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Cleaning Uranium Waste with Bacteria

Roland Piquepaille writes "Nuclear bombs can kill people even if they're not used. In the U.S. alone, the Department of Energy estimates that more than 2,500 billion liters of groundwater are contaminated with uranium as a consequence of nuclear weapons production. In "Uranium 'pearls' before slime," scientists from the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) say they discovered that some common bacteria could "convert deadly heavy metal into less threatening nano-spheres." In fact, these bacteria can convert soluble radioactive uranium into a non-toxic solid form called uraninite. Still, more research needs to be done before using these bacteria on a large scale, but it's a step in the good direction. Read more for additional references and photos showing how Shewanella oneidensis can help us to decontaminate groundwater at nuclear waste sites."

154 comments

  1. They must have digested this posting because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They must have digested this posting because all i see is "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."

    1. Re:They must have digested this posting because... by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

      "these bacteria can convert soluble radioactive uranium" , now what about
      the NON-SOLUABLE parts? Douchebags!!!

    2. Re:They must have digested this posting because... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Those aren't going to solve in the ground water now are they?

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  2. 2500 billion? by IlliniECE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be cooler to say 2.5 trillion?

    1. Re:2500 billion? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      No.

      1 trillion = a billion times a billion

      2500 billion != a billion times a billion

    2. Re:2500 billion? by nolife · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would have used 5.07210338 × 10^14 US teaspoons

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    3. Re:2500 billion? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are several uses of billion which may or may not add up to 2.5 trillion. The British and American system's billion is not the same.

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    4. Re:2500 billion? by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. In the commonly used system today, 2500 billion (2,500,000,000,000) IS equal to 2.5 Trillion (2,500,000,000,000) as 1 billion would equal 1,000,000 * 1,000. However, in the old system 2.5 Trillion would equal 2,500,000 Billion, as 1 billion would equal 1,000,000 * 1,000,000

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    5. Re:2500 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me correct you on this:

      thousand = 10^3
      million = 10^6
      trillion = 10^9
      {standard_latin_prefix_N}-llion = 10^(3*N) ...(for N>1, if N=1, it is a thousand, if N=0, it is one, if N=-1, it is a thousandth, and for N<-1, it is {prefix_|N|}-ionth)

      Similar rules apply in the software world (using greek prefixes): kilobyte = 2^(1*10), megabyte = 2^(2*10), gigabyte = 2^(3*10), etc (without N<0--though values do exist under a different system for N=-1 and N=-3)

    6. Re:2500 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was correct with the latin prefixes, but I said a trillion is 10^9. It is 10^12 (somewhat consistent with the system I described). But the system has a minor flaw. It is 10^(3*(N+1)). For billion (bi, 2), it is 10^9. For trillion (tri, 3) is is 10^12.

    7. Re:2500 billion? by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      I think it would be cooler to say .0025 quadrillion.

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    8. Re:2500 billion? by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

      As usual, there's more than one correct meaning.

    9. Re:2500 billion? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I was actually taught this in school during the '60s (in Australia), also 1B = 1M * 1M. I think it was one of those US vs UK things like color vs colour.

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    10. Re:2500 billion? by kirun · · Score: 1

      So, for readers in the UK, what's that in Routemaster London buses?

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    11. Re:2500 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So by "wrong", you actually mean "right" ...

    12. Re:2500 billion? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Yes and Trillion = Billion * Billion is none of them.

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    13. Re:2500 billion? by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 1

      Color, humor, flavor, etc. Waste not =D.

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  3. For the love of Christ people! by tokenhillbilly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Didn't anybody ever watch TROMA's "The Toxic Advenger". What's going to happen to these bugs after they've eaten all the plutonium and come after the people? Oh, the humanity!

    1. Re:For the love of Christ people! by Frightening · · Score: 1

      We will be forced to nuke them from orbit, only way to make sure. /*scratches head

      But wait..

  4. Great... by grogdamighty · · Score: 1

    We're going from "Ick... tastes like radiation" to "Mmm...! Tastes like Shewanella oneidensis!"

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    1. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      We're going from "Ick... tastes like radiation" to "Mmm...! Tastes like Shewanella oneidensis!"
      I think you are going to be a little disappointed on the "tastes like radiation" part. U-238 has a half-life of over 4 billion years. Even U-235 has an excessively large 700 million year half life. To say uranium (enriched or otherwise) is radioactive is technically true. But it sort of loses its meaning when compared to something like Co-60. The most likely cause of death if you are around uranium is heavy metal poisoning, not death from radiation.

      If you want to get a decent dose from uranium you are either going to need a lot of uranium around you or a very long time to be exposed.
    2. Re:Great... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      Or be exposed to U238. A spec of dust can kill you from the radiation.

      However I do remember reading that chernobyl will be habitable in 400 years so I wonder about the half life? Most of it after 20 years is quite habitable and safe though the hot spots are not which is why its still closed off.

      Natural Uranium contains very very small amounts of U238 so its safe to touch but dont confuse it with refined weapons or plant grad e isotypes.

    3. Re:Great... by Aglassis · · Score: 5, Informative
      Or be exposed to U238. A spec of dust can kill you from the radiation.

      Natural Uranium contains very very small amounts of U238 so its safe to touch but dont confuse it with refined weapons or plant grad e isotypes.
      What? You are probably thinking about the plutonium urban legend that has been spread around by Ralph Nader. Plutonium dust is also about as toxic as any other heavy metal. Feel free to try to counter my statement with facts, but I ask that you calculate the activity of that spec of dust and then calculate the expected dose. Until you can do that, you really can't tell me how lethal it is (by the way, the fact that activity is calculated with only the decay constant and the number of atoms should clue you in that a spec of uranium, which will have extremely small values for both the decay constant and the number of atoms, will also have an extremely small value for its activity).

      Second, U-238 is 99.28% of natural uranium. U-235 is 0.72% Weapons grade, or enriched uranium is natural uranium that has a much higher percentage of U-235.
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  5. Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Black-Six · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If one were to input this common bacteria into a operating nuclear reactor, would that mean that the reactor would clean itself the longer it operated? Of couse there would have to be a way to seperate core material from already used fuel to prevent the bacteria from shutting it down. But if it were possible, wouldn't this be be more efficent than summarily throwing away the whole fuel rod assembly? Look forward to seeing your all's response's.

    1. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Drewsonian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe not quite a "Holy Grail," but a possible solution nonetheless. It seems like the spent fuel would have to be removed from the reactor as it is currently and transported to a safe storage location on or off site in order for the bacteria to have a controlled environment to work their alleged magic. But you'd also have to consider the type of fuel. It would likely take less time for bacteria to attack and transform nuclear pellets than fuel rods, because the pellets have a greater surface area to "attack."

      It'd be interesting to get more information on how long it takes the bacteria to transform the material, the lifespan, and reproductive cycle of the bacteria. If you need a massive quantity, it may not be quite so feasible.

    2. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by DJCacophony · · Score: 1

      I don't think the bacteria would appreciate the 10 million degree temperatures.

