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Dealing with Phishing

Apu writes "SecurityFocus has published an interesting interview with Rachna Dhamija, co-author of the paper 'Why Phishing Works' and creator of Dynamic Security Skins (a plugin for Mozilla). She presented some very interesting results from her research efforts, for example 'simply showing a user's history information ("you've been to this website many times" or "you've never submitted this form before") can significantly increase a user's ability to detect a spoofed website and reduce their vulnerability to phishing attacks.' She also suggested to 'make it easy for users to personalize their interfaces. Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are — users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces. We can take advantage of this fact to build spoof resistant interfaces.'"

168 comments

  1. PDF, Not Plugin Link by christopherfinke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Readers should note that the "Dynamic Security Skins" link goes to a PDF, not a plugin (as I expected).

    1. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by aymanh · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is why I use the TargetAlert Firefox extension, it adds icons next to links indicating the files or effects they lead to.

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    2. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by aymanh · · Score: 5, Informative

      By the way, I've just noticed that the version available at Mozilla Add-Ons isn't compatible with Firefox 1.5, however, the one available at the author's homepage is, sorry for that.

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    3. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I just installed on 1.5.0.4/win and it doesn't work. At all. I sent the author an email already.

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    4. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. completely nonfunctional on 1.5.0.4 here.

    5. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by johnkoer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you configure it?

      I didn't see it the first time I reset firefox. I played with some of the settings, restarted Firefox again and it was working.

      But after getting it working, it is a pretty neat addin.

    6. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Well, I haven't restarted firefox twice yet. Maybe I'll try that :P

      Actually, if that's the fix, now that I think of it, it wouldn't be the first time. Greasemonkey didn't work until after two restarts.

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    7. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      works on 1.5.0.2/Vista!

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    8. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Informative

      Firefox 1.5.0.4 - works just fine after restarting...

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  2. Unpredictable by neonprimetime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only thing an attacker can't simulate is an interface he can't predict.

    This will be the key when designing sites in the future.

    1. Re:Unpredictable by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...coming soon! a ubersecure site that uses Arcnet for its internal network and a small IPX/SPX DMZ! Then every odd week, we switch it all to AppleTalk internally and Banyan VINES in the DMZ - they'll never see it coming!

      (Of course, no one will ever be able to get anything done, but the geek factor would be impressive if you could actually make a 'musical protocols' plan work...)

      /P

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    2. Re:Unpredictable by MrSquirrel · · Score: 1

      So... should we look to sceneagers' (scenester teenagers) myspace pages for some examples? The future of web design!!!... it hurts my eyes :(

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    3. Re:Unpredictable by curecollector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some sites have started to adopt a similar approach, albeit not to such an extent. Bank of America, for example, asks for your login on their front page, which then forwards you to a separate page, displaying a user-selected icon (chosen from maybe 20 choices, if memory serves), and then asking for your password. Still, it's not perfect as your account number/login is typically your ATM/debit card number...

    4. Re:Unpredictable by OurCompliments · · Score: 3, Funny
      sceneagers

      Can I pay you to never say that word again?

    5. Re:Unpredictable by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      You mean sceneagers?

      Of course you can pay me never ever to mention sceneagers again.

      Lemme see...

      1. Put sceneagers in your sig.
      2. Demand money to remove them.
      3. ??? (Obligatory)
      4. Profit!!11threepluseight

      Better than the bunny.

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    6. Re:Unpredictable by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why does this remind me of FaceXpaces?

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    7. Re:Unpredictable by wordsofwisedumb · · Score: 1
      The only thing an attacker can't simulate is an interface he can't predict. This will be the key when designing sites in the future.

      That explains this:

      Readers should note that the "Dynamic Security Skins" link goes to a PDF, not a plugin (as I expected).
    8. Re:Unpredictable by sconeu · · Score: 1

      So, Stef, you paid off Mike?

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    9. Re:Unpredictable by octaene · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you've seen examples of this before. If you're a Linux or Mac user, I'm sure you've seen pop-up windows or advertisements that feature the default Microsoft XP blue window manager colors with the red X for 'closing' the Window (which is just like a window.close statement)...

    10. Re:Unpredictable by tylernt · · Score: 2, Interesting
      displaying a user-selected icon
      Heck, why not allow a user to upload their own image (perhaps even a photo of themselves). If you store the image on the legitimate website's server, even a phisher exploiting a UI, browser, or cookie vulnerability wouldn't fool the user.
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    11. Re:Unpredictable by redcane · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and they're usually telling me my windows registry is corrupt!!! And I need to download (insert name of crapware) to fix it..... Oh noes!!! what will my debian machine do without an intact windows registry!!!

    12. Re:Unpredictable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly what my bank http://www.alliance-leicester.co.uk/ did recently when they upgraded their online banking.

      They had a user choose from a selection of images and then had them enter a unique phrase. After the user has entered their online banking number and clicked next, they will be transported to the next page where it shows them their unique picture and phrase before they enter their 5 digit code and voila, the user knows that they're at the proper site.

      Any flaws with this that anyone can spot?

  3. Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can agree that while something like this could help those who are not knowledgable about such things in the digital world, I wonder if perhaps we should be taking steps back to make sure people actually stay informed of such dangers.

    For example, I'm creating the front-end for an application and one of the requests was that we build in such things as making sure "male connectors" on parts don't get matched up with other "male connectors", since logically only "female connectors" should work anyway. Now its no real sweat off my back, but it made me think where is the line between common sense and ignorance?

    1. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To go a slight step further minutes after posting this, does it seem like more and more programs are doing things for us, perhaps without our knowledge? I take for example Xbox 360 games updater: it tells you there's an update, you update it while looking at a little progress bar, and then its done and you play the game again. I for one really want to know what updates there were, at least the significant ones. It would be nice to know if a certain bug that plagued me before was fixed, or if content was added/changed so I can proceed to take advantage of it.

      Are people so content with blind usability of their devices?

    2. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > For example, I'm creating the front-end for an application and one of the requests was that we build in such things as making sure "male connectors" on parts don't get matched up with other "male connectors", since logically only "female connectors" should work anyway. Now its no real sweat off my back, but it made me think where is the line between common sense and ignorance?

      The line between common sense lies somewhere between here and LA County.

      I'm just saying that with diversity industry going ballistic over the use of terms like "master" and "slave" in the context of IDE channels, you're pushing it when you use terms like "male" and "female" connectors... and you're really putting your contract on the line (anywhere other than Texas or Utah) when you not only use the terms "male" and "female", but actively attempt to design systems in which male connectors "don't get matched up with other male connectors".

      In terms of user ignorance, there's truly no point in trying to educate anymore.

    3. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Are people so content with blind usability of their devices?
      Why yes, yes they are.

      To most users out there, their devices are just blackbox tools. As long as the output is what's expected, they could care less what the updates are doing, or what their device is doing. Note that this is very much what software/hardware companies aim for -- "it just works."

      That's how you separate the geeks from the boys (not with a crowbar, as has been joked) -- who wants to know what's going on there (and is willing to spend the time to find out), and who is content just playing their game.
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    4. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by Bob3141592 · · Score: 1

      I for one really want to know what updates there were,

      For every one who really wants to know, there are a hundred who don't care/wouldn't understand anyway.

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    5. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's how you separate the geeks from the boys (not with a crowbar, as has been joked)

      Greeks. You're thinking Greeks and boys.

      Ancient Greeks that is, you know Sparta and catamites and all that. Your average modern Greek is a fairly religious fellow who frowns on that sort of thing (at least in public, unless there are no women left in the bar at closing time.)

      The More You Know(tm)

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    6. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Whoooooosh. :)

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    7. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      You can do it with a crowbar as well. The geeks are the ones thinking of Gordon Freeman.

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    8. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      For example, I'm creating the front-end for an application and one of the requests was that we build in such things as making sure "male connectors" on parts don't get matched up with other "male connectors"

      Not that theres anything wrong with that...

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  4. Security Skin by christopherfinke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looking through the PDF linked, I see that the plugin uses some visual hashes as browser backgrounds in trusted situations, but I wonder if there is an anti-phishing extension that would alter the color of the main background of the browser chrome for possible phishing sites. For example, a light-green would be trusted, but variations through a fire-engine red would indicate a possible phishing attempt.

    1. Re:Security Skin by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Informative

      Certain colors have common associations in society, such as red with warning or green with go. Use these color associations to illustrate your point, but proceed with caution, because these associations can differ depending on the nationality of the audience.

      http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010 120721033.aspx

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    2. Re:Security Skin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      From your f****** MSFT link above...

