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Homemade iPod Hi-Fi mini

Simon Clement writes "Decided to add to the Apple product line with the iPod Hi-Fi mini. Here's the web page detailing its features, and there's also a link to a Flickr set showing how to build your own."

89 comments

  1. So... how long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until Apple pulls that page?

    1. Re:So... how long... by fletchermemorial · · Score: 1

      Why would apple pull that page? It's not defacing Apple in any way shape or form, in fact, it's promoting two of their products. One of which is discontinued and no longer offered any support for, and that is the one being "modified" The new one, ipod, isn't modified at all. So why again would Apple pull that page down? this question brings a phrase to mind; "Any publicity is good publicity." And this isn't even persay bad publicity. I don't see any reason for Apple to not want this website up, let alone all the other flickr websites of people showing off their own versions.

    2. Re:So... how long... by TouchOfRed · · Score: 0

      Getting slashdotted might have something to do with it. Youve got the whole slashdot population clicking on that (ipod haters vs ipod lovers)

    3. Re:So... how long... by ursabear · · Score: 1

      The page doesn't appear to have been "pulled." It appears that the .mac user's bandwidth allotment has been exceeded - too bad, really... I wanted to see it...

    4. Re:So... how long... by fletchermemorial · · Score: 1

      I just checked....it seems to be working for me..You sure it's not a user-side thing?

    5. Re:So... how long... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Same here. The error message is "We're Sorry: You have requested a page that is not currently available due to data transfer restrictions. If the page you requested is yours, click here for more information." .Mac pages are limited to a terabyte of transfer per month, IIRC. There was discussion of bumping that to 10TB, but I'm not sure it ever happened. It's too bad in this case that Apple doesn't just let it slide, because he's basically advertising one of their products for free (and I'm sure .Mac has the B/W to burn).

      The Flickr page is still up and running, though.

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    6. Re:So... how long... by SCDavis · · Score: 1

      or it gets SlashDotted to death!!!

      "We're Sorry You have requested a page that is not currently available due to data transfer restrictions. If the page you requested is yours, click here for more information."

      ohwell...

  2. DRM by roger6106 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Just what the doctor ordered
    Worried about Digital Rights Management? So are we. With the iPod Hi-Fi mini we've gone the extra mile. Although the 400k floppy disk drive has been removed we were left with the nagging feeling that someone would figure out how to slip a disk through the slot and copy at least part of a song. Have no fear. Introducing Dr Mesh(TM) a high tensile grill that neatly fits the floppy drive slot preventing even imaginary piracy, yet allowing sound through unimpeded. What about those times when you realize that the song being played may not have been legally acquired? That's why the paper-clip hole remains in place. Once you'd use it to eject a recalcitrant disk, now we've carefully angled the hole so that, with a simple lunge, you can pierce the speaker cone, stopping piracy in it's tracks.
    Digital Rights Management. It's in your hands.
    1. Re:DRM by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      It's in your hands? That's the corporate nazi state's answer to Flawed By Design?
      Terrible.

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    2. Re:DRM by sunnyvland · · Score: 0, Troll

      Somewhat of a vague article. I recently purcahsed an iPod and love it and was considering the Hi-Fi

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  3. Is it only me... by vidarlo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...or was the article lacking any significant text? It gave me no clue of what he have done, expcet for hollowing out a old MAC, adding an amplifier and such. What amplifier? How did he interface to the iPod? Does the thing control the iPod, or just output the sound?

    I guess the latter, that it is just a fancy set of speakers with a 3.5mm jack to connect it to any portable equipment with a headset output. It's not really innovative even. What would have been innovative was if he'd made a interface to control the iPod. As far as I know, that is not so straight forward, and you'll need a bit of electronics skills, and you'll probably have to write a program for a microcontroller to do the communication...

    But as he have done it? Worthless. And TFA gives little or no information on it.

    1. Re:Is it only me... by JazzCrazed · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's on the right side of the page...he used a Sonic Impact digital amplifier, which uses a Tripath TA2024 chip (you can buy the chip in a DIY kit, as well).

    2. Re:Is it only me... by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. What exactly makes this so "hi-fi?" I'm tagging this slownewsday.