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    3. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Fission reactors operate at a few hundred degrees - which is probably still enough to kill the bacteria even before we start asking questions about the radiation levels. You may be thinking of fusion reactors, which use ultra-hot plasmas, but they don't contain or produce uranium and are pretty much vaporware at the moment anyway.

    4. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Politely, no. The organism is filtering free ions in solution, and using them for its energy needs, in the process precipitating out less-soluble minerals. This may be the origin of uranium deposits which are mined, at least in some cases.

      So, the purpose here is if you have a mess such as Hanford, i.e. millions of gallons of highly radioactive soluble waste, this bacterium can help precipitate is as uranite, and take it out of your water supply. It's not going to dine on fuel rods. I'm not sure you'd want that anyway, as it would be fairly annoying to hear about rolling blackouts due to a bacterial infestation eating a reactor core.

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    5. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uranium in reactors is inside fuel pellets that are encased in a zirconium cladding (kind of like the chocolate inside an M&M candy). Those fuel pellets are then embedded or sandwiched in fuel plates made from various forms of stainless steel with zirconium cladding as well. The uranium fuel does not move around. I doubt the bacteria could penetrate those materials to get to the uranium. In theory, the uranium and its fission products (gases and solids) should never leave the confines of the fuel pellets. Overheating of the fuel plates can cause steam crevice corrosion (in a pressurized water reactor at least) which leads to blistering and swelling of the fuel plates which could then release uranium and the fission products to the primary coolant. The primary source of long term radiation in the primary coolant is not from the uranium itself, it is from the alpha, beta, and gamma energy and particles released that make other materials around the core and suspended in the primary coolant radioactive. Basically, small particles of rust and corrosion from the piping becoming activated. If I remember correctly, cobolt60 is the biggest offender. Of course cleanup and disposal of the coolant has nothing to do with what is left behind and contained in those fuel pellets!

      If you ever are in a position that you need to shut down a reactor really quick, inject some boron or borated water into the core. That will absorb the thermal neutrons preventing them from being reflected back into the fuel pellets and stopping the chain reaction.

    6. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about we splice in some DNA from a viral ideology and then let this thing loose in say, Iran? No more need for another preemptive Israeli airstrike.

    7. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by DJCacophony · · Score: 0

      You have no clue what you're talking about. Fission operates at tens of millions of degrees. The fuel rods are so hot after use that they take months to cool down in the spent fuel pool.

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    8. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Fission operates at tens of millions of degrees. The fuel rods are so hot after use that they take months to cool down in the spent fuel pool.
      Where do I begin?

      I suppose that you could say that for the first millionth of a second or so after a fission, a very localized area around a fission event might have a temperature of tens of millions of degrees. This is because any fission fragment will typically have a kinetic energy of about 60-80 MeV after a fission event (which accounts to a speed of about 1/30th that of light). As it rams into neighboring atoms it will obviously impart a lot of energy in a very small area (it is said that a single fission event can cause a grain of sand to visibly jump). But after that very brief period of time the heat will transfer to the surroundings.

      The highest temperature in a fuel element is called the peak fuel centerline temperature (PFCT or PCT). Except for inert gas cooled reactors this value will not be higher than roughly 2500 F. The reason is simple if you are familiar with the design of steam plants (note: PWR is assumed for the rest of this discussion though you should be able to see that the BWR analysis is similar in results). This might seem like a large jump in topic considering that we were talking about the fuel element before, but as in many things in nuclear engineering, they are releated. Assuming saturated non-supercritical steam (to simplify the analysis), and assuming the Ideal Gas Law Applies (technically we need the van der Waal's equation of state, but we won't be that far off with the Ideal Gas Law), and assuming the steam stops are shut on the steam generator, we have a confined gas in a finite volume container which is bounded by the steam stop to the water level. It's pressure will be determined by its temperature. Well, this is not entirely true since as the temperature rises more water is going to boil off. This in turn raises the pressure which raises the temperature of the boiling point. But you should get the general gist: look up in a steam table what pressure a steam generator would be at if it had a temperature of 500 C, for example. Could you design it to have a reasonable volume (so that you could output a lot of steam to spin your turbines)?

      Ok, back to our first part, primary water cools the fuel elements. This goes on to heat the steam generator. In order to keep the primary liquid, you have a pressurizer, which has the same requirements as the steam generator discussed before. You additionally have primary piping that has a pressure limit. Hence, you don't want your water coming off the fuel elements to be too hot otherwise you will start boiling water in the primary loop. You can raise that level by increasing the pressure, but there is a limit. The steam generator discussion comes in in the fact that it will have the temperature of roughly the mean between the water that comes off of your fuel elements and the water before it cools your fuel elements. To prevent heating your water too much you must have a sufficient flow rate of water to cool the fuel elements. Therefore the outside of your fuel elements will have a temperature only a little higher than the temperature of your steam generator. Now the easy part: with a constant power output (from your steam generators in steam), you can calculate the PCT solely from the current reactor power. PCT will follow it almost linearly. If you get bored and want to read a book on nuclear engineering you will find that it will typically be less than 2500 F.

      Second, when people say fuel elements are hot, they are using slang. 'Hot' in the nuclear industry is synonymous with highly radioactive. It is true that fuel elements generate heat by radioactive decay after a reactor is shutdown (called decay heat), but any simple cooling system could take care of that. They are put in big pools because water is a cheap radiation shield. And it cools the fuel elements at the same time.
    9. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Stephen+H-B · · Score: 1
      You're either deliberately misinforming, or an idiot. Either way, time for some correction.

      Fission reactions do not require high temperatures, the fission reaction produces heat and this heat is what is used in a fission reactor to heat water (or other coolant, some use liquid sodium/potassium alloys). This 'hot' (radiated) coolant then goes through a heat exchanger to 'cold' water, producing steam to drive a turbine.

      If you got a fuel rod a tens of millions of degrees (assuming for a moment that anything could be solid at that temperature) and put it into water, it would explode. Fuel rods are kept in the spent fuel pool to cool down from operating temperatures of several hundred degrees, and to allow short half-life byproducts to dissipate before disposal/reprocessing.

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    10. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Stephen+H-B · · Score: 1
      ^^ Sibling post gave a better technical refutation, so I'll just resort to name calling.

      Nyer, nyer. Pwnt.

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    11. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by OmnipotentEntity · · Score: 1

      No. Nuclear Reactors get HOT. There are bacteria that can survive at 200 degrees F, sure. But we're talking around 2500 degrees and upward.

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    12. Re:Could this be a "Holy Grail" of reactors here? by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      If one were to input this common bacteria into a operating nuclear reactor, would that mean that the reactor would clean itself the longer it operated?



      No, it would simply mean that the bacteria die due to the high temperature. It's hot inside an opeating nuclear reactor.

  6. Recycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, but is there any bacteria that can take care of Roland Piquepaille?