      Was this information helpful? Yes, No, I don't know

      I clicked on "I don't know" ...
      and it asked me ... "What are you trying to do?" ...
      and I entered "I don't know" ...
      and it responded ... "We appreciate your feedback."

      Thank you Microsoft.

  5. it doesnt help when by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    legit companies send out emails like this and confuse customers. This is from Capital One I got yesterday. Didn't open it at first cause of the url and domain. > bfi0.com Turns out it legit and Capital one uses Bigfoot as their mail server.

    Capital One(R)--what's in your wallet?(R)

    Your Capital One statement is ready.

    RE: Your account ending in 0000

    Your current Capital One statement is now available for viewing online. Simply log in to Online Account Services and click the My Statement tab.

    Log in now at http://capitalone.bfi0.com/

    Is all your information reaching you?

    To help ensure this time-sensitive message reaches your inbox each month, add the Capital One address that appears in the "From" line above to your electronic address book. This is especially important if you or your service provider use e-mail filters.

    Use our web site as a resource for information and to access a variety of consumer lending products and special services. Add http://capitalone.bfi0.com/ to your bookmarks, so you can come back easily and often.

    Thanks for using Capital One's Online Account Services.

    Important Information from Capital One

    This e-mail was sent to me@mydomains.com and contains information directly related to your account with us, other services to which you have subscribed, and/or any application you may have submitted.

    The site may be unavailable during normal weekly maintenance or due to unforeseen circumstances.

    Capital One and its service providers are committed to providing meaningful privacy protection for their customers. To protect your privacy, please do not send sensitive account information through e-mail. For information on our privacy policy or how to contact us, please visit our web site at http://capitalone.bfi0.com/

    If you are not a Capital One customer and believe you received this message in error, please notify us by responding to this e-mail.

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    1. Re:it doesnt help when by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting
      > legit companies send out emails like this and confuse customers. This is from Capital One I got yesterday. Didn't open it at first cause of the url and domain. > bfi0.com Turns out it legit and Capital one uses Bigfoot as their mail server.

      And this, kids, is why you should never outsource your email.

      In some small way, I may have helped. Back in the dark ages, my broker did this -- outsourced some of their customer communications to the m0.net (Digital Impact) mainsleaze spamhaus. I wrote 'em a very sharply worded letter to the effect that if they couldn't run something as simple as a mail server, why should I have any faith that they were any more capable of running the web servers that handled my trading requests.

      (And what is it with the meta-rule, which seems to be that any domain ending in 0.com or 0.net, is a mainsleaze spammer. m0.net, bfi0.com, and I'm sure there are more out there...)

      The letter also included some of the other spew (honest-to-God spam, as opposed to ostensibly solicited customer communications from an organization with which I had an ongoing business relationship) I'd gotten through m0.net, and explained that as a result, I'd pre-emptively marked all mail originating from that domain as "spam", and that my broker was lucky that I periodically checked my filtered spam to see if any false positives had leaked through.

      I wasn't the only customer to flame them, because a year or so later, I noticed that my broker was able to email me again, and that they were doing so from a mail server in a netblock owned by them, and with proper DNS registration.

      Now that Capital One is in the process of digesting North Fork Bancorp, perhaps both COF and NFB executives could do with a little similar education. My broker got a polite snail-mail flame because it was 1999 and they had an excuse for not knowing any better. There's no excuse in 2006.

    2. Re:it doesnt help when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, I guess we know what's in your wallet.

    3. Re:it doesnt help when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this kind of stupidity from several sites, including Capital One. I complained to them about it (as well as several unrelated, but equally stupid interface issues). I might as well have been talking to a brick wall. They don't get it.

      I responded by taking my business elsewhere. So long, Capital One.

    4. Re:it doesnt help when by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about you but all my capitalone emails link to email.capitalone.com your getting screwed :)

    5. Re:it doesnt help when by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      And it's so legit it now gives a blank page to firefox.

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    6. Re:it doesnt help when by tedhiltonhead · · Score: 1

      Capital One, and everyone else, should either links to the company's known homepage, or to an https:/// address. This way, the end-user can easily verify the link's legitimacy. There is no reason for Capital One to send their e-mails' links through the bfi0.com domain.

    7. Re:it doesnt help when by fermion · · Score: 1
      The security problem has much to do with marketing. Banks made a number of critical mistakes when they first started online banking, mostly having to do with using email as a semi-secure communication link. I would recieve emails from my bank, and would write back asking how I knew it was from then and not a third party. They said the email.

      But really banks have been compromising customer security to maximize profits for years. For instance, banks will license thier logo to third parties for advertisements purposes. When one calls the bank and ask about this, they say they have nothing to do with it. Well, does that mean the third party is illigally using your logo and my information?

      The only thing that has saved these institution is the US federal mail fraud laws and the cost of postage. I could have 20 years ago sent an official looking mail from some bank to 10,000 people saying they had to reactivate the account, along with a bogus 800 number. The scam would have probably netted 1 hit in 10,000, but it would have cost at leat $10,000 to run, and the feds would have been on my ass.

      Financial instutions were slow to realize the security issues, and still want to maximize profit more than anything else. The current issue with phisshing is just a symptom of the general lack of consideration form the customer, which is really our fault. How many of us pay for bank service? We are really exchanging our willing to see advertising in exchange for a service, and so I guess we really can't complian about the situation. There are still problems, like banks losing data about customers that have not been with them for a couple years.

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    8. Re:it doesnt help when by leenks · · Score: 1

      How many of us pay for bank service? We are really exchanging our willing to see advertising in exchange for a service, and so I guess we really can't complian about the situation.

      Umm, I think pretty much all of us pay for our bank services, or do you not ever get charged interest on mortgages, loans, overdrafts, credit cards, currency conversions, bankers drafts, etc? Or how about getting a much lower rate of interest on your savings than the bank makes on lending that money out.

      The banks fleece their customers big time, and then try and blame all the fraud on them. Unfortunately all the banks operate in the same way, and since for most people it is impossible to get by without a bank account, we are stuck with it. :(

  6. Drive-by-downloads by Itninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So this may help one realized that they are not on the actual Paypal/Citibank/Ebay site, and they can leave before they enter their personal information. But many phishing sites have already done their damage by that time, via a drive-by-download; install all forms of malware and spyware in just a few seconds.

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    1. Re:Drive-by-downloads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloads and installs don't occur (especially from untrusted domains) without first prompting the user for permission. So how would this so-called drive-by-download happen? Sounds like you're a little more afraid than necessary...

    2. Re:Drive-by-downloads by Itninja · · Score: 1

      Untrue. Drive by downloads are a real problem for many (if not most) IE users. If a malicious site is coded just right, no user interaction is needed to install.

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  7. Mozilla, take note: by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    for example 'simply showing a user's history information ("you've been to this website many times" or "you've never submitted this form before") can significantly increase a user's ability to detect a spoofed website and reduce their vulnerability to phishing attacks.

    Hey, this is a really really good idea. Microsoft, Opera Team, and Mozilla should take note!

  8. The more you think you know... by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good interview, bringing up sound points on the vulnerability of users to electronic attacks. Social Engineering (aka BSing the operator) has been around forever as a valuable tool in any attacker's arsenal.

    The problem with a security-minded addon is, most appropriately, whether or not a user will bother to employ it. I can see multiple websites deploying the server side of DSS, but I can see all but a small niche of users not installing the client side, instead relying on their own (generally wrong) assumption that they don't need it. And how long until Microsoft implements its own (propietary, closed-source) 'solution'? How long until it's on and enabled by default on the majority browser? Even then, are we (the idiot users) going to pay attention to the glaring signposts or allow ourselves to be fooled?

    Only time will tell, I think... and yet I still believe that Social Engineering (and Reverse Social Engineering) are going to be with us on the electronic environment forever.

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  9. GMail's filters failing? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Over the past 3 or so weeks I have noticed that the number of phishing emails coming to my slashdot email account that are not caught by the spam filter have increased about 300%.

    Is google getting worse or are they getting better?

    1. Re:GMail's filters failing? by winnabago · · Score: 1

      I thought GMail used a social network based filter (flagging) in addition to traditional methods, where spam/phish that was marked by enough users was weeded out for the rest of us. Perhaps you are among the first on certain mass mailing lists and aren't benefitting?