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    3. Re:Is it only me... by qw0ntum · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yep... it looks like all he did was stick a speaker and an amp into an old Mac case. In this picture you can even see the 3.5" cable attached to the iPod.


      Oh well. It is a cool looking case, but I wonder how many slashdotters would actually rip apart vintage Apple gear just to make a speaker.

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    4. Re:Is it only me... by roman_mir · · Score: 1, Funny

      or was the article lacking any significant text? - pfffffft. With a lower /.ID but with only 241 comments you must be new here. Who in the world reads TFAs? :)

    5. Re:Is it only me... by FrankNputer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, TFA does actually tell you what amplifier he used.

    6. Re:Is it only me... by infosec_spaz · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is currently lacking any text what-so-ever...looks like mac.com is suffering a slashdotting :o)

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    7. Re:Is it only me... by kfg · · Score: 1

      was the article lacking any significant text? It gave me no clue of what he have done

      Allow me to elucidate the process for you:

      1) Plug iPod into powered speakers.
      2) Go get a beer while you listen to it.

      You could, of course, simply buy an iPod soundstation, but that would deprive you above hardware hacking fun.

      KFG

    8. Re:Is it only me... by graikor · · Score: 1

      In Austin, there's a Goodwill computer store that used to have a lot of old, non-functional Macintosh computers. I once bought a dead SE/30 for $15 with the intention of mounting a mini-ITX board and small monitor in it. I ended up being too lazy to complete the project, but I had no qualms about "rip[ping] apart vintage Apple gear", despite many years with a cherished Mac Plus.

    9. Re:Is it only me... by qw0ntum · · Score: 1

      That is true, I could see someone doing that. My question was more whether someone would take apart an old computer just to make a speaker, particularly if they did not have easy access to dead Mac computers.

      It would have been pretty cool to see your finished product. Old cases with new guts are generally pretty interesting.

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  4. Re:Who decided to add to the product line? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I disagree. The article summary made absolutely no sense, so the GP was correct to complain as the error went beyond minor quibbles over abstruse grammatical niceties.

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  5. HiFi is a stretch by hanshotfirst · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A novel idea, but probably not the best-sounding things in the world. You will notice the tweeter is behind solid plastic of the faceplate. If I recall there are ventilation slots under the rim on the front, but not significant in an audio application. You could improve it by incorporating a fixed equalizer circuit to compensate for the loss of high frequency blocked by the case.

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  6. Some would call it vanity by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speakers tend to sound better the more emotional attachment we have to them. The more reviews read finding out from somebody else how we shoudl think, our brain tells us that these speakers sound great. Well, that and pumped up bass. One of the many aspects of the psychoacoustic effect. And stereo equipment reviews know it. /offtopic

    These homemade jobbies look cool as heck. More than functional for background music. Which is all the iPod is for anyway. Def: background music. Music that is listened to while paying attention to another task, eg exercising, talking, or cleaning the house. These are obviously not suitable for critical listening, but then nearly all stereo equipement made these days are not suitable for this task. Although my brain tends to enjoy Martin Logans. :)

    -FlynnMP3

    1. Re:Some would call it vanity by tddoog · · Score: 3, Funny
      Although my brain tends to enjoy Martin Logans

      How does your wallet feel about them? Mine cries out in anger.

    2. Re:Some would call it vanity by Amouth · · Score: 1

      Personaly i stick with Rotel and B&W

      by the way my wallet self imploded.....

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    3. Re:Some would call it vanity by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your wallet may cry in anger once at the time of purchase, but with crappy speakers your ears will cry forever.

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    4. Re:Some would call it vanity by KokorHekkus · · Score: 1

      These are obviously not suitable for critical listening, but then nearly all stereo equipement made these days are not suitable for this task

      Amen to that. And I believe that generally the most critical part of any sound reproduction system are the parts that converts signals between the physical world and the electrical (pick-ups, microphones, speakers). On the other hand I suspect that most people use their systems for background music (per your definition). Guess I could compare it with drinking wine, some are after a nice buzz with while others do like a really nice wine. Come to think of it, there's about as much mind games in the wine industry as in hi-fi. But that doesn't change that some wines are damn fine.

