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Indian Scientists Develop Vaccine for Bird Flu

William Robinson writes "Indian Scientists have succeeded in developing a vaccine against the bird flu disease that has affected poultry business in many parts of the world. This was formally announced, and ICAR Director-General Mangala Rai described this as a big step forward in tackling the highly pathogenic avian influenza, commonly called the bird flu. Indonesia, who has recently reported their 42nd victim of bird flu, will now have one less thing to worry about."

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  1. Excellent! by rpjs · · Score: 4, Funny

    No need to worry about bird flu any more, just the incipient WWIII brewing in the Middle East...

    1. Re:Excellent! by tgd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thankfully Isrealis, Palestinians, and Lebanese don't tend to fly migratory patterns that cross New Hampshire.

      Mass pandemic scares me more than $100 oil, even with a 10mpg car and a 15mpg truck.

      Barely, though. I had to fill the car up this morning!

    2. Re:Excellent! by utnapistim · · Score: 2, Informative
      No need to worry about bird flu any more, just the incipient WWIII brewing in the Middle East...

      Ummm ... no, not really, at least not for Israel. I've been in Tel Aviv for two months now, and it's - for lack of a better term - "business as usual".

      If it was by what you get on CNN, I'd have expected to crawl under debris by now; In truth, life goes on unaffected in 90% of the country, but that's nothing sensational, so it won't probably appear on the news.

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    3. Re:Excellent! by Instine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod up informative /\

      The worry comes from how the rest of the world reacts to this (and of course the worry in the effected area is very real and worth noting!). If Syria, and Iran, and Afghanistan can coerce Pakistan (or some other sizable ally) then World War is not far away. This was unlikely before. But after questionable actsperformedin the area, committed by Israeli allies, this is more likely. If Pakistan were to 'join in' then it means two opposing aggressors have Nuclear 'deterrents'.

      As for Bird flu. Great news!

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    4. Re:Excellent! by aplusjimages · · Score: 2

      Honestly though, the news only reports on stuff they know viewers will watch. Would you watch news about zero attacks in some part of Tel Aviv? Here in Florida millions of people don't get attacked by aligators, so should the news report about those people instead of the people who did get attacked? That's why I can't stand watching the news, it just dumps all this depressing stuff in your lap and at the end they bid you good night. ps - thumbs up on the bird flu vacine

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    5. Re:Excellent! by Erwos · · Score: 4, Informative

      At the risk of igniting a real flame war, life in Beirut is never really business as usual, because the central government there doesn't have real power over their entire country. They've been occupied by the Israelis and the Syrians over the years, and even once the Syrians and Israelis were gone, they couldn't figure out how to get Hezbollah under control. Lebanon is a country I generally sympathize with - they've gotten screwed by a number of parties in the region and outside of it, and once they get their domestic situation under control, they'll probably be a stabilizing influence in the region.

      I do agree with your implication towards the poster who somewhat blithely replied that Tel Aviv was doing OK. For one thing, a good bit of northern Israel isn't doing so hot (witness the shelling of Haifa), and it's a bit crass of him to ignore his own countrymen. Second, the folks in Beirut generally don't want this conflict - they were dragged into it by Hezbollah in the south. Maybe once the Israelis decimate Hezbollah, they can take some real control of their country. Well, here's hoping...

      Anyways, back on topic: the Middle East does have substantial interests in poultry, since religious Muslims and Jews don't eat pork. This kind of a vaccine is quite helpful in protecting their flocks and themselves - and that's one less thing they all have to worry about in these troubled times.

      -Erwos

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    6. Re:Excellent! by mdozturk · · Score: 2, Informative

      The cover of Sunday's New York Times had a picture of 16 dead Lebanese, which were mostly children. Business as usual?

    7. Re:Excellent! by Erwos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They may or may not represent the feelings of the Lebanese people in the south - but they are _not_ an official agency of the Lebanese government, and are thus not recognized internationally as being representative of the internationally-recognized Lebanese government.

      The reason they may be able to decimate them now is that their foolish, unprovoked declaration of war on Israel may have finally lost them the popular support that every guerilla group needs to survive.

      -Erwos

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    8. Re:Excellent! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cover of Sunday's New York Times had a picture of 16 dead Lebanese, which were mostly children. Business as usual?

      Yes, that is business as usual. The terrorists in Lebanon go to areas filled with civilians, shoot things at Israel, then run. Israel shoots back where the terrorists shot from, and the Terrorists succeed in their real goal - getting their own people killed by Israel. The People in Lebanon acting in a manner intended to kill Lebanese is business as usual. That they happened to be children was just a bonus for them.