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    2. Re:GMail's filters failing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Me too, and not just English spam... I get it in Spanish, Japanese, and Chinese. Sometimes, they come with nice pictures. One of the Chinese ones was for a $400, 6" long dildo...

      At least thats what I think it was. It looked like a dildo, and it said 6" and $400.

      I also get lots of 419s, but never any from Nigeria.

    3. Re:GMail's filters failing? by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google's filter (like any good spam filter) is adaptive. Spammers/phishers figure out a way to get their stuff through, a bunch of people mark it as spam/phishing and the filter learns that those messages are spam/phishing. You'll probably see the exact same messages hitting your spam box in a couple weeks.

  10. Not really going to work by Jimmy+King · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While this may sound like a good idea at first, why would it work? The majority of people who would know about such a feature, especially if it's a third party downloadable plugin, and then make use of it, are not generally going to be the type of people to be fooled by phishing attempts and unable to recognize the basic things tested for in this study. On top of that, given most people's understanding of computers and the internet and web, I feel pretty safe saying that if your average person was using such a tool and then loaded a phishing site, their thought would not be "oh, this must be a phishing site" it would be "oh, my skin didn't load for some reason." and then probably continue on.

    The problem is not a lack of tools out there. The problem is a lack of understanding. We've got millions of people who don't understand the basics of computers on a public, anonymous, worldwide network who are essentially network/server administrators, as far their home pc is concerned. To make it worse, most people not only don't understand, but don't want to understand.

    1. Re:Not really going to work by iso · · Score: 1

      A knoweledgable person could install this on friend/relative's computer you realize.

    2. Re:Not really going to work by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

      And then do you think that friend/family member is going to make use of it after it's installed? Do you think that if they even notice the website did not load with their skin, it will stop them from continuing? You have a good bit more faith in the general population than I do if you think they will. These are the same people that open random attachments after having been told not to thousands of times, don't look at the url in websites after being told to or possibly don't even know to, and run XP with an administrator account. I don't see any reason to think that one more tool available to them, which they probably don't understand how it works to start with, is going to make a difference.

    3. Re:Not really going to work by freedomwrangler · · Score: 1

      True, there's a lack of understanding but that does not mean developers need to stop developing ways to fight spam/phishing/malware. This is a great example of innovation that may lead to another great example of innovation that may not require much understanding by Joe and Joanne Internet.

    4. Re:Not really going to work by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

      True, people shouldn't stop developing the software if that's what they want to do. Someone will find it useful and in the case of this software, is certainly a neat idea. I just don't think this is the end of phishing problems, or even the beginning of the end of phishing problems, for the common user and shouldn't be touted as such. Anyone who thinks it is needs sent back to their local helpdesk/phone support for 6 months to get back in touch with the public.

    5. Re:Not really going to work by asuffield · · Score: 1

      The problem is a lack of understanding. We've got millions of people who don't understand the basics of computers on a public, anonymous, worldwide network who are essentially network/server administrators, as far their home pc is concerned. To make it worse, most people not only don't understand, but don't want to understand.

      The problem is that people are allowed to control a dangerous vehicle in public spaces without any form of training. Ineffective as they are, driving tests at least ensure that people know which side of the road you should be on. We shouldn't let the use computers on public networks without a similar level of testing.

    6. Re:Not really going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just online. I was called for jury duty. They asked you to fill in, and mail back, answers to a long list of questions. Your spouse's name, have you been convicted of a felony, are you taking any drugs. _Many_ personal questions. There was NO indication of what the information could be used for and who would have access to it. This is information you wouldn't give to a website without reading the privacy statement twice and having a GOOD reason to do it. And websites don't usually have ready access to murderers.

      When I asked for documentation as to why this information was being collected and who could access it, I was told that I should fill in the questions I felt comfortable with. So I just signed the bottom.

      The other 100 sheep in the room had all filled in the forms without asking why the information was being collected.

      If you don't get at least this much in the real world, what chance do you have online?

    7. Re:Not really going to work by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      OT: Did you get selected, or did you get marked down as a troublemaker?

  11. Awareness is more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It seems obvious from this article that teaching people about computer scams and making them aware of tricks such as phishing is the only way to foil these types of attacks. The phishing sites in the study didn't even use technological foolery, yet they still managed to fool most of the users. This shows that no amount of advanced anti-phishing technology in the browser will help more than simple education and very obvious cues that a site could be faked. Popups and dialog boxes don't work because in modern computing they have become somewhat of a false alarm - a dialog box warns you of something and you close it immediately because it is irrelevant. The only way to really utilize the browser's anti-phishing technology is to have a very visible notice that a site could be faked, such as putting a big notice right in front of the page, etc. Fundamentally, phishing is a form of social engineering combined with technological tricks, and the social aspect of the problem must be approached to help solve the problem.

  12. Bad analogy by KerberosKing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thought that an average user will personalize their web interface like they personalize their celll phone doesn't fly with me. If that were true, we would see copies of Tweak UI on a lot more wintel boxes. Everyday people would be replacing the explorer shell with LightStep. I don't see that happening. About the most personalization I have seen is people putting up a picture of their girlfriend or baby up as desktop wallpaper. Geeks use custom tools, but most geeks are savvy enough about phishing to not fall for it.

    1. Re:Bad analogy by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Moreover personalized web pages can only start after you logged in (because only then the server will know whose personalized look it shall display). But at that time, you already have typed your password or PIN.

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    2. Re:Bad analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alright, so you have a two-phase login, with a semi-private username and password to get to your main portal, where the worst a phisher could do is mess with your personalization options (and the bank could send you an email notifying you that changes were made to your personalization options) and from their your actual account and transaction information hides behind another layer of username and password protection.

      actually that's kind of icky, and you'd have to force uniqueness between the two layers or everyone would make them the same because they're lazy. ='(

      oh, and gp: cell-phones come with the tools for customization; if tweakui came on a fresh xp install people would certainly use it. the problem is neither the amount of tools or the capability to use them, rather that most people just don't really know that they -can- customize the windows interface.

    3. Re:Bad analogy by joshetc · · Score: 1

      Thats a horrible arguement.

      If TweakUI was shoved down end-users throats like customizing cell phones is to cell phone users I'd imagine MANY more people would be interested in using it.

    4. Re:Bad analogy by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      TweakUI is bad comparison (the response times for mouse events, mini arrows on shortcuts?),
      LightStep is a bad comparison (putting Linux on an ipod?). The right comparisons are ipod
      socks, windows themes and color schemes (or the screensavers, etc. that they alreay listed).

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    5. Re:Bad analogy by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Of course as soon as the phisher has your password for the first portal, he can find out your user preferences and present you with the same colors etc. Indeed, he could even have his server act as a proxy, so you indeed access the real site, except indirectly through the phisher's computer, so it can log all your passwords/PINs.

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    6. Re:Bad analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why you have the browser do it, not the site. The idea is that the browser keeps a list of sites as well as the skin that is used with each one, much like it keeps a list of sites that are allowed or banned (depending on how you set it up) from using things like java, javascript, and plugins. Of course, it still wouldn't help against DNS cache poisoning (perhaps combined with cracking/forging the bank's RSA key) but it would help.

  13. Half-azzed study by Jonboy+X · · Score: 2, Informative
    From TFA:
    We conducted a usability study where we showed 22 participants 20 web sites and asked them to determine which ones were fraudulent, and why...Our participant population was highly educated, consisting of staff and students at a university. The minimum level of education was a bachelor's degree. Our population was also more knowledgeable than average, because they were told that spoofed websites were in the test set. They were also more motivated than the average user would be, because their task in the study was to identify websites as legitimate or not.


    So the "study" is a little lame, and irrelevant to the main point of the article: promoting his new SecuritySkins plugin. The idea is that it's harder for websites to spoof browser features if everyone's browser looks different.

    For the record, this idea isn't new. Bank of America has been letting users select a personalized image on their login page for a while now. If the image on the login page doesn't match yours, it didn't come from your bank and you shouldn't enter your password there.
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    1. Re:Half-azzed study by Zardus · · Score: 2, Informative

      See, the BoA approach always confused me. By the time you see that picture you've already entered your login ID, and your login ID is all it takes to see that picture. Now, if the phishing site already knows that ID (since there is no picture or anything to prevent you from entering it at this point), why can't the phishing site just hit up BoA for that picture and present it to you?