      My brain likes my Dahlquist DQ 20s. But I realised that they did sound really good when a friends girlfriend who wasn't into stereo stuff said to him that he could buy speakers like that if he wanted . And the speakers are about 40 inches high and 20 inches wide lacking somewhat of shyness in the design. :)

      "Any idiot can design a loudspeaker, and, unfortunately, many do." - Richard D. Pierce

    5. Re:Some would call it vanity by kisrael · · Score: 1

      Why does pumped up bass sound so good, anyway?

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    6. Re:Some would call it vanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure complaints about audio quality are appropriate for a guy who's nick ends in MP3...

    7. Re:Some would call it vanity by srk2040 · · Score: 1

      For everyone who has an 8 track setup, recycle it for IPOD.

  7. Re:I wonder... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1, Funny
    I wonder how many people will build this setup and then listen to it with the iPod's shitty earbuds?

    Um, since the setup in question is a speaker, I'd say anyone who builds it will probably listen to it.

  8. Hi-Fi? by TPJ-Basin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not 'in the know' on the quality of his speakers, but the Sonic Impact amp alone makes this a hi-fi rig. If you haven't tried one yet, you're really missing out. I have one attached to a pair of Ascend Acoustics HTM 200s. Others in the audio world have used that $20 amp to drive speakers in the $10,000 range with surperior results.

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    1. Re:Hi-Fi? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, one thing:
      Like you say: the amp will always be magnitues better than the speaker.

      And just how good can a speaker in such an aweful case be? Bad dampening, resonances en mass -> not hi-fi

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  9. Why the haters? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a damn neat hack. Yes, it's probably not as high-quality audio as a set of pro-grade speakers costing hundreds of dollars, but you're listening to an iPod full of compressed, lossy songs, so stop whining. This is a fun way to recycle old hardware cases (unless you have some other pressing need for a Macplus case, perhaps?) into a piece of high geek-factor functional art. It's right up there with the people fitting miniITX boxes into old NES cases and so on.

    In other words, quit hating. This took imagination and engineering, and that deserves a bit of respect in my book.

    1. Re:Why the haters? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's just a pair of connect-it-yourself speakers connected to a fucking ipod.

      I would probably agree with you if it was an article like this one, and the whole thing wasn't called "iPod Hi-Fi mini", but as it is, it's just stupid.

    2. Re:Why the haters? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      This is a damn neat hack.
      I won't comment on the quality, but using off the shelf speakers and amplifiers in a novelty case doesn't seem like much of a hack to me. Then again I'm somewhat an electronics geek and I build my amplifiers from scratch. It seems this qualifies for Slashdot only because it has to do with Apple, and that's kind of pathetic for a geek news site.
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    3. Re:Why the haters? by reidconti · · Score: 1

      What? It was posted as a do-it-yourself iPod HiFi, but what it ACTUALLY is, is a pair of cheap speakers in plastic cabinets.

      As for an iPod full of compressed, lossy songs... uh... do you have ANY CLUE how incredible my MP3s sound through my Paradigm Monitor 3's? I'll give you a hint: even with lossy MP3s, plastic-box speakers would sound like crap.

  10. Re:Who decided to add to the product line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    This post needs a grammar check.

    Sigh... Frankly, I couldn't care fewer.
  11. iPod Speaker Reviews by Mynister · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have been setting up a new site reviewing all of the different iPod Speaker Systems. We have been looking at iPod Alarm clocks, iPod Boom boxes, and portable iPod Speaker systems. All reviews and input are welcome!

    It is possible that this comment will get moded down but I am only letting people know about the site so that we can increase awareness and reach that critical mass so that the site becomes a useful resource for people. All useful and big sites started out as small sites. All comments are welcome and if you have used any of the speaker system please post your experiences and thoughts.

    http://ipodspeakerreviews.com/

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    1. Re:iPod Speaker Reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice site,
      although it would beneifit for content on the homepage instead of links.
      Also try re-doing that wetfloor effect, it looks wrong.

  12. Meh by Zerth · · Score: 3, Informative

    You want a real speaker system for your iPod?