    1. Re:Recycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I thought he was the bacteria?

  7. This is a horrible idea by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    We cannot simply exploit these living animals for our own selfish needs. These bacteria need to be allowed free range so they can live healthy, happy, natural lives without human oppression. We have a consistent track record of exploiting animals for our own use - even torturing them for our own entertainment. These bacteria need to be protected immediately! Oh won't someone please think of the bacteria!

    1. Re:This is a horrible idea by vinividivici · · Score: 1

      I can't tell, is this post serious or not because if it is serious, PETA just found a new campaign.
      Thanks for feeding the fire that is PETA. Next thing you know, they'll be the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and Bacteria.

    2. Re:This is a horrible idea by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You spelled it wrong. Take a look at their logo; it's PeTA. "Ethical" is obviously the least important part of their operations.

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    3. Re:This is a horrible idea by kfg · · Score: 1

      Oh won't someone please think of the bacteria!

      I'm with ya, bro'. Just wait a mo' while I finish this yogurt.

      KFG

    4. Re:This is a horrible idea by radiotyler · · Score: 1

      PETAB sounds like a flavor of cola gone very, very wrong.

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    5. Re:This is a horrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps People Eating Tasty Animals and Bacteria. Noone wants to eat radioactive bacteria (or animals)!

      Stop using tasty lifeforms for nuclear or industrial waste cleanup! They should remain in their natural environments (the dinner table)!

    6. Re:This is a horrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw the bacteria! What's it ever done for us? Well, aside for cheese. And beer.

    7. Re:This is a horrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The intent is to emphasize the e

      As in People Eating Tasty Animals.

    8. Re:This is a horrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of...
      http://motd.ambians.com/quotes.php/name/freebsd_fo rtunes_3/toc_id/1-0-4/s/972

      Damn lameness filter wouldn't let me post it, even after I put all of the capitalized words into lower case (with just the first letter capitalized).

    9. Re:This is a horrible idea by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

      Someone should form the People for the Ethnical treatment of Animals. Italian Roast Beef anyone?

    10. Re:This is a horrible idea by Nutria · · Score: 1
      Screw the bacteria! What's it ever done for us? Well, aside for cheese. And beer.

      Bacteria spoils beer, which is a Bad Thing, no?

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    11. Re:This is a horrible idea by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I think it's yeast that gives us beer, not bacteria.

    12. Re:This is a horrible idea by Nutria · · Score: 1
      To be fair, I think it's yeast that gives us beer, not bacteria.

      Without http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer's_Yeast, there is no beer.

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    13. Re:This is a horrible idea by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      No, the spoiling of beer is most definitely a good thing.

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  8. Uraninite...? by FlyByPC · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They use this stuff to test Geiger counters -- since it emits at a high enough rate to make them go nuts. How is this "non-toxic"?

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    1. Re:Uraninite...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It may be radioactive, but at least it won't get in people's drinking water.

    2. Re:Uraninite...? by kfg · · Score: 1

      How is this "non-toxic"?

      What they are speaking of is chemical toxicity. Poisonous.

      Lead, the final result of uranium decay, is no longer radioactive, but it is still poisonous.

      KFG

    3. Re:Uraninite...? by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      i guess the idea is that non-soluable uranium will pass right through you, while disolved uranium will get stuck in your tissues. Also once it is precipitated you can filter it out of the water completely.
      Peat moss captures iron ions so well that there is an ore named after it called 'bog ore'

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    4. Re:Uraninite...? by DarthBart · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uranium is primarily an alpha emitter. Alpha particles can be stopped by a layer of clothing. Sure, its radioactive, but it won't turn you into the Toxic Avenger unless you consume it and it can directly irradiate your innards from the inside.

    5. Re:Uraninite...? by asuffield · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uranium isn't particularly radioactive and what it emits from radioactive decay isn't particularly dangerous (mostly alphas, which are blocked by everything, including your skin and a couple inches of air) - it has a long half life, but there's millions of tons of the stuff all over the planet and you aren't dead yet. Most Geiger counters will go 'nuts' at almost anything that's big enough to handle, since they're usually designed to find trace amounts of radioactive material; a large lump of anything will test them effectively, but uraninite is fairly safe to handle so it's a good choice.

      Uranium *fission* is dangerous but that doesn't happen unless somebody wants it to. Nuclear reactor waste fuel is dangerously radioactive primarily due to the assorted byproducts of fission that are still stuck in it (and most of those will decay in a few months or years - highly radioactive things have short half lives, by definition).

      Uranium is a dangerous element to deal with because most of the forms it's used in happen to be extremely poisonous without needing to decay. Getting it into a non-toxic form is a good idea. (Shoving it back into a reactor is a better idea, but it's cheaper to bury it than to reprocess it)

  9. Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Nuclear bombs can kill people even if they're not used. In the U.S. alone, the Department of Energy estimates that more than 2,500 billion liters of groundwater are contaminated with uranium as a consequence of nuclear weapons production. Ok, let's be scientific here. First, the proposed problem is not that unused nuclear bombs can kill people themselves, but that the production of nuclear weapons creates a radioactive byproduct that is alleged to be dangerous. Where is this byproduct located? Is it contaminating known in use reservoirs? Is it all far away from any humans that would use this groundwater? Or is it somewhere in between? Assuming people are ingesting the radioactive byproduct, how many rads are they irradiated with? Is it a neglible amount? Are they dying in their showers? This story hasn't bothered to be consistent with its own terminology, and I don't think it's too early to call it hysterical fearmongering sans hard data.

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    1. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Well, whatever your into. Personally I prefer my drinking water with zero amount of nuclear by-products

    2. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Drinking water with zero nuclear byproducts would cost an infinite amount of money. But if you want to set a tolerance (for a finite amount of money), tell me what it is and justify why you think that level is safe.

      Problems always get harder when you have to put them into the real world. I would like to have zero atoms of arsenic in my drinking water, but I settle for 10 ppb. Why not 5 ppb? Or 1 ppt? Or 1 ppmttmb (million trillion trillion million billion)? Answer: because we live in the real world.

    3. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      You could buy distilled water which would remove any metallic ions including radioactive ones. Taste like crap though but great if you have kidney problems like stones.

    4. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will someone please provide statistics on the prevalance of radioactive material in the environment in general, nuclear byproduct and otherwise? (Heck, you could count oxygen as a nuclear byproduct of fusion in a star somewhere if you cared to...)

    5. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      Check out the fate of the Navajo tribes that mined ore on their reservation. It does have a fairly severe health impact.

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    6. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could buy distilled water which would remove any metallic ions including radioactive ones.

      Bullshit! It will remove most of the metallic ions (unless you have infinitely expensive steam dryers), which leads us back to our initial problem. And even if it did remove all of the metalic ions from the water, did they use glass or metal tubing in the deionizing plant? In that case, there will be minute amounts of radioactive material in the glass and the metal that will escape during use? Was the plastic for a bottle made with any metal parts? Were the hydrocarbons that made the plastic taken from the ground and made infinitely pure from radioactive atoms (hint: burning hydrocarbons releases more radioactivity to the atmosphere per year than operating nuclear plants)?

