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Microsoft's New Linux-Based Wireless Network

MECC points to an article about Microsoft's new wireless network. From the article "The next time Bill Gates sends an e-mail through Microsoft's shiny new Wireless LAN it will be passed through a behind-the-scenes Linux-based network appliance." Microsoft has partnered with Aruba Networks for a large corporate wireless LAN deployment, involving 277 buildings and 5000 access points, 'all Linux based.'"

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  1. wait by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If their operating system is soooo great for servers, routers, etc, why don't they use it in their own business?

    1. Re:wait by Volante3192 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simply a temporary measure until access points advance in power enough for Windows WAP.

      The current hurdle is getting the HD space to store the UPnP Aero interface.

    2. Re:wait by IdleTime · · Score: 4, Informative
      Didn't we hate IBM once, too?
      Not you my son, you weren't born yet....

      But yes, IBM was hated but for total different reasons than MS is. Take a look at the history of Amdahl to see how the HW area was and then look at IBM's pricing back in thiose days. The first laser printer I worked with was rented from IBM for approx $15000/month and we managed to burn 3 of them down to the ground. Oh and they were huge! IBM was a financial vaccum cleaner, people wanted alternatives, IBM didn't.
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    3. Re:wait by toleraen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I worked at a fast food joint, we still had pizza/subs/etc ordered in. Just because you produce a certain product doesn't mean you'll never go to the competition.

    4. Re:wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Would there be a headline saying "CEO of United Airlines chooses El Al for flights to Israel?" No, there wouldn't. So what's the big deal?



      Its a big deal because the CEO of United Airlines did not run a marketing FUD campaign to discredit El Al, nor did he hire scum like Bill Hilf to spew the same FUD in the media, nor did he use another airline to sue El Al on bogus patent dispute grounds. You get the picture.

    5. Re:wait by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or of course there's the contractual stipulation that any software developed on their mainframes (back in the day) was the property of IBM. IBM used to be the enemy, it's true; today we should all be congratulating them for coming SO FAR. From "your source is my source" to "open source"... IBM is the closest thing I have to a favorite corporation.

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    6. Re:wait by Phillup · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps the "facts" are different when it is your wallet the money is coming out of...

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  2. The right tool for the job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks like Microsoft understands something the majority of slashdot's users have trouble with.

  3. Visionary by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    What are you talking about? Gates has left Microsoft to go head up Novell. Where he's spearheading their new Vista wireless network system to challenge the Microsoft monopoly.

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  4. What choice do they have by MrRuslan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well what choice do they have when it comes to imbedded wireless APS. They can't put windows on one and not make it a full blown box sitting there wasting space and resources. This time it will be harder to eat their own dog food because if they end up making there own custom APS based on windows as a sort hey look what our stuff can do maneuver that would be labeled as stupid.

    1. Re:What choice do they have by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      NT/embedded doesn't even require that you use the GUI. It's also used successfully within the Xbox (Based on win2k) and the Xbox's OS was ported to the Xbox 360, which as you likely know is a triple-PowerPC system. Obviously NT is still portable, even after it's been hacked to run on the Xbox :) NT/embedded is used all over the damned place. And, if they wanted, they could also go with WinCE, although I'm not sure why they would - but it's a complete, working multitasking OS.

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  5. Does it really matter what it runs ? by nomad63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as microsoft is concerned, they are buying an appliance to provide a dedicated service. As any profit minded company, they should not care what it runs behind the scenes as long as TCO is low on the long run. And linux is known to be a robust OS in the embedded OS arena. So most probably it will run without any problems, meaning less out of pocket costs for m$. What do they care ? Also, they do not have any expertise in networking hardware arena, so it is not against their motto of not to use a product from the competition. I am not sure what's newsworthy about this story ? Slow Friday may be ?

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    1. Re:Does it really matter what it runs ? by ratboy666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft sells routers and access points. Microsoft produces an OS that is claimed to be usable as a commercial embedded system for routers. Doesn't that give them experience in the "networking hardware arena"?

      Microsoft continually harps on "TCO" issues (Windows vs. Linux). Are you then claiming that the "TCO" for Windows/CE is higher than Linux?

      And, just a final question: What Microsoft competitor are you talking about?

      Ratboy

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    2. Re:Does it really matter what it runs ? by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LAMP has a lower TCO than Windows/IIS/SQL Server/.NET, even when the cost of software licenses is dropped to zero, yet they run their sites on their own software. Linux file servers can run more efficiently on less hardware than Windows file servers, yet they use Windows file servers. SVN is far more flexible than VSS yet their developers use VSS. Their motto is to eat their own dog food. Yet this time they didn't swallow it.

    3. Re:Does it really matter what it runs ? by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You bring up a very interesting point mentioning TCO. When both products' software is free (Since Windows is free to Microsoft) which one do you choose?

  6. Outdated by tekisama · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is old news. When my organization was looking at managed wireless vendors a year ago we did an eval of Aruba and they were already bragging about getting the Microsoft account.