    Build this portable ipod speaker

    Not including MDF for the enclosure and some of the misc electronics(who doesn't have a pile of spare LEDs), it cost about $200 to build.

    It's only a bit heavier than a boombox, lasts ~4 hours on full volume(deafening) with the specced battery, over 8 hours at a normal volume, and can charge your ipod(or anything else with a cigarette lighter charger). Unsuprisingly, it also uses a Sonic Impact t-amp, they kick ass for their size/cost.

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The linked project here is super cool. I've been looking to see if someone has made a groovy boom-box type thing out of the t-amp. Sadly, the linked project is a little light on info about the battery hookup and recharging. To recreate, some design thought might have to be expended on battery charging, eventual replacement, &c. Not that that's a problem, but I don't wanna use up all my brains so early in the day...

      -A

    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A charger is already included, check out the schematic:
      http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/podzum a/schematic2.jpg

      The 12v DC-in is on the left, there is a indicator LED in between the DC-in and the battery, and a 12v DC wall adaptor in the parts list.

      The only thought required would be if you wanted to switch from the spec'ed lead-acid to something else. In general, lead-acid batteries are fairly tolerant when charging and thus they don't require the fancy charging circuitry that other rechargeables require. You could go to the effort of building a smarter charger to allow faster charging, but the "dumb" circuit works just fine.

  13. I'm actually more interested... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    ...in understanding how to turn a NES controller into an mp3 player like some guy did earlier this year. While it was cool, it too was lacking a serious walkthough in how he did it. I only mention it because here I sit with a NES controller and a screen less iPod nano.

    1. Re:I'm actually more interested... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it too was lacking a serious walkthough in how he did it. I only mention it because here I sit with a NES controller and a screen less iPod nano."
      So? Figure out how to do it on your own.

      Oh, that's right. You can't. WTF are you doing posting here, you lamer?

    2. Re:I'm actually more interested... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Ah the AC responds...

    3. Re:I'm actually more interested... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      You can buy nano screens online from china (ebay IIRC?) for like fifty bucks.

      I haven't fixed my kid's yet, though; I'm afraid I'll totally ruin her nano-shaped shuffle.

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  14. Brilliant by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    What a great use for old Macs!
    Very creative.

    I would love to do this but can't bring myself to destroy my Mac Color Classics.
    I would also have put an ipod dock on top of the unit.

  15. Definitely Cool by chipotlehero · · Score: 1

    All of you whiners tell me if you went to your friends place and he had one of these you wouldn't drool over it, even if it didn't sound like a Bose.

    I'm not sure about the dimensions, or if it would fit, but if the speaker jack was set up such that you put your iPod in the disk slot it hooked it up... man, thats like pr0n.

  16. Podzuma by maczilla · · Score: 1

    It's a better iPod boom-box. I built mine in an old guitar amp cabinet. podzuma plans

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  17. Not the strangest by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On The Register's hardware page there is a review of a valve amplifier for the iPod. I checked out the valve number and apparently, to those of us who grew up with Mullard (later Philips) numbers, it's an ECC88. That makes it a double triode.

    So how are they running three speakers from it? Assuming the valve is not just for show ..... I suppose they could be inverting the phase to one channel using a transformer, re-inverting it at the speaker by reversing the connections and bridging the subwoofer between the two channels to give a "sum" signal. AMI stereo juke boxes used that sort of wiring scheme {except they didn't need a transformer at the input, since the left and right coils of the pickup are electrically separate: four wires, not three}. AMI and Rockola were using valves long after Wurlitzer and Seeburg had switched to transistors.

    I personally think digital sources and valves don't play well together anyway: they make the digital artefacts sound worse. Tried it, didn't like it, back to trannies -- at least they disguise the "digitalness".

    And the ready-made amplifier module this guy used is just completely cheating! At least he could have done something like bridge together a pair of TDA2030s for each channel {they're just op-amps, except these ones will source or sink an ampere or so without batting an eyelid} and used yet another 2030 to make a self-resonant switch-mode supply for the iPod.

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    1. Re:Not the strangest by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1
      Assuming the valve is not just for show

      Ah, but if you read the complete article, you'd see that it is largely for show. The amp comes on immediately (no warm-up), and works whether the tube is installed or not. Apparently it does something, as they report that the sound changes whether it's in the socket or not, but it sounds like...err, appears that it's largely ornamental.