      I could go on, but I hope you finally get my point. There is no such thing as zero. Any decent engineer realizes this and sets tolerances based on good engineering experience and design.

    7. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by apenzott · · Score: 1

      Will someone please provide statistics on the prevalance of radioactive material in the environment in general, nuclear byproduct and otherwise? (Heck, you could count oxygen as a nuclear byproduct of fusion in a star somewhere if you cared to...)


      Here is the isotope list for Hydrogen. Except for Tritium, the half-life is quite short for these isotopes.

      And here is the isotope list for Oxygen
        (Note that except for the stable isotopes, all the others have a half-life of two minutes or less.)

      Finally a nice large color chart of all of the known isotopes with an indication of approximate half-life of each isotope.
       
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    8. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by leonidas · · Score: 1

      Those are all valid questions. The DOE maintains a number of so-called lagacy sites where materials were produced for nuclear weapons and nuclear fuel. Some sites are pretty far from large population centers, others are in that "somewhere in between" area. At this moment, the uranium from DOE's lagacy sites isn't poisoning anyone. Drinking water supplies near a couple of these DOE sites do show elevated (compared to the natural background) levels of uranium and those levels are rising. However, those levels are vastly below the levels of associated with either acute or chronic toxicity. Certainly no one is dying in their shower -- which is charming if rather hyperbolic imagery.

      I have to take exception with your last sentence. That *you* don't know the hard data does not mean that hard data does not exist. The article at the PNNL website is written for public consumption and is therefore written more or less at the level of an article in the New York Times science section. A vast scientific literature exists on the problem of uranium and other metal contamination in ground water. DOE's legacy sites are extremely complex geobiochemical systems, but they have been studied for decades at this point. A lot is known about the long term threat posed by these contaminated ground waters, although a lot is yet to be learned. That a problem is not an immediate health threat in the "people dying in the shower" sense, does not mean that an active response to an existing problem is not merited.

    9. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bite troll. ..radioactive byproduct that is alleged to be dangerous.
      Hey, come volunteer for some 'work at Chernobyl or 3 mile Island, you lousy PR shit. Probably the same PRist who said agent orange is good for you.

      There are studies that all ionising radiation is bad for you, the birth deformities of Hirishoma and Bahgdad, are well, bad, just as New Jersians enjoy the bounty of New York.

      Anyway the 'research' shows that getting some U235 to U02, less soluble, is better, that is if the dioxins, Plutonium, or the alpha/beta residues of the booster do not get you first. Nice, but empirical evidence shows that the 'depleted uraninium' is causing lots of birth deformities, of OUR people, as well. Not good.

      The newsflash is that Uranium bombs are obsolete, and Plutonium/Tritium 'pits' are being made again. Contamination is higher than secret - Indian Politicians are not even allowed to 'know'. No surprise, we have dreadfully contaminated sites, and there are coverups, and PR playdowns to 'manage' reality.

      Lowering the amount of U out of our drinking water is a good start, but that leaves may other residues and contaminants, dioxins, ddt, pcbs, you name it.

      Traditionally the rich and well heeled like away from 'worker' areas, but of late, even they are getting cancers. One suspects , global poisoning is a consequence of modern industrialization .

    10. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by cfan · · Score: 1

      Uranium in the water is harmfull, even if the radiation is low: uranium is a heavy metal, and so it is toxic.

    11. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by iamblades · · Score: 1

      To really get to the point, the water is self mostly a nuclear byproduct by weight, along with everything else in the universe that isn't 100% H1.

      Granted this nuclear process was billions of years ago, and wasn't man made, but the OP did not specify 'manmade nuclear byproducts'.

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    12. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by khallow · · Score: 1
      Hey, come volunteer for some 'work at Chernobyl or 3 mile Island, you lousy PR shit. Probably the same PRist who said agent orange is good for you.

      It wouldn't prove much. While there still is some danger at Chernobyl, it isn't particularly risky these days. And Three Mile Island isn't any more dangerous than any other piece of North American real estate these days. Agent orange has a far longer half-life than most of the radioactive materials released (or not released in the case of Three Mile Island).

    13. Re:Sloppiness or Intentional Fearmongering? by frankie · · Score: 1

      Way to go, AC, you drop yourself down to zero credibility in the first two sentences.

      BTW, much more radiation flows into air and groundwater by way of your average coal power plant than any nuclear plant in western civilization.

  10. Sweet by BungeBash · · Score: 0

    My cartoon fantasies of giant mutated bacteria is coming to life!

  11. Hardly "clean" by Takari · · Score: 0, Redundant

    These bacteria cannot change what isotope the Uranium is in, and thus cannot remove the radioactivity. All they do is create a non-soluble oxide so it doesnt poison groundwater.

    1. Re:Hardly "clean" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it doesn't pollute the groundwater, it isn't dangerous. It's tied up neatly in solid form not going anywhere. Uranium decays via emitting alpha-particles. Alpha-particles are relatively low energy, and can be stopped by a sheet of paper, so standing near an alpha-source is not dangerous unless you can ingest or breathe the radiactive substance.

  12. Uninvited by Drewsonian · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else see the last episode of Stargate? Small creatures + radioactivity = large man eating monsters

    1. Re:Uninvited by amide_one · · Score: 1

      So we're safe as long as we don't hang out too long in pockets of subspace, then. Phew!

    2. Re:Uninvited by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a tired plot device: see also Gojira and Mosura.

  13. And? by Phanatic1a · · Score: 1

    the Department of Energy estimates that more than 2,500 billion liters of groundwater are contaminated with uranium as a consequence of nuclear weapons production.

    Not to mention the oceans.

    This probably has something to do with the fact that uranium is a naturally occurring mineral that's pretty much omnipresent at one concentration or another in any lump of soil you'd care to dig up. Oh noes!

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just because it's a trace element doesn't mean it's good for you. Contaminated means there are high levels. Saying it's a naturtally occuring trace element is just rationalizing irresponsible handling of nuclear materials. Most of the contamination actually has come from nuclear weapons and other government backed sites because there is less strict oversight. The work is seen as vital so a whatever it takes attitude is taken. The problem is most of the sites haven't even started their clean up so no one really knows how much it'll costs. The Hanover site in Washington State has been worked on for decades and costs tens of billions of dollars to date with no end in sight. Let's clean up the mess we've made before we go making an even bigger mess. Do you have a clue how much 2,500 billion liters is?

  14. This is why I love slashdot by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 4, Funny

    All these awesome science stories, cutting edge stuff that not even digg or fark dares to post.

    (looks closer) Oh. Its a roland piquapallawhatever submitted story.

    (is eaten by a grue)

    1. Re:This is why I love slashdot by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      (looks closer) Oh. Its a roland piquapallawhatever submitted story.
      I use Slashdot's new Keyword system to mark all Roland P. stories as "pigpile". I'm hoping it will catch on.

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  15. don't worry about those 'nano' particles either by machine+of+god · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't worry about it, it's all planned out. The gorillas will all freeze to death when winter comes around.