    9. Re:Excellent! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or maybe Hezbollah really does represent the country, at least the south? Kinda like Hamas really does represent Palestine? The inconvenient truth may be that you may not actually like your neighbor's governments, but you still have to learn to get along.

      Maybe they do represent the south, but no, they don't have to learn to get along: Hezbollah's stated aim is the destruction of Israel. How the heck do you "get along" with someone when they've sworn to destroy you? The answer is you don't: you destroy them first. If that means destroying most of Lebanon, then so be it.

      Personally, I think the mideast is overdue for a very big and bloody conflict. On one hand, we have Israel that just wants to do their thing and stop getting harassed. They've taken crappy desert land and turned it into an oasis and a serious economic power. On the other hand, we have a bunch of Islamic nuts that have nothing better to do than terrorize Israel because they can't tolerate any non-Islamic countries in their midst. They've had plenty of time to build advanced nations in the same geographic area as Israel, but what have they accomplished? Nothing. Even worse, this conflict isn't about some radical guerillas, with innocent people caught in the middle. The people have actually elected these guerillas (Hamas and Hezbollah) to their governments, so that means the people actually back these groups' stated intentions of terrorism and destruction of Israel. Therefore, the people in these countries are perfectly acceptable targets for attack and destruction.

  2. Birds or Humans ? by JohnHegarty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As the comment on the pages says... is this for the birds or humans ?

    1. Re:Birds or Humans ? by fletchermemorial · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's for humans. The Avian flu is not a serious things for birds. Think of it this way, a cold is shitty, granted, but it won't destroy your life. In very rare cases will a cold last longer than a week and a half, and even rarer for it to have a permanent effect. But if...a dog, somehow someway contracted a common cold, and was completely unprepared to accept the virus and combat it, the dog would die without much of a fight. Monkeys live with AIDS like it's nothing, but it destroys us. The Avian flu is a bird disease, and when cross-genus diseases spread, there's (as far as we know) no way to stop almost certain death. Yay for vaccines!

  3. One less thing to worry about; True by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now they just have to worry about patents and the costs of the vaccine and deployment. After all, now that there is a vaccine, any capitalist-minded people would think, "Hey! Let their chickens die out! We'll have a monopoly on chickens!"

    Are we to believe that they'll just give it out to the world?

    1. Re:One less thing to worry about; True by myth24601 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Are we to believe that they'll just give it out to the world?"

      The Indians are usually quite willing to give away something that would help the animals because it would put them in better standing with their spirit guides. I wonder which tribe developed this? Was it Cherokee or Apache? I bet it was the Shawnee.

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  4. Did you even read the article? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's already a vaccine for H5N1; all this article is saying is that now an Indian lab has produced one as well, so they don't have to import it.

    Great editing, as usual.

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    1. Re:Did you even read the article? by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i wonder if this is an announcemnet of a generic copy. Indians usually leave the Rnd to other companies then use that research to make generic copies of drugs. That way they do not need to invest money in developing the drug, just copying it. This allows them to charge much less for the drug and still make money because there were almost no costs in developing it. Sucks for the company that did the Rnd though.

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    2. Re:Did you even read the article? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the article:

      Rai informed the meeting that a comprehensive draft report had been submitted to an ICAR committee to develop guidelines for intellectual property management and commercialisation of technologies in the national agricultural system under the ICAR.

      Your comment reminds me of the large US hi-tech companies accusing the Chinese of "stealing their IP" and then getting caught with their pants down when it turns out they were not delivering the "IP" they promised in their contracts.

      The "all the Chinese, Indians and other Asians can do is copy our great Western inventions" story is getting old very quickly, and more untrue every day. It would surprise me if they don't soon overtake the Western companies concerning the amount of awarded patents and things like that.

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    3. Re:Did you even read the article? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The "all the Chinese, Indians and other Asians can do is copy our great Western inventions" story is getting old very quickly, and more untrue every day.

      That's not what I got out of the comment. What I read was that they do copy "our great western" innovations. And, it's true. In exchange, we patent their folk remedies. Isn't global trade wonderful?

      China is especially guilty of this. They have never had any regard for anyone's IP (good or ill.)

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  5. But it sounds as if it's no big deal :( by CurtMonash · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is described as an indigineous replacement for something they can already import. It sounds as if it's just for birds.

    And you hardly can inoculate all the poultry in a country. So the significance of this seems pretty limited.

    Dang. I had my hopes way up from reading the headline.