      Agree with you re: the ready-made amp. Bare-board amps aren't that hard to find, and would have been more in keeping with the DIY nature.
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  18. Re:Imagine... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

    Something tells me he'd be more confused by computer sitting in front of him then the text on it's screen.

  19. Did I take a wrong turn somewhere? by Krezik · · Score: 1

    A link to a rather small scale hardware hack... When did digg start looking like slashdot?

  20. Apple didn't pull the page... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just ran out of bandwidth. For those of you who don't know everything about .Mac, they recently put bandwidth restrictions in place. That account's monthly data limit was exceeded by all the Slashdot traffic.

  21. ipod mini hifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I think I saw one of these at the Bi Mon Sci Fi Con.

  22. Re:Hi-Fi? :( by bjackson1 · · Score: 1
    I wouldn't say this is hifi in any way, including the T-amp. http://www.michael.mardis.com/sonic/measure/images /5066m-freq_05.gif As we see there is poor bass response, and the top end rolls off too quickly. (The green is various modifications used). There is a theory in audiophiledom that amplifiers make a lot of difference in sound. When in reality the loudspeaker itself (which converts electrical energy to acoustic, wheras an amplifier just increases the voltage of a signal and supplies current) is the largest supplier of intermodulation distortion, harmonic distortion, comb filtering, etc.

    I can't not tell from the images what drivers are used, but I wonder what quality they are. I've seen very few neo tweeters that test well, and this does not appear to be one of them, however, I could be in error in terms of the driver quality.

    What is most suspect is that this tweeter probably crosses over at 3khz or so, and there is a good deal of space between the woofer and tweeter which introduces comb filtering at these frequencies.

    I also wonder what kind of crossover is used. I think special care would need to be taken to keep the woofer out of breakup nodes and the tweeter away from low end distortion with the drivers used.

  23. Hi Fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MP3s are not high fidelity by any measure of the word! If it can't convince me that it's a live performance, it's NOT "hi fi".

    1. Re:Hi Fi? by gameforge · · Score: 1

      You don't think CDs are either then, I presume?

      The finest audio quality I've ever heard came from a (very high dollar) modern turntable. The matching CD most definitely sounded tinny in comparison, even with a number of different CD components (one with a Sony chip, one with a Phillips chip, etc.). With the turntable, I thought I was listening to the Colorado Symphony Orchestra. Before this, I thought turntables were for older people who were desperately attached to the equipment they grew up with and that CDs could match any reproducable sound.

      Incidentally, MP3s recorded @ 320Kbps are indistinguishable from CDs to my ear, even on audiophile equipment. Again, I used to think otherwise, but a friend of mine actually tricked me into thinking I was listening to a Pink Floyd CD when in reality it was a high quality (320Kbps) MP3.

      The trick is that not all MP3 encoders are alike, and a 320Kbps MP3 can take on many different levels of quality and accuracy; it will always supply the same amount of information, but if you take extra time while you're encoding it (setting the quality factor all the way up, depending on your encoder) the information can be much more accurate. Even 128Kbps MP3s lose their "watery" effect and sound okay when encoded with a high quality factor (although nobody ever does this, in my experience).

      But the most pleasing sounds I've ever heard were actually in movies; I didn't know my basement could sound like a movie theater until I watched the Matrix one day when nobody was home at a rather high volume. And I don't by any means have audiophile equipment; I have a Carver M400 cube amp on my front channels on my PC with Advent B2R towers (I have been very pleased with that amp and those speakers); then I have a Sony stereo receiver with cheap Aiwa bookshelf speakers on the rear channels. Good old 4.0 surround.

  24. oxymoron by SethEaston · · Score: 0

    "iPod" + "HiFi" = oxymoron Unless you're playing songs at an incredibly high (preferably lossless) bit rate, it's not worth using an iPod for a "HiFi" listening - this is especially blasphemous to audiophiles (which I am not, but I DO appreciate high-quality sound). For the gym, work, car, etc., it is acceptable. For a home system, it's just not worth the trouble to set it up when uncompressed CDs sound 10x better anyway. - Seth

  25. Mac page removed ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the page is removed?
    I got the following message.

    We're Sorry
    You have requested a page that is not currently available due to data transfer restrictions. If the page you requested is yours, click here for more information.

  26. Re:I wonder... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Congratulations: You failed to detect any irony in my above comment! You win my derision and contempt.

    Next time remember to make it funny and I'll detect it just fine.

  27. Wrong Headline by peterpressure · · Score: 1

    Shoudl be labelled, "Homade speaker enclosure made from ancient Mac..." From the picture I don't see that he made any mods to the ipod, so, literally, this has nuthing to do with "Homemade iPod Hi-Fi mini"
    GET A CLUE!!!
    I am assuming by this precedent I can attach an ipod to a pair of wall speakers via an amp i bought and call it the same thing...
    Get me some real news!!!

  28. DIY Speakers by GWBasic · · Score: 1
    I didn't know Slashdot covered DIY speaker projects. :)

    Really, the only thing "tech" about this project is that the enclosures are recycled macs. DIY projects for self-powered speakers that can be plugged into an MP3 player, Diskman, Gameboy, ect, are a dime a dozen. I did enjoy looking at the pictures.

    How long until my speakers make it onto the front page? Perhaps I should do a write-up on my pair of subwoofers that are as a large as washing machines?

  29. DIY iPod Hi-Fi Kit by bedouin · · Score: 1

    I'm selling this DIY kit for $99; my version has all white cables though. Contact me if interested.

  30. can't be the 1st to notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what's the sense of having a HI-FI mp3 player?
    compressed msuic is far from audiophile quality.
    I don't know many people who are leaving .wavs on their Ipod
    I don't own one but I didn't think they supported .flac or .shn either.
    So really it's rather laughable...
    Oh I suppose you could use apples proprietary lossless encoder..
    IN that case yes it may almost be a HI-FI player, does anyone know what the weighted rateing is of the Ipod?

    1. Re:can't be the 1st to notice by mainform · · Score: 1

      iTunes uses MPEG 4 Audio http://www.m4a.com/ for its encoding. There seems to be a lot of varying and conflicting opinions on the differences in audio quality (ie. here: http://forums.macnn.com/archive/index.php/t-158250 .html , here: http://www.xciv.org/~meta/audio-shootout/ ) but my university lecturer, who has been a professional sound engineer for a long time, has told me in the past that M4A is much better at preserving the original sound than MP3, with a 96kbs M4A file being equivalent to something like a 260kbs MP3. I'm not sure if he's right as I can't seem to find any supporting evidence but the general consensus from my googling, other than the last link I posted, seems to be that M4A offers a higher quality output than MP3.

      If by "weighted rateing" you mean the iPod's signal to noise ratio (SNR), Apple doesn't post it on their website, but I did find this: http://www.cnet.com.au/mp3players/mp3players/0,390 36128,40062302-2,00.htm Note that most people can't tell the difference between a couple of dB, so most of the higher rated ones are fairly evenly matched, and I wouldn't be suprised if the results for those would change if the test was carried out again by somebody else. The lower ones are particularly bad, though; you would probably hear the white noise during the quiet parts of your music :)

  31. Re:I wonder... by shawngarringer · · Score: 1

    You sure you didn't fail to put the irony in there in the first place?

  32. Re:Who decided to add to the product line? by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

    Absolutely no sense? you looked at it and saw only letters? Are you sure?

  33. Re:The ultimate solution to DRM by mspohr · · Score: 1
    Dudes! Please, please, give me a little slack! You guys are really tough.

    Both I an another poster spotted this wry humor in TFA at the same time and posted it... I wouldn't have posted this as a dupe if it had been present on the page I was reading. Since I am a slow reader (and poster), my post came in a full 5 minutes after the "original".

    And now I am paying the price for my lighthearted attempt at humor. I got modded down TWICE as redundant while the guy who beat me to the post gets modded up +4 Funny!

    There is no justice and my karma will suffer irreparable harm.

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    I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
  34. Re:Hi-Fi? :( by krilli · · Score: 1

    Have you heard one of these?

    The sound is beautiful.

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    Jag pratar lite svenska.