  16. Wasn't this- by Omeger · · Score: 1

    Already posted before not too long back?

    1. Re:Wasn't this- by cswiii · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually perhaps even further back than you might imagine! I submitted something that seems quite similar... back in 1999?

    2. Re:Wasn't this- by RMB2 · · Score: 1

      well done cswiii, he must be new here

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  17. Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by reporter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We should not be surprised over the fact that these bacteria actually thrive on the radioactive uranium instead of being killed by it.

    Look at how wildfire has actually thrived in the radioactive area contaminated by the Chernobyl accident. That radioactive area is called the Chernobyl zone and has been devoid of people for more than 20 years. The absense of people (who are known killers of wildlife) has enabled wildlife to re-populate the Chernobyl zone.

    In the long run, the stupidity (also known as nuclear weapons and global warming) of man may exterminate mankind, but nature will survive. Heed the wisdom of the Native Americans: "The earth does not belong to man; man belongs to the earth."

    1. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Most of chenrobyl is safe again. Go google more on this and you will find links to people who have visited including a well known photographer?

      However near the plant and other hot spots you can certainly see problems. Radiatation 10,000x more than normal has stunted growth on many pine trees just nort of the plant. Also I would not go anywhere near the vehicles used for teh cleanup at the dump without a radiation suit. It certainly affects nature but if your not in a hot spot which 90% of the area closed off is not, then you wont see and anything far from ordinary.

    2. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      Look at how wildfire has actually thrived in the radioactive area contaminated by the Chernobyl accident.

      Yeah, because people were rampantly killing wildfire. And it has not been devoid of people (there are groups that refused to leave, and continue to be there). Maybe the radiation has mutated them to be able to produce energy from the sun, so they don't have to kill things to live. And it made them really small, so they don't take up any space where animals and plants would otherwise be.

      people (who are known killers of wildlife)

      Wildlife is also a known killer of wildlife. Sadly, animals haven't learned eat dirt, and continue to kill each other and plants. I say we send them all to rehabilitation clinics.

      In the long run, the stupidity (also known as nuclear weapons and global warming) of man may exterminate mankind, but nature will survive.

      Right now, we're winning. We'll probably find a new planet, where we'll bring all the fluffy animals after we terraform it. Or we'll invent Global Air Conditioning.

      The earth does not belong to man; man belongs to the earth.

      The evil, bourgeois, earth, you mean. It refuses to share with Mars and the Moon! Barren, lifeless planets of the solar system, unite!

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    3. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but the american indians were a bit short-sighted. This planet is the property of h.sapiens. Life itself is doomed unless humans manage to take it to other planets. Life on this planet is doomed unless humans learn how to change this planet to compensate for solar fluxuation. The american indians were worse than most other primitive cultures in their tendency to anthropomorphize. That is a naieve way to view the universe.

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    4. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but you sound as the typical teenager full of *naive* energy thinking that he knows everything in the world. I guess, some *naive* dinosaurs also used to think like you when they were ruling ;-)

      "Life on this planet is doomed unless humans learn how to change this planet to compensate for solar fluxuation."

      I guess you consciently missed all your good biology lessons,

      Yours is an ignorant and arrongant way to view the universe.

    5. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by yoder · · Score: 1

      I have to agree, even though I know it is by far the least popular stance to take in this discussion. To believe that the earth belongs to humans and is ours to do with what we wish is not at all realistic. Buying land does not mean you control it, otherwise there would be no mudslides, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, or forest fires because as our possession we would control what the land and the earth did and when it did it.

      We are residents of the earth, and temporary ones at that unless we get our shit together. Someday, maybe we will be able to do some amazing things with the weather, but we will not control it. Just because a piece of paper says this chunk of land is yours does not mean you control it.

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    6. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if it is popular. It is a FACT that humans are the only species capable of spreading life off earth, and that humans are the only species capable of saving earth from many cosmic disasters.

      To anyone who cares about this amazing phenomenon we call "life," it is obvious that humans are the only species that really matter.

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    7. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      We should not be surprised over the fact that these bacteria actually thrive on the radioactive uranium instead of being killed by it.

      This isn't the first tyme something like this is shown to help clean pollution. Bioremediation has been studied for years. For instance it was shown hemp can be used to clean lead from soil in brownfields. Purdue has a paper going through some of the things hemp can do, Hemp: A New Crop with New Uses for North America*. And hemp is just one of the plants that may be good for bioremediation, another is Kenaf a plant from Africa.

      Falcon
    8. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Bacteria are capable of surviving cosmic desasters and under the right circumstances would be able to spread life to other planets as well (as some could survive travelling through space). And then there's the chance for another intelligent species to emerge should humans disappear.

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    9. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      I understand that bacteria are hardy creatures, but how can this species survive in the world when it does not have uranium to eat? On what does it normally subsist? Are these normal bacteria or special and exotic?

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    10. Re:Nature survives radiation, but man may not. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't expect these to be limited to eating uranium. They can probably eat lots of things, they just do something with them that's desirable for uranium.

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  18. What do you say to people that call you a Ninite? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No uraninite.

  19. Non-toxic? by echostorm · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, RADIOACTIVE is not the same thing as non-toxic and uraninite is pretty danged radioactive. Personally when I think non-toxic I think elmer's glue, not something that in even very small pieces can kill me and my whole family. Urininte Mineral Data: http://webmineral.com/data/Uraninite.shtml

    1. Re:Non-toxic? by AWeishaupt · · Score: 1

      The predominant health risk of Uranium is heavy metal toxicity, not radioactivity.
      Uranium has quite a low specific activity compared to shorter-lived artificial nucleides, and decays predominatly by alpha decay as has already been pointed out.
      Thus, soluble ions of Uranium, and other heavy actinides, are a signifcant environmental health concern, however, the insoluble oxides, such as UO2, PuO2 etc. aren't absorbed into the body, thus mitigating this hazard very significantly.
      Recall Bernard Cohen's famous offer to eat 800mg of Pu oxide on camera.

    2. Re:Non-toxic? by Taevin · · Score: 1

      Why is it that when people here the words "nuclear" or "radioactive" they change from rational human beings into mindless idiots running and screaming in terror? Here's an experiment: Place one gram of Uraninite (or other harmless but omfgradioactive material) into a lead box with the radioactive symbol on the outside and then set the box somewhere downtown in a large city, making sure that he police and press get wind of it. Chances are we'll be in full police-state mode by tomorrow.

      Seriously man, kill you and your whole family with a small piece? According to your own link, you would have to hold an entire kilogram of Uraninite for an entire hour to exceed your average yearly exposure to radiation. Yes that's right, you're being irradiated right now. Yes, I'll wait while you run to the nearest hazmat station. Hell, also according to that link, the maximum yearly exposure is 50,000 mRem which means you could stupidly hold that kilogram of Uraninite for over a day and still be under that exposure limit.