    That said we didn't go with Aruba, mostly because their pricing was pretty Microsoft-esque. In other words, worse than a prison shower.

  7. I'm confused by Cytlid · · Score: 4, Funny

    So is it ... "The power of Linux brought to you by Microsoft." or

      "The power of Microsoft brought to you by Linux." ???

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  8. Ballmer banned iPods + Google: why not? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 4, Insightful
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_a rchive/2006/04/03/8373041/index.htm

    Ballmer doesn't let his kids use Google or iPods. I don't find it so farfetched that Microsoft might have at least a slight bias towards wanting their employees to use their own products, both as a matter of company pride and as a matter of "dog food"--the more people in the company who use a product, the more bugs get squashed before the product gets released.

  9. Re:Irony? by Guanix · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows Embedded. Used for all kinds of devices, including cars, network attached storage, cash registers, phones and thin clients. And according to this page at MSDN, Windows Embedded OS's can act as an access point, though nobody seems to have built a product around this yet.

  10. Re:Sheesh by djrogers · · Score: 4, Informative
    Is Microsoft supposed to have a "WINDOWS ONLY LOL ROXR" policy on any electronic device down the copy machines?
    Actually, as someone who is currently working with MS as a potential customer, this *is* a big deal. MS does have a very strong bias and written policies about using Windows everywhere they can. I could point to several compromises thay've had to make to do this as well, but I like my job. If a project/product cannot be done with windows, it can be justified anyway, but it's an uphill battle. In most cases, the fact that an appliance runs Linux makes it an even harder battle - things like switches/routers etc that run RTOSs like VxWorks get by with no problems, but throw in a management or monitoring solution based on linux and your job is much much harder.
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  11. Re:Sheesh by Cleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's really very simple. Microsoft has been talking smack about Linux for years, about how Windows is better, lower TCO, etc. Now they've been caught using Linux-based appliances.

    If nothing else, it's funny. It's like an environmentalist ranting and raving about SUVs driving the environment until someone points out, "dude, you're driving a Hummer."

    Essentially, Microsoft's rhetoric HAS been "windows only lol r0xr." Now they have to eat a little crow.

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  12. What for? by Efialtis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was at MS, they were installing a huge wireless network in all the buildings...when I left, it was something like 90% done...
    SO my question is, if they already have a wireless network, and I know they do...why are they installing another one? Or is it really that they are UPGRADING the existing one...???

    Either way, this would make the 2nd Linux installation that I know of over at MS...they have (or had) a set of servers over in building 43 that contained, "sensitive, critical data" that they couldn't (wouldn't??) trust to Windows Server...

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  13. Wait, I'm confused ... by Keyslapper · · Score: 4, Funny
    So, who exactly is getting assimilated?

    I can just see Linus' avatar now ...

    We Are PENGUIN,
    All Your WAN Are Belong To Us.
  14. History says otherwise by pardasaniman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is that why they had to put so much time energy and money to convert Hotmail away from BSD?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/08/01/ms_hotmail _servers_begin_switch/

  15. Holy smokes, Bullwinkle! by HardCase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    April 11, 2005? You've got to be kidding me!

    -h-

  16. A lot of posts miss the point by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of you are missing the point. For most instances it's about saving money. But sometimes there are public appearance issues that are more important than immediate cost. By using a direct competitor's product, you are admitting your competiting product is not only inferior, but so vastly inferior that free licenses and free in-house support are still not enough to use it. This hurts sales of that product long term. Even if using your own stuff costs more now, you hope that saving face and eating your own dog food will result in sales that make up for it. Microsoft has no equivalent to Cisco's IOS. However, they have an embedded version of windows that is poised directly at linux. And the real news of this is that Microsoft has been so vapidly against linux. I mean they have fought dirty and mean and lied through their teeth. Now this product they have utter distain for is aparently vastly superior to one of their products? Kinda a big kick in the nuts if you ask me. They probably should have just stayed with Cisco and saved themselves the embarassment. It makes them look foolish.

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  17. Re:Perhaps it's their real strategy... by ratboy666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just the first link I found...

    http://www.californiacomputer.com/Shop/product.asp ?catalog_name=CaliforniaComputer&category_name=&pr oduct_id=R84-00001&cookie_test=1

    google for "Microsoft router"

    "Microsoft 54G Wireless Base Station
    Includes a 4-port 10/100 Ethernet switch 802.11g technology, transfer data up to 54Mbps Smart Windows CE-powered expandable platform Interoperable with 2.4GHz wireless frequency (11 Mbps and 54 Mbps) Backwards compatible Built-in firewall protection 256-bit Wi-Fi protected access"

    So, as you can see, not only is it a Microsoft branded wireless router; it is based on Windows/CE.

    That covers both of my points.

    Ratboy

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  18. changing minds by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've noticed clients are now getting some enjoyment out of exchange after I installed linux+postfix mail firewalls in front of them. It kind of feels bad. I think they are going to forget the reason why stuff is now working. I know their boss'n are ignorant of the reason. But anyway, maybe Microsoft wants to see this "improvement" for themselves.

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