      In some cases BoA asks you a security question, but that's the same problem with that. Phishing site hits up BoA for the questions, gets the answer from you, and sends it back to BoA to retrive the image.

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    2. Re:Half-azzed study by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmmm ... thinking along those lines, the phishing site could just be a proxy forwarding everything to the legitimate site and back, but just storing the interesting data like passwords.

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    3. Re:Half-azzed study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*

      Because they have access to a cookie that is only given to the appropriate domain.

      The spoof site cannot access the cookie so they don't know which image to present.

      No login information has been transmitted at this point, just something that identifies the appropriate picture.

    4. Re:Half-azzed study by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1
      Sorry if the language of my OP was a little flamish. That wasn't my intent. I guess I should clarify the points I was trying to make:
      1. A sample of 22 people is, IMO, too small to credibly demonstrate this phenomenon.
      2. The fact that the test group is college students and staff and not just your average Internet users probably doesn't add to the relevence of the study either.
      3. The study doesn't test the effectiveness of the Firefox plugin being promoted. It just shows that this particular group of people aren't very good at spotting phishing sites.

      That is all. Thank you for your time.
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    5. Re:Half-azzed study by andy1307 · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong about this but I think they go by your IP address. If you use your user id from a new IP address, you'll be asked one security questions out of three security questions on your account profile. You'll only be shown the SiteKey if get the question right. How would the phisher be sure his script would get the same question from the BofA website.

    6. Re:Half-azzed study by __aapopf3474 · · Score: 1

      promoting his new SecuritySkins plugin
      BTW - Rachna Dhamija is a woman.

    7. Re:Half-azzed study by Zardus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it'd be a setup like this: you get an email sending you to http://bonkofamerica.com/ (notice bonk instead of bank) telling you to login quick to fix something or other. You go there, enter your user ID, select the state that you got your account in, and click login.

      BoA's servers haven't been touched yet, just the phisher's. Once the phisher recieves this info, they make a query to BoA's servers and input the info that you've given them (the username and state). BoA sees that you're logging in from a new IP and sends a question along to the phisher. The phisher then displays that question in the page that they send to the user. To the user, it just seems like his bank took longer to display the security question than they normally do. The user puts in the answer and sends it (unknowingly, of course) to the phisher, and the phisher sends it to BoA. BoA sends back the image, which the phisher sends to the user.

      All the user sees is: Login Page -> Question Page -> Image Page. Perfectly ordinary, if slightly longer loading times. And since the phisher is the only one ever talking to BoA, there is only one security question ever asked. As far as BoA is concerned, the phisher is a perfectly normal user authenticating properly.

      The few things that can stop this are:

      - the user paying attention to the domain name
      - the security cert not being signed by a root cert authority and the user paying attention to the warning that pops up
      - some anti-phishing plugin (like the one discussed here or many others available)

      Of course, I'm sure some string of vulnerabilities can disable all these protections. Not to mention plain incompetence on the part of the banks. It could be my memory playing tricks on me, but I think I've seen banks forget to update their certs for a day or two after they expire. At that point, you just use the phone bank until they get their act together I guess.

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    8. Re:Half-azzed study by mjwx · · Score: 1

      one thing I dont get

      My bank here in Australia explicitly says on it's internet banking site and in every letter they send to me that "****** Credit will never attempt to contact you by email". In fact you can't get to the log in page before seeing this message.

      Have banks in the US not adapted the policy of informing customers about potential scams?

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  14. Personalization will only help so much by scolby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Phishers will still be able to fool those who are susceptible to email phishing attacks. In the example where a user chooses his or her personal image as a security feature, all a phisher has to do is send out spam requesting that the user either change his image or upload a new one, with a link to the site that will snag that information. Then it's a simple matter of sending out another email prompting the user to log in, with a link to a page displaying that stolen image.

    In the end, it's more important to educate users than it is to circumvent their stupidity with technology - there's always a way around things.

    1. Re:Personalization will only help so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's true there is always a way around things, and though the example with the image selection that Bank of America uses (and similar implementations at a handful of other financial institutions) is not completely foolproof, it significantly more secure than a financial institution that does not use such a system. BofA and the other banks know this - Phishers are more likely to target the customers of a bank that hasn't re-educated its userbase on their new login will work, and why.

      When someone goes fishing, they don't target a specific fish in the pond. They throw the same cheap bait everywhere, and whatever bites get caught. In order for the image technique that BofA uses to be foiled (and believe me - I'm not BofA fan - sorry to keep using that as THE example, because it's not), it seems a phisher would have to spend more energy/resources/whathaveyou coming up with ways to target specific people. Instead of comparing it to fishing, it would be more like hunting/stalking - which takes lots more effort. It seems it would significantly cut down on the quantity of victims - assuming quantity is what phishers are going for.

      My 2 cents.

  15. What bothers me is... by azav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why we are not aggressively tracking down and prosecuting mass repeat spammers and phishers.

    If we are, why are we not hearing about it?

    I mean, spam and phishing is the blight of the internet. It is aggravating, costly and time consuming. I do not need a mortgage, cialis, a fake rolex, a "pleasure ring" or bogus stock tips. All this spam and phishing is fraud and through use of zombies of hijacked connections, theft or trespassing.

    Should we write our congressmen? Become rich and hire the mob to find these people and break some knees?

    ??

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    1. Re:What bothers me is... by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1
      Should we write our congressmen? Become rich and hire the mob to find these people and break some knees?

      The latter has a chance of working (besides, it'd make me feel better). The latter wouldn't do a thing and stands a high chance of introducing its own problems.
      So, who wants to fire up a nonprofit dedicated to ending spam/phishing by means of Cousin Vinnie?
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    2. Re:What bothers me is... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      Breaking some knees might be more effective. Why? The Internet is the equivalant of the Wild West. Anything goes. Laws are a very sticky thing where virtual territory is concerned. Since the Internet is a vast largely unregualted affair, getting laws in action don't do much since there isn't a white suited sherriff with an ivory handled Colt walking around keeping the bad guys in line.

      But then again, we all know what happened when someone tried to take the law in their own hands. Look at Blue Security. They were supposedly sticking up for the common man, but now they've run outta town with their tail between their legs

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    3. Re:What bothers me is... by CamDawg · · Score: 1

      There was a recent post on the IE7 development blog about the prosecution of a phisher--21 months of jail time and $57,000 returned to the folks he defrauded. It's a start at least. The IE7 dev blog has actually been doing its best to tout their anti-phishing features in IE7, though there have been a number of (IMO legitimate) concerns about how it's being implemented.

    4. Re:What bothers me is... by rbochan · · Score: 1

      tell the RIAA that they're sending out mp3s...
      or tell the FCC that they're sending out pictures of boobies...
      that'll get something done about it.

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    5. Re:What bothers me is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Becomre rich, huh?? Well I know a really easy way of making some money...

    6. Re:What bothers me is... by asuffield · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Become rich and hire the mob to find these people and break some knees?

      By and large, these people are the mob. Russian organised crime is into spam and phishing in a big way, and several of the other groups are getting in on the action. And it's no easier to shut them down today than it was a hundred years ago. They're using bribery, blackmail, pressure on the government from their semi-legitimate sides, and all the other usual tricks. When some of them finally do get arrested, they're always sacrificial pawns; another bunch of people is immediately set up to replace them.

      There are a few people out there doing this stuff on their own, but to make money from phishing you need a way to convert a long list of credit card numbers into money - it's far better suited to organised crime than to rogue asshats.

  16. Would skinning really help? by b1t+r0t · · Score: 1

    If the idea is to skin a user's page on a given web site where they might be phished (like a banking web site), then it won't really help, because the proper skin can't be applied until after a user has logged in, and by then it's already too late! I suppose it might be possible to store that in a cookie, but that would assume that the user never connects from a "fresh" computer that hasn't been used with the site before. And then there are the redirection attacks which make use of a bug in the web site itself to make the phishing site look more legit.

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  17. Haha, "why phishing works" by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's got to be one fucking short paper. I can personally sum it up in three words: "People Are Stupid." Can I get my research grant now?

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    1. Re:Haha, "why phishing works" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      To formalize it:
      1. Postulate that a statistically significant number of individuals are technologically challenged when it comes to operating a computing device on a global shared network.
      2. Acquire the grant money to perform the study to determine whether your hypothesis is correct or not.
      3. Profit!
      4. Publish your conclusion that "people are stupid".
      5. Go on the lecture circuit with your findings
      6. More profit!!
  18. Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by Jerf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You have read this comment 42 times, therefore it is trustworthy. Please reply with your social security number and mother's maiden name.