      Next time you hear the words nuclear or radiation, take a deep breath and try to remember that despite what you make think or have been told, not everything "nucular" is bad. Also try to keep in mind that nuclear power plants dump less radioactivity into the environment than your current hydrocarbon-burning shit heap you're running off of now next time someone wants to build one in your area.

  20. Put it back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I am a physicist. I've worked as aerospace engineer on spacecraft hardening and earth-resources monitoring; as chemical engineer on groundwater contamination and chemical remediation; as nuclear engineer as nuclear contamination monitor and waste containment engineer. This is baloney. Bugs which could digest chemicals could help for spills but will not alter or even contain the emitters. You'll only make a sludge full of it. And that won't go away. It all depends upon the type of emitters and whether or not there is mixing and other "digestion". Unless you believe in creationism, better not to believe there's a good way to move this crap back down into the earth where it comes from. This just tries to get a biological mechanism to put it back. Bad idea, 'cause life moves things up.

    1. Re:Put it back. by kemo_by_the_kilo · · Score: 1

      "Bad idea, 'cause life moves things up."
      what goes up must come down?... but seriously...
      What life are you living, the only thing that goes up for me is taxes and bills.

  21. Isotope sorting by bacteria? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if bacteria could sort isotopes, like leaving U238 in solution, but precipitating out U235 as an oxide of some kind. Such a bacterium would have many implications, most of them unpleasant to think about. If they formed a colony in the sea and precipitated out enough U235 all in one spot that would be bad. It seems like something that would be biologically possible.

    1. Re:Isotope sorting by bacteria? by AWeishaupt · · Score: 1

      You're right, a bad thing. The difficulty of isotopic seperation is the only thing that prevents every man and his dog building fission bombs.

    2. Re:Isotope sorting by bacteria? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much. A "gun bomb" design is very very easy to create if you have enough U235. No fancy engineering or anything. They are big, they are crude, they are dirty, the yield is low, but they do go "boom" and could take out a big chunk of a small city.

  22. 2.5 Kiloliters? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    2.5 kiloliters.

  23. oops by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    2.5 billion kiloliters.

  24. Shewanella Oneidensis? Yeah, I dated her... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...though that was back in '92, when she was single, and known as Shewanella Stubbs. She had, how do you say, a certain glow about her...though by the time we were done, that was pretty depleted...

  25. Needs some clarification by Venik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Uranium (natural, enriched, or depleted) is both chemically toxic and radioactive. The article talks about using bacteria to reduce chemical toxicity of this metal. The radioactivity will remain. Chemical toxicity of uranium waste will kill you before its radioactivity does. This is not to say that radioactivity is not a concern.

    Depleted uranium, for example, is only about half as radioactive as naturally-occurring uranium. However, its radioactivity has a cumulative effect. If you are breathing depleted uranium particles or drinking water contaminated with depleted uranium, the radioactive particles will be deposited in your body and radioactivity levels and its effects on your health will grow with time.

    Depleted uranium is used by the US (among a few other countries) in anti-armor ammunition. Hundreds of tons of this stuff have been dispersed in Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. When that artillery shell hits a tank, its depleted uranium content burns and turns into radioactive aerosol, which can stay in the air for days and can be carried by wind dozens of miles. When this radioactive dust eventually settles, it penetrates underground with rainfall and contaminates ground water.

    It was also discovered that, for example, depleted uranium ammunition used by the US in Kosovo, contains trace elements of enriched plutonium, which is not good news either. If you want to test the long-term effects of radioactive waste in ground water on yourself but don't feel like moving to Kosovo, Maryland would be an adequate alternative.

  26. So... by kahrytan · · Score: 1


      So this means there is two lifeforms that shall inherit the earth after nuclear war.

    Roaches and Shewanella oneidensis bacteria.

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  27. I've had it with these bacteria! by ChilyWily · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want these motherfucking bacteria off this motherfucking uranium.

    1. Re:I've had it with these bacteria! by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      I want these motherfucking bacteria off this motherfucking uranium. ...motherfucker.

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  28. Some background on bioremediation by leonidas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reading through the comments so far, there seems to be some misunderstanding of the work by the PNNL crowd and of bioremediation in general. My research group here at Argonne National Laboratory (which outside of Chicago) collaborates with the folks from PNNL. In fact, I am writing this very early on a Sunday morning while measuring the oxidation state of uranium using X-ray Absorption Spectroscopy at the Advanced Photon Source in samples from a collaborator at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which, like PNNL, is a center of research into uranium bioremediation.

    First, a few words about the concept of bioremediation. The Department of Energy became interested in bioremediation of metallic contamination after the extensive success of bioremediative techniques for cleaning up organic contamination -- things like benzene or trichloroethylene. The basic idea is that you dose the ground with bacteria that can metabolize the organic contaminant, let the bugs happily live their lives, then in the end the ground is much cleaner than before. Variations on this technique are in wide use for many organic contaminants and in many places around the world.

    The Department of Energy's started several years ago to fund research into using similiar concepts to clean up ground water contamination associated with various sites where materials for nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel were produced. There are several sites in the US where the groundwater has elevated levels of uranium and other metals. Bioremediation is attractive because it involves remediation in situ. The ground doesn't need to be dug up, which introduces a whole slew of other problems into the mix.

    Unfortunately, metals are different from organics. When a bacterium metabolizes benzene, the benzene goes away. When a dissimilatory metal reducer, like Shewanella, respires on a uranium compound, the most it can do is change the chemical state of uranium. It is impossible to turn the uranium into some other element. As several other posters have pointed out, uraninite (the end product of Shewnella's respiration of uranium compounds) is still radioactive and it is still toxic.

    However, uraninite is not soluble. The uranium in the ground water is in a soluble form and therefore will flow through the ground and find its way into rivers and into drinking water supplies. Uraninite is highly insoluble. When Shewnella converts soluble uranium into uraninite, the uraninite particles adhere to the rocks in the ground.

    Thus uranium bioremediation is a containment-in-place strategy. The danger of the contaminated sites is that the contamination will spread. The uranium-polluted site will still be polluted after the Shewnella has done its thing, but at least the uranium will not move out of the contaminated site. And that's the point of the DOE's bioremediation strategy -- to keep a problem that exists from spreading and becoming a bigger problem.

  29. Why does this sound like... by Exsam · · Score: 1

    ...the plot to a zombie movie? Uranium eating bacteria mutate and infect humans, turning them into radioactive zombies. ...Maybe i've been playing too much Dead Rising.

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    1. Re:Why does this sound like... by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

      No no no! The eventual consequence of using bacteral would cause massive growth into tentacle looking monsters that hunt down Slashdotters with ray guns! This graphic description would explain what they would look like after prolonged exposure to radioactive materials.

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  30. Nature by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
    I think we're entirely capable of exterminating vast portions of nature. Radiation may not do the job, but using a combination of toxic and ultra-stable chemicals, atmospheric contaminants that block light in the energy ranges useful for photosynthesis, and so on, we could definitely leave large sections of the Earth life-free for millenia. With enough damage, we could kill all but the simplest marine life around vents; there probably wouldn't be enough time for multicellular photosynthesizers to re-evolve before either the sun turned into the red giant or the planet's core cooled enough for the oceans to sink into the mantle.

