Google Technology" to search it much the same way web content is searched.

    Why would you want this? Well, there's the obvious marketing ploys. You know that people who watch Darma & Greg like to shop at Trader Joe's and like Odwalla brand food so you offer free episodes of Darma & Greg with only Trader Joe's & Odwalla episodes. You let the sponsors (Trader Joe's and Odwalla) foot the bill for the bandwidth/royalties or whatever.

    The second useful implication would be cross suggesting shows to a user based on random sampling of the shows. You could allow users to watch old TV shows on the internet and then build a profile of them and their shows. Much how Amazon works, you could then suggest other shows, other DVDs of shows or perhaps build a site that randomly shows the user episodes that they might like based on prior viewings and statistics of other users.

    The take away from this article for me was the fact that Google has vested interest in archiving and now television will be archived Google style.

    I can't think of many other uses for this as the system isn't really "inferring" or "thinking" about data samples but is more so matching extracted features against a database. You know, voice recognition software allows for decent voice fingerprinting. You could most likely easily identify characters based on voices (but not actors due to stars like Hank Azaria who do multiple voices). Then you wouldn't need a database of all shows but more so just a database of character voice fingerprints. I would find this sort of approach more interesting but less specific and useful.

    Aside from showing this off to your friends, it's not very useful. What I personally would like to see this new Google strategy applied to is all the tapes recorded of famous people like the United States Presidents. If you divided those up into sessions and I was listening to a particular tape of the Nixon set where he talked about the "new right", perhaps a database with references would then point me to some tapes or materials on Joe McCarthey's staunch views on the right.

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    1. Re:Uses & Motives? by simpl3x · · Score: 1

      What shoes did "x" character wear on "x" shoe last week. And, where can I get them? A difference, but analogous in the sense that finding lines from shows is pretty difficult, even for those which are pretty well known. I like the profiling aspect you point to, perhaps another target is "real" measurement. If 15% of people watch a certain show, but 25% of the internet is talking about it, which is a more valuable television property?

      A bizarrely useful search engine is a complete search engine.

    2. Re:Uses & Motives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was listening to a particular tape of the Nixon set"

      Yeah, liberal propagandists listen to Nixon all the time...

  6. Subpoena by wombatmobile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Designed to maximize user privacy while minimizing dependency on unique hardware, the system described in the paper seems interesting and feasible. In order to protect user privacy, the software uses "summary statistics" automatically generated from ambient audio rather than transmitting an actual recording. The actual audio cannot be extrapolated from the summary statistic data, so the system doesn't "overhear" or transmit user conversations.

    Still, if the data reveals what show the person is watching, your President or anyone else who gets to see the data might start treating you differently depending on what you are watching latley.

    1. Re:Subpoena by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

      Well, it was one thing when they started tracking what subversive books I've checked out from libraries.

      But, now that they'll be able to know that we own all 10 seasons of Friends..... they've gone too far!!!

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  7. Oh, yippie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another way to target the marketing. Just what I need.

  8. TVDB by itsthebin · · Score: 2

    will help to add meta data to all those mpeg4's you have bittorrented or recorded on your DVR

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  9. Google seem to go out of their way to freak us out by kestasjk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So Google researchers find a way to find you TV watching habits with only a simple computer microphone, and in the same paper they describe how they could use the microphone to find more about you for your online profile?

    This seems to be just asking for privacy concerns.

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  10. Thanks to Google R&D... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV watches YOU!

  11. What else does it work on? by baomike · · Score: 1

    This , I think assumes US tv. Does it work with clasical music, Canadian French TV, would it work on The National?

  12. What... by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

    What, thay haven't patented it yet?

    Oh... I guess that would have to be a dupe^H^H^H^Hseparate story in YRO.

  13. What about p0rn?! by Ruvim · · Score: 1

    There could be all kind of films with any number of people, doing all kinds of things, all using the same exact soundtrack! Have they thought of THAT?!

  14. It's Google, what do you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Contextual advertising... for everything you watch. You're watching the news and they're discussing pregnancy... bam, pregnancy tester ad!