    I'm not sure that visit counts are very useful, as there is only a narrow window between the very beginning, where it is useless because it is basically 0, and where it becomes useless because it's just a big, meaningless number. Will you notice if your visit count goes from 123 straight to 125? Will you even notice if it goes from 124 to 543?

    Of course you want to say yes, because it looks like I'm asking "Can you tell the difference between 543 and 124?" and of course the answer is yes. But the real question I'm asking is, "Can you tell if a number secreted away in the corner of a busy webpage that you probably don't even know exists and have probably forgotten about if you did changes from 124 to 543?" I think that if you're honest with yourself, the answer is no.

    It's a good brainstorming idea, but I don't think that's going to help much.

    On the other hand, customizable interfaces would probably help a lot, but that's a lot of work, and you're going to have to half-force people to do customizations if you want it to work, because most people would just stick with the default. Perhaps randomize (within reason) some of the customization parameters? Sure, it'll add support load, but so does phishing, so you'd have to do a careful analysis to see if you come out ahead; it could go either way.

    1. Re:Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by Zardus · · Score: 1

      That's not what the number thing is supposed to be like, though. The idea is that you go to a login page (such as something claiming to be paypal.com, lets say), and before filling out the login and password you glance at the status bar and see that the number of times you've visited this page is 0. For me, that would be an instant red flag that its a phishing site cause I hit up paypal often (more often than I would like..). If that number is not big, then the site is likely a phishing site.

      Even if the site was using an exploit that changed the url in the location bar or something, such a low 'times visited' number would prompt me to try it on a different browser/computer and enter the URL by hand.

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    2. Re:Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by Bob3141592 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, customizable interfaces would probably help a lot, but that's a lot of work, and you're going to have to half-force people to do customizations if you want it to work, because most people would just stick with the default. Perhaps randomize (within reason) some of the customization parameters? Sure, it'll add support load, but so does phishing, so you'd have to do a careful analysis to see if you come out ahead; it could go either way.

      I'm not even so sure about that. Customizable skins are only useful if the same customization characteristics can be applied to all the sites I use. My online activity includes several banks, a few credit card companies, two phone companies, three utilities, many retail stores, etc, etc. If I can make all these sites look reasonably similar, say by using a similar shade of my favorite blue color, then I would be suspicious of sites in any different color. But without such across the board similarities, I'm going to lose track of who has what skin and who provides or doesn't provide such a skin. In the long run, absent it's universal application, all this would add is more noise into the presentation, and would provide minimal benefit.

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    3. Re:Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by Tom · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that visit counts are very useful, as there is only a narrow window between the very beginning, where it is useless because it is basically 0, and where it becomes useless because it's just a big, meaningless number.

      And exactly that is the usefulness. Your average phishing site tries to impersonate a site you visit frequently, like ebay, paypal or your online banking. When the counter for such a site is suddenly much lower than you remember, something fishy is going on. If it's 0 or a low one-digit number, it is almost guaranteed to be a phishing site.

      Nobody cares if it's 125 or 35743957394923.

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    4. Re:Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Honesty compels me to admit I read that as a feature provided by the site, not the browser.

      If you program the browser to do something noxious if you go straight to a site and submit a form on your very first visit, you might get some value out of it. However, that might false positive too often to be useful; only trying it could tell.

    5. Re:Not so sure about the visit count being useful. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      How about last visited:

      The last time you logged onto this web site was 3 days ago at 4:25 pm. You logged in from IP address 128.12.21.125, held by Verizon New York (This may be your ISP). Your currently logged in from IP address 43.12.65.23, held by AT&T Puerto Rico.

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  19. Oh, duh by b1t+r0t · · Score: 1

    I just RTFblurb... the point was to have the browser do skinning based on the web site being visited. Which still doesn't help when the user is not using his/her normal computer, and still takes effort to set up the skinning.

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  20. Re:Off Topic public complaint by Itninja · · Score: 1

    It would seem your "someone kill Slashdot" and "I love Slashdot" statements are a bit at odds. But seriously, I have been blocking /. ads since forever. But I buy a lot of stuff from Thinkgeek, so that kind of makes up for it, eh?

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  21. "look before you leap"?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the other hand, looking at the status bar while hovering over the link will show what's at the link. well, it works in mozilla and firefox; i wouldn't know about that "intarweb expoiter" thing ..

  22. Too easy to defeat. by khasim · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To defeat this, the attacker just needs to correctly copy the bank's page (or whatever). Images, style sheets, etc.

    No matter what the user does to his/her browser, the bank's page will be displayed with the same mod's as the phishing page. If you over-mod your browser, then the bank's page will look weird anyway and this can make phishing even easier.

    She had a good idea in showing how many times you had already visited that page ... which works until there is a way to fake that display.

    The only way to really defeat phishing is to only use the web interface to start a transaction or to view information ... and require that the bank call the customer at the customer's phone number and verify that the transaction is authorized.

    1. Re:Too easy to defeat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you miss the point. The idea isn't to mod the bank site, but for the individual to mod his/her own interface to the bank site. Bank of America is doing this -- you select a personal image. When you login to their site, the login page displays the image your selected. If you don't see the correct image, you know its a phishing attempt. This is still a user education issue, but at least it helps.

    2. Re:Too easy to defeat. by general+scruff · · Score: 1

      I can see a super easy way to defeat the 'You've been here before' feature. Just set the phishing page to reload 5-10 times before it completely loads. Now, the address has been "Visited" quite a bit, and you're none the wiser.

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    3. Re:Too easy to defeat. by Daverd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Say the website in question allows you to pick from several different stylesheets, and this selection gets stored as a cookie on the user's machine. Whenever the user goes back to that page, it shows up in the style they've chosen. Then there's no way for the phisher to simulate that, because cookies can't be shared between domains. The user would go to the phishing site and hopefully realize something's wrong when everything looks different.

    4. Re:Too easy to defeat. by t0tAl_mElTd0wN · · Score: 1

      I think what they meant is that a user can customize their style of the actual site. For instance: if I, Mr. Joe Sixpack Compn00b, followed a link from an email to "PayPal", which was actually some phisher's site, I might notice that this style is blue and white rather than my personalized Purple and Cyan (Joe Sixpack Compn00b has no artistic style)

    5. Re:Too easy to defeat. by naasking · · Score: 1

      The only way to really defeat phishing is to only use the web interface to start a transaction or to view information ... and require that the bank call the customer at the customer's phone number and verify that the transaction is authorized.

      That's silly. There are perfectly reasonable means to defeat phishing already available. All that's required is a trusted path to a trusted component which verifies one's relationship to the site (in other words, a visible section of screen that the phisher can't alter in any way); this is what the pentame toolbar does. It's still vulernable to OS security breaches, but that's a far better than the current security models.

    6. Re:Too easy to defeat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, the user should be forced to select a style when he first logs in, and the default style should be significantly different from all of the selectable syles available.

    7. Re:Too easy to defeat. by SheeEttin · · Score: 2, Informative

      We're sorry, but we've lost your site customization settings. You can go to Preferences to re-set them. In other words, yeah right.

    8. Re:Too easy to defeat. by dtsazza · · Score: 2, Informative
      The user would go to the phishing site and hopefully realize something's wrong when everything looks different.

      Or would they? A notice on the top of the site saying that "to improve security, we've currently suspended personalised styles so everyone gets the default one" or "we're currently upgrading the personalised styles (to give you the next generation of smilies ;))" (or something like that) would probably take a lot of people in. I mean, look at some of the scams going round today - "update your security details", "your email address has won an email lottery", etc. I'm sure the hackers that host these sites could come up with some plausible, techie (and thus impervious to most people) 'excuse' for changing the colours.

      Besides, there's the old adage that the average user will click whatever he or she thinks will let him get his task done quickest. They might think "hmm, the colours have changed" but that'll be quickly followed by "ahh, but there's the box I need to enter my details to log in".

      Undoubtedly it'll help a little, but I reckon in the majority of cases colour change =/=> don't use this site.
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  23. This girl deserves it, seriously! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Two participants in our study stated that in general, they
    would only question a websites legitimacy if more than
    the username and password was requested. One participant
    actually submitted her username and password to
    some websites in order to verify if it was a site at which
    she had an account.

    !!
    She stated that this is a strategy that
    she has used reliably in practice to determine site authenticity.
    Her reasoning was Whats the harm? Passwords
    are not dangerous to give out, like financial information
    is."