    Really though, it's not that surprising that life can withstand radiation, in hindsight. After all, plants and animals are out there every day, all day, without succumbing to the radiation bombarding them from the sun or from space. The capacity to withstand some levetradiation is already It no doubt helps that the animals don't live for seventy years the way we do -- so cancers are much less of a problem. And plants can take phenomenal amounts of abuse as long as the sun keeps shining and the run keeps falling.

    1. Re:Nature by Decaff · · Score: 1

      Really though, it's not that surprising that life can withstand radiation, in hindsight. After all, plants and animals are out there every day, all day, without succumbing to the radiation bombarding them from the sun or from space.

      It is nothing like the same kind of radiation.

    2. Re:Nature by samkass · · Score: 1

      With enough damage, we could kill all but the simplest marine life around vents; there probably wouldn't be enough time for multicellular photosynthesizers to re-evolve before either the sun turned into the red giant or the planet's core cooled enough for the oceans to sink into the mantle.

      I think this is highly unlikely. Unless our measurements are way, way off, life sprung from nothing to an ocean-full of diverse organisms within a billion years of Earth's formation. Scientific consensus is that the Sun is about halfway through its current phase, so has about 5 billion years to go before it starts running low on hydrogen and becomes a red giant. How fast the Earth is cooling is open for debate (obviously we have a magnetic field around the planet, so it is actively cooling), but I'd be surprised if anything too dramatic happened within a couple billion years, which considering life will have a head-start this time around should be plenty of time.

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    3. Re:Nature by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

      It actually occurred to me since I posted this that hydrothermal vents DO have meagre numbers of ultra-efficient photosynthetic bacteria that live off of the glow of the heated rock. So marine algal mats could rebound quickly. Wee vent fish, crabs, and worms could probably adapt to live off of those mats. So marine life could possibly rebound in just a few million years. And having both a crustacean and a vertebrate in the new order gives it a running shot at having interesting terrestrial life if and when some kind of ur-plant life pops up.

  31. Mod offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uraninite?!

    Superman can't stand up to this, can he?

  32. Re:This is a horrible idea [Mandatory] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought it was [People Eating Tasty Animals], i'd hate to see what people eating These animals would turn out like....

  33. Liters by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why would the US, which measures things in imperial units, be measuring the amount of contaminated ground water in liters?

    That's just my 2 pence...

    1. Re:Liters by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe because while imperial units are adored at so many places, in the scientific world - thankfully - and at so many much more places the metric units are still the standard. You don't write miles and gallons in a scientific paper if you want it to be read thoughtfully and taken seriously everywhere.

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    2. Re:Liters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well actually, the US doesn't use "Imperial Units". Most of the US units are the same as Imperial units, but not all - the Gallon, Quart and Pint are the most obvious exceptions, the Imperial (British Empire) pint being 20 fluid ounces whereas the US pint is only 16 ounces. In both systems a quart is 2 pints, and a gallon 10. That makes the Imperial gallon about 4.5 litres (note the spelling) and the US one only about 3.5 liters.

      As to why the US mis-spells litre...

  34. non-toxic?! by XV-745 · · Score: 1
    From TFA: "uraninite...moves much less freely in soil than its soluble counterpart"

    Yes, these little bugs make uranium less water soluble by converting it to uraninite. Thats good news because it means uranium won't move around so much in surface and groundwater. This method has great potential for slowing down the migration of nuclear waste...

    But Shewanella does not make the uranium disappear into some magical void. Uraninite is still radioactive, and though less toxic than other forms of uranium it's still, um, uranium. I wouldn't recommend feeding it to your kids...

  35. Killing Uranium? by hyfe · · Score: 1

    .. this might be usefull for Iraq and probably now, Libanon.

    Somebody seems to have left wast amounts of depleted Uranium there.

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  36. A trillion liters is nothing. by ccmay · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A trillion liters is 10^12 liters. It is the volume of water contained in a cubic kilometer. It weighs a trillion kilograms, by definition.

    2.5 trillion liters is a vanishingly small amount compared to all the fresh water (not to mention sea water) on Earth. There are 1.4 trillion cubic kilometers of sea water and about 6 billion cubic kilometers of fresh water.

    How much nuclear waste is there? Less than 250,000 tons, or 250 million kilograms, of high level waste in the whole world. If even as much as one one-hundredth of this waste were actually contaminating the groundwater in question, it would be at a concentration by weight of approximately (2.5 million kg) / (2.5 trillion kg) = 1:1,000,000.

    You could drink a liter of this mixture, with no more ionizing radiation than you get from spending a day in a granite building breathing radon-contaminated air, or living for a few days at the altitude of Denver.

    Small quantities of radiation are harmless. The linear no-threshold model of radiation dosimetry is a crock. Life evolved in a constant bath of terrestrial and cosmic radiation, and has very efficient mechanisms for repairing DNA damage from it.

    (All quantities gleaned from Wikipedia)

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    1. Re:A trillion liters is nothing. by Sqreater · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an argument for spreading nuclear was out as much as possible. Let's dump it in the oceans and drop it from airplanes to make it safe.

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  37. Mutations? by Eudial · · Score: 1

    Maybe I've been watching way too many campy sci-fi movies from the 50's, but won't the radiation mutate the bacteria into horrible 50 foot slime-creatures devouring everything in their path?

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  38. This is not about radioactivity by oglueck · · Score: 1

    Just to clarify: The article speaks about the chemical toxic properties of heavy metals (especially Uranium). The toxicity can be eliminated by converting the substance into another chemical compound. The article however does NOT talk about the physical radiocative properties of Uranium. Bacteria CAN NOT convert radioactive substances into non-radioactive ones.

  39. I'll add another silly comparison by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful
    spending a day in a granite building breathing radon-contaminated air
    Most of us would prefer not to do such a thing - so I do not think much of your comparison. How about putting in decent ventilation?

    We can go and pretend that the nuclear research spin offs are all cheap clean and (glowing) green - or we can accept the reality that like any industrial process there are downsides along with the good things and deal with them. We have weapons (like or it not, more countries are getting them), we have incredibly good nuclear medical technology, we have incredibly useful industrial radiography using fairly hot radioactive sources, we have military vessels that can go for a very long time without refueling and we have power plants that ensure that some resource poor countries can endure a naval blockade. We also have expensive ways to boil water or make hydrogen and idiots that insist it is clean enough to brush your teeth with and you can turn a rock into fuel by magic with zero carbon emissions. These one true energy promoters with their scams paid for by taxes are poisioning their own cause by ignoring the waste issue, and almost always ignoring R&D for new designs as well. There are good ideas out there (eg. accelerated thorium), but it is a variation on the 1950's white elephants that would be built today if there is a sudden change becuase we need more effort in research and less stupid advertising and name calling before nuclear power makes sense on it's own merits. It is true that I would be exposed to more radiation at a sand mine tailings area near a major granite area where all the heavy stuff has been dumped for thirty years than outside a great big concrete containment area around a nuclear power plant, but it is as silly a comparison as the one above - since you really don't want to be exposed to radiation in either situation.