    1. Re:It's Google, what do you think? by dfung · · Score: 1

      I think this is exactly right.

      If Google really wants to "do no evil", then they need to use this technology to recognize that a commercial just started, and turn the darn volume down! I'm a reasonable guy - they don't need to turn the volume off or skip over the commercial (although they are welcome to do this), just turn it down to the point where the overcompressed signal is not blasting me out of my brain. It's almost impossible to quietly watch any 10PM network TV show without getting blasted by the commercials for the next horror/exploding action movie that's in theaters.

  15. other possible uses? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i would like to see a graphical qeualizer or something similar so i can remove all the loud music (drama effect) in TV shows, i hate it when the music is drownding out the dialog/conversation

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  16. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it finally prove the undeniable fact that commercials are considerably louder than program content? (Which the industry continues to deny...)

  17. been there, seen that, now it's dead by beeps · · Score: 1

    shame on google

    remember cuecat? that funky little free barcode reader from radioshack?

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/10/04 10208

    in one incarnation i beleive they included a jack on the device and the end user was suppose to hook up an audio cable from one's tv to cuecat v.2. the computer would do all the heavy lifting, eventually finding a hidden tone that would magically pull up an advertiser's web page.

    it was spam magic that never took off. gee, i wonder why.

    1. Re:been there, seen that, now it's dead by guinsu · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought I was the only one who realized Google was reinventing the Cuecat, just making it a bit smarter. I don't see that this has a ton to offer to the end user, but a TON to Neilsen and the networks.

    2. Re:been there, seen that, now it's dead by fury683 · · Score: 1

      I remember the cuecat, and this feature. I don't recall every trying to use it though...

    3. Re:been there, seen that, now it's dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have mine, and once you code a simple base64 decoder for it, it's a wonderfully inexpensive barcode reader :)

      And you are right about the cable, it has a female->male RCA plug on one end with a wire coming out that has a stereo 3.5mm male headphone jack on the other. It's handy if you need to capture a single channel off of your A/V setup.

  18. Popup Television by AlpineR · · Score: 2

    Do you remember the MTV show Popup Video? They showed older music videos with popup balloons that gave extra information, like actors in the video that later became famous or mistakes made during production. If Google analyzed the sounds coming into your laptop and gave you a link to a site like the Internet Movie Database then you could have Popup Television. Learn more about the specific episode you are watching, and even have the ability to edit that information yourself.

    It'd make an interesting toy. I'm sure that anyone with some imagination could think of even cooler applications.

    AlpineR

    1. Re:Popup Television by ScottyH · · Score: 1

      Interesting...

    2. Re:Popup Television by CrayzyJ · · Score: 1

      Pop-up video was on VH1.

      uh, I mean, so I heard.

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  19. Re:Google seem to go out of their way to freak us by rogerramrod · · Score: 0

    I agree, sounds like google is creating there own "echelon" system, but with a different purpose.

  20. TV equalizer by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    If I had a sound-removing tool for TV, I'd block out the laugh tracks. I recently realized that the only network shows I watch, My Name Is Earl and The Office, don't have laugh tracks. I just can't bare to watch the majority of sitcoms that do.

    1. Re:TV equalizer by crucini · · Score: 1

      I agree - the laugh tracks are a huge barrier to watching. But a show written around punchlines and laughs is fundamentally different from The Office. Sitcoms with the laffs stripped out would probably appear empty and slow-paced.

  21. I find it pleasingly fanciful to know... by Super+Dave+Osbourne · · Score: 1

    I have not owned a TV for 17 years, so Google subcontracting or farming out to their own sub-conglomerate-company 'researching' the use patterns of TV viewers is in no way going to directly affect me getting spam calls to find out what I'm watching, and then sell me more spam calls or directed advertising on based on use. Is Google really that determined to become the next M$, just as invasive and just as annoying? I had hopes they were not.