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  6. Over-stating the case by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's not jump the gun here. The big threat to humans is a mutated strain of something like H5N1 that does the damage of the original bird flu but spreads through humans as fast as a human flu. Developing a vaccine for this threat requires knowing what the threat is, and as yet, there have been no confirmed cases of human-human transmission.

    Even with recent advances, developing and mass-producing vaccines takes several weeks, by which time the vaccine will be irrelevant for many people if the mutated strain starts to spread. This is the nightmare scenario, and is why so much research is currently being done into improving vaccine development, and so much planning focusses on identifying human-human transmission as early as possible.

    Of course anything to reduce the spread of the original bird flu also reduces the opportunity for a mutated strain to develop, and is therefore a good thing. But let's not misunderstand what's been achieved here.

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    1. Re:Over-stating the case by spiritraveller · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course anything to reduce the spread of the original bird flu also reduces the opportunity for a mutated strain to develop, and is therefore a good thing. But let's not misunderstand what's been achieved here.

      But that is exactly what makes it important. India having it's own vaccine means that she can do a much better job of innoculating her own chickens, which dramatically reduces the likelihood that a mutated human-to-human-contagious form of the disease would come from India.

      Being that India is the 2nd most populated country in the world, I'd say that this is very significant.

  7. You do realize by quo_vadis · · Score: 2, Informative

    that this vaccine is for birds and not humans. The vaccine will prevent avian to human transmission, but will be useless if H5N1, the avian flu virus mutates into human infective form.

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  8. Glass half empty and full by Hao+Wu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Developing a vaccine was never the problem, rather making it FAST enough in sufficient quantities in the event of a pandemic. There is no guessing the genetic sequence of the virus before then, and basically a year of production is required after when ever it appears. Not before.

    Whatever vaccine they made today is not going to be greatly effective when a bird flu mutates and becomes transmittable from person-to-person.

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  9. "One less thing to worry about"? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Funny

    Was the 42nd victim a troublemaker?

  10. Oh man!!! by rowama · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just finished my underground shelter yesterday. It had food, cable internet, food, cable and sat TV, food, PS2, food, games, food, a bed, food, etc. I ordered a special computer. What shall I do with all these preps...

    I guess I could just seclude myself, eat, sit at the computer, play games, watch TV. Actually, nothing has changed.

  11. Re:Fewer, not less by z0idberg · · Score: 2, Funny

    didn't you get that memo?

  12. How Effective is It? by giafly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Until we know how well it works - and I can't find any information linked to today's news - it's too soon to say "one less thing to worry about."

    BTW: Didn't Hungarian Scientists do this in 2005? "Hungary's health minister says a bird flu vaccine appears to be effective in early tests. The vaccine works against H5N1 Hungary's health minister says a bird flu vaccine appears to be effective in early tests. The trial jab appears to protect humans and animals against the lethal H5N1 virus, preliminary results show." - BBC 19 October 2005

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  13. In Relelated News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    US Pharmas have developed a suite of drugs to control the symptoms of the flu. They immediately opened talks with both Congress and the administration to pressure India to prevent deployment of their vaccine. "Implementation of the Indian solution would not be in the best interests of the US or the world," said a Pharma spokesperson.

    Is there a +5 Cynical?

  14. Re:this is what no ip does... by ShadowFlyP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know which choir you think you're preaching to, but it is not the majority of the Slashdot crowd.

    Many of us may not agree with the current implementation of some IP protections (software patents especially), but I think there are very few of us that would be for the abolishment of IP enforcement. If you truely think about it, it is only with IP enforcment that software licenses such as the GPL can work. Without IP rights, anyone would be able to take all of the GPL licensed code and integrate it into closed source applications without any contribution back to the community. Only through IP enforcement can we prevent the "embrace and extend" philosopy that leads to proprietarity.

  15. Offiicial Press Release Link by jgercken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Official Press Release at: http://www.icar.org.in/pr/16072006.htm

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  16. No, it is for birds... by denjin · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article above is missing the specifics, so try this one:
    http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?se ctid=4&articleid=7162006205183757162006204743859

    "The vaccine will be injected into birds to prevent them from getting infected, he said.
    A government statement said it was a homologous vaccine derived from the H5N1 strain."

    The point of it is to stop it in birds, so it can't get on to humans I imagine.

  17. Awesome! by Phoenix666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But what ever are Fox, CNN, and the Bush administration going to use to distract us now? It's been such an integral part of their claim that the sky is falling and that we should therefore hand over all our freedoms. Does this mean double helpings of immigrant phobia? Would have to be, since if they whip up North Korea or Iran, they'd actually have to do something about it.

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