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Microsoft Clarifies Backward Compatibility Stance

kukyfrope writes "Peter Moore, Head of Interactive Entertainment at Microsoft, has clarified previous comments about gamers not being concerned with backward compatibility on the Xbox 360, claiming his words were 'misconstrued' and reiterating Microsoft's goal to make every Xbox game backward compatible. 'It's quite simply not that we don't care about backward compat[ibility]. Boy, do we care about backward compat[ibility]... We're going to get darn close to that stated goal of every title done,' Moore promised."

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  1. at this rate by underwhelm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope they're working on some universal code that will support a bunch of games with one release. This nickel-dime approach will have them finished with the library in about 2037.

    Meantime, tons of popular XBox games (Platinum Hits) aren't supported on the 360. As far as native games go, if I don't want to have a chick fight, drive, or play a sport, I don't have much reason to turn on my 360 at all.

    Either one would please me: extensive backwards compatibility or a worthwhile native library. Right now the 360 offers neither. I just hope one or the other happens before I get bored with Burnout.

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    1. Re:at this rate by jasko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reasons to turn on your 360?

      Fight Night
      Call of Duty
      Oblivion.

    2. Re:at this rate by Control+Group · · Score: 3, Informative

      I want BC as much as anyone and more than many (my XBox is on indefinite loan to a friend of mine), but don't sell the library of 360-native games quite so short. CoD2, Kameo, Oblivion, and Tomb Raider are all quality titles that don't fall into the categories you named. And if you expand to XBLA, you can toss Geometry Wars, Marble Blast Ultra, and Wik on the list as fantastic games.

      It's not exactly a selection measured in Libraries Of Congress (or even VW Beetles), but there are good games that aren't sports/driving/fighting out there.

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    3. Re:at this rate by Control+Group · · Score: 3, Informative

      Compared to the PS2 at the same point in its life, the 360's game lineup is kick-ass...
      Not to post contrariwise to what I already said in this thread, but - while you're certainly right in terms of native games, the PS2 did have the advantage of playing all (or at least, virtually all) PS1 games. It made the game lineup seem meatier than it actually was, but that's really all that matters: how many (good) games can you sit down at your console and play?

      (Note that this comes from a guy who neither had nor wanted a PS1 or a PS2)

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    4. Re:at this rate by pjotrb123 · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Reasons to turn on your 360?

      I always thought the reasons were...

      No girl
      No friends*
      No life

      * except maybe a few other game addicts (many of which you probably have never met IRL)

      Although in such a case, reasons and consequences usually are hard to distinguish.
      So mod me Flamebait... That does not keep you from knowing it is all too often true!

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    5. Re:at this rate by Kell_pt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Reasons to turn on your 360?

      - You're under 18, and have plenty of spare time
      - Your friends come over and play with you
      - Your girlfriend also plays
      OR
      - You're still learning to handle girls, but can take the distraction

      So, put that in perspective. I was a Spectrum addict when I was 12-16 (and friends came over), I was a 386 addict up to 18, and I'm 28 now, with my 3rd long term relationship (and hopefully the last one) and an healthy dose of attempts in between.

      Playing games is good for you. :)

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    6. Re:at this rate by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can't really claim PS1 games as part of the PS2 library. Those games were older releases that we'd been able to play for years already on the Playstation. Every single person I knew that bought a Playstation 2 already owned the Playstation 1, so all the backwards compatibility did was allow us to put the PS1 in storage, effectively just making the entertainment center less cluttered (I also liked the tray of the PS2 compared to the lid of the PS1, as you can squeeze it into a smaller space since the lid didn't need to open up). With this in mind, backwards compatibility was certainly a welcomed addon by me, but it certainly didn't have any effect in my buying the system.

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  2. YES!! by d-fi.nz · · Score: 2, Funny

    All my old Xbox games should be playable on the Xbox 360 by 2015..... maybe

  3. Re:Emulation? by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative
    couldn't something be done similar to how pirates create those emulation programs to play snes, etc onto a computer? Or is the architecture so complex that such a one-to-one conversion isn't possible.

    That, and large parts of the classic Xbox architecture are patented by NVIDIA, which is unwilling to license them to Microsoft for use in an ATI based console at any price short of 51 percent of market cap. Besides, do you see working PS2, GameCube, or Xbox emulators on modern PCs? Emulation generally needs a gap of two console generations to work well, outside of special cases that can be high-level-emulated. Microsoft's goal in Xbox-on-360 emulation is to make each game such a special case.

  4. Short version... by larsoncc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Major Nelson's interview of Peter Moore said that they were essentially looking to provide more updates in the next week, and that two of the new titles for backCompat would be Lego Star Wars and Doom 3. There will be about 20 titles in this update.

    1. Re:Short version... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but I bet they'll never fix the compatibility for Chocalate Star Wars.

      That's OK, I can never find a retailer that carries it.

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  5. Re:Emulation? by iknowrobocop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is the snes really comparable to an Xbox? The super nintendo had very limited hardware and it still took a good while for a decent emulator to come along. We're 15 years out of the release of the SNES now and there are still some things that the best emulators don't do (see Wikipedia on Snes9x). The Xbox is more complex and the games work in quirky ways that make a catch-all solution impossible. That's why you hear about Sony considering putting actual PS2 hardware in the PS3 rather than going the emulation route...

  6. Re:Emulation? by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wtf? mame developers and such are not pirates. Gotta love those tar brushes. You stocked up on feathers?

  7. Does backwards compatability = Recompile? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The mere fact that games are being handled on a case by case basis implies that it is a re-engineering of the original code to produce a new port of the game.
    Similar to the Linux ports of Doom and stuff (port the engine, use the graphics from the original disc)

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    1. Re:Does backwards compatability = Recompile? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The doom3 "patch" required to run on linux is about 16MB (450MB for the demo which includes maps and textures)
      Older versions of the port stand at about 8MB.

      Many games actually need very little in the way of code, the greatest majority of the game comes from the textures and meshes which populate the worlds.

      Remember, most modern games are based upon still valid functioning code from easily 20 years ago, the algorythms haven't changed much at all, the rules are still in place.

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  8. "concerned" = "worried about" || "care" by Deathbane27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, to clarify the clarification...

    What he meant was that they weren't worried about BC.

    What people thought he meant was that they don't care about BC.

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  9. Re:Emulation? by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Besides, do you see working PS2, GameCube, or Xbox emulators on modern PCs?

    Yes.

    The compatability isn't there, but unlike Microsoft, unofficial emulator developers don't have specs and have to reverse engineer things. The speed is there though. Your generation generalization is really not a factor this time, since processor speeds grew by a signifigantly higher factor than they did during any previous console generation.

    I think you would probably be surprised how few special cases Microsoft has in their Xbox emulator. Xbox just isn't that powerful or complex by today's standards, and the 360 is really well suited to emulating it. The troubles they are having with emulation right now are probably because they took a bunch of high-level shortcuts to get the product done quickly, and now they are busy replacing that code with general purpose code that accuratly provides low level emulation.

  10. Re:Emulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    spoken like someone who doesn't own a 360. If you read up on the whole BC thing, you'll find that most games ARE special cases, which is why the emulation list is 200 some games long whereas the list of xbox titles is closer to the 600-800 title range...

  11. Re:Emulation? by matlhDam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fairness, the core of the SNES has been well emulated for years; the problem's long been with the various support chips that came on the game cartridges themselves. At least with the Xbox you know what hardware's in there and that the games aren't being supplied with different hardware to emulate.

  12. Re:Nostalgia? by drewmca · · Score: 2, Funny

    But barbie horse adventures and kabuki warriors are backwards compatible! It's true!