  24. Very offtopic: What's with this slashdot banner? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just had an, imo, very 'intrusive' ad here on the frontpage of Slashdot: The reason why I report this is the fact that I am not a subscriber, but also don't use any ad-blockers on Slashdot (nor on other sites), as I think it's a fair deal: I get to read/write for free and they serve me ads which will give them some money in return.

    I don't mind the banners, animated or not: But I think this one (have a look at the screengrab ) got a bit too intrusive, or at least very annoying: Once you roll-over the normal banner, it changes in that one shown in the screenshot, taking up almost half of your screen.

    Going back to the original banner (by hovering off the big-size banner), I noted that, in smallprint, it warned (?) that, on mouse-over, it would pop-up the bigger one: That, imo, does not justify it though (since the banner is on top, there's a big chance of hitting it by mistake with your mouse pointer).

    Again, the reason why I made this post is not that I think (as a non-subscriber) I got any right to 'complaint' about something I receive for free: Just that -because- normally the ads are non-intrusive, I don't bother with blocking them.

  25. This sort of thing is kind of amusing.. by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1
    As long as there are people that can be fooled, there will be people around to fool them. Technology, at it's best, can only ever be used as a padding, if you will, for the average user. You have to develop technology that hits the magical balance between . Once you hit that mark, then there is no excuse for complaining about technology. At that point, the responsibility for the continued problem lies essentially with the users alone.

    PEBKAC!

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    1. Re:This sort of thing is kind of amusing.. by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1
      "hits the magical balance between ."

      Should have read "hits the magical balance between helpfulness and intrusiveness."

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  26. Smarter than your average bear by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look, as I've said repeatedly (and I don't need a post doc to know this), users fall for phishing because they are in general not Net savvy. A typical user looks at a browser or a desktop application and treats it like their TV/VCR or pocket calculator -- they expect to turn it on, use it, and aren't aware of anything else that it might be doing or be capable of doing. Doesn't matter if it's Firefox, IE, Opera, or what have you, the average user is not going to understand the workings of a browser. Nor should they have to.

    There was an article a few days back (memory gets foggy with age) about IE7 and all the new stuff, to which I replied that it was all well and good, but the fact is, there have been no revolutionary new breakthroughs in browser technology. I'm not talking plug-ins, downloads, schemes, scripting, etc., but looking at the browser as more than simply a viewer of web content. It's long past that -- it's now the doorway to information and allows the user to access all kinds of data about themselves and others that is supposed to be "secure."

    Browsers have to be redesigned with the average user in mind and they have to be developed to do much more of the security work for the user than they do now. They have to be turned from data reader into combination access port/firewall/security screen, and they have to run these functions automatically (except when you're a knowledgeable sort and can turn the systems on and off to your liking). A browser should stop a user from being able to access "phishy" sites, reject sites where security certificates are dodgy, and alert the user in the strongest terms that the thing they were about to do was stupid and they're not being allowed.

    Phishers will continue to winnow out personal data from people as long as no one marches in and builds the next generation of tools to combat them. Trying to do anything with the current crop of technologies is like putting a band-aid over a severed jugular; to truly put the fire out, it will take a technology the phishers are not prepared for and cannot easily simulate.

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  27. Isn't it curious by Bob3141592 · · Score: 1

    how much intelligence and technology has to be applied to reduce the effects of people's stupidity. The more stupid/gullible/apathetic/lazy people are, the more sophisticated/integrated/processor-and-storage-int ensive applications have to become. Maybe we're just enabling people's stupidity by doing this. Eventually, as people's intelligence goes to zero, the number of processor cycles to protect them from themselves will become infinite.

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    1. Re:Isn't it curious by nyctopterus · · Score: 0

      Assuming that people are "stupid/gullible/apathetic/lazy" just because they might be taken in by a phishing scam is, well, stupid/gullible/apathetic/lazy thinking.

    2. Re:Isn't it curious by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Actually the software has only to become as intelligent as the users should have been. After that, we can disconnect the users from the net and let the software handle their online stuff. :-)

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  28. There is no plugin by lorcha · · Score: 2, Informative
    It has not yet been released. From TFA:
    When do you plan to release the securityskins plugin?


    Rachna Dhamija: Currently, we have a prototype of the interface developed in Mozilla XUL, which we are improving based on feedback from our studies. Mozilla turned out to be a good prototyping tool, and allows us to rapidly iterate through interface ideas. A number of organizations have expressed interest in adopting security skins, and we have started development of an extension that can be released to the public. So stay tuned!

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  29. Not quite by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    Not quite as this was the full email http://capitalone.bfi0.com/T5RT041F5630D4833B331E8 E0A79A0 I left all the other stuff out.

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  30. All security features are targets for attack by Bob3141592 · · Score: 1

    For the record, this idea isn't new. Bank of America has been letting users select a personalized image on their login page for a while now. If the image on the login page doesn't match yours, it didn't come from your bank and you shouldn't enter your password there.

    Do they let you upload your own picture, or do you select from a list of what they provide? If the latter, then the phishers know what the stock photos are. Say there are twenty of them. The phisher picks one. He may have eliminated 95% of the people he sends his bogus pages to, but he's just gained a ton of credibility with the remaining 5%. That might be worthwhile for him.

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    1. Re:All security features are targets for attack by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do they let you upload your own picture, or do you select from a list of what they provide?

      Unfortunately, it's the latter. Though they do have several hundred images to choose from.

      Plus there's another layer before phishers can retrieve your image based on your login name. If the site doesn't recognize your browser (via a cookie or set of cookies) it will ask a challenge/response question first, *then* it'll show you your chosen image and manually-entered caption. By default it will forget the browser, so if you trust a friend's computer or *shudder* an internet cafe with access to your banking site, you can use it once without it setting that cookie, or you can click a checkbox to have it recognize your browser next time and start with the image+phrase.

      Once all that's done, *then* it asks for your password.

  31. IP-based Secure connections? by guruevi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about using the same technique SSH uses: If you come on a site that has the same IP but with a different key or the same key with a different IP: BIG WARNING THAT THIS SITE OR THE COMMUNICATIONS IS POSSIBLY COMPROMISED and provide a link to customer support in case that happens. SSL Certificates just check whether your communications is securely established and I won't examine that certificate everytime I connect. When you want to do Internet banking or something similar, your bank should give you a key on a read-only USB disk or something and the possibility to boot a Damn Small Linux from that disk. My bank did that for a while, but I guess they fell back on just providing the key probably because of the support issues with DSL and xDSL, USB Modems, Winmodems and other crap like getting the VPN through the users' firewall and you had a browser but couldn't go anywhere but the bank's sites. But I have another bank account that just requires a username and password and you're not even on the secure part by then. How dumb is that? I avoid using my Internet banking just for that. The people at the branch sometimes ask why I don't do those simple things (like transferring money) through their site. I am running only Mac and Linux but still I don't want anyone connecting because they keylogged my password - some users might have troubles putting a good password in the first place (insert oblig. spaceballs password quote here). My webmail is more secure than their site (RSA SecurID key required for that), so they could at least do SOME effort like giving me something similar to SecurID for their site.

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    1. Re:IP-based Secure connections? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the bank can print their cert hash on statements and elsewhere on the net (not JUST on their own site).

  32. Customization vs need by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1
    Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are -- users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces. We can take advantage of this fact to build spoof resistant interfaces.'"
    I find it interesting that those examples grew from technological necessity. We used to need screen savers because our ancient monitors would burn in the image otherwise. We needed changeable ringtones because everyone in a crowd would have to check their phone if one was heard ringing. Some of us needed skinnable apps to fit in other features, or adapt the UI to impaired eyesight or something. In those instances, the content producers took advantage of the actual need to fill it with fun stuff like flying toasters, five-second mp3 ringtones, and Winamp plugins based on movies they could sell and/or advertise with. Now this seems to be going the other way around, taking advantage of people's acquired taste for UI skins, and exploiting that to fill the technological need for protecting the easily-phished.
  33. The marketing dept. gets e-mail designs from spam by vinn01 · · Score: 3, Funny


    I swear that some marketing departments get their e-mail designs from looking at spam. I've have seen some legit corporate e-mails that look so close to previous phishing spam that you would think that they did it on purpose.

    The only explanation that I can think of is that they see the phishing spam e-mail, think that it's from their own company, and then design new e-mails to look the same.