    1. Re:I find it pleasingly fanciful to know... by uncanny · · Score: 1

      boy do they feel stupid now. I guess they should have asked you before they did all this. google "crap, the only guy in the US without a tv spoke up, we'd better scrap the idea all together!"

    2. Re:I find it pleasingly fanciful to know... by Super+Dave+Osbourne · · Score: 1

      well not quite the only guy in the US without a TV. I didn't expect you or Google to really give a "crap" one way or the other what I think, however that fact or your opinion certainly doesn't discount or negate what I said.

  22. googleTv and search? by carlosGames · · Score: 0

    let me see if I understod well, does this means then if google goes into Tv market (lets say GoogleTv) you would be able to search your tv program just because of it's audio? this looks good.

    then would the search query "yes, yes, yes" be filtered because of the highly mature content at results

  23. Nielson by sam1am · · Score: 1
    Or you could just use the audio information encoded by Nielson and their portable people meters.

    Actually - it appears they do the same thing Google's researchers talk about already:
    What happens if no audio code is present in the sample home?

    Nielsen's patented Nielsen Media Monitor Sites (MMS) collect and store a constant stream of unique audio signatures for each broadcast, cable, and satellite signal received, covering all 210 TV markets. This includes all client PBS stations and client cable origination channels.

    If any station's NAVE encoder is inadvertently interrupted, the A/P Meter installed in Nielsen sample homes uses the same patented technology to collect and store passive signatures for all non-encoded programming viewed. These signatures are downloaded each night to Nielsen's operations center. To identify viewing, the passive signatures collected from the A/P meter in the home are matched against the signatures collected by the MMS. This process occurs during the normal overnight data collection.

    The passive signature-matching engine in the A/P Meter system is intended as a fail-safe back-up system, to be used when codes are not present in the signal.
    Reference
  24. In my house, they will be very disapointed. by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 1

    No TV.

    1. Re:In my house, they will be very disapointed. by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:In my house, they will be very disapointed. by Agret · · Score: 1

      Don't worry they'll make a new version that works with TV tuner cards too.

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    3. Re:In my house, they will be very disapointed. by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 1

      ok, I totally desreved that.

  25. Privacy Maximization by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How about outlawing electronic easedropping without written consent? I won't use Macromedia Flash because it turns the microphone on. That's creepy and all non free software with a microphone can do the same thing. It would be better if that kind of thing were against the law.

    In the mean time, I avoid non free software and even have bad thoughts about my cell phone.

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    1. Re:Privacy Maximization by stunt_penguin · · Score: 1

      I won't use Macromedia Flash because it turns the microphone on.

      Bullshit, the mic is set to be off as default, and each .swf that uses the mic or cam must get permission every time.

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    2. Re:Privacy Maximization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...each .swf that uses the mic or cam must get permission every time.

      The same can be said of ActiveX. But as with ActiveX, it really shouldn't have that type of functionality to begin with.

    3. Re:Privacy Maximization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your car, with non-free software in its computers, could suddenly start to go 100 mph for no reason.

    4. Re:Privacy Maximization by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      It cant plug your microphone in though, or turn on a hardware switch on the microphone itself

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  26. whereas by way2trivial · · Score: 2

    I wish it could get it right, and record my "dateline" and not,
    football head baby and big fat cartoon man talking about his ass gas hour...

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  27. Similar tech by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of a past Slashdot story.

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  28. I have tested it by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

    and while whatchine Fox news, I was pointed here: http://tinyurl.com/z9x2y

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    1. Re:I have tested it by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 1

      Joking aside: imagine this as a legit non-marketing use. While watching the news, GoogleSnoop detects some lies being spun by some pundits, and immediatley provides links to opposing viewpoints, definitions, articles of law, or any other silly "facts" the reporter hasn't bothered to research.

      Even from a marketing point of view, imagine if a commercial for "Product X" came on, and suddenly Froogle launched and found the cheapest 10 spots online to go buy it.

      I'm not trying to glaze over the privacy issues; clearly anyone with a desire for privacy will be avoiding this product. However, for those users who don't care, or don't know any better, I see this as a great way to further include Google in their day-to-day lives.

      Oh! One last idea: when it hears some humping going down, it automatically turns off Skype and iChat (my mom has the WORST timing sometimes...

  29. recognizing sound samples by mstrcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't watch TV much, so I could care less about identifying the TV shows. But what I really would like is an app that would accurately identify mp3 files and apply artist, track #, ect. I've tried a few of the availible programs such as Replay Music and their accuracy is horrid. Maybe Google can do it better. Of course the other use I see for this is identifying music in movies and older TV shows. Newer TV shows do a great job of identifying music, but some older shows (season 1 of The Wire) have great music clips that aren't named in the credits.

    1. Re:recognizing sound samples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out iEatBrainz. Not perfect, but the best I've seen.

    2. Re:recognizing sound samples by McCart42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      MusicBrainz is the service you're looking for; it's been around for a few years now and they're just coming out with a new beta for Linux and Windows users alike. Someone already mentioned iEatBrainz, the Mac variant.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MusicBrainz

      http://musicbrainz.org/

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    3. Re:recognizing sound samples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works wonders with Pop songs. Mac users are out of luck trying to submit fingerprints.

      For your large classical collection, FreeDB (or GraceNote) + iTunes is better than going through the collection and adding the missing entries.

      Hopefully, some Mac rippers will use the MusicBrainz info (or Picard will work on Mac. . .) so that the lack of audio fingerprints matters less. (Currently, the few classical entries that exist--after a few years!--usually lack the TRM.)

      For classical, MusicBrainz is not much better than the other services. (Hopefully, MusicBrainz will use an open source fingerprinting solution, or hopefully Python will work well enough with Mac to allow Picard to work soon.)

  30. Its called Shazam by Sanity · · Score: 1

    And the technology it uses is now owned by BMI.

  31. New Concept? by E10Reads · · Score: 1

    They been doing this for years with the microphone in my TV?

  32. Major points to the first person who... by MourningBlade · · Score: 1

    Posts a screenshot with something like:

    You're watching Girls on Girls on Girls on Girls on Goats, #29.
    1. Re:Major points to the first person who... by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 1

      :: underage goat detected ::

      Report to NSA?

      [yes] [no] [cancel] [baaah!]

  33. Peoplemeter? by DaCool42 · · Score: 1

    You mean like peoplemeter? There is an audio version of this for radio as well.

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  34. Can the same system be used to cut out ads? by LM741N · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if a similar system can be used to cut out commercials from TV shows? It would be great to have some system that doesn't rely on anything incredibly sophisticated to accomplish this. Perhaps like tripping on commercial type keywords and then using IR remote to mute the TV or switch it to an usused video input to blank the screen.

    1. Re:Can the same system be used to cut out ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you could hash the original movie/programme data then you would have a dataset that you could statistically compare your sample/signal against it, where its majorly different (ie. ad breaks) they would be easily indentified and removed (like a spectrum analysis but with video+audio as your data source or a diff>signal vs recorded and look at that),
      it could be the perfect advert/glitch removal system if you knew roughly/statisticlly what an originals waveform/video data's looked like, this would only have to be done once then the hash could be distributed globally via p2p, no adverts ever again on that programme or repeat you like

    2. Re:Can the same system be used to cut out ads? by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      to be honest i think i would find watching 5 minutes of blank screen just as annoying as the ads, here in the UK they used to transmit a little grey square at the corner of the screen when the ads were about to come on and you used to be able to get VHSs that could skip the ads that way but I havent noticed it in the alst few years so i dont know if they still work

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  35. FUD Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    it turns the microphone on. [...] all non free software with a microphone can do the same thing

    Please provide specific proof of this claim. Thanks.

  36. Nice, but how about muting commercials? by 0WaitState · · Score: 1

    Rather than "improving" the content of the commercials I see, how about using the technology to recognize and mute commercials that I've previously flagged as either really, really annoying (eg. that oil company's talking cars, which is like being stuck on the subway listening to really stupid people talk about stupid things), or way too loud relative to the actual TV show, or simply shown too many times?