    1. Re:I'll add another silly comparison by khallow · · Score: 1
      Most of us would prefer not to do such a thing - so I do not think much of your comparison. How about putting in decent ventilation?

      And what benefit is there to justify the cost of the ventilation? Satisfying an irrational preference to reduce a low level of radiation exposure.

      It is true that I would be exposed to more radiation at a sand mine tailings area near a major granite area where all the heavy stuff has been dumped for thirty years than outside a great big concrete containment area around a nuclear power plant, but it is as silly a comparison as the one above - since you really don't want to be exposed to radiation in either situation.

      Except neither is silly. You keep saying "you don't really want to be exposed to radiation", but I don't see the justification for the cost of avoiding radiation exposure. While I can understand how you might be less than enthused by the highly subsidized train wreck that was the US's 50's era nuclear plant design, the technology has progressed beyond that. It's not enough to trot out the old irrational arguments.

    2. Re:I'll add another silly comparison by dbIII · · Score: 1
      And what benefit is there to justify the cost of the ventilation? Satisfying an irrational preference to reduce a low level of radiation exposure.
      If the amount of radiation exposure to radon gas in those situations is ignorable then why bring it up? Pretending that industrial nuclear materials and waste are harmless is as stupid as doing the same with asbestos - with both things there are situations where they are perfectly safe and others where they are a hazard. The example I had of radioactive sand is enough to be a health hazard - so you deal with it appropriately and limit the exposure people have to it.
      US's 50's era nuclear plant design, the technology has progressed beyond that
      But not the proposed implementations by the people after some goverment hydrogen dollars unfortunately, where being made in the USA will over ride considerations as to whether the technology actually works or not - especially since nuclear is being pushed as the "fast" option to put in quickly to reduced CO2 - as if you can build any sort of large thermal plant quickly let alone an old nuclear plant design, so unfortnately the old irrational arguments still apply while the same old irrational players will be getting the contracts. Even Canada has put far more effort into advancing nuclear power generation technology, but far better work has come out of South Africa, India and even Australia (synrock for waste management) on probably less in total per year than nuclear advertising and lobby money spent in the USA. You would probably get a safer and more modern plant even if you bought it from the Chinese.
    3. Re:I'll add another silly comparison by khallow · · Score: 1

      If the amount of radiation exposure to radon gas in those situations is ignorable then why bring it up?

      Because there are people who don't understand that and make bad decisions based on their fear of microscopic radiation doses.

      But not the proposed implementations by the people after some goverment hydrogen dollars unfortunately, where being made in the USA will over ride considerations as to whether the technology actually works or not - especially since nuclear is being pushed as the "fast" option to put in quickly to reduced CO2 - as if you can build any sort of large thermal plant quickly let alone an old nuclear plant design, so unfortnately the old irrational arguments still apply while the same old irrational players will be getting the contracts.

      Maybe. But I doubt that old designs from the 70's or earlier will be competitive with the new designs out there. Ah, here's a snapshot of what's being considered. It's less than two years old and includes a mix of old and new designs.
  40. Shirow developed a simular idea in Appleseed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    back in the mid 1980s. Shirow san strickes again. Invisible cloaks becoming reality and now this.

  41. Nuclear Life? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I'm a totally layman here, so maybe this is obvious to people who know about it... could you please explain?

    How the heck can bacteria make an unstable nucleus more stable? Are they saying they've found a form of life whose metabolism involves nuclear reactions?!? Is this one of those amazing things that everyone but me has heard about, so I'm left in slack-jawed wonder like a caveman staring at an airplane, while the 21st-century passengers all laugh at me?

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    1. Re:Nuclear Life? by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

      This dosent affect the radioactivity, just the chemical toxicity.

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  42. Re:Great... on enrichment sidenote by jeffsenter · · Score: 1

    Just as a sidenote for people... Wikipedia has more on uranium enrichment.

    Most nuclear power reactors use uranium enriched to 3%-5% U-235 (the rest being U-238). Weapons grade enriched uranium for nuclear bombs typically has at least 85% U-235. A variety of processes can be used for enrichment with centrifuges being the most common.

  43. short sighted? by Doc+Ri · · Score: 1
    It is a FACT that humans are the only species capable of spreading life off earth

    Maybe currently. Four more billion years to go...
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    1. Re:short sighted? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      As the only form of life that understands genetics, there is NO WAY the random mutations of evolution could ever catch up with us.

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    2. Re:short sighted? by walnutmon · · Score: 1

      It could if we went extinct. It happened once, and in an infinate universe, that means it WILL happen again. Figure out how to control the weather? What are you going to do if we are struck by a meteor? Figure out how to overcome terrible catastrophes, what about when the sun collapses? Find another planet with a sun? That will take millions of years of travel, but may be possible. What are you going to do when the universe comes together, or spreads infinately apart so that there is nothing around you?

      The point is, life is temporary, enjoy it.

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    3. Re:short sighted? by Urkki · · Score: 1

      As the only form of life that understands genetics, there is NO WAY the random mutations of evolution could ever catch up with us.

      We *are* a product of "the random mutations of evolution".

      Currently there clearly isn't room for another intelligent species (because we're in the process of killing all the candidates, like whales and other great apes). However, if we were to go extinct, there's no reason why evolution couldn't come up with another intelligent species eventually capable of understanging genetics etc. Of course there's no *guarantee* that another intelligent life form would arise on Earth if we went extinct, either.

  44. 2,500 billion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My god thats a lot! thats like 2.5 million thousand! Gowrsh, boy we better wake up people, them thar scientist are onto sumthin there!

  45. Uraninite...... by CubicZirconia · · Score: 0

    The name is obviously a contraction of "Uranium" and "Shite", seeing as this is the actual end product?

  46. Radioactive bacteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I welcome our new Radioactive bacteria overlords.

  47. OOHHHNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    * Translation : Godzilla!

  48. Bacteria that converts deadly heavy metal? by cosinezero · · Score: 1

    There's a Tipper Gore joke in here SOMEWHERE...

  49. Cleaning Uranium Waste with Bacteria by CommanderIsm · · Score: 1

    which branch of the CIA came out with this bull? next you will be telling us that windoze is great software and not the easiest to spy upon etc.

  50. Use these bacteria for enrichment.... by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

    See this old post..

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  51. how safe? by jrkangta · · Score: 1

    okay now, suppose those "helpful" bacteria were able to make the nuclear thingies less radio-active, how safe would that be? i don't know the much about the similarities between nuclear bombs and the ones used in nuclear power plants but from what i know radiation emmitted from tools(i forgot what it's called) in the nuclear power plant needed to be submerged in water for 5 whole year for it to be less radio-active. It is also not advisable to plant it underground that's why it is stored in a container.