    Doubt it? We're talking about the marketing department....

  34. Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by texas+neuron · · Score: 1

    I do not know how to do the programming but if bogus userids and passwords were entered into the bogus phishing portal, then the cost of doing business for the phishers would get very high. It would be nice for the antivirus software we would buy to allow you to opt in to "punish the phishers." This would give them permission to send your computer the link and code to fill in the phishers web site once identified. Several million useless userid and passwords (created to look legit) should shut them down.

    1. Re:Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      The problem with this is that if you're trying to make the userids and passwords look legit, then you're running the (albeit very small) risk of entering someone else's real userid and password, thus giving the phisher access to someone else's account, which could possibly (if they could track it down) result in a lawsuit for the antivirus software maker AND you. So though the risk of this actually happening is small, there's enough potential backlash that no antivirus software would actually implement this. Sure, you could do it yourself, but you still run the risk of the lawsuit. Also, what if the software happens to enter YOUR userid and password? It's a good idea, just not realistic.

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    2. Re:Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by CommanderData · · Score: 3, Funny

      if bogus userids and passwords were entered into the bogus phishing portal, then the cost of doing business for the phishers would get very high.

      I like it. Maybe another little button like "mark as spam", but in this case it's "mark as phish". When you click "mark as phish" your e-mail plugin does the following:
      1) Grabs the source for that page that is linked in the Phishing e-mail
      2) Skims the HTML for input fields, generating junk data based on some simple algorithm
      3) Submits/Posts the junk data to the address given in the HTML form.

      Maybe while we're at it someone can create an "Eliza" like program that would be triggered with a "mark as 419 scam" that would maintain a threaded e-mail discussion with the scammer for weeks. This would keep them busy and prevent them from preying on all the low hanging fruit on the internet. Eat your heart out Turing! ;)

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    3. Re:Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by texas+neuron · · Score: 1

      Interesting concern. If I use a 10000 word dictionary for the password and use a 10000 list of names plus two numbers, I have 10^10 combinations. I don't think I will randomly hit a real one in my lifetime.

    4. Re:Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by jizziknight · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but chances are with random things like that if it can happen, it will. You also need to consider the number of potential logins as well. Assuming roughly 6 billion people on earth, each potentially (potential being the key word here) having multiple logins your 10 billion combinations doesn't look so small anymore. Of course everyone on earth isn't going to have an account on any site. The fact is that even the tiniest chance that some random person could have their identity stolen because your software just happened to enter their info is a bad thing. Imagine you're Symantec. Sure, you might be able to pay for the rare lawsuit with no problem, but assuming that person can somehow track down what happened, the backlash for what you have done will be huge.

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  35. Capital One = Big Bad Evil of the financial world by MattHawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Admittedly off-topic, but you might want to look into ditching any CapitalOne credit cards you have. They've been using a somewhat questionable reporting practice recently of only telling how much you have on your card to the reporting agencies, rather then the amount you have and your maximum. The credit agencies, with only the one number, assumes it to be both your current limit and the amount you're using - in other words, that you're using 100% of your credit. This can really screw your credit score.

    (If you're curious as to the source of this info, check out Clark Howard's website - if you haven't heard of him, he has a talk radio show and a few books about personal finances)

    Just an FYI :)

  36. Personalizing teletubbyland? Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    She also suggested to "make it easy for users to personalize their interfaces. Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are — users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces."

    This is an interesting point. That is, yes, people, err, users, like to customize. Some of them. And then usually in the form of garden gnomes and a matching backdrop. Many, however, never even change the backdrop nevermind the look of their desktop menus so that even years on they still use the factory shipped teletubbyland and matching green and blue menubars.

    I think that the question who customizes what, and what not, and who doesn't, and then the why of it all, needs more investigation before one can hope to use this to battle phishing.

    1. Re:Personalizing teletubbyland? Since when? by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      Small correction: it's not Teletubby Land, it's Bill Gates' front yard.

  37. "Positive" authentication is not very useful by ttul · · Score: 2, Informative

    End users cannot distinguish well between legitimate sites and phishing sites. Adding in sugar such as the date of the user's last login is helpful only as a positive reminder that the user is on the right site. It's better than nothing, but not by a factor of 10.

    Phishing cannot be prevented completely -- it's a social engineering phenomenon and as such will adapt to any technological intervention that tries to stop it. The best possible "solution" to phishing combines a) hardware authentication, b) increasingly "locked down" web browsers, c) web site "reputation", and d) better anti-phishing protection in email services and software.

    Companies like Cloudmark leverage a vast and very active user community to almost instantly detect and mitigate new phishing campgaigns. IronKey, founded by the president of the Anti-Phishing Working Group, is developing hardware tokens for authentication. IE7 and Firefox continue to improve their defenses against XSS attacks and the like. And there are good efforts underway to develop URL reputation systems that can help users avoid browsing sites that are dangerous.

  38. Collaborative filtering works much better by spamstopper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unless this is a highly targetted and customised phishing attack. Collaborative filtering like cloudmark works amazingly well. You can stop a phishing attack spread within a few minutes. Here is more info on collaborative filtering or google for it.

  39. Educate, educate, and try to solve the issue by ursabear · · Score: 1

    On several fronts...

    I think it is a interesting to see that researchers are trying to find ways to get Joe/Jane user to recognize that WYSINWYG with every website they visit. So maybe there are a few flaws in these folks' ideas... but they're trying to get education out (at least, on some level).

    Educate yourself about the changing face of phishing. Help other folks by helping them understand phishing. Don't hesitate to try to find a way to reduce phishing.

    Report phishing... if you can report it to the people whose site is mimiced, then do so. At least, you can report the phishing attempt to The Anti-Phishing Working Group .


    By the way, sometimes I'm a little slow (what's new?)... for those of you like me who didn't know what "PEBKAC" meant, here's the Wikipedia definition.

  40. Spoof Proof? by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She also suggested to 'make it easy for users to personalize their interfaces. Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are -- users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces. We can take advantage of this fact to build spoof resistant interfaces

    We're sorry, due to an upgrade, you've lost the personalizations to this site. We apologize for the inconvenience, please log in and update your settings.

    1. Re:Spoof Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait? There's a mod that doesn't understand human nature. I get phish that ask me to call all the time. This is just another tactic that will be used.

  41. Why no S/MIME? by metamatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I want to know is why none of these dumbass banks use S/MIME to sign the e-mail they send out.

    Mozilla Thunderbird does S/MIME. Mac OS X Mail does S/MIME. Lotus Notes does S/MIME. Even Microsoft Exchange does S/MIME.

    Sure, it wouldn't solve the problem, but it would at least give clueful users a dead easy way to see if the e-mail was really likely to be from their bank.

    While we're on the subject, when is Gmail going to support S/MIME?

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  42. Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Jester99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe somebody could explain to me why this wouldn't work. It's trivially simple to implement.

    When you create an account on a web site (your bank, ebay, paypal, your broker, whatever), you provide them with a username, password, and a whole bunch of information... why not have a field for "reverse-authentication string"?

    Then every email they send to you, they include that string in the subject line.

    e.g., if my reverse-auth string was "turkey", the email subject would say "Important message for user Jester99 from CapitalOne -- auth: turkey"

    Then I know it's not a phish, because for phishers to have that word, they'd already have CapitalOne's database and I'd already be screwed. (And the odds of them accurately guessing your string are rather small, if you pick anything reasonably ambiguous and not "password") All you have to do is simply not click links that don't have the proper auth word in the subject.

    1. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Because email is sent in the clear?

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    2. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Jester99 · · Score: 1

      True. So if a phisher owned a server between your bank and you, they could certainly make use of their man-in-the-middle status.

      But I was under the impression that most phishers were just using spam-style tactics to carpet bomb as many people with emails as possible. For them to subvert this mechanism via a MITM attack, they'd have to a) own a server that your data relayed through, b) parse the mail headers to determine if it's actually something they have a phish set up for, and c) maintain a database of email address -- website -- username -- magic word sets, which would probably involve more processing power and effort than they've got at the moment.

      A man-in-the-middle attack is very good against somebody that you're specifically targetting to hack, but I'm not entirely convinced that random snooping will actually yield useful results without a lot of time and processing power, if you're "anycast" hacking.

    3. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      But it's not random. Once this becomes common all you have to do is to start listening outside
      of a bank. Not only do you then have the ability to target only actual customers when phishing
      (yeah, um I totally forgot about my account with the Bank of Bangkok), but you get their
      safewords too.