    I, for one, would gladly pay $10 extra per month to have a button on my remote that when pressed kills the audio feed for the currently on-screen commercial now and whenever that commercial comes up again. I wouldn't even mind if a message was sent to the advertiser saying "Hey, somebody is actually paying not to hear your crap". Negative feedback can be a good thing.

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  37. Re:Nielsen by apnielsen · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Portable People Meters belong to Arbitron, not Nielsen Media.

    Not sure about PPM's tech, but Nielsen's A/P meter does exactly what TFA describes. That's the only way Nielsen Media could roll out Time Shifted Viewing at all (disclosure: I work for them). To say that Google "created" it is an insult to the people I work with every day.

    I see a patent suit in Google's future. As much as I hate patents and like Google, I'd like to at least see some full disclosure here. To (erroneously) state one one hand that they invented the technology and then admit (on page 4 of the PDF) that they intend to compete with the actual inventors, they're begging to get sued anyway.

  38. eyes wide shout by NetSettler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    other kinds of ambient noise don't negatively impact its accuracy

    This very statement presupposes that other noise is irrelevant, which seems bogus.
    Snoring is background noise, and suggests non-watching.
    Laughter is background noise, and suggests careful watching.
    Of course, the laughter might not be about what's on TV...

    watch v. tr. 1. To look at steadily; observe, carefully or continuously: watch a parade.
    look v. To employ one's sight, especially in a given direction or on a given object:
    --The American Heritage (R) Dictionary

    It seems to me that watching is an activity involving the eyes and mental processing. It seems to me that audio of what is coming out of the TV is not a statement about either the eyes or about mental processing. This technology of Google's may be an advance in something, but I hope the advertisers paying for this data have their eyes open about the nature of what they are buying because (to re-mix a metaphor) to my eyes this sounds a bit suspect.

    Sociologically, it sounds like a foot in the door to get harmless censors in place. Oops, Freudian slip there. That's sensors, I mean. Google would never involve itself with censorship.

    Once the sensors are in place, when "we" realize that it's not getting "us" the data "we" want, we'll just do a few "harmless" downloads of "upgrades", perhaps causing a minor tweak to look at the video data rather than the audio, or perhaps doing language processing after all, and ... With user-friendly software like this, who needs spyware?

    I also question the claim that because no information is transmitted back to Google that this is the definition of not invading privacy. How is this fundamentally different than the claim that if the police search your house but find nothing, they have not invaded your privacy because they've not placed any record of illegal activity on your permanent record?

    It seems to me that once you place a Turing Machine into someone's environment, capable of doing arbitrary processing, and all it sends is a sanitized report, you have all the mechanism in place for abuse. What if the Turing Machine, capable of arbitrary processing, decides that it doesn't want to send a sanitized report. Who is auditing what is sanitized and what is not?

    What if it turns out to later be possible to lift information from the supposedly cleansed records? Who will audit the use of that data?

    There seem to me to be a lot of slippery slopes here.

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    1. Re:eyes wide shout by Slippy. · · Score: 1

      And my mod points just ran out. Too bad.

      As said, so initially the mic's are exactly what google promises, there are too many concerns with putting in a device conveniently designed to listen, record, and analyze incoming conversation. This is a lot of power to give someone.

      How much do other people -really- value your privacy? Would you listen in, just for a moment, if you could? It's tempting just for curiousity.

      Add a payment for every person who says they like Happy Margarine. Intellectual interest: How many times does "Bush" get mentioned while watching the news?

      It's got a data connection. What happens if this gets broken into?

      So Google doesn't do anything - they're still a company with obligations to their place of business. Law enforcement can quickly change the dynamics. How about the government? The US hasn't been feeling many moral qualms recently while walking over private rights - just the opposite.

      How hard to add a system to trigger on words or phrases? This is the NSA's dream come true. A country-wide, maybe world-wide, built-to-order monitoring system in the open. The biggest system in history. With a massive distributed system of cpu's eliminating a large bulk of the work.

      This is a bad idea. Selling privacy for so much less than it's worth.

      I don't even like ads. *Why* would I give my privacy away for better ads?

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  39. simplier idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't grabbing the title from say the tv guide be a lot simplier and only require a few bytes of data? I would try to impliment that then recording audio, seems like to much hassle and massive computer resources.

  40. implications of information by NetSettler · · Score: 1

    Is THIS why Google has been returning so many porn sites on my searches lately?

    This exposes an example of how even sanitized information is not sanitized. How can you return information on what people are watching and not return at least some very personal information. Of course, some people might say "well, I don't watch that kind of stuff, so I don't mind", but the issue is subtle. First, that attitude leads quickly to an assumption that there are two classes of people: people who don't mind being tracked, and people who like porn. (One sees similar reasoning often used informally about drug screenings--assuming that the people who refuse drug screenings do so "for a reason". Such reasoning is sometims formally forbidden by courts, but I suspect jurors employ such "common sense" reasoning anyway and just don't say they are doing so.) But second, it's not all black and white, like with porn, where we all "know" that porn is Bad and the only Good people are those who don't watch it. (Yes, that remark was tongue in cheek, in case there was any doubt.) If this technology says what you're watching is benign info that violates no privacy, then implicit in that is an assumption that the information about whether you watch Fox News or CNN is not potentially volatile. Who's to say this, or some other such thing, doesn't identify Democrats or whatever. I have little doubt that Homeland Security will be asking for the data just in case they can mine something from it. So the burden seems to me to be on Google to say what data is being transmitted and why they believe that doing so is safe.

    The entire Internet Experiment is mankind's first face-to-face confrontation with the difference between "first-order information" and "the consequences of second-order derived information", and so far I'm not sure that it's at all clear that people understand the implications of information they freely offer, such that I'm not sure it's fair to say that they are, or even can be, giving informed consent. (Of course, that statement itself is subject to the same reasoning, and one doesn't want a paternalistic society that forbids them from engaging in such things either. However, I think on balance one can't say that the Internet has so far erred too far in terms of being conservative about what information is shared and processed, so that I think a few conservative statements of concern are likely to tip the balance away from freedom. At this point, I'm fairly confident in saying that Freedom is more threatened by people giving away information too freely without understanding the consequences than by people being told they cannot or should not. We should, of course, periodically audit the truth of this assumption.)

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  41. Where is that 'do not listen' button by magwm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd hate google desktop (or any other google utilitty) spying on my mic to discover my musical preft or anyting else. no tv in my home, but what about the speed at which i type or the general noise in my home or how often my phone goes off or how hard or long my baby cries.. do not listen on my mic, please: 'click' . imagine how many things can be recorded and easily recognized in a home. and many a pc/laptop/headset has a builtin mic, useful to skype, which can thus be used. horror.

  42. turn your laptop into a visual aid by po_boy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd like to implement something like this for myself, but with conversational noise instead of TV. I sometimes use my laptop as a visual aid during conversations in my living room. If we're talking about a particular topic, I may pull up a relevant wikipedia article, or something like that. I wouldn't mind if this were more automated.

    I can envision running a speech-to-text translator on my laptop mic and then piping that text into my beagle desktop searcher, or maybe even one of those google desktop search tools on windows. I'd rather not send this data to google, for privacy reasons, though.

    I could see this being useful at work, or in a conference or class, too. I could stand to have relevant pieces of notes that I took from previous classes pulled up with my professor mentions a particular topic.

    Anyone know of a tool or project like this?

  43. Big brother...... if you agree to it by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

    Alright, the article says that you need a microphone listening to your TV right? Now, unless Google is sneaking microphones into everyone's homes, the only way you could be spied on is if you agreed to have one placed in your home. If you agree to have one placed in your home, you probably aren't worried about Google spying on you.
    Saying that Google will use this to spy on people is like saying that the NSA will spy on people who email them all of their personal information, daily habits, etc.

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    1. Re:Big brother...... if you agree to it by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      Unless of course you -have- a micrphone already, and install something like google toolbar (or have it pre-installed by Dell, or something). The point is that they wouldn't do this -covertly- (do no evil?), but if they -wanted- to do it (and get clickthrough agreement from the user) they could.

      And if all of a sudden they turned into a spyware corp (not that far off their business model), they may even do it covertly---but that would be the end of Google.

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  44. And what do we get for our involvement? by Slippy. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So to sum this up: I give up my privacy at home. For...better targetted ads?

    I'm very skeptical this wouldn't be abused - if not by Google, then by someone else. And even if this is not abused, I run the risk for what?

    I don't like ads now.

    Everyone who loves the idea of personalized ads, put up your hand!

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  45. Re:Google seem to go out of their way to freak us by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

    I was thinking exactly the same thing. I wonder if eventually we'll see google toolbar unnoticebly turning on microphone to listen in.

    Figuring out TV ratings is an expensive things for corps. Google can get a huge market by automating the job of figuring out whose watching what at any given time---if they can only convince the users to let them (``hey, install this google audio-ad analyzer and get 10 gigs added to your gmail account---and it lets you see tv listings in real time, as well as clips from tv programs'')

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  46. Cool! by dasuridai · · Score: 1
    I think this sounds like a great new tool for enhansing television as a learning tool. Shows like NOW are often telling viewers to log onto the website for additional information. Wouldn't it be nice to simply have the computer pull that info up for you as you watch the program? This could be top down or bottom up, with tv shows creating web pages to be loaded, or a wiki style approach where the viewers themselves suggested links(this would of course be difficult during first broadcasts).

    What's more, from a commercial standpoint, this doesn't have to be directly related to the program at all. Certain inaudable (to the viewer) clips could be inserted into all kinds of programming to trigger a specific function from the computer. Certainly there are privacy ramifications to this, but I think google is doing the right thing by using their creative staff to push the boundary and experiment on projects such as this. YMMV.

  47. Nothing new here by eyal0 · · Score: 1

    Is this something new? At least 3 years ago I was using www.yes.net to get the name of a song on the radio. They've changed their homepage since, probably to commercialize it more, but I used to input my city, the radio station, and the time of day. Their site would display the song that played and offer a link to purchase the disc.

  48. Seen this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Visit: http://www.411song.com/

    You dial the number and play an audio clip. The system recognizes the song and sends you an SMS with information about the song.

  49. Easy task by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    I didn't even RTFA, but from the summary I have an idea on how to implement this idea, it's fairly simple, although it's probably not as computationally efficient as what they came up with, no need to be a great engineer, if you have studied digital signal processing for a few monthes it will be enough.

    So you take that audio clip, and you simply cross-correlate (reverse in the time-domain and convolve) it with your audio data base. The highest peak in your results denote a correlation between the audio clip and a show. The only problem being if the audio clip recorded some blank part in the show. However with this technique even if there's quite some noise in the audio clip or even someone talking over it it's all good.

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  50. too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nearly all desktops don't have built-in microphones and most notebooks don't have them either. Dell decided to remove the microphone in the Latitude D610, while the D600 has one.

  51. A very similar one published in Nov/05 by dclobato · · Score: 1

    There was a paper at Webmedia 2005 describing a system -- deployed in early 2005 -- used for real-time audio finger printing that does the same, AFAIK.

    http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1114223.1114238
    This paper describes a scalable real-time audio fingerprinting system developed by IBOPE Midia for radio and TV broadcast monitoring. A special temporal feature extraction strategy based on the Short-Time Fourier Transform has been designed. When given an input stream to analyse, the system matches it against the database and automatically recognizes instances of the previously registered samples within the input stream. The algorithm exploits the temporal evolution of the signal frequency spectrum in order to identify patterns and produce the final classification. The database is clusterized in order to provide an efficient and scalable search strategy. The system has been assessed using a database containing 393 distinct commercials. A 41-hour audio stream from three different TV channels has been analysed in less than 3 hours, attaining a 95.4% recognition rate.