      If you wanted to do something like the original idea, but slightly more convoluted, is to give
      customers an OTP with strings to tick off as they receive "official notices" from the bank.
      Granted, you could not (safely) automate this.

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    4. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Aerion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bank of America did this for a while. The first line of any e-mail they sent to you was "Authorization Phrase: %s", where %s was the phrase that the user entered on the website when entering their e-mail address.

      Suddenly, they stopped doing this around March 2005. I haven't a clue why.

    5. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine they don't use it as it would lead to a false sense of security. That is, if the auth keyword was correct, people would assume that it is legitimate.

      Secondly, I imagine that phishing emails would just leave off the 'auth: turkey' part and get just as many victims. The much better solution is to never click on links in emails.

  43. Here's what she meant by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lots of people here seem to assume that somehow the skins are for the web site, or overriding CSS elements, or whatever, which is just not the case. What she was talking about with those skins is: fake UI. Nothing more, nothing less.

    E.g., let's say that you got your old mom to use Mozilla, so she has _both_ the coloured URL box _and_ the padlock on the status bar as indication that she's indeed at a secure site. I'll assume you've also educated her to carefully read the URL up there.

    So noone can fool her now, right? I mean, right? Well, wrong. One attack method they used in that study was fake UI.

    So let's say your mom now lands at some www.phishers-r-us.ru site pretending to be her bank. The site doesn't even use SSL or anything. How can that site spoof all those checks both up there in the browser's toolbar and down there on the status bar? Simple. Fake them.

    So the site gives you a javascripted popup, requesting a window without those interface elements. But fakes them as .gif images in the page itself. The page is, say, a frame set with three horizontal frames: one at the top, with a faked toolbar and URL bar (with the correct URL of the bank in that .gif, and correctly colour coded as if it were Mozilla saying it's HTTPS), the login page in the middle, and a faked status bar at the bottom (complete with the padlock icon telling you it's secure.)

    _That_ is the problem. Fake UI fools most users.

    So the researcher's idea is basically, "I know, so let's encourage each user to skin their own UI." So let's say your mom has set her Mozilla UI to be brushed blue-hued metal, the colour for HTTPS URLs to be green, and the padlock icon to be replaced by a thumbs up icon. The fake UI site can't know that. So when they show her a page with the UI in the default colours and icons instead of hers, hopefully your mom will know that it's faked UI. It doesn't look like her other browser windows.

    Now personally I think the idea isn't that great anyway, since (A) it requires users to actually do that, and I'll bet most will just click on the default theme and be done with it, and (B) because it's working around what I consider a fucking stupid mis-feature. IMHO there's no need to allow browser windows without an URL bar and without a status bar in the first place. In an age where those are the main (and often only) things that can warn you against such attacks, allowing a site to disable them is just stupid. So just disable the option to hide the UI and, voila, suddenly noone can fake that UI any more. It's that simple.

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    1. Re:Here's what she meant by stony3k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, in Firefox, you cannot disable the bar at the bottom via javascript, and for secure sites, it shows the domain name (like addons.mozilla.org). This is enough to defeat phishing attacks as described in the parent post.

      Of course, you still need to educate users about this feature. The idea that customized themes will help defeat these attacks still holds, though.

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    2. Re:Here's what she meant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. And skins can also be defeated by the phishing site recreating all the possible skins, and then simply displaying an "error" saying that the users preferences were lost and that they need to reselect their skin choice. Most users who cared enough to select a skin will promptly reselect it. They then mimic that skin, save the data to a cookie for their own domain and you're right back to square one.

      The right way to fix this is to NOT allow "chromeless" windows from browsers at all.

  44. Obstacle to legal proceedings by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Organized crime is notoriously difficult to fight in the first place. When the criminal syndicate is overseas, all the problems of cross-border law enforcement collaboration pop up. To make matters even worse, quite a few botnets and phishing scams trace back to corrupt countries where the police are in on the racket. I do not recommend flying to Belarus and trying to break the knees of someone who has an under$tanding with the local gendarmes.

  45. Colors in UI by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Also be sure to keep in mind that 2-8% of men (depending on who you ask) can't distinguish red from green.

  46. She? by FurryFeet · · Score: 1, Funny

    This story is useless without pics.

  47. A simple solution by GeorgeVW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enter a junk password at the 'login' page. If it lets you in, it's a phishing site trying to harvest your information.

    1. Re:A simple solution by Bellyflop · · Score: 1

      A phishing site could easily submit your supplied username/password combo to the real site to verify it if they wanted to.

  48. Some obvious items overlooked in the study. by abb3w · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FTA: Participants proved vulnerable across the board to phishing attacks. In our study, neither education, age, sex, previous experience, nor hours of computer use showed a statistically significant correlation with vulnerability to phishing.

    No check for "familiarity with elementary principles of cryptography" giving a correlation. I suspect that anyone who recognize the significance of the names "Alice, Bob, and Eve" will probably be far less vulnerable than average.

    I'll also note that while they claim: "There is no significant correlation between the score and the primary or secondary type of browser or operating systems used by participants", their breakdown of participants indicated no Linux users were studied. Of course, Linux users are a weirdo minority, but I would be curious.

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  49. Mod parent up by wannabgeek · · Score: 1

    I wanted to moderate "Interesting", but my scroll wheel rolled it over to Flamebait, by mistake. I know I am going to lose my mod points for this, but at least it will undo my mistaken mod.

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  50. A New Way..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    That's why I go Blast Phishing.....

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  51. Material like this is why I participate in /. by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    TFA and the ensuing discussion is informative, interesting, funny and elevating (mostly). No other comment. I am not worthy.

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  52. Sounded interesting... by SheeEttin · · Score: 1
    You know, this sounded interesting:
    If you come on a site that has the same IP but with a different key or the same key with a different IP: BIG WARNING THAT THIS SITE OR THE COMMUNICATIONS IS POSSIBLY COMPROMISED...
    Until you said this:
    ...and provide a link to customer support in case that happens.
  53. Custom email addresses by erice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you create an account on a web site (your bank, ebay, paypal, your broker, whatever), you provide them with a username, password, and a whole bunch of information... why not have a field for "reverse-authentication string"?

    Then every email they send to you, they include that string in the subject line.

    You can actualy go one better today, without telling your bank what you are doing.
    Give your bank a unique email address. Never use that email address for anything else.

    The odds of getting a phish on that email address are close to nil unless you or the bank gets hacked.

    This is how I filter virtually all phishes to date. If it arrives on an address not known to the entity being represented, it's obviously a fake.

    1. Re:Custom email addresses by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Did anyone ever figure out what happened to gmail accepting username+handle@gmail.com?

      I tried to use that for filtering, and it worked -- for about a day. After that, mail to username+handle wasn't delivered to me anymore.

      I'd use something like that for filtering but I can't :(

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  55. Why phishing works by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    Phishing works because people are idiots.

    "Ohhh! A monkey is asking for my credit card number. That sounds reasonable and fair!"

    There are those 'surveys' (many posted around slashdot) that want you to pick the phishing attempts.

    Look at any major company- financial institutions, etc- they never send you e-mail. they never ask for your e-mail. You never get credit card info via e-mail.

    This is where paypal went wrong- they depend on e-mail, and for anything that deals with money, there should never be an e-mail address on file.

    -M

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  56. Re:Very offtopic: What's with this slashdot banner by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Same. Actually, it went into the range of the 'large' ad and the large ad came out. I don't have Adblocker but I'm seriously considering it now.

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  57. Bank of America, make new login ID by asjk · · Score: 1

    I believe it is possible to change your login ID from the originally assigned one. I use this option when it is available. Try the link on the home page labeled, "Forgot or need help with your ID?" The limitations on the ID are pretty liberal:
    Online ID Format
    Must be 6 to 32 characters
    Can also contain these characters:
    at symbol, number symbol, asterisk, open or closed parenthesis, plus sign, equal sign, open or closed brace, forward slash, question mark, tilde, semi-colon, comma, period, hyphen or underscore.
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  58. Spam the Phishers? by NoNeurons2Spare · · Score: 1

    How about instead of never replying to phishers, always replying to phishers?
    If phishers had to wade through 5,000 responses to find the one dupe, the ROI wouldn't be there.
    Hey, I've got to start putting those lessons from Nicholas van Rijn to use sometime. For those who haven't read Poul Anderson, van Rijn could teach the Ferengi a few new rules of acquisition